Guild Wars 2

Quit putting your interpretation of my post into my post. I never mentioned any of that stuff. The things I did mention did not have to be abandoned in favour of copying how other mmorpgs do things. I can only guess why people rebrand old things in favour of coming up with, or carrying over, new things.

First of all GW 1 was more of a MOBA not MMO so comparing GW 1 to GW 2 is like comparing NFS to GTA.

Secondly show me a game which doesn’t mimic or isn’t similar to any other genre of game out on the market.

Thirdly – all those who call games like GW1 MMO’s should git gud.

You must have been as good of a Gw1 player as you are a gw2!!!

Vayne.8563:

Or the way that the creatures in Guild Wars 2 walked in packs that were comprised of different professions, including healers. Again, easy to do, you know there are going to be 8 people even if some of them are AI. But not so easy to do in an MMO where the person who’s coming upon them might be alone and might not be up to that kind of challenge.

Gw1 DID have mixed profession roaming packs, you’d know the pleasure of running around the map looking for that last pack for an hour while vanqing. They also used popup adds as a workaround for server limitations.

Gw2 scaling adjustments LOL!!! You mean how they tuned down difficulty so that the average player that hasn’t quite learned how to dodge yet can survive anything? I guess be thankful 49 other players are with you to facetank damage to evenually win….. oh wait the new thing is to just afk farm the challanging bits. GGWP

Vayne.8563:

Gw2 will shutdown before gw1. The cost of keeping gw1 is a fraction of what it cost to keep gw2 up.[/quote]

They’ll shut down at the same time, since Guild Wars 1 is only run on Guild Wars 2 servers and has been in maintenance most for years.

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You do realize that Anet is a subsidiary of ncsoft right? and that they have other released games…..shutting down gw2 won’t necessary equal shutting down gw1 if the cost is minimal and still produces a slight income.

I’m just happy to have lived during the era of Guild Wars.

echo.2053:

You must have been as good of a Gw1 player as you are a gw2!!!

Vayne.8563:

Or the way that the creatures in Guild Wars 2 walked in packs that were comprised of different professions, including healers. Again, easy to do, you know there are going to be 8 people even if some of them are AI. But not so easy to do in an MMO where the person who’s coming upon them might be alone and might not be up to that kind of challenge.

Gw1 DID have mixed profession roaming packs, you’d know the pleasure of running around the map looking for that last pack for an hour while vanqing. They also used popup adds as a workaround for server limitations.

Gw2 scaling adjustments LOL!!! You mean how they tuned down difficulty so that the average player that hasn’t quite learned how to dodge yet can survive anything? I guess be thankful 49 other players are with you to facetank damage to evenually win….. oh wait the new thing is to just afk farm the challanging bits. GGWP

Vayne.8563:

Gw2 will shutdown before gw1. The cost of keeping gw1 is a fraction of what it cost to keep gw2 up.

They’ll shut down at the same time, since Guild Wars 1 is only run on Guild Wars 2 servers and has been in maintenance most for years.

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You do realize that Anet is a subsidiary of ncsoft right? and that they have other released games…..shutting down gw2 won’t necessary equal shutting down gw1 if the cost is minimal and still produces a slight income.[/quote]

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

Some people’s hobby is pronouncing GW1 dead, and will jump on any thread re GW1 to enthusiastically beat it just in case.

Some are Clairvoyant and also know exactly what management is actually thinking at any given moment.

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

GW1 was more ‘fun’ for me than GW2 has been overall. Take it for what its worth, but most of the things that drag GW2 down usually revolve around the mediocre story telling (not that GW1 was great).

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

I think you are missing the point. If they are indeed running GW1 on GW2 servers, then by default GW1 will close down when GW2 does. It doesn’t have to have anything to do with which one is the ‘better’ game.

To the people making such visceral statements in this thread, you are missing the entire point of this conversation. Nobody is debating here that GW1 was a great game, that much is a fact. Nobody is debating here that GW2 is a great game, also fact. The conversation here is about the fact that all the core things that made GW1 great and different were scrapped for GW2. Again both games are great, both games have their short-comings, but the successor adopted NOTHING from the predecessor other than name and lore.

I’ll state this again for people who will say that what I’m saying is Gw2 sux or that I’m blinded by nostalgia. I KNOW Gw1 is outdated and I KNOW Gw2 (for what it is) is for the most part a superb game. They delivered on a much larger percentage of their promises than other games of the genre do. But a large portion of their player base were GW1 vets who pre-ordered the moment they could BECAUSE GW1 resonated so strongly with them. And we simply cannot ignore the fact that every single core mechanic that made GW1 great and unique was scrapped for Gw2. Class combination? Gone. Full campaign expansions? Gone. Guild capes? Gone. Massive database of weapon, class, utility and elite skills to choose from? Gone. Dyeable weapons? Gone. Guild halls? Took them 3 years and a mediocre expansion release but it’s finally here thankfully. For all these reasons I cannot personally consider GW2 to be a successor to Gw1. Still a great game, but again, all it maintains from Gw1, is title and lore.

