Guild Wars 2

Leo Paul.1659:

Those issues have been fixed as soon as they came to anet’s attention. There were official statements posted about it. Try harder.

But they weren’t written into the User Agreement, and were done after-the-fact.

/harder

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Leo Paul.1659:

Those issues have been fixed as soon as they came to anet’s attention. There were official statements posted about it. Try harder.

But they weren’t written into the User Agreement, and were done after-the-fact.

/harder

Do you see any official statements regarding this issue anywhere? It’s been a week, and several bug patches have been released already. You yourself have stated that an anet employee denied any bans that occurred pertaining to being afk. So it’s working as intended, whether you like it or not. And if you continue reporting people for being afk then you’re abusing the report button.

Blade Syphon.4325:

TheFool.4589:

Jamin.6528:

TheFool.4589:

Again, who’s to say she didn’t afk during the duration of the event? You don’t know what she truly did or did not do. No one tells the truth when asked. Again, there’s possibly something your friend isn’t telling you. Just saying.
Point again being is they kicked afkers due to them hindering progress towards the events goal. Anyone caught doing so was reported. Enough reports, means gms take actions. Also of coarse devs have powers. That’s like saying retail workers don’t get discounts for working at their store. End of story.

Let me try to be more clear…

Her and I were in the same party. Her and I were in the same server [Lion’s Arch Blackgate]. Her and I were travelling together, farming heirlooms, events, and rescuing citizens where we could. Her and I were talking via voice chat on Skype. She suddenly disconnected. She reconnected, and then disconnected ~2 minutes after joining. She got back in, was kicked off ~2 minutes after logging in because “Someone else had logged into her account”. Now she is banned.

Even if she lied to me about anything, which I don’t think she did, I was there for the whole thing. The only thing she did that would have caused her to stop moving for a while is change her play list on plug.dj, which did NOT take longer than 5 minutes.

My conversation with Qt Spy was less than satisfying as well. If ANet isn’t going to be clear about this, then I can post my entire chat log with him and show everyone what he said to me. First he expressly said that people WERE NOT being banned for AFKing. Then, after more prodding, he said something along the lines of “But really, if she was banned for offensive behavior, then she knows that she was doing something bad”. Meanwhile my friend is still on Skype and in tears because she STILL doesn’t know what she did wrong. All we have to go off of is this one guy, acting like a vigilant, making his own laws. This isn’t DC, he can’t go around being the kitten Batman.

Post it then. And again who’s to say she didn’t do the event without you and went afk for it? You’re gonna take her word for it of coarse, but you don’t really know what she did. That’s all I’m saying. People are good at begging and complaining rather then confessing they did something wrong. It’s human nature. Side note, do you know her in RL? As in person? Or is she a guildy? If you don’t know her in RL then you really don’t know who she is or what she would do.

Dear lord, I’ve heard of people blindly defending Anet’s decisions for anything, but this takes the cake. Hell, this takes the entire kitten ed bakery.

He said he was playing with her The Entire Time, he was with her When She was Disconnected, He was there with her On Skype, talking about the entire thing, during the entire duration of the event.

And yet you still proceed to call him and her both a liar, and that Anet is perfectly alright with banning her. Even after a Anet Employee in this topic has out right said they don’t have the power, or the privileged, to use their GM commands without kitten ed good reason.

There are no words for you. You are literally arguing against the facts as they’re shoved right in your face, because heaven forbid a company you worship for whatever ridiculous reason is revealed to have a few rotten eggs in it that abuse their power.

Don’t worry. As his name says, he’s a fool, and I was a fool for trying to argue with him. He’ll just drag me down to his level of stupidity and then beat me with experience. Instead, I’ll just link my screenshots of Qt Spy camping, as well as my conversation with him.

First round of pictures: http://imgur.com/O4wgqMW,JTgDnrq,IvJ1M4Q,86MZ5vI,pkittenXyL,NHIRhMv,xlJhmJf,4tA8il4,IZ6eOX5,6LlfolH,BbosT4e,XseWl82,1pmuKAL,zGheXlr,vpwFUX1,gZxxOpd,xpswf45,L5XYE1P

The second round of pictures, which includes me talking to my friends and warning them that they’re not allowed to AFK… Even though there are no rules about it:
http://imgur.com/kShbFs9,T7VA97k,AXSmuIC,DFABo70,wdaB537,HO1TsWr,cHaDaep,3vN0uOI

ANet, if you want to save face at all, get your darling Chris Clearly, Qt Spy, or whoever in here and get him to explain his actions. I’ll just keep linking these screenshots, and I would hate to take them to NCSoft. You guys may enjoy your power trip, but you’re still under them, and they still want to make money. It’d be a shame if a big guild like [HC] up and moved to another game… Along with many other people.

Leo Paul.1659:

Do you see any official statements regarding this issue anywhere? It’s been a week, and several bug patches have been released already. You yourself have stated that an anet employee denied any bans that occurred pertaining to being afk. So it’s working as intended, whether you like it or not. And if you continue reporting people for being afk then you’re abusing the report button.

We’re getting side tracked from the real issue. I’ll quote myself on what the real question should be:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

I think they read it. They didn’t agree with you, and that’s their prerogative. You don’t get to be the end all be all of knowledge. That’s for the devs.

Edit: also I agree with Leo, if there is a change in policy, devs need to be transparent about it.

Oh no, I agree. Anet is the final say to any and all things in game. While debating this issue, I pointed out mechanics and provided examples to support my argument. Everything I stated makes more sense than “it’s not written in the User Agreement, so it’s ok to do”.

