Guild Wars 2

Just a flesh wound.3589:

tigirius.9014:

Behellagh.1468:

That assumes that DR was solely added to stop RMT.

It was in fact they made an official statement as to why they were adding DR and it was solely to stop gold sellers and nothing else.

Source?

I can see how Diminishing Returns affects bots. I can’t imagine how it affects gold sellers sitting in cities selling gold.

The assumption is the bots are the ones generating the gold.

Behellagh.1468:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

tigirius.9014:

Behellagh.1468:

That assumes that DR was solely added to stop RMT.

It was in fact they made an official statement as to why they were adding DR and it was solely to stop gold sellers and nothing else.

Source?

I can see how Diminishing Returns affects bots. I can’t imagine how it affects gold sellers sitting in cities selling gold.

The assumption is the bots are the ones generating the gold.

Well, yes. But it’s not just gold sellers that have farming bots. People can want the benefits of a farming bot and not be a gold seller. So it’s not just gold sellers and nothing else as tigerius said but all farming bots owned by everyone.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

tigirius.9014:

Behellagh.1468:

That assumes that DR was solely added to stop RMT.

It was in fact they made an official statement as to why they were adding DR and it was solely to stop gold sellers and nothing else.

Source?

I can see how Diminishing Returns affects bots. I can’t imagine how it affects gold sellers sitting in cities selling gold.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Let-s-Start-the-Karma-DR-Dialogue/page/5#post338355

And it shows him incorrect.

Ayrilana.1396:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

tigirius.9014:

Behellagh.1468:

That assumes that DR was solely added to stop RMT.

It was in fact they made an official statement as to why they were adding DR and it was solely to stop gold sellers and nothing else.

Source?

I can see how Diminishing Returns affects bots. I can’t imagine how it affects gold sellers sitting in cities selling gold.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Let-s-Start-the-Karma-DR-Dialogue/page/5#post338355

And it shows him incorrect.

That link is from October 3rd, 2012. And it pretty much gives the philosophy behind every change that eliminated all of those rich farms over the years as well as the changes to dungeons and world bosses. They don’t want some activity so good in rewards that everyone feels like that need to do it to keep up.

Ayrilana.1396:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

tigirius.9014:

Behellagh.1468:

That assumes that DR was solely added to stop RMT.

It was in fact they made an official statement as to why they were adding DR and it was solely to stop gold sellers and nothing else.

Source?

I can see how Diminishing Returns affects bots. I can’t imagine how it affects gold sellers sitting in cities selling gold.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Let-s-Start-the-Karma-DR-Dialogue/page/5#post338355

And it shows him incorrect.

Awesome quote. Thanks.

I see my question has not been answered. I doubt it will be but it’s amazing to me that when hard questions like mine come out about whether or not DR is here to stay when they added the system to prevent bots and gold sellers in the first place you would think you’d get an answer about a system that was so problematic that it (just as history predicted) caused many a player to ask for a refund of the game early on.

tigirius.9014:

I see my question has not been answered. I doubt it will be but it’s amazing to me that when hard questions like mine come out about whether or not DR is here to stay when they added the system to prevent bots and gold sellers in the first place you would think you’d get an answer about a system that was so problematic that it (just as history predicted) caused many a player to ask for a refund of the game early on.

It was at first as the game was still new and they were still trying to find an acceptable threshold for when DR hits. You act as though it’s a problem when they’ve stated that very few people ever hit it. They do not need to respond to every person that complains about some aspect of the game that doesn’t meet how they personally feel it should be.

Besides, this thread is about the recent changes to gold transfers and not DR.

Hello all! This is a tiny rant but mainly a question how other people deal with this?

I have 2 accounts that i farm on at same time and the amount of gold i make is 500g+. I stopped selling t6 mats and i stopped selling ectos/lodestones etc and i was a bit below 500g this way.