GW1 is not an MMO, it is more like a Diablo game than it was a WoW game and I am glad that GW2 is not a successor and ArenaNet have truly made an MMO.

I still login to GW1 just to reminisce on the variety of skills, but looking at the 8 slot skill bar makes it really hard to appreciate combat. It requires that one of my Hero is a dedicated healer because I don’t have enough skill slot to bring one. My most hated part of GW1 is that there’s no jumping, dodging, and no respect to z-axis — I can trap someone 3 story high from a basement level.

I like the direction where Mike is taking the game, focus on polish before expanding. Good luck to the OP.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

GW1 is not an MMO, it is more like a Diablo game than it was a WoW game and I am glad that GW2 is not a successor and ArenaNet have truly made an MMO.

I still login to GW1 just to reminisce on the variety of skills, but looking at the 8 slot skill bar makes it really hard to appreciate combat. It requires that one of my Hero is a dedicated healer because I don’t have enough skill slot to bring one. My most hated part of GW1 is that there’s no jumping, dodging, and no respect to z-axis — I can trap someone 3 story high from a basement level.

I like the direction where Mike is taking the game, focus on polish before expanding. Good luck to the OP.

again, you’re missing the point. The things you are listing were not the things that made GW1 great. the conversation here isn’t that EVERYTHING about Gw1 should have been in Gw2. But the best parts definitely should have. All the things you listed have absolutely no baring on the subject here as they are part of the short-comings gw1 had.

Moonyeti.3296:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

I think you are missing the point. If they are indeed running GW1 on GW2 servers, then by default GW1 will close down when GW2 does. It doesn’t have to have anything to do with which one is the ‘better’ game.

Ummm nope the point wasn’t missed by me. I guess I could rephrase it for you. I have only seen the article that stated gw1 uses a fraction of the hardware need for gw2 servers, iv’e never seen an article that stated they were on the same server but we’ll go with that notion for simplicity.

gw1 came first follow by gw2, but how did gw1 get on to gw2 servers – transfer no brainer, right?Who is to say that they couldn’t transfer it again if gw2 goes down the kittenter? As long as there is some profitability that covers costs of running ( which its not even an after thought) it could stay online for a while. If at any point they have to cut gw1 for gw2 sake, gw2 will not have a snowballs chance at least another 7 years.

as for the better game part…… what? Within my first post I called them silly for trying to refute opinions, he felt the need to defend gw2 honor everytime someone doesn’t praise it, i was in the mood for entertainment. \\ Lets be real the forums are more entertaining hence why you are here and keep coming back for this stuff XD cheers

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

Guild Wars 1 is in the lead how? I mean maybe in your imagination, but it’s by no means in the lead.

Guild Wars sales weren’t predicated on everyone who just bought the first game. If you bought all four Guild Wars 1 products, you bought Guild Wars 1 four times. That means that if half the people playing bought all the content, Guild Wars 1 would have far less sales than you think.

Guild Wars 2 had four million preorders. And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

Guild Wars 1 is not ahead on sales and while we’re on this topic, tell me. NcSoft just released it’s sales figures for the quarter. Where was Guild Wars 1 even LISTED?

If it was doing so well why wasn’t it listed in the quarterly reports?

echo.2053:

As long as there is some profitability that covers costs of running ( which its not even an after thought) it could stay online for a while.

Perhaps. Then again NCsoft have established that turning a small profit alone is not sufficient for them to allow it to remain alive.

ROI is a big deal. If a game generates $1.15 for every $1.00 it costs to keep running, but the company believes that another game will/might generate $1.17 for the same $1.00 then they might very well axe the first game in order to generate more revenue.

Vayne.8563:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

Guild Wars 1 is in the lead how? I mean maybe in your imagination, but it’s by no means in the lead.

Guild Wars sales weren’t predicated on everyone who just bought the first game. If you bought all four Guild Wars 1 products, you bought Guild Wars 1 four times. That means that if half the people playing bought all the content, Guild Wars 1 would have far less sales than you think.

Guild Wars 2 had four million preorders. And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

Guild Wars 1 is not ahead on sales and while we’re on this topic, tell me. NcSoft just released it’s sales figures for the quarter. Where was Guild Wars 1 even LISTED?

If it was doing so well why wasn’t it listed in the quarterly reports?

LOL Are you sure i’m the one thats imaginating? At what point in any of our conversions in this thread did I remotely suggest that gw1 outsold gw2? please by all means quote it for easy ref because I don’t see it.

You mean point out the others category? there it is row 15 “others”.

I did throughly enjoy looking at that report though, Lineage a game almost as old as gw1 just absolutley DOMINATING each quater!!!!! I mean they shut down the na servers from lack of active players but yet still pulling in those numbers.