Keep in mind many players have been perma-banned or had suspensions for abusing unintended mechanics. Cheap Karma weapons, salvaging Exotic jewels, etc. None of that was specifically stated in the rules, yet they all fall under the blanket term of “abuse” or “cheat”.

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/bltc/Example-of-Market-crash-in-GW2
maybe this sheds some light on why Smooth penguin doesnt want people to have this insanely small chance for a rare item, I can understand that he is angry about being cheated by anet about his investement, but the afk people are the wrong people to blame now

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Leo Paul.1659:

Do you see any official statements regarding this issue anywhere? It’s been a week, and several bug patches have been released already. You yourself have stated that an anet employee denied any bans that occurred pertaining to being afk. So it’s working as intended, whether you like it or not. And if you continue reporting people for being afk then you’re abusing the report button.

We’re getting side tracked from the real issue. I’ll quote myself on what the real question should be:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

Anet hasn’t done anything to modify this nor released any statement saying it’s an exploit, so it’s clearly working as intended. Inference please.

kRiza krimos.1637:

You sir, are replacing the thesis.

http://www.upl.co/uploads/ghsj05lp.jpg

kRiza krimos.1637:

If somebody had to go to wc, im sure they would still care about event in game they were doing prior to it.

CETheLucid.3964:

Unless you make it a habit to consistently AFK the majority of a major event that you have to choose to show up to, you don’t need to worry about it if the worst you’ve done is taken an extended bathroom break.

Much ado about nothing.

I have NEVER played a game where rewards are intended to be earned AFK, whether the coding allowed it or not. Take that for what it’s worth. Letter of the law doesn’t always take precedent. If devs are kicking AFKer’s it’s probably because their is a GAP in the code that would normally do this for them.

CETheLucid.3964:

Unless you make it a habit to consistently AFK the majority of a major event that you have to choose to show up to, you don’t need to worry about it if the worst you’ve done is taken an extended bathroom break.

Much ado about nothing.

These are wise words. Unless that bathroom break is 45 minutes. At that point, I would worry more about what you’ve been eating, than any in-game punishments handed down.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

Refer to my screenshots. He did ban people.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

See you’re just being very persistent in saying that Anet didn’t intend this when all the bug fixes they’ve done and the lack of any statement regarding a change in afk policy CLEARLY say otherwise.

Let me dumb it down for ya: It IS working as designed. Blame anet if you don’t like the reward mechanics of the event. The suggestion forums is right there >>> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions

GMs kicking people from events for standing AFK for extended periods of time is fine with me. That is part of their job to look out for the best interest of those that are actively playing. If you ask me we need more GMs during events just to do such things. They would come in handy during activities like Crab Toss and Keg Brawl where people just stand around waiting to get their daily activity credit. I wish they would have been doing this during the early times of Teq when people were AFKing just for achievements.

I still find it funny that there are a few people here that have spent so much effort arguing for the rights for people to stand running into a corner just to get rewards. Basically what I am reading from some people is, “Down with the man! You have no right to kick me!” Yes, yes they do and it seems they are. My guess is some of you don’t even AFK or even spend much time in LA but as soon as you see “Anet Dev kicking AFKers,” you go into rage mode just for the sake of arguing, “Don’t tell me how to play! Down with ANET!”

That’s the last I have to say in regard to this issue, rage on.

Obtena.7952:

I have NEVER played a game where rewards are intended to be earned AFK, whether the coding allowed it or not. Take that for what it’s worth. Letter of the law doesn’t always take precedent. If devs are kicking AFKer’s it’s probably because their is a GAP in the code that would normally do this for them.

I’ve played an MMO that rewards you just logging in for an hour as a daily. Without doing anything.

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

JustTrogdor.7892:

GMs kicking people from events for standing AFK for extended periods of time is fine with me. That is part of their job to look out for the best interest of those that are actively playing. If you ask me we need more GMs during events just to do such things. They would come in handy during activities like Crab Toss and Keg Brawl where people just stand around waiting to get their daily activity credit. I wish they would have been doing this during the early times of Teq when people were AFKing just for achievements.

I still find it funny that there are a few people here that have spent so much effort arguing for the rights for people to stand running into a corner just to get rewards. Basically what I am reading from some people is, “Down with the man! You have no right to kick me!” Yes, yes they do and it seems they are. My guess is some of you don’t even AFK or even spend much time in LA but as soon as you see “Anet Dev kicking AFKers,” you go into rage mode just for the sake of arguing, “Don’t tell me how to play! Down with ANET!”

That’s the last I have to say in regard to this issue, rage on.

Nice rewording there bro, but no. People aren’t fighting for the right to AFK. People are asking ANet to be transparent and to adhere to their own rules. ANet has always taken their time with bans in the past: they gather information, look at chat logs, etc. Here, they are banning people on the spot.

Leo Paul.1659:

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

It’s right here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

11. A. i.

You understand that You have no fundamental right whatsoever to use the Game, and that You understand that NCSOFT may in its sole and absolute discretion terminate Your ability to access or use the Game for any reason or for no reason whatsoever;

You agreed. So if you get kicked for AFK you can’t complain, like it or not.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

It’s right here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

11. A. i.

You understand that You have no fundamental right whatsoever to use the Game, and that You understand that NCSOFT may in its sole and absolute discretion terminate Your ability to access or use the Game for any reason or for no reason whatsoever;

You agreed. So if you get kicked for AFK you can’t complain, like it or not.

If you’re arguing that we’ve agreed to this, then let’s go back to some basics of contract law. A contract needs offer, acceptance, an intention to be legally bound, and consideration to be given. Absent all of those, the contract is not binding. If we own nothing from ANet, then the contract is null and they should terminate every one of our accounts. Would they do that though? No! Because then they’ll lose all their money.