This was ok till i had to skip opening purses and such for 3 days and missing the reset. Now i cannot get the gold on my 2nd account.. but that is NOT the problem i have i can slowly deplete it over time i guess.

The problem: I get donation mails. They can be 15-20s to 5g etc. nothing big because i lead and put food trays for ppl and banners for 5-6 hours per day. These mails i also cannot get because of the cap. So another cap (mail) is getting full now. This is what annoys me. TOO MANY restrictions.

I had an idea to send all mats from 2nd account to 1st account and sell on tp there but then i realised that doesnt help cause i have to wait for SO LONG due to the restriction on TP where you cannot sell too many items and have to wait.

These restrictions are making eachother worse. They either have to be more loose or at least one of them has to go away. I understand this is NOT the case for majority but i know many people that play on multi accounts. Even if i am not in the majority i hope you can understand how frustrating these restrictions are on me – a player loves this game and does what he likes (farming) in it. I never have done anything illegal yet the feeling of getting punished for playing the game is getting heavier by each new restriction.

Sorry for long post. If anyone has suggestions for people like me please do share but to clear some misinformation pre-hand: the 500g limit is on the account regardless of the money source. I cannot take ANY gold from ANYONE else after 500g. Mails can only be returned till you take the money attached and i already have to wait quiet a while on TP sales after farming with just 1 account worth of mats.

The 500 gold a week was due to an RMT crackdown. According to their analysis of mailed gold, only a very few innocent people would be affected by this. I’m sorry if you are one of them but that’s the way it is.

Now when I encounter banners or food left out I’ve never seen anyone advertise that it was them who did so in hope for a tip. I drop them simply because it’s the neighborly thing to do in a co-op game. Even if someone saw my do it I wouldn’t expect coin in the mail and I would probably return it than take it. But that’s me.

Behellagh.1468:

Now when I encounter banners or food left out I’ve never seen anyone advertise that it was them who did so in hope for a tip. I drop them simply because it’s the neighborly thing to do in a co-op game. Even if someone saw my do it I wouldn’t expect coin in the mail and I would probably return it than take it. But that’s me.

What does it matter if the OP is or isn’t returning it? If he’s getting it in the first place, it’s counting towards his cap, even if he turns around and sends it right back.

I do not expect donations. I lead SW ChestFarm 6 days a week for 5 to 6 hours a day. It is usually same people join me with a follower list of around 600 people. So people know it is me putting the banner and food. Also i have to announce when i put the food otherwise people run-past it to dig in front while i wait for slow ppl to catch up / vendor for a few seconds. Banners are mine because everyone knows the guild tag and it is my personal guild which involves my 2 accounts only.

So donations happen. Returning them is the rude thing i dont really need the small amount of gold except the fact that it is a token of gratitude which makes me happy. It could be a worthless.

Also saying that’s the way it is is very bad in my opinion. The problem is the workarounds to this are also all restricted. At least it’d be nice if we could apply somewhere to reset our weekly gold cap..they could see if we are legit or RMTing but that’d mean more support power / money spent.. but really punishing the legit users is a bad idea no matter how small.

It’s a hassle, but it’s necessary to stop unwanted spam. One solution could be to let people on friends list be required to add each other, to get rid of the restrictions.

You don’t expect donations yet you get over 500 g a week from donations. Nice work when you can get it.

And I didn’t suggest you should return it, I just said that I would since I don’t take donations from anyone. Been that way in all the MMOs I’ve played. Like I said in my original post, “But that’s me”.

tyu.9470:

I have 2 accounts that i farm on at same time and the amount of gold i make is 500g+.

Oh that’s sounds somewhat suspicious, hopefully you’re not using any bots or something. I’m not sure how ANet feels about multiboxing in general though.

Behellagh.1468:

The 500 gold a week was due to an RMT crackdown. According to their analysis of mailed gold, only a very few innocent people would be affected by this. I’m sorry if you are one of them but that’s the way it is.