Just as interesting had there not been an hot expac gw2 would of had roughly the same numbers are aoin and lineage 2 ( other games almost as old as gw1)

If you want to call 3 completely standalone games 1 than by all means what ever fills your boat. I should point out that, yet again, you made an oversight. At the time of gw1 release they had to compete agianst WOW in its’ prime, whereas years later gw2 was released against what a now stale WOW that was now bleeding players. Obvisously a product is going to do better when there is a lack of competition in the market but had gw2 had to go against a game that did the same kind of feat that WOW did, would doubt that gw2 would be in the same position as it is due to costs.

You should take note in those b+s numbers as well as those are just the games that fall under ncsoft name …… just saying

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

I suggest you look at the earning reports of Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 currently. Guild Wars 1 will shut down if the Guild Wars 2 server shuts down. Guild Wars 2 is still making 8 million dollars a month. Guild Wars 1 isn’t even in the thought process anymore.

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

LMFAO its almost saddening some can blinded by their fanaticism…..but it’s just too funny.

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Whoops you had an major oversight that gw1 was around 7 years prior to gw2, Gw2 will never outlast gw1 especially since its automated running on minimal cost.

8 million NO WAY!!!!! boy they’ll sure have the rest of those new legendaries developed in no time…. oh wait they pulled everyone in an effort to save the diaster of an expac. XD

Guild Wars 1 is in the lead how? I mean maybe in your imagination, but it’s by no means in the lead.

Guild Wars sales weren’t predicated on everyone who just bought the first game. If you bought all four Guild Wars 1 products, you bought Guild Wars 1 four times. That means that if half the people playing bought all the content, Guild Wars 1 would have far less sales than you think.

Guild Wars 2 had four million preorders. And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

Guild Wars 1 is not ahead on sales and while we’re on this topic, tell me. NcSoft just released it’s sales figures for the quarter. Where was Guild Wars 1 even LISTED?

If it was doing so well why wasn’t it listed in the quarterly reports?

LOL Are you sure i’m the one thats imaginating? At what point in any of our conversions in this thread did I remotely suggest that gw1 outsold gw2? please by all means quote it for easy ref because I don’t see it.

You mean point out the others category? there it is row 15 “others”.

I did throughly enjoy looking at that report though, Lineage a game almost as old as gw1 just absolutley DOMINATING each quater!!!!! I mean they shut down the na servers from lack of active players but yet still pulling in those numbers.

Just as interesting had there not been an hot expac gw2 would of had roughly the same numbers are aoin and lineage 2 ( other games almost as old as gw1)

If you want to call 3 completely standalone games 1 than by all means what ever fills your boat. I should point out that, yet again, you made an oversight. At the time of gw1 release they had to compete agianst WOW in its’ prime, whereas years later gw2 was released against what a now stale WOW that was now bleeding players. Obvisously a product is going to do better when there is a lack of competition in the market but had gw2 had to go against a game that did the same kind of feat that WOW did, would doubt that gw2 would be in the same position as it is due to costs.

You should take note in those b+s numbers as well as those are just the games that fall under ncsoft name …… just saying

Lineage 2 has been called the WoW of Korea, which has a huge number of MMO gamers. Again, in this market, it failed.

Guild Wars 2 is in this market. It competes with games in this market. If you want to compare Asian MMO to US MMO go right ahead.

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

Vayne.8563:

Lineage 2 has been called the WoW of Korea, which has a huge number of MMO gamers. Again, in this market, it failed.

Guild Wars 2 is in this market. It competes with games in this market. If you want to compare Asian MMO to US MMO go right ahead.

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

LOL you were just boasting about sales in china

Vayne.8563:

And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

So now your saying those sales are irrevelent because its kitten mmo? Seems rather silly to reduce playerbases to regions, unless of course you’re just trying to be disparaging. Lineage 1 was not a hit in NA so they cut those servers, lineage 2 however is open occess.

Vayne.8563:

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

Vayne.8563:

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming.

Gw1 has 7 years on gw2, if they both shut down at the same time gw1 would have still outlasted gw2.

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

Lineage 2 has been called the WoW of Korea, which has a huge number of MMO gamers. Again, in this market, it failed.

Guild Wars 2 is in this market. It competes with games in this market. If you want to compare Asian MMO to US MMO go right ahead.

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

LOL you were just boasting about sales in china

Vayne.8563:

And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

So now your saying those sales are irrevelent because its kitten mmo? Seems rather silly to reduce playerbases to regions, unless of course you’re just trying to be disparaging. Lineage 1 was not a hit in NA so they cut those servers, lineage 2 however is open occess.

Vayne.8563:

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

Vayne.8563:

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming.

Gw1 has 7 years on gw2, if they both shut down at the same time gw1 would have still outlasted gw2.

I believe you have the wrong definition of outlast here. Outlast means to go past where the other(s) has stopped, not to simply exist for a longer period of time.

So, for example. Your mom could be 10 years younger than your father but if he dies first, she will outlast him even though she isn’t as old as him.

So, if Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 both end at the same time neither will outlast the other even though Guild Wars 1 might have been running all that time and has that many more years.