Be practical man.

Jamin.6528:

Refer to my screenshots. He did ban people.

TL;DR
Your friend screwed up and you put on your lawyer persona (I’m a lawyer you know!) to talk about it.

A lot of it is your friends word VS the GM, and I’m certain you have a particular bias there for your lady friend.

You just know she’d tell you if she was PM’d and asked to stop AFKing.

She wouldn’t hide a detail like that from you to make herself out as a victim or be seen as less responsible for the fiasco or anything.

I’m sorry your friend was suspended just the same. If you’re going be AFK a lot (as opposed to generally), doing it in the LA rescue event isn’t a good idea.

http://www.upl.co/uploads/DFABo701.jpg
http://www.upl.co/uploads/wdaB5372.jpg
http://www.upl.co/uploads/HO1TsWr3.jpg
http://www.upl.co/uploads/cHaDaep4.jpg
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JustTrogdor.7892:

Leo Paul.1659:

@JustTrogdor, if they are going to make a sudden change in policy then they better be transparent. And if I think it is reasonable then let me click on that “agree” button on their EULA again. Seems like you’re someone who just accept things thrown at you blindly.

It’s right here:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-user-agreement/

11. A. i.

You understand that You have no fundamental right whatsoever to use the Game, and that You understand that NCSOFT may in its sole and absolute discretion terminate Your ability to access or use the Game for any reason or for no reason whatsoever;

You agreed. So if you get kicked for AFK you can’t complain, like it or not.

LOL and how enforceable is that in court when it’s discovered that the action taken wasn’t in good faith?

Nowhere in their rules of conduct do they specify that AFKing in pve is grounds for suspension.

Leeching is acceptable in other MMO’s. The most common example being power-leveling. :/ GW2 was just able to distinguish itself via their different loot/reward mechanics… Until now.

kRiza krimos.1637:

CETheLucid.3964:

kRiza krimos.1637:

Its system they created. They wanted to make everybody winners, no matter what. They changed their minds suddenly?

No ones begruding anyone a soda or a trip to the bathroom. Try again.

So if I i.e. need 15 mins to unload, and in meantime ANet employee comes and kick me out of LA, making me lose instance I was in and rewards alongside, that is according to you moraly justified?

Yes.

JustTrogdor.7892:

I still find it funny that there are a few people here that have spent so much effort arguing for the rights for people to stand running into a corner just to get rewards. Basically what I am reading from some people is, “Down with the man! You have no right to kick me!” Yes, yes they do and it seems they are. My guess is some of you don’t even AFK or even spend much time in LA but as soon as you see “Anet Dev kicking AFKers,” you go into rage mode just for the sake of arguing, “Don’t tell me how to play! Down with ANET!”

That’s the last I have to say in regard to this issue, rage on.

JT, I actually love to debate these people. That’s why I prefer them to continue to complain. But really, I find part of it as a challenge of trying to get them to come up with good points to defend their positions. A healthy debate is the best kind, because those are the ones Anet listens to. Unfortunately, the main argument is “because Anet didn’t tell me I can’t”. That makes me sad, because then I win debates without effort.

With anything, there needs to be a valid point to an argument. My points are defending Anet, so mostly my argument are correct by default. If there’s something I agree with, and someone else doesn’t, they need to bring something solid to the table. Kinda like how the CDIs are. You state your idea or opinion, and also provide a reasoning for it.

I’m hopeful someone here arguing for AFKer’s rights will step up. Cheap shots and personal attacks do nothing to me, except to solidify the fact that I’m right.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

JustTrogdor.7892:

I still find it funny that there are a few people here that have spent so much effort arguing for the rights for people to stand running into a corner just to get rewards. Basically what I am reading from some people is, “Down with the man! You have no right to kick me!” Yes, yes they do and it seems they are. My guess is some of you don’t even AFK or even spend much time in LA but as soon as you see “Anet Dev kicking AFKers,” you go into rage mode just for the sake of arguing, “Don’t tell me how to play! Down with ANET!”

That’s the last I have to say in regard to this issue, rage on.

JT, I actually love to debate these people. That’s why I prefer them to continue to complain. But really, I find part of it as a challenge of trying to get them to come up with good points to defend their positions. A healthy debate is the best kind, because those are the ones Anet listens to. Unfortunately, the main argument is “because Anet didn’t tell me I can’t”. That makes me sad, because then I win debates without effort.

With anything, there needs to be a valid point to an argument. My points are defending Anet, so mostly my argument are correct by default. If there’s something I agree with, and someone else doesn’t, they need to bring something solid to the table. Kinda like how the CDIs are. You state your idea or opinion, and also provide a reasoning for it.

I’m hopeful someone here arguing for AFKer’s rights will step up. Cheap shots and personal attacks do nothing to me, except to solidify the fact that I’m right.

Nice try. We’re not saying “Anet didn’t tell me I can’t AFK”. We’re saying “Anet told me it’s ok to AFK just not circumvent the auto kick system by using 3pp, but they penalized me nonetheless”.

Based on the chat log in those screenshots, I consider Qt Spy’s behavior to be even more professional than I had expected.

The fact that another friend of yours specifically asked if you were leeching or AFKing is proof enough that you knew what you were doing.

Leo Paul.1659:

We’re saying “Anet told me it’s ok to AFK just not circumvent the auto kick system by using 3pp, but they penalized me nonetheless”.

Can you quote me where you got this from. You know, for reference?

