Guild Wars 2

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Some people are newer and overwhelmed with things to do, some people are completely done.

If you are of the latter, realize that the game is not solely tailored around entertaining you, and take a break until the content you want is released.

There’s no sub fee. you can take a vacation and jump right in later.

Content is not an easy thing to make, especially when the process is obfuscated by the red tape of a business. Let them do their thing. The game as it stands right now is worth well over the 40~ bucks they ask for it, let alone the sale prices.

Or go make your own content. Learn an instrument and start a band guild. Aim to be the silliest commander in the world, we need more of those. build a QOL app so you can be ready when overwolf opens another app challenge. Farm gold and upset the market by buying up all the cheap onions. There’s a whole lot of non-linear stuff you can do while waiting for more space to do the same-old.

WvW needs more players on a lot of servers. I get that some people just don’t enjoy this game mode but it is never the same thing and you never know what to expect.. Might run into zergs beating down on doors or find small roaming groups. Might even have epic battles to overtake the castle in EBG.

Since no new living world content has been released this is the perfect time for you to try other game modes. I’ll admit when I first tried WvW I had no clue what I was doing. Probably died a million times and actually went back to PVE for months before stepping into WvW again.

I found the love for it though and that is where 99% of my play time is spent now. So all I’d suggest, even if you tried it and hated it, try WvW again LOL you may find it different this time around and like I said lots of servers would love to have more players in WVW.

briggah.7910:

WvW needs more players on a lot of servers. I get that some people just don’t enjoy this game mode but it is never the same thing and you never know what to expect.. Might run into zergs beating down on doors or find small roaming groups. Might even have epic battles to overtake the castle in EBG.

Since no new living world content has been released this is the perfect time for you to try other game modes. I’ll admit when I first tried WvW I had no clue what I was doing. Probably died a million times and actually went back to PVE for months before stepping into WvW again.

I found the love for it though and that is where 99% of my play time is spent now. So all I’d suggest, even if you tried it and hated it, try WvW again LOL you may find it different this time around and like I said lots of servers would love to have more players in WVW.

+1.

If we could have more WVW players and Commanders that don’t equate wipes to failing an audit or something substantial like that, then we might have something to keep lots of people occupied.

GW2 playerbase=impatient

Svarty.8019:

sirsquishy.8531:

Behellagh.1468:

Perfect time to reopen the SAB.

Oh this!
SAB would be a perfect Filler.

I profoundly dislike the SAB, but even I think this is a perfect opportunity to get the repeatable content back while we wait for something new.

Plus it’s content already made. If the staff is wholly committed to HoT, there isn’t the staff who can knock out something for the interim. So that means recycled content, none of the holiday events are appropriate and the Zephyrites have been blown out of the sky. That doesn’t leave a lot. SAB seemed logical.

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

Malediktus.3740:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

You can be realistic without being “proud to get nothing”.

If you lined up 50 MMORPGs and looked at how many of them actually go months without updates, you’d probably be surprised. This is particularly true before expansions are released.

I don’t know why people think this is so unusual.

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

You can be realistic without being “proud to get nothing”.

If you lined up 50 MMORPGs and looked at how many of them actually go months without updates, you’d probably be surprised. This is particularly true before expansions are released.

I don’t know why people think this is so unusual.

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

Malediktus.3740:

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

You can be realistic without being “proud to get nothing”.

If you lined up 50 MMORPGs and looked at how many of them actually go months without updates, you’d probably be surprised. This is particularly true before expansions are released.

I don’t know why people think this is so unusual.

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

Anet announced the living world during the 1st Season of the Living World, which they had to abandon. Anet didn’t start with the idea of an expansion. There was a LOT of pressure from fans to make an expansion.

Anyone who thinks there’ll be an expansion and 2 week updates is fooling themselves.

Unless you think there wasn’t tremendous pressure on Anet to shift their emphasis to an expansion? Because you know, I saw a whole lot of people demanding an expansion.

Just look what Final Fantasy is doing. Regular updates + a much larger expansion than GW2 will be getting.

Malediktus.3740:

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

That does of course also include Guild Wars 2.
Never in any way or form they did ever claim that there would always be releases every other week forever. In fact, they have only ever claimed said thing during the times when said thing actually happened.