Randulf.7614:

For everything amazing that GW1 did and it was groundbreaking and evolved to a high level by its end, there are many echoes of complaints of what it did wrong then as what GW2 is perceived to be doing wrong now.

GW2 makes many of the same mistakes of the past and a whole host of new ones in its story and uncetainty in how it wants to celiver its vision and that is part of the problem. However, it has attracted a wider audience and continues to at least try to break new ground – sometimes failing, sometimes succeeding. But, GW1 was no perfection judging by what the vocal community often were saying at the time.

My expectations for GW2 were that they would take what worked and learn from the past mistakes. Expectations that were faulty, even in beta it was apparent that a high percentage of the current devs had no experience with GW1. Simple things like the keystrokes for stack splitting, the mechanic for storage access (I still miss the Xulani) …

Yet I’m still playing GW2, but I will always have a bad taste in my mouth. I was hoping for great and have gotten something that is OK. Since giving my caster Necro a mele weapon I’ve started seeking an alternate game and stopping spending cash.

No, you can’t have my stuffs

echo.2053:

Vayne.8563:

Lineage 2 has been called the WoW of Korea, which has a huge number of MMO gamers. Again, in this market, it failed.

Guild Wars 2 is in this market. It competes with games in this market. If you want to compare Asian MMO to US MMO go right ahead.

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

LOL you were just boasting about sales in china

Vayne.8563:

And that doesn’t even count the million from China. So five million on the two launches.

So now your saying those sales are irrevelent because its kitten mmo? Seems rather silly to reduce playerbases to regions, unless of course you’re just trying to be disparaging. Lineage 1 was not a hit in NA so they cut those servers, lineage 2 however is open occess.

Vayne.8563:

But you did say GW 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 and I’m not sure what that means if you didn’t mean it sold more. Because I can’t think of any way it’s ahead.

Vayne.8563:

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming.

Gw1 has 7 years on gw2, if they both shut down at the same time gw1 would have still outlasted gw2.

First all all, games are more popular in regions for a reason. If a game is more popular in China for example, it’ll have more players than anyone else because China has more people than anyone else. Probably the same for a place like India. Your refusal to see that eastern and western MMOs have always followed different rules doesn’t really help your argument.

If you look at US and EU sales right now, you’ll that that Guild Wars 2 takes in more money in those regions, being more popular in those regions than Blade and Soul. By the same token, Lineage, which couldn’t make it in the west, is the most popular MMO in Korea. But being as I don’t live in Korea, it doesn’t make that much difference to me.

I’m interested in how MMOs do in the west, because I have no interest in Eastern MMOs. They don’t cater to the type of play style that the western player tends to enjoy, hence the long string of failures of eastern MMO’s coming here.

If you want to argue a game is doing better because it’s doing better in China, that’s fine. You can argue that. It simple doesn’t matter to me. Again because I don’t live in China.

Suppose for example, Guild Wars 2 did great in China but lousy here? Well if that were the case, I’d have less people to play with and the game would be more likely to close down for me, just as Lineage did.

But that’s the real thing. If people are saying the game is dying, but in the region I’m playing it it’s doing well for the region, then the game isn’t dying in this region. The region I’m playing in. The region in which I have to find people to play with. The region ion which I have to build my guild.

I’m sure all the people who played and enjoyed Lineage in the US are madly happy it’s doing well in Korea. But that didn’t stop them from having to find another game.

Endless Soul.5178:

I’m just happy to have lived during the era of Guild Wars.

Agreed.
Patience is a virtue- GW2 is a story in itself, the past will hopefully soon intermingle with the present and grant us all what we want to see in our gaming experience in Tyria’s beautiful expanse. (See what I did thar?)

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I believe you have the wrong definition of outlast here. Outlast means to go past where the other(s) has stopped, not to simply exist for a longer period of time.

So, for example. Your mom could be 10 years younger than your father but if he dies first, she will outlast him even though she isn’t as old as him.

So, if Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 both end at the same time neither will outlast the other even though Guild Wars 1 might have been running all that time and has that many more years.

That would be an incorrect belief than but dont fret I got you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+outlast

The definition you provided is for the word endure.
The example you provided is for the word survived. The husband is survived by wife and kids.

Well at least you tried….

How do you tell how long something has lasted? You measure from the starting point up to current point however if you alter the starting point you’ve just created a biasim.

I mean you can’t seriously be suggesting that if we were to have an underwater breath holding contest where you held your breath for 1 minute and I held mine for 30 seconds but started 45 seconds after you – than I outlasted you.

Vayne.8563:

If you look at US and EU sales right now, you’ll that that Guild Wars 2 takes in more money in those regions, being more popular in those regions than Blade and Soul. By the same token, Lineage, which couldn’t make it in the west, is the most popular MMO in Korea. But being as I don’t live in Korea, it doesn’t make that much difference to me.

I’m interested in how MMOs do in the west, because I have no interest in Eastern MMOs. They don’t cater to the type of play style that the western player tends to enjoy, hence the long string of failures of eastern MMO’s coming here.