CETheLucid.3964:

Jamin.6528:

Refer to my screenshots. He did ban people.

TL;DR
Your friend screwed up and you put on your lawyer persona (I’m a lawyer you know!) to talk about it.

A lot of it is your friends word VS the GM, and I’m certain you have a particular bias there for your lady friend.

You just know she’d tell you if she was PM’d and asked to stop AFKing.

She wouldn’t hide a detail like that from you to make herself out as a victim or be seen as less responsible for the fiasco or anything.

I’m sorry your friend was suspended just the same. If you’re going be AFK a lot (as opposed to generally), doing it in the LA rescue event isn’t a good idea.

http://www.upl.co/uploads/DFABo701.jpg
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Clearly, you didn’t read my previous posts. I was in the same party as her, in the same server as her, running around with her, and talking on Skype with her. The only two times she went AFK were when she went to the washroom (which took a whole 30 seconds or so) and when she went to switch the music on plug.dj. It’s hard to hide a detail like that when I am there with her THE WHOLE TIME.

The friend you see messaging me in chat is a different friend. She responded after I went into guild chat and said “Make sure you don’t AFK for any period of time in Lion’s Arch, or you risk getting yourself banned”. People were asking me questions about it.

Also, of course I am going to put a legal persona on. I am in the field of law, and this was a suspension we were discussing, similar to that of a prosecution. You can’t prosecute someone and throw them in jail if you don’t even say what they have done wrong. Nor can you go into a civil case and get damages or an injunction against a person without showing a reason for it. So why should an ANet employee be able to ban someone for “offensive behavior”, and then blatantly state that she knew what she did, when she is asking me what she did wrong. I wasn’t even trying to appeal the ban in that conversation [which I’m sure you read]; rather, I was asking if they could be transparent about WHY she was banned.

Get off your high horse buddy.

timmyf.1490:

Based on the chat log in those screenshots, I consider Qt Spy’s behavior to be even more professional than I had expected.

The fact that another friend of yours specifically asked if you were leeching or AFKing is proof enough that you knew what you were doing.

I would ask you to refer back to the screenshots and my above post then. The issue was never with how he responded. He was using structured sentences and responding in a fairly mature tone. The problem is what he is DOING and WHY he is doing it. If ANet wants to ban AFKers, then put an automated system in that can be appealed subject to an ANet employee investigating it. It was Qt Spy and Permapan [The names themselves even raise suspicion] that were running around banning people. Look around you bud, there’s plenty of posts of people who were banned for being AFK.

If ANet really wants to ban AFKers, I am fine with it, so long as they are transparent about it and show their standard and definition for AFKing. At the moment, I don’t know what constitutes AFKing, and neither do you. If I turn away from my desk for a few seconds to get something behind me and then turn around… Can an ANet employee come along and ban me in that ~4 second period for being AFK? Standards need to be outlined, otherwise you are inviting employees to abuse their power.

I don’t care if they were AFK leeching or not. That’s not what bothers me here.

What bothers me is ANet changing the rules, kicking people, and handing out bans for it. In one of these, I ran past everything and got to the Troll’s End JP. I had a couple of missteps, but managed to clear it.

Now, was I at risk for not “helping” in the event and taking up a slot on the map? I wouldn’t have thought so, but now I’m not so sure. I also checked out a couple of vistas, was I in danger for that? From the sounds of things, I can’t even take ANet’s word on it if they say I wasn’t, as some of their people are following their own rules.

One final question here, just for fun. Making that run, I didn’t try to stop and fight. But I did have to use my speed tonic, my shield block, and my heals to keep myself from dying as I made my way through. How did someone with no “special” abilities make it through while under the effects of a quaggan tonic?

I, too, have some legal background, albeit not as much as you guys (I assume). But that’s besides the point. I would like to point out that we’re 1) not allowed to debate decisions, appeal or contest on other player’s suspensions and such
(https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/forum-code-of-conduct/)
and 2) you can’t compare procedures with our legal system with that of Anet’s decisions in-game. Anet does have full rights to do what they feel is best for their game. If someone was suspended incorrectly, or inappropriately, that person can dispute that with Customer Support agents.

Is transparency good? Of course it is. But Anet, as a company, has the rights to do what they want, when they want. They also have the rights to withhold discussions of policies and practices related to policing their rules. Call me a White Knight, but I do support Anet employees for this game. That includes the actions they take on people whose activities may be harming other people’s ability to play. If they make a big mistake, I’m not afraid to say something.

GM Chris has access to tool and logs that we player’s don’t have. Could it be a false positive? Yeah, that’s happened. But with less people (potentially) exploiting a loophole in the LA Rescue rewards mechanics, there’d be less need for GMs to take action.

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Palador.2170:

How did someone with no “special” abilities make it through while under the effects of a quaggan tonic?

I can do the same by activating the tonic at the end of the JP. Do realize quaggans can’t jump.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Palador.2170:

How did someone with no “special” abilities make it through while under the effects of a quaggan tonic?

I can do the same by activating the tonic at the end of the JP. Do realize quaggans can’t jump.

You seem to have misunderstood my question. I was talking about the screenshots that were linked earlier, showing Qt Spy running around LA during the event as a quaggan.

No power to fight back. No powers to block. No heals. Nothing. In the middle of that event. And not dying. How does one do that?

[Edit] When I said “making that run”, I meant the run to the start of the JP, and then to the Vistas.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I, too, have some legal background, albeit not as much as you guys (I assume). But that’s besides the point. I would like to point out that we’re 1) not allowed to debate decisions, appeal or contest on other player’s suspensions and such
(https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/forum-code-of-conduct/)
and 2) you can’t compare procedures with our legal system with that of Anet’s decisions in-game. Anet does have full rights to do what they feel is best for their game. If someone was suspended incorrectly, or inappropriately, that person can dispute that with Customer Support agents.