For the good of the many I guess.

Behellagh.1468:

You don’t expect donations yet you get over 500 g a week from donations. Nice work when you can get it.

And I didn’t suggest you should return it, I just said that I would since I don’t take donations from anyone. Been that way in all the MMOs I’ve played. Like I said in my original post, “But that’s me”.

At this point you are being mean on purpose. If you read i FARM LEAD 5-6 hours a day 6 days a week. That is where the gold comes from. Not donations! Lol.. i get maybe 10g per week from donations and half of that is from people finishing their legendaries thanking me. Please read again the first post.

CureForLiving.5360:

tyu.9470:

I have 2 accounts that i farm on at same time and the amount of gold i make is 500g+.

Oh that’s sounds somewhat suspicious, hopefully you’re not using any bots or something. I’m not sure how ANet feels about multiboxing in general though.

Behellagh.1468:

The 500 gold a week was due to an RMT crackdown. According to their analysis of mailed gold, only a very few innocent people would be affected by this. I’m sorry if you are one of them but that’s the way it is.

For the good of the many I guess.

Playing on multiple accounts is allowed. And no i manually control them both.

I understand the for the greater good. But dont you think we deserve at least one way to get around this? Apply somewhere for a bigger limit so they can check if the gold is legit or not. If we are such a small minority this shouldnt be too hard to monitor. And if we are not that small of a minority than the greater good becomes not s o great.

I am not questioning the method but the multiple methods that have a chain effect on the user.

Chris Clearly’s post on the subject.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gold-Transfer-Changes/4933116

0.175% of accounts would be affected at least one time per month.
98.228% of those accounts were RMT related.
Which means after the math, roughly 1 in 32,000 accounts impacted who weren’t involved in RMT. Across say 4 million accounts, that’s roughly 125 players caught by it.

Yep so i am asking.. how much time would it take for 125 players to get a reset on their weekly cap if needed by asking anet personally? I doubt all 125 hits it every week so the actual number would be even less. It is just not fair and it doesnt have to be. I am just asking for a longer way and i’ll deal with the long way. I’d prefer this over RMT. I just dont like being able to do nothing about it.

And i did not see that post i always love to see the numbers thank you!

What about Guild Bank?

Has anyone thought of making 2 Guilds (on each separate account) so they can deposit their alternate gold into their ‘main’ Guild Bank or does it share the same cap restriction too?

I don’t even know if this is a thing but it just dawned on me with the whole depositing items, gold etc.

I dont understand 2 guilds on seperate accounts? Guilds are not account-based. And i have not tried gbank as i assumed it was same cap – tried now and:

http://i.imgur.com/N8UurAX.png

:/
Edit: Changed the screenshot so it doesn’t look like i am showing off anything. I am a bit slow on the not sharing screens directly part >.<

Gold from the guild vaults counts towards the 500 gold a week limit

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gold-Transfer-Changes/first
“Full details about the system:
Each account will have a limit on how much gold can be moved from its mail in-box and Guild Vault into its wallet each week.
If you receive more gold through in-game mail than you can accept in a week, the gold will remain attached to the mail in your in-box and can be retrieved up to the limit the following week or in subsequent weeks.
For the purposes of this limit, a week begins at 12:01 AM UTC each Sunday (5:01 PM PDT/4:01 PM PST Saturday).
Gold received from the Trading Post is not subject to this limit.
The maximum amount of gold that can be sent via a single in-game mail will be 500 gold.
The maximum total amount of gold that an individual player account can accept in a week will be 500 gold.
We will monitor this system and may make changes to the limits if we find that changes are necessary.”

So if you get only 10g from donations and stop sending money from your second account this is not a problem.

Linken.6345:

So if you get only 10g from donations and stop sending money from your second account this is not a problem.