If you want to argue a game is doing better because it’s doing better in China, that’s fine. You can argue that. It simple doesn’t matter to me. Again because I don’t live in China.

Suppose for example, Guild Wars 2 did great in China but lousy here? Well if that were the case, I’d have less people to play with and the game would be more likely to close down for me, just as Lineage did.

But that’s the real thing. If people are saying the game is dying, but in the region I’m playing it it’s doing well for the region, then the game isn’t dying in this region. The region I’m playing in. The region in which I have to find people to play with. The region ion which I have to build my guild.

I’m sure all the people who played and enjoyed Lineage in the US are madly happy it’s doing well in Korea. But that didn’t stop them from having to find another game.

So now you’re backstepping in your argument – If you only cared about west than why did you include china sales?

Errr…. If you consider gw2’s 30,557 1q16 earning greater than blade and souls 54,018 than very well I’ll let you live in that fantasy.

echo.2053:

LOL Are you sure i’m the one thats imaginating? At what point in any of our conversions in this thread did I remotely suggest that gw1 outsold gw2? please by all means quote it for easy ref because I don’t see it.

Still waiting for you to make that quote….

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I believe you have the wrong definition of outlast here. Outlast means to go past where the other(s) has stopped, not to simply exist for a longer period of time.

So, for example. Your mom could be 10 years younger than your father but if he dies first, she will outlast him even though she isn’t as old as him.

So, if Guild Wars 1 and Guild Wars 2 both end at the same time neither will outlast the other even though Guild Wars 1 might have been running all that time and has that many more years.

That would be an incorrect belief than but dont fret I got you:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+outlast

The definition you provided is for the word endure.
The example you provided is for the word survived. The husband is survived by wife and kids.

Well at least you tried….

How do you tell how long something has lasted? You measure from the starting point up to current point however if you alter the starting point you’ve just created a biasim.

I mean you can’t seriously be suggesting that if we were to have an underwater breath holding contest where you held your breath for 1 minute and I held mine for 30 seconds but started 45 seconds after you – than I outlasted you.

Vayne.8563:

If you look at US and EU sales right now, you’ll that that Guild Wars 2 takes in more money in those regions, being more popular in those regions than Blade and Soul. By the same token, Lineage, which couldn’t make it in the west, is the most popular MMO in Korea. But being as I don’t live in Korea, it doesn’t make that much difference to me.

I’m interested in how MMOs do in the west, because I have no interest in Eastern MMOs. They don’t cater to the type of play style that the western player tends to enjoy, hence the long string of failures of eastern MMO’s coming here.

If you want to argue a game is doing better because it’s doing better in China, that’s fine. You can argue that. It simple doesn’t matter to me. Again because I don’t live in China.

Suppose for example, Guild Wars 2 did great in China but lousy here? Well if that were the case, I’d have less people to play with and the game would be more likely to close down for me, just as Lineage did.

But that’s the real thing. If people are saying the game is dying, but in the region I’m playing it it’s doing well for the region, then the game isn’t dying in this region. The region I’m playing in. The region in which I have to find people to play with. The region ion which I have to build my guild.

I’m sure all the people who played and enjoyed Lineage in the US are madly happy it’s doing well in Korea. But that didn’t stop them from having to find another game.

So now you’re backstepping in your argument – If you only cared about west than why did you include china sales?

Errr…. If you consider gw2’s 30,557 1q16 earning greater than blade and souls 54,018 than very well I’ll let you live in that fantasy.

echo.2053:

LOL Are you sure i’m the one thats imaginating? At what point in any of our conversions in this thread did I remotely suggest that gw1 outsold gw2? please by all means quote it for easy ref because I don’t see it.

Still waiting for you to make that quote….

To be honest Just a flesh wound summed it up pretty good. But you’re so full of it or maybe so stuck to your beliefs that you don’t understand your own argument. I sure hope no one else responds to your crap because it’s pointless just like this thread.

Per Cambridge, Oxford, and Merriam Webster, Echo is correct in his use of outlast. In order for GW2 to outlast GW1 it will have to exist for more years than did GW1.

But GW2 has made more money, had more players, etc than GW1 has or likely ever will.

Ashen.2907:

Per Cambridge, Oxford, and Merriam Webster, Echo is correct in his use of outlast. In order for GW2 to outlast GW1 it will have to exist for more years than did GW1.

But GW2 has made more money, had more players, etc than GW1 has or likely ever will.

Echo is misunderstanding what Vayne wrote and is using the wrong definition of outlast.

Vayne.8563:

Anyone who thinks that Guild Wars 1 will outlast Guild Wars 2 somehow is dreaming. Anet said they’re hosting the game on the Guild Wars 2 servers. If those servers shut, Guild Wars 1 goes with it.

In this case the meaning here of outlast is to exist past the time when the other object no longer exists.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/outlast
verb (used with object)
1. to endure or last longer than:
The pyramids outlasted the civilization that built them.