Is transparency good? Of course it is. But Anet, as a company, has the rights to do what they want, when they want. They also have the rights to withhold discussions of policies and practices related to policing their rules. Call me a White Knight, but I do support Anet employees for this game. That includes the actions they take on people whose activities may be harming other people’s ability to play. If they make a big mistake, I’m not afraid to say something.

GM Chris has access to tool and logs that we player’s don’t have. Could it be a false positive? Yeah, that’s happened. But with less people (potentially) exploiting a loophole in the LA Rescue rewards mechanics, there’d be less need for GMs to take action.

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Palador.2170:

How did someone with no “special” abilities make it through while under the effects of a quaggan tonic?

I can do the same by activating the tonic at the end of the JP. Do realize quaggans can’t jump.

Customer Support Agents have been ignoring tickets filed in relation to this issue.

Also, of course you’re right. ANet as a company has the right to make decisions in relation to their product. It’s certainly not good business practice to do what they are doing here though. They are destroying customer faith in the company. This is coming from a guy who has supported ANet since GW1 first came out. I have supported them, through thick and thin, but I cannot support them supporting their employees as they abuse their powers.

I’d also like to note that since this has been brought up, the ANet devs have been a whole lot less active in Lion’s Arch. I think they know what they did is wrong. If they want to make AFKing an offence, that is fine, but lay it out clearly.

Also, if we’re not allowed to post this discussion here, then we’ll just move it to Reddit or another forum. The discussion will continue though. If ANet decides to come in and shut it down or lock it, that just shows that they have no interest in reassuring their customers that everything will be alright.

Jamin.6528:

Clearly, you didn’t read my previous posts. I was in the same party as her, in the same server as her, running around with her, and talking on Skype with her. The only two times she went AFK were when she went to the washroom (which took a whole 30 seconds or so) and when she went to switch the music on plug.dj. It’s hard to hide a detail like that when I am there with her THE WHOLE TIME.

Sorry. There’s legitimate reason to doubt your claims.

If this all happened in a matter of mere moments, yet your friend was kicked at least three times with a GM telling you it’s 5+ with attempts to communicate.

There’s a disconnect there on your part. If we’re going to be strict on the word, that’s at least 15 mins of AFK bare minimum.

Further, there’s reason to believe it’s not all that cut and dry. Anet are as infamous for their mercy as they are their decisive action.

Again, life happens and as long as you’re not making it a budding hobby to be AFK in the LA event constantly, you have nothing to worry about.

Leech at your own risk. It’s proven they have a lighter and they’re not afraid to use it.
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No high horse here. Just reasonable doubt. I’m sure you understand that.

Jamin.6528:

Clearly, you didn’t read my previous posts.

Jamin.6528:

[which I’m sure you read]

… Have you considered teaching law?

Jamin.6528:

So why should an ANet employee be able to ban someone for “offensive behavior”, and then blatantly state that she knew what she did, when she is asking me what she did wrong.

They say I was AFKing? Oh kitten, I’m in trouble? Deny, deny, deny.
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Vast majority of humanity.

Jamin.6528:

I wasn’t even trying to appeal the ban in that conversation [which I’m sure you read]; rather, I was asking if they could be transparent about WHY she was banned.

You’re basically asking the GM: How long can I ride the edge of the rules to exploit dubious thing before I am actioned against?

You understand they can’t tell you exact specifics like that for a very good reason, right?

Can you prove they weren’t acting in good faith based on the evidence you yourself brought?

Or are we back at the beginning of the circle about how it’s okay to AFK events at the expense of others?

They don’t ignore tickets. They’re just busy. Give them time to review the case. You’d be surprised how many tickets they have to go through with “I deleted my weapon, please give it back”.

I have an unrelated issue that I’m dealing with Gaile on that started last week. They took 3 days to respond, then I took 3 days to reply. Etc etc. I can’t be mad, since I understand that I’m not the only person they have to deal with. But even if your friend gets one of those “our say is final” messages, she can appeal to have her ticket moved up to a senior agent.

CETheLucid.3964:

Sorry. There’s legitimate reason to doubt your claims.

If this all happened in a matter of mere moments, yet your friend was kicked at least three times with a GM telling you it’s 5+ with attempts to communicate.

There’s a disconnect there on your part. If we’re going to be strict on the word, that’s at least 15 mins of AFK bare minimum.

Further, there’s reason to believe it’s not all that cut and dry. Anet are as infamous for their mercy as they are their decisive action.

Again, life happens and as long as you’re not making it a budding hobby to be AFK in the LA event constantly, you have nothing to worry about.

Leech at your own risk. It’s proven they have a lighter and they’re not afraid to use it.
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No high horse here. Just reasonable doubt. I’m sure you understand that.

You do realize that “reasonable doubt” [as I’m sure you’re referencing it in the criminal law context, based on your “I’m sure you understand that” comment] doesn’t apply to the accused’s defence. It is the prosecutions job [aka ANet employee in this analogy] to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that my friend did what he states she did. He has shown no evidence. If anything, he said “this is our procedure” and “she knows what she did wrong”. That’s hardly proof. I invite him to come into this topic, with chat logs and a log of his GM powers, to show that my friend deserved the ban. If he can come in with proof that my friend was banned for the reason he stated [actual proof, not just his word, because his honesty is in question here] then I’ll back down. Otherwise, he’s just another employee abusing his power. I don’t stand down to bullies or tyrants like that; I stand up and show the populace who they really are.