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

You can be realistic without being “proud to get nothing”.

If you lined up 50 MMORPGs and looked at how many of them actually go months without updates, you’d probably be surprised. This is particularly true before expansions are released.

I don’t know why people think this is so unusual.

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

Anet announced the living world during the 1st Season of the Living World, which they had to abandon. Anet didn’t start with the idea of an expansion. There was a LOT of pressure from fans to make an expansion.

Anyone who thinks there’ll be an expansion and 2 week updates is fooling themselves.

Unless you think there wasn’t tremendous pressure on Anet to shift their emphasis to an expansion? Because you know, I saw a whole lot of people demanding an expansion.

Just keep drinking that cool aid. The fact remains, the game has not had a substantial CONTENT update since Jan 13th. It is June 9th, that is 6 months with no static content update (Not bug fixes, game play changes/balancing, or otherwise). With the Expansion on the horizon (I say 6-7 months~) The game might be in its current state until the expansion. I just can’t believe you guys are all OK with that.

To me, this is a bait and switch on Anet’s part.

‘hey guys! Buy GW2, there will be no sub we will NEVER throw an expansion at you! Instead!!!! we are going to make a ’living world’ that changes about every 2 weeks, with Content Cycling out every 4 weeks. Yes that means if you don’t log in in a 4-6 week period you will/might miss the last content cycle, BUT!!! That means you still get a nice and fresh gaming experience EVEN!! if you cant log in but every 6 weeks!!!’

yes the above statement is how the game was DELIVERED, that is what I paid for and supported. The expansion was a value add with a promise to drop in MORE content at one go. But they basically gave up on the rest of the game in the process.

And here we are, like every other MMO…no content updates for MONTHS, and expansion(paid content) delivery.

Only difference? No Sub.

sirsquishy.8531:

Behellagh.1468:

Perfect time to reopen the SAB.

Oh this!
SAB would be a perfect Filler.

And has been discussed to death, so much so that if ANet was planning on reopening it they probably would have already.

Draknar.5748:

1000+ days in any MMO will result in the same problem. Unless you are suggesting there is an MMO out there that comes out with content so frequently that even someone that plays 10hrs/day will never have to wait for an xpac/update for more content.

The nature of the themepark MMO is that the content production is time expensive, at the very least the production time is far larger than the consumption time.
It’s why some up coming MMOs are playing around with sandbox elements to try and expand the playtime a bit.

Fernling.1729:

An expansion is just around the corner…. what more could you ask for?

The living story really spoiled some people.

So now we want both expansions and Living Story XD

sirsquishy.8531:

And you all think the game isn’t stagnant?

Why do I keep thinking mechanically stagnant and not content stagnant? You know like when water is stagnant it goes bad. Probably because I call it a content drought. I don’t know, it’s technically right though.

sirsquishy.8531:

Drinking the cool aid much?

Actually if you drank the cool aid (although it was most likely flavour aid) I don’t think life’s little problem would bother you all that much anymore :P

serenke.4806:

sirsquishy.8531:

to freeze content development in favor of an expansion

is what most expansion-based games do. What did you expect?

This is a common thing in WoW though, not sure about other MMOs.

sirsquishy.8531:

Except that GW2 is NOT an expansion based game. Its SUPPOSED to be a bi-monthly release based game (per countless PR releases via Anet in countless interviews). If they are changing the model, it would be nice to know.

But when they announced the expansion they basically said that it was what players were asking for. So yes it seems they’ve changed their model.

KyreneZA.8617:

WTH is a “Stagnent”?

Most likely it was meant to be Stagnant

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

Well that’s a given. Who wouldn’t love it if ANet dropped the expansion tomorrow?

Malediktus.3740:

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

And when last did Anet claim that?

sirsquishy.8531:

To me, this is a bait and switch on Anet’s part.

I know you have clairvoyant powers, but the rest of us live in a world where the future is unknown, where things we say today might not be true tomorrow, a world with millions of unknown interacting with each other to produce some predictable and many unpredictable outcomes.
So you know, understanding for us poor morals might be in order.

Log in at reset
Farm home instance
Do the three easiest achievement for the points
Log out to play something else

If they want my money they sure do have a strange way of keeping me online.