Eh what? The 2nd account is only there to use and feed 1st account. Otherwise it is no different than having 2 main accounts. Stop having my money under my arms is indeed a good solution. Unless i dont know when i want to spend it on gems and various other things in the future which i’ll do (waiting for expansion). There are account bound things in this game as you are aware of i believe.. and it makes zero sense to have them on another account than the main.

Gift it from the second account?

Just giving feed back.

I came back to GW2 about a month (maybe more) ago after a year and a half break. Decided to work on a legendary. I have spending problems, and found out that the bank doesn’t store gold any more. A friend said I could store it in a guild bank. So I did. Got up to 900 gold and when I went to withdraw it, that’s when I saw the information about the limit.

I had been pretty excited, thinking I would maybe finish my legendary that night.

In my opinion, something needs to change. Even if it’s something as simple as putting the withdraw limit information also on the deposit button. Waiting 2 weeks wont kill me, but if I had known about it, I simply wouldn’t have done it.

And since you play 6 days a week find what day gold weekly reset is and transfer as much as you can in guild bank after taking all the donation mails.

I dont think you understand. Example: I bought 20.000 gems the other day to get some extra char slots. Which are NOT giftable. There are many things that you cannot gift. And the idea of dealing my gold via 2 different accounts is very messy which is another point.

Weekly reset is saturday – transfering it to guild bank means i still cannot touch it over the limit so i am not sure how that helps? It only means now both accounts lost access to the gold.

Since you control both accounts you could just send the money when you need it. Or make the second account more able to do things. Like spending the money on the second account food trays instead. (Unless I misunderstood you’re using both to farm right?) Using only one account to handle everything seems hardly efficient.

And it’s not messy if you do it right. Really.

I cannot sometimes i dont spend money for weeks sometimes i can spend 3-4 thousand in a day. If i could send money when i need there would be no problem! but i can only send 500g.

Have you done it and talking about personal experience? If so i’d like to get some help via PMs I’m here to look for help and tell my opinion so would be great!

Behellagh.1468:

Chris Clearly’s post on the subject.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gold-Transfer-Changes/4933116

0.175% of accounts would be affected at least one time per month.
98.228% of those accounts were RMT related.
Which means after the math, roughly 1 in 32,000 accounts impacted who weren’t involved in RMT. Across say 4 million accounts, that’s roughly 125 players caught by it.

Numbers one can live with.

Do I feel bad for the few caught in the crossfire? Sure.

Does it make all the complaints from RMT accounts faking to be legit accounts (and there have been a few called out, which is even funnier since I’d try to stay hush hush if I was already affected by anti RMT actions) that more sweet? Yes it does.

I’m not sure how Anet handles it but isn’t multiple accounts against the EULA? Most publishers and devs in the MMO industry, typically restrict access to one account per person or even per household.

Mail cap => Delete mails. easy as pie.

metaldude.4132:

Mail cap => Delete mails. easy as pie.

You cannot delete mails if they have attachments. Only return which as i said is very rude to do so when they are being said out of gratitude in the first place. Please read the first post totally as i already typed this. Not reading and replying is kinda bad.

Geneaux.9547:

I’m not sure how Anet handles it but isn’t multiple accounts against the EULA? Most publishers and devs in the MMO industry, typically restrict access to one account per person or even per household.

No, they don’t restrict multiple accounts. You can buy as many as you wish. At least one regular forum poster has 30.

Geneaux.9547:

I’m not sure how Anet handles it but isn’t multiple accounts against the EULA? Most publishers and devs in the MMO industry, typically restrict access to one account per person or even per household.

It is not against the EULA no you can google but dev posts and suppor ticket responses that say it is good as long as it is not automated exist.

In the MMO industry i hardly know any big titles restrict the user in this way actually and i did play a lot of MMOs so i’ll say your info is wrong. Even if it was right GW2 allows you to have as many accounts as you wish. Just no automation. Some people have 10+ accounts only for daily rewards as it outweights buying gems for gold after first month.