CETheLucid.3964:

… Have you considered teaching law?

Cool response man. Does it have any purpose for this argument, or are you just trying to make some sort of personal attack on me? If it’s the latter, that severely diminishes your argument.

CETheLucid.3964:

They say I was AFKing? Oh kitten, I’m in trouble? Deny, deny, deny.
^
Vast majority of humanity.

I was trying to troubleshoot the problem with her the whole time. When we found out it was due to “offensive behavior”, we thought it meant that someone in PvP reported her or something. Never in our mind did we think that AFKing constituted some sort of offensive behavior. That’s stretching the definition a bit, don’t you think?

CETheLucid.3964:

You’re basically asking the GM: How long can I ride the edge of the rules to exploit dubious thing before I am actioned against?

In a sense, yes, that is what I am asking. Compare this to speed signs for example. If a sign says I can only go 70 km/hr, then that is the limit. If I am pulled over by a cop for going 75 km/hr, I know why I was pulled over. The standard for “offensive behavior” is not clear though. It’s the equivalent of turning the 70 km/hr sign into a sign that says “moderate speed”. What is a moderate speed? Would that be 50 km/hr? What about 30 km/hr? Or even 100 km/hr? There is no certainty! All that I am asking for is some certainty.

If anything, you are the one rewording my concerns. For some reason, you’re engraving some malicious intent into my actions. I don’t know why you’re doing that, or why you have such a high stake in defending this employee’s action. If anything, it seems like you’re just trying to act high and mighty on that horse of yours, as I have already stated.

CETheLucid.3964:

You understand they can’t tell you exact specifics like that for a very good reason, right?

Can you prove they weren’t acting in good faith based on the evidence you yourself brought?

Or are we back at the beginning of the circle about how it’s okay to AFK events at the expense of others?

Since you cited the criminal law example of “reasonable doubt”, I’ll continue the analogy down here. A criminal never has to prove that they are innocent. They are, presumptively, innocent until proven guilty. An accused only has a tactical burden to prove their innocence when the prosecution raises enough evidence to show that the accused did that action [actus reus] and intended to do that action [mens rea], beyond a reasonable doubt.

The ANet employee here has shown no proof. If anything though, I invite Qt Spy/Permapan/Chris Cleary to come and demonstrate why this ban was justified. Show us the chat logs, show us the time stamps, show us the whispers that he made to my friend. I provided some of my proof, even though I don’t have to. They are the “prosecution” in this analogy, and the burden is on them to show that my friend did what she did.

A dev kicking afk people in LA is clearly abusing his/her powers since it gives that server/overflow an unfair advantage compared to other servers/overflows.

I think the problem is that you can AFK for too long in PvE before getting kicked out. That’s more a bad design from Anet than anything else.

There are some places, like in the Sprint activity where you are kicked too quickly – stupid that you must keep moving around after having won a race just because you want daily achievement and thus must wait for slower players.)

I also think that chatting, cafting and using the trade post should count as being active, at the very minimum when you hang out in a city.

And finally, even though I frown upon afk’ers I just want to point out that a ban is far too harsh punishment for being afk. I am a single parent to two wonderful daughters aged 3 and 5. I often try to grab a couple of hours of gameplay when they have fallen asleep. They sometimes wake crying and shouting my name. I do not take the time to get out of a dungeon or log off the game – nor do I believe I will have to be afk for a long time – but if it shows that my 3 years old is sick and has vomit in the bed (yes, it has happened) I WILL spend my time with her leaving my toon afk for a long time.

There is no way you can know why someone is afk. Cutting link is fine but banning is just plain stupid.

And I repeat again. Any dev kicking an AFKer in an is abusing his/her powers – unless it’s beig done in all servers/overflows.

ANY content that polarizes the player base in such a negative fashion is flawed and should be removed. It’s like our Mom’s used to say, “If you can’t play nice, then don’t play at all.”

When I read a Dev kicked a group of people from one specific instance I knew automatically it was not the right thing to do. There has to be advanced warning and policy for it. Also, nothing should be retroactive on the matter. Fore none of us have a crystal ball that could see the future!

What’s interesting is the reversal of selfishness in this discussion. Because the loudest voices against AFK’ers are probably the most selfish. For me, I’m simply going to do what I want to do in LA from now on. I’m not even going to bother encourage players in chat to save civilians. I’m going to keep the chat box minimized because reading all the constant complaints and hostility isn’t healthy.

As I said above, this content should be removed quickly.

Oh… and this should be an /thread. It’s become WAY off the mark now.

Jamin.6528:

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K. Good luck with your arraignment and preliminary support ticket m8.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

JT, I actually love to debate these people. That’s why I prefer them to continue to complain. But really, I find part of it as a challenge of trying to get them to come up with good points to defend their positions. A healthy debate is the best kind, because those are the ones Anet listens to. Unfortunately, the main argument is “because Anet didn’t tell me I can’t”. That makes me sad, because then I win debates without effort.

With anything, there needs to be a valid point to an argument. My points are defending Anet, so mostly my argument are correct by default. If there’s something I agree with, and someone else doesn’t, they need to bring something solid to the table. Kinda like how the CDIs are. You state your idea or opinion, and also provide a reasoning for it.

I’m hopeful someone here arguing for AFKer’s rights will step up. Cheap shots and personal attacks do nothing to me, except to solidify the fact that I’m right.

You are the one narrowly twisting it to AFK rights. You are narrowly focused on a single aspect of the zone, and a single task.. saving civilians. So much so that you see a need to punish anyone and everyone who is not actively on that task, AFK or not.