In this example the civilization is older than the pyramid (as it has to be since it built them). The two existed in time together, then the older one (the civilization) ended and the younger one (the pyramid) continued.

Vayne was saying in this quote that if Guild Wars 2 ends then Guild Wars 1 will also end as the server shut down will close both of them. Guild Wars 1 will not outlast Guild Wars 2 as the servers closing will end both.

JAFW, my apologies. I read your initial post about the definition of outlast incorrectly.

I thought you were saying that his definition was wrong, not that there were multiple definitions and that the one he was using did not relate to what Vayne was saying. My mistake.

Ashen.2907:

JAFW, my apologies. I read your initial post about the definition of outlast incorrectly.

I thought you were saying that his definition was wrong, not that there were multiple definitions and that the one he was using did not relate to what Vayne was saying. My mistake.

Yah. The two of them were talking/arguing past each other as they were using two different definitions of that word and neither seemed to notice.

Eh. Outlast, Endure. I don’t think GW2 would ever survive with the neglect and minimal life support GW has had for so many years. GW was abandoned and still managed to help pay for this game.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/outlast
verb (used with object)
1. to endure or last longer than:
The pyramids outlasted the civilization that built them.

TTTThhhereee you go now you’re on finally starting to get on track.

The civilization ( gw1 ) came before the pyramids ( gw2 ) right, now for as long as the pyraminds are around the civilization will continue to exist until hypotheically a metor falls from the sky wiping both out ( server shut down). Which lasted longer – the civilization or the pyramids?

In order for Gw2 to outlast Gw1, Gw1 would have to be shutdown and while gw2 would have to continue for 7+ years – which is what I’ve been actually stating from the start. Yes when Gw2 was released both games existed and when the servers are turned off both games will cease to exist leading to this “niether will outlast becuase both games end at the same time” statement. However the 7 years gw1 was around prior to gw2 is being conveniently cut out thus making it a rather inaccurate and very heavily biased statement for gw2. The gw2 zeal blinds to reality.

Teofa Tsavo.9863 ………. I like your signature, should put it on the alien guy meme

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/outlast
verb (used with object)
1. to endure or last longer than:
The pyramids outlasted the civilization that built them.

TTTThhhereee you go now you’re on finally starting to get on track.

The civilization ( gw1 ) came before the pyramids ( gw2 ) right, now for as long as the pyraminds are around the civilization will continue to exist until hypotheically a metor falls from the sky wiping both out ( server shut down). Which lasted longer – the civilization or the pyramids?

In order for Gw2 to outlast Gw1, Gw1 would have to be shutdown and while gw2 would have to continue for 7+ years – which is what I’ve been actually stating from the start. Yes when Gw2 was released both games existed and when the servers are turned off both games will cease to exist leading to this “niether will outlast becuase both games end at the same time” statement. However the 7 years gw1 was around prior to gw2 is being conveniently cut out thus making it a rather inaccurate and very heavily biased statement for gw2. The gw2 zeal blinds to reality.

Teofa Tsavo.9863 ………. I like your signature, should put it on the alien guy meme

There are TWO definitions to outlast and Vayne was using the OTHER definition, not the one you’re using.

This is a useless discussion.

Guild Wars 2 is a sequel of Guild Wars 1 as perogative of the creators.

And I’m not going into this mindnumbing discussion which one will outlast live longer last longer or whatever version because it doesn’t say anything other than GW2 came after GW1. (By Ogdens Hammer! What Logics!)

Gw2 is too normal that’s why. They haven’t really added many thinks that make players think epic! They show the games spoilers from level 1 and nothing changes. You see big dragons early you see big dragons later. the story is easy without any real problem solving involved. They could learn from legend of zelda or mario for examples of this. They basically made a robotic pve game. Check of your list and you get your stuff it takes time not effort in most cases. I remember when I used to spend hours trying to get past a bump in a story line… Games are all degrading into empty thrillers.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

That’s one definition. It’s not what Vayne was saying though. He was using the other definition, whether or not the two two games will end simultaneously. That’s what one you ’re not understanding. Not how long each lasted in years, but the simultaneous ending.
But whatever. Maybe one day you will understand that there are two definitions to outlast and he meant the other definition.

Regardless of which definition that is choosen they both have to do with length of time. The reason why you are able say that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization is because the pyraminds time of existance exceeded the time of existance of the civilization. Had both the civilization and pyraminds cease to exist at the same time, you would * NOT* be able to claim that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization.

No one in their right mind would remotely suggest that a 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993 merely on the basis that the date of death nor would they suggest that they lasted the same if they died at the same exact time.

If the gw1 game that was originally hosted on gw1 servers is now being hosted on gw2 servers it is possible that they could switch again to a new server as long as there is a profit over the cost

Maybe one Gw2 blinders will accidently get bumped off…

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

That’s one definition. It’s not what Vayne was saying though. He was using the other definition, whether or not the two two games will end simultaneously. That’s what one you ’re not understanding. Not how long each lasted in years, but the simultaneous ending.
But whatever. Maybe one day you will understand that there are two definitions to outlast and he meant the other definition.