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

Let me fix that for you.

MMO playerbase=impatient

Forever the case…

Dondarrion.2748:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

Let me fix that for you.

MMO playerbase=impatient

Forever the case…

Sad but true.

sirsquishy.8531:

Obtena.7952:

sirsquishy.8531:

Let’s break it down, shall we?

Their is no need; I’m sure Anet is very conscious of their content release schedule and there isn’t anything compelling about reminding them of release dates for things. As a matter of fact …

… you have to recognize that the business model of the game is actually centered around players like you come and go on your own timetable; that’s why this game works for people. There isn’t much content you can ‘miss’ and if you do, there is still access to it. There is no reason for Anet to ensure a constant stream of new content because the business model isn’t critical to people playing the game with a constant frequency. Working as designed and intended.

Game is not stagnant just because you feel you’ve accomplished everything you want to do.

So…in short you are fine with 4-5 months of no new static content, with a possibility of 5-6 more months with no new static content before the expansion is released?

Drinking the cool aid much?

You’re generalization of my post is laughable and shows a genuine unwillingness to listen and learn. I transcend sensational, nonsense statements like the one you present because they aren’t relevant. I recognize how this game is structured and why it works as a result of the frequency and volume of the content that is released; THAT is relevant. Your thread demonstrates a lack of understanding of what makes this game sustainable as well as the market it appeals to.

Malediktus.3740:

Just look what Final Fantasy is doing. Regular updates + a much larger expansion than GW2 will be getting.

FF also didn’t do it right from the start. It took a shutdown for a rework to get them into a good place. That said, it’s also subscription-based with that funding going into a much larger studio. Revenue doesn’t fix everything, but it certainly helps, and this game can’t fund that level of development.

Even with that in mind. The content roll out has been poor. Living Story S2 is all the worse for not offering dynamic content that groups can hop into. There should be instanced fights, but there should also be a continuation of open world play, and Dry Top/Silver Wastes are not enough to sustain that.

sirsquishy.8531:

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Vayne.8563:

Malediktus.3740:

Julie Yann.5379:

GW2 playerbase=impatient

GW2 playerbase = proud to get nothing

You can be realistic without being “proud to get nothing”.

If you lined up 50 MMORPGs and looked at how many of them actually go months without updates, you’d probably be surprised. This is particularly true before expansions are released.

I don’t know why people think this is so unusual.

None of them claimed to have a living world with biweekly updates.

Anet announced the living world during the 1st Season of the Living World, which they had to abandon. Anet didn’t start with the idea of an expansion. There was a LOT of pressure from fans to make an expansion.

Anyone who thinks there’ll be an expansion and 2 week updates is fooling themselves.

Unless you think there wasn’t tremendous pressure on Anet to shift their emphasis to an expansion? Because you know, I saw a whole lot of people demanding an expansion.

Just keep drinking that cool aid. The fact remains, the game has not had a substantial CONTENT update since Jan 13th. It is June 9th, that is 6 months with no static content update (Not bug fixes, game play changes/balancing, or otherwise). With the Expansion on the horizon (I say 6-7 months~) The game might be in its current state until the expansion. I just can’t believe you guys are all OK with that.

To me, this is a bait and switch on Anet’s part.

‘hey guys! Buy GW2, there will be no sub we will NEVER throw an expansion at you! Instead!!!! we are going to make a ’living world’ that changes about every 2 weeks, with Content Cycling out every 4 weeks. Yes that means if you don’t log in in a 4-6 week period you will/might miss the last content cycle, BUT!!! That means you still get a nice and fresh gaming experience EVEN!! if you cant log in but every 6 weeks!!!’

yes the above statement is how the game was DELIVERED, that is what I paid for and supported. The expansion was a value add with a promise to drop in MORE content at one go. But they basically gave up on the rest of the game in the process.

And here we are, like every other MMO…no content updates for MONTHS, and expansion(paid content) delivery.

Only difference? No Sub.

Again if you want to ignore people screaming on the forums for a sub for months on end, go ahead. Anet also said they’re a company that iterates. There was enough noise by enough people to warrant the change. If you don’t like that change, that’s perfectly fine.