You claimed earlier that you could get me a 72 hour suspension just from being immobile… and at the keys. And you would try, because being AFK isn’t your issue, your issue is forcing people to participate in a single aspect of an open zone.

There are many reasons to be immobile and appearing to not be participating for several minutes. But.. you don’t care. I have severe arthritus in my hands. I do things for 20-30 mins and rest my hands for 5-10. You are telling me to forfeit that zone, totally because I might have to stand till for a while.

I’m sorry. Participation is better forced by impartial mechanics. Kill x scarlet’s minions, talk to x civilians, whatever. As long as people met those conditions reward would be given. Simple.. and how it should have been implemented. Instead, all Anet requires for reward, for this task.. is to be there. Nothing more. You can argue “as intended” till blue in the face.. but that is the fact. So, instead of a simple game check you have people reporting, raging, and coercing Devs to boot people instead of an actual solution. More community building I guess.

I am not arguing some idiotic notion such as AFK rights. I am arguing that capricious suspensions of people based on spot assumptions is not the solution to the participation/rewards issue. Impartial game mechanics are the answer. Mechanics that could.. and should have been implemented. The last thing this game needs is one segment of the population (and a dev or two, apparently) gleefully “punishing” people over an oversight in how an event was implemented.

Arguing “as intended”, unless you were in on the developer decisions, is fail by the player base.. unless “as intended” is defined by information by the Developer.. or by game mechanics. It is up to the Developer to insure “as intended” by mechanics and design, not by knee jerk reaction suspensions while leaving the event unchanged.

And on a tangent.. I suppose it could be safely said that this game “as intended” would not have private instanced world events. So.. it could be argued that TTS, by manipulating overflows, Taxi, etc and essentially “creating” a private instance is not playing “as intended” either. See how player speculation works, Exploiter? (sarcasm)

And I know you will read this and see nothing but “blah blah AFK rights” So whatever.

Further, you are never “right by default”. Agreeing with what you “perceive” as Anet’s positions is not, ever… the same as Anet’s position until it has been stated by a Red Name.. on these forums.

Pardon, I’m not buying the guy in the Quaggan tonic, on his day off, playing sheriff on Blackgate as any sort of “Official” stance until his actions are justified in public.. on these forums. I don’t care what his Title is TBH. Unprofessional harrassment for any cause is poor judgement. He made it a show… and made sure everyone in the zone knew what he was doing, and who was targeted. He made his suspensions public and ridiculed the targets while doing so. So much for keeping things private? You know.. the part where we are not notified of action on reports? Every MMO I have ever played has an “Invisible” GM mode.. why was that not used?

But carry on. Vendettas are fun I guess.

And in closing I would also point out that up to this.. I’ve never found Anet moderators, CS, GMs or any employees to be less than Impartial and Professional, not in GW, not here. Gaile is one of the finest CS people I’ve ever seen. This is not a general “I hates Anet” perspective.

Leo Paul.1659:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

See you’re just being very persistent in saying that Anet didn’t intend this when all the bug fixes they’ve done and the lack of any statement regarding a change in afk policy CLEARLY say otherwise.

Let me dumb it down for ya: It IS working as designed. Blame anet if you don’t like the reward mechanics of the event. The suggestion forums is right there >>> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions

As designed yes but NOT AS INTENDED and the suggestions forum is no more. I will report AFKers that I find that are mindlessly sticky-keyed running against a wall or cave or mountaintop, plain stupid.

Good job QT Spy.

Im Mudbone.1437:

Leo Paul.1659:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

In those cases, Anet disabled the content, investigated, punished the “Worst” abusers and made the information known to all.

They have yet to address anything on the LA “issue”, and did in fact implement the event with no participation required. They haven’t changed that. They haven’t announced anything re AFK in LA. They have not responded to it in any official manner out of game. They have not given a rules framework.. ie.. 5 mins inactive, 10, 15, nothing. No rules to go by. As it stands now, you could participate 30 mins, take a short break… and be suspended upon the whim of whoever sees you standing still with no real investigation done.

What has happened is one.. perhaps 2 Anet employees have taken it upon themselves to “police” the event by handing out suspensions for macro use or offensive behavior, apparently on their own time and on the spot snap decisions.

But you hit on the crux of the matter for you I think. A remote chance at an item worth “hundreds of gold”. It isn’t about citizen rescues at all… is it. It’s about your bag farming, and resentment that somewhere, someone may get the item you wanted..by not playing YOUR way. That thought makes me warm and fuzzy, actually.

As far as whether Anet “intended” it… they coded it. No participation needed. A person doing a JP will get it. A person taking screenshots, exploring, doing Vistas will get it. A zerg farming champs will get it. A person only doing other activities will get it. You do not have to rescue to get rescue rewards. Seems fairly clear.. and if not “intended”, then, fixable by other means than capricious suspensions.

But you seem fine with capricious, summary, inconsistant suspensions.. because you have preordained that anyone who gets one.. is “offensive” and deserves it, no matter the circumstances. GG.

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing. Once you get away from defending the AFKers, and ask yourself that primary question, you’ll find it much harder to defend your position. Just because it’s “coded” that way, doesn’t mean it was “intended” that way. Same as saying “Anet didn’t specifically say it’s not ok, so it must be ok.” That, my friend, is a fallacy.

Now back to the GM. It’s been said that he didn’t suspend anyone for AFKing. That’s fine. Getting kicked isn’t much of a punishment, save for not being able to get rewards. If someone was suspended by mistake, Customer Support will fix it.