Regardless of which definition that is choosen they both have to do with length of time. The reason why you are able say that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization is because the pyraminds time of existance exceeded the time of existance of the civilization. Had both the civilization and pyraminds cease to exist at the same time, you would * NOT* be able to claim that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization.

No one in their right mind would remotely suggest that a 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993 merely on the basis that the date of death nor would they suggest that they lasted the same if they died at the same exact time.

If the gw1 game that was originally hosted on gw1 servers is now being hosted on gw2 servers it is possible that they could switch again to a new server as long as there is a profit over the cost

Maybe one Gw2 blinders will accidently get bumped off…

You’re still working on definition one, not definition two. Definition two has nothing to do with how long either game has been going on. It has nothing to do with Guild Wars 1 having been made years before Guild Wars 2. It has nothing to do with years of existence at all

I suggest you talk to an English teacher and show them this thread and have them explain it to you.

As Ashen said

Ashen.2907:

JAFW, my apologies. I read your initial post about the definition of outlast incorrectly.

I thought you were saying that his definition was wrong, not that there were multiple definitions and that the one he was using did not relate to what Vayne was saying. My mistake.

Echo the problem is the definition you’re using is meaningless. Obviously something that comes first will be older than something that comes later, but that’s not what the tone of your posts imply. Saying Guild Wars 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 in age is a meaningless statement within the context of the previous argument.

Of course the first game in a series is older than later games. But your tone implies ahead to be more than just ahead in time. It implies something other since we’re comparing the merits of the two games in this thread.

By your definition it would be impossible for a later game to be ahead of an earlier game, with any game. I guess I have to ask how that’s relevant to this conversation?

It’s rather like saying water is wet.

I’m thinking that if you are having more fun arguing semantics on a gaming forum than you are having playing the game then maybe….

Anyhow, of course it’s a sequel. It’s got a “2” in the title.

/thread

DoctorDing.5890:

I’m thinking that if you are having more fun arguing semantics on a gaming forum than you are having playing the game then maybe….

Anyhow, of course it’s a sequel. It’s got a “2” in the title.

/thread

I answer forum posts during load screens. I hate load screens. lol

Just a flesh wound.3589:

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

That’s one definition. It’s not what Vayne was saying though. He was using the other definition, whether or not the two two games will end simultaneously. That’s what one you ’re not understanding. Not how long each lasted in years, but the simultaneous ending.
But whatever. Maybe one day you will understand that there are two definitions to outlast and he meant the other definition.

Regardless of which definition that is choosen they both have to do with length of time. The reason why you are able say that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization is because the pyraminds time of existance exceeded the time of existance of the civilization. Had both the civilization and pyraminds cease to exist at the same time, you would * NOT* be able to claim that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization.

No one in their right mind would remotely suggest that a 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993 merely on the basis that the date of death nor would they suggest that they lasted the same if they died at the same exact time.

If the gw1 game that was originally hosted on gw1 servers is now being hosted on gw2 servers it is possible that they could switch again to a new server as long as there is a profit over the cost

Maybe one Gw2 blinders will accidently get bumped off…

You’re still working on definition one, not definition two. Definition two has nothing to do with how long either game has been going on. It has nothing to do with Guild Wars 1 having been made years before Guild Wars 2. It has nothing to do with years of existence at all

I suggest you talk to an English teacher and show them this thread and have them explain it to you.

Definition 2 : to live longer than; outlive.

So you would say 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993? Or if we were in underwater breathing contest where i started 1 minute after, had overall shorter duration of a breath hold but you came up for air than I would have outlasted you because the starting point doesn’t matter. LOL thats choice. Whatever helps keep those gw2 blinders on I suppose.

DoctorDing.5890:

I’m thinking that if you are having more fun arguing semantics on a gaming forum than you are having playing the game then maybe….

Anyhow, of course it’s a sequel. It’s got a “2” in the title.

/thread

hahaha this guy gets it

echo.2053:

\\ Lets be real the forums are more entertaining hence why you are here and keep coming back for this stuff XD cheers

Of course it is a sequel….Why? The familiar places that you visited in GW1 can be visited in GW2. The characters that you knew about in GW1 are mentioned in GW2 or have a statue of them to make players remember about these particular characters. End of discussion

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

echo.2053:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

That’s one definition. It’s not what Vayne was saying though. He was using the other definition, whether or not the two two games will end simultaneously. That’s what one you ’re not understanding. Not how long each lasted in years, but the simultaneous ending.
But whatever. Maybe one day you will understand that there are two definitions to outlast and he meant the other definition.

Regardless of which definition that is choosen they both have to do with length of time. The reason why you are able say that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization is because the pyraminds time of existance exceeded the time of existance of the civilization. Had both the civilization and pyraminds cease to exist at the same time, you would * NOT* be able to claim that the pyraminds outlasted the civilization.