When I ran a store, I said I’d never do certain things that I ended up doing when enough peopled asked for it. At the time, I absolutely meant that I’d never do them. I don’t really see the big deal.

The only big deal is that you took one line from one place, and decided that was the entire future, when everyone with any experience in MMOs knows that things in MMOs change all the time. You deal with it or you move on.

There are plenty of people who still wanted an expansion and Anet catered to them. This time those who didn’t want one lost. But you can’t blame a company for switching gears to cater to the desires of the player base.

Prototypemind.4026:

Malediktus.3740:

Just look what Final Fantasy is doing. Regular updates + a much larger expansion than GW2 will be getting.

FF also didn’t do it right from the start. It took a shutdown for a rework to get them into a good place. That said, it’s also subscription-based with that funding going into a much larger studio. Revenue doesn’t fix everything, but it certainly helps, and this game can’t fund that level of development.

Even with that in mind. The content roll out has been poor. Living Story S2 is all the worse for not offering dynamic content that groups can hop into. There should be instanced fights, but there should also be a continuation of open world play, and Dry Top/Silver Wastes are not enough to sustain that.

I know FF relaunched their game. But the relaunch was worth it with a lot of additional stuff and less bugs. Do you have any numbers on the staff size and revenue FF makes? I doubt its much better than GW2. The problem is Anet is maximizing their profits instead of player fun. I dont mind if they make profits at all, but it seems like they reinvest too little of their revenue into their game.

I think we have long past the point of being able to influence ANet on that regard. Maybe they will listen to you for the next expansion after HoT or the expansion after that.
But there is no way in hell they will redo their main game, no matter how mandatory it will seem. So be careful with what changes you are suggestiong and don’t hold your breath. Just assume that during the past two years someone suggested the exact same thing and got ignored.

Malediktus.3740:

Prototypemind.4026:

Malediktus.3740:

Just look what Final Fantasy is doing. Regular updates + a much larger expansion than GW2 will be getting.

FF also didn’t do it right from the start. It took a shutdown for a rework to get them into a good place. That said, it’s also subscription-based with that funding going into a much larger studio. Revenue doesn’t fix everything, but it certainly helps, and this game can’t fund that level of development.

Even with that in mind. The content roll out has been poor. Living Story S2 is all the worse for not offering dynamic content that groups can hop into. There should be instanced fights, but there should also be a continuation of open world play, and Dry Top/Silver Wastes are not enough to sustain that.

I know FF relaunched their game. But the relaunch was worth it with a lot of additional stuff and less bugs. Do you have any numbers on the staff size and revenue FF makes? I doubt its much better than GW2. The problem is Anet is maximizing their profits instead of player fun. I dont mind if they make profits at all, but it seems like they reinvest too little of their revenue into their game.

I’m sorry but this is based on what, besides your thought process. Anet is paying over 300 employees. They have all sorts of expenses. There is no subscription. And the game tries new things all the time, which means some things they do don’t end up working out.

It’s much easier to just stay with the tried and true trinity and make that game, but I don’t necessarily believe that’s better for the industry, or the player base.

There’s a price you pay for playing something new and different…experimental in some ways. I’m willing to pay that price. Not everyone will be.

haven’t played a game that doesn’t get a bit stale after 6-8 months…..MMOs included. its normal….go play something else and check back in a few months when the expansion comes out. there is no sub

Relshdan.6854:

haven’t played a game that doesn’t get a bit stale after 6-8 months…..MMOs included. its normal….go play something else and check back in a few months when the expansion comes out. there is no sub

The pace of content release for GW2 is glacially slow, even, oddly enough, compared to GW1. Not to mention that content is routinely removed from repeatable festivals and content that could be used as a filler instead vanishes (SAB).

WvW has tournaments that are basically automated and we haven’t had one of those either. Lots of stuff on the gemstore though – heck of a lot of it.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Log in at reset
Farm home instance
Do the three easiest achievement for the points
Log out to play something else

If they want my money they sure do have a strange way of keeping me online.

You sound like me three months ago. Now I don’t even bother with step one any more. Not sure if it was because the game was “stagnent,” or the hundreds of other reasons. Despite the game’s many, MANY flaws, at least it doesn’t suck my wallet/time dry if I don’t let it.