See you’re just being very persistent in saying that Anet didn’t intend this when all the bug fixes they’ve done and the lack of any statement regarding a change in afk policy CLEARLY say otherwise.

Let me dumb it down for ya: It IS working as designed. Blame anet if you don’t like the reward mechanics of the event. The suggestion forums is right there >>> https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions

As designed yes but NOT AS INTENDED and the suggestions forum is no more. I will report AFKers that I find that are mindlessly sticky-keyed running against a wall or cave or mountaintop, plain stupid.

Sure, but make sure you are reporting people who are are in fact taking measures to bypass the automated kick system. Otherwise, you’re abusing that report button.

CETheLucid.3964:

Jamin.6528:

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K. Good luck with your arraignment and preliminary support ticket m8.

Don’t worry man I will! Thanks for all your concern O u O

In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/ I don’t get mad that people who aren’t exerting effort as much as I do have as good a chance in getting loots because I’m aware that how they spend time in game with their characters is none of my business (unless they’re doing something that is without a doubt illegal) and because that’s how it was designed/intended.

Leo Paul.1659:

In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/

Being powerlevelled in a group for that purpose is different to porting into the LA event and standing at the portal for the duration. Its one thing to get your mates to help you level to max in a few hours, and another to do nothing and hope to reap the Ultimate reward. The difference isn’t very big but it’s there.

zenleto.6179:

Leo Paul.1659:

In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/

Being powerlevelled in a group for that purpose is different to porting into the LA event and standing at the portal for the duration. Its one thing to get your mates to help you level to max in a few hours, and another to do nothing and hope to reap the Ultimate reward. The difference isn’t very big but it’s there.

I’ve mentioned previously that I played an MMO where the daily is to just log in the game for an hour straight. Everyone gets a chance of getting something for doing nothing.

Leo Paul.1659:

zenleto.6179:

Leo Paul.1659:

In retrospect, maybe this outrage against afkers is indeed a cultural thing as timmyf pointed out.. I grew up playing MMOs where leeching is not only tolerated, but is actually the norm. Where people sit in dungeons while partied with higher level characters to get a chance at looting that rare card or where powerleveling is the best and even most advised method to gain exp etc. :/

Being powerlevelled in a group for that purpose is different to porting into the LA event and standing at the portal for the duration. Its one thing to get your mates to help you level to max in a few hours, and another to do nothing and hope to reap the Ultimate reward. The difference isn’t very big but it’s there.

I’ve mentioned previously that I played an MMO where the daily is to just log in the game for an hour straight. Everyone gets a chance of getting something for doing nothing.

That’s fine, I don’t really care. I really dislike uninvited leechers. I don’t like dole bludgers either.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

You missed the part where I said to debate whether or not Anet intended for people to be rewarded for doing nothing.

100% (or close to it) of all events in the game can or will reward people who do not participate. People who are AFK. People who do nothing.

This has been the case since beta.

This is not an unknown or obscure bug. New events added to the game include this, “feature.”

Pretty solid evidence, in my opinion, that this is intended.

First off all,

Calling out Arenanet employees is against forum policy. So I do hope that everyone who considers that to be ok is going to enjoy their infractment. Please respect the forum rules as well as the game rules.

In the user agreement, all of you agreed with, you see that Arenanet and NCsoft have the full right to interupt service. This includes ‘kicking’ people. So stating it is a mus-use of powers is simply wrong!

The issue here is a moral issue and the arenanet employees acting on behalf of arenanet are in their full rights to do so.

1: The right to go AFK. Yes you have that right, but Arenanet has the right to kick you after a certain amount of in-activity. There is no need to give any reason. Demanding that it only is done by an automated system is actually ridicilious.

2: you actually do not have the right to cause distress. Many people here have stated they are offended by people going afk in LA and misusing this system to gai nunfair advantage. So this is causing distress.

So all in all, Arenanet has all the right to kick people. They have all the reason to do so and I’m very glad they are doing that!

The only reason that people here are getting upset is NOT that they where kicked for a simple toilet visit, but that they got kicked and missed the reward they did not own cause they went AFK.

If you want or need to go afk, do so, but if you get kicked for whatever reason, you miss the reward, but the moment you leave your keyboard you don’t have moral rights for that reward any longer.

This is not ment unrespectfull. We all happen to go AFK.

Don’t be upset you didn’t get a reward you didn’t deserve.
I use the 15 minute break (between LA-cycles) to go to the toilet, grab drinks and food and making sure I can play for another 45 minutes. If it happens that I need to go AFK and get kicked, well so be it.

/puts on law hat

After further review of the evidence and testimony of chat logs from both parties, I find the GM acted in good faith in protecting the game play of people wanting to do the LA event. Logs state that players are NOT suspended for AFKing, but rather after repeated offenses. Being kicked no less than three times, and returning to the zone each time to continue AFKing to gather rewards resulted in a 72 hour suspension.

Case closed. If you don’t like the punishment, please feel free to submit a Support Ticket.

Edit – I’m surprised that Danicia hasn’t closed this thread yet.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

So ask yourselves this: “If I can get a reward worth hundreds of Gold for standing around for 45 minutes, is that what Anet intended for the event?” Debate that topic, rather than trying to counter me.

Yes I can. And yes that is what they intended. If it wassn’t their intention then why is it possible? Its not a small oversight. If it was an oversight, well, there was 3 patches since this release they could have fixed that.

Wait, it same system like in rest of game you say? Then it surely is intended or it would be changed durring year and half of games existence.

Besides, having dev friends makes you biased and your arguments have no credibility. But you must feel really important in gw2 universe, good for you…