No one in their right mind would remotely suggest that a 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993 merely on the basis that the date of death nor would they suggest that they lasted the same if they died at the same exact time.

If the gw1 game that was originally hosted on gw1 servers is now being hosted on gw2 servers it is possible that they could switch again to a new server as long as there is a profit over the cost

Maybe one Gw2 blinders will accidently get bumped off…

You’re still working on definition one, not definition two. Definition two has nothing to do with how long either game has been going on. It has nothing to do with Guild Wars 1 having been made years before Guild Wars 2. It has nothing to do with years of existence at all

I suggest you talk to an English teacher and show them this thread and have them explain it to you.

Definition 2 : to live longer than; outlive.

So you would say 25 year old person who died in 1994 outlasted a 90 year old who died in 1993? Or if we were in underwater breathing contest where i started 1 minute after, had overall shorter duration of a breath hold but you came up for air than I would have outlasted you because the starting point doesn’t matter. LOL thats choice. Whatever helps keep those gw2 blinders on I suppose.

We’d then have to talk about the definition of life, since Guild Wars 1 is on life support and, perhaps, only remains open because it piggybacks on Guild Wars 2’s servers. Since you have no evidence that the game would still be alive at all at this point and it’s just existing piggybacked onto this game, your point lacks relevance.

That game may indeed run more years than this game. But if it’s running on life support, is it really still living? lol

I won’t get into arguing about ‘outlast’ but even simply on it’s business model, GW2 will do very well for a long time. GW1 hasn’t been actively developed for a number of years now and comparing it to GW2 is not very relevant in any way, except if you want to talk about comparisons in lore.

Outlast has nothing to do with overall length and everything to do with end points.

I get what echo is saying in that GW1 will have been around for longer cumulatively even if GW1 servers shut down and GW2 continues on for 6 more years. But that’s not the same as outlasting.

echo.2053:

Gw2 will shutdown before gw1.

I doubt it, since Anet more likely has long term goals and plans to continue on with GW2 with expansions and whatnot while older and newer players will continue to be logging in to keep the game going, unlike GW1 where there will most likely NEVER be any new content and expansions. Do me a favor, log into GW2 and go to LA. See how active it is? Now log into GW1 and go to LA. See the difference?

That logic of yours…

Steeldragon.7308:

echo.2053:

Gw2 will shutdown before gw1.

I doubt it, since Anet more likely has long term goals and plans to continue on with GW2 with expansions and whatnot while older and newer players will continue to be logging in to keep the game going, unlike GW1 where there will most likely NEVER be any new content and expansions. Do me a favor, log into GW2 and go to LA. See how active it is? Now log into GW1 and go to LA. See the difference?

That logic of yours…

All the people in gw1 are in Kamadan buying/selling stuff or actually playing the game. People in gw2 are in LA because they are bored with playing the game >.<

Ellie.5913:

People in gw2 are in LA because they are bored with playing the game >.<

Not true. When I’m in LA it’s to play with the Mystic Toilet, to try and find some semblance of organization in my bank, and most of all to enjoy the kids playing Investigator!

~EW

Ellie.5913:

People in gw2 are in LA because they are bored with playing the game

People that actually were bored with playing did quit some time ago.

You really try to imply that they are stupid because of being bored and yet sitting ingame.

Also people playing GW1 won’t simply admit that they spent so much life AND money in that game and don’t know how to let it go. Like EVE online for instance.

Vayne.8563:

Echo the problem is the definition you’re using is meaningless. Obviously something that comes first will be older than something that comes later, but that’s not what the tone of your posts imply. Saying Guild Wars 1 is ahead of Guild Wars 2 in age is a meaningless statement within the context of the previous argument.

The duration of a product holds alot of worth. For example if a battery A lasts twice as long as battery B then battery A has more value. Starting battery B at a later time than A and than compare basedon present time is completely meaningless other than to say " both batteries worked at this specific point in time".

Vayne.8563:

Of course the first game in a series is older than later games. But your tone implies ahead to be more than just ahead in time. It implies something other since we’re comparing the merits of the two games in this thread.

echo.2053:

Ok we’ll play the which will last longer game… ready…set….go…..and gw1 is in the lead.
oh you weren’t ready? no problem we’ll start again ready….set…go….and gw1 is in the lead.

Nope its always been about time, you’ve been having illusions about what has been written – like how I made the claims that gw1 was ahead in sales but yet still can’t provide that quote.

To be honest I was going to completely ignore those posts as its senseless to debate and such in a thread where the op has most likely perminantly left the game.

By your definition it would be impossible for a later game to be ahead of an earlier game, with any game. I guess I have to ask how that’s relevant to this conversation?
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GW2 is a sequel to GW.

Then again Highlander 2 was a sequel to the original Highlander movie.

Personally I would have preferred that Anet start from scratch rather than release a sequel that included not a single one of my favorite aspects of the original. GW2 is a pretty solid game. Were I measuring it without comparison to te original I would certainly rate it higher than is currently the case.