Cyninja.2954:

Behellagh.1468:

Chris Clearly’s post on the subject.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gold-Transfer-Changes/4933116

0.175% of accounts would be affected at least one time per month.
98.228% of those accounts were RMT related.
Which means after the math, roughly 1 in 32,000 accounts impacted who weren’t involved in RMT. Across say 4 million accounts, that’s roughly 125 players caught by it.

Numbers one can live with.

Do I feel bad for the few caught in the crossfire? Sure.

Does it make all the complaints from RMT accounts faking to be legit accounts (and there have been a few called out, which is even funnier since I’d try to stay hush hush if I was already affected by anti RMT actions) that more sweet? Yes it does.

I agree on this. I am asking for restrictions to not effect eachother in this way (aka mail limit.. cannot get gold in mail) or a way to prove that i have no life and not RMTing to somehow reset my limit once i hit it or any other ideas / easy to implement things from ANET.

Getting all the donations untill you are about to log out saturday then keeping 500 in shared guild bank and withdraw as much gold as possible before reset seem to solve all your problems.
If you buy gems i guess you do it for main account, check what you can gift to main from second do gold to gem transfer and buy less gems drains as much gold as possible from the second account.

tyu.9470:

Cyninja.2954:

Behellagh.1468:

Chris Clearly’s post on the subject.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gold-Transfer-Changes/4933116

0.175% of accounts would be affected at least one time per month.
98.228% of those accounts were RMT related.
Which means after the math, roughly 1 in 32,000 accounts impacted who weren’t involved in RMT. Across say 4 million accounts, that’s roughly 125 players caught by it.

Numbers one can live with.

Do I feel bad for the few caught in the crossfire? Sure.

Does it make all the complaints from RMT accounts faking to be legit accounts (and there have been a few called out, which is even funnier since I’d try to stay hush hush if I was already affected by anti RMT actions) that more sweet? Yes it does.

I agree on this. I am asking for restrictions to not effect eachother in this way (aka mail limit.. cannot get gold in mail) or a way to prove that i have no life and not RMTing to somehow reset my limit once i hit it or any other ideas / easy to implement things from ANET.

Yes and that ability to remove limit can be used by anyone making the limit lose effectiveness

tyu.9470:

I do not expect donations. I lead SW ChestFarm 6 days a week for 5 to 6 hours a day.

Dude, time to change your life… of course they can’t factor in such excessive monotonic gameplay.

How? Linken most of your posts are without any thought given to it. I am not asking for a stupid captcha am i? There are many possibities.. ask support for it – as we are a such a small number and with 1 week wait time to answer a ticket 1 person could deal with this most probably. And they can clearly see where the gold is coming from.

Just 1 example that shows it cannot be used everyone randomly and i didnt even think much to come with it so it is probably not that great.

My wording clearly says a way to PROVE it is not RMT yet you say it can be used by anyone .. what?

ProtoGunner.4953:

tyu.9470:

I do not expect donations. I lead SW ChestFarm 6 days a week for 5 to 6 hours a day.

Dude, time to change your life… of course they can’t factor in such excessive monotonic gameplay.

Thanks for your advice but i’ll kindly ignore it. You don’t have enough knowledge about me to tell me to change my life. Very very ignorant.

I totally agree they cant factor such small cases but so they should be ignored? I said this many times in this thread already – i am not looking for them to overhaul the whole thing. Just a way so we can SPEND EXTRA TIME/EFFORT to somehow work around it with anet support. Or maybe increase the mail limit that is sufficent for a week. Or.. many other things i already typed.

I consider myself someone with nice attitude but i feel like some people replying here acts a bit too.. i dont know the word in english so i’ll just say bad.

tyu.9470:

How? Linken most of your posts are without any thought given to it. I am not asking for a stupid captcha am i? There are many possibities.. ask support for it – as we are a such a small number and with 1 week wait time to answer a ticket 1 person could deal with this most probably. And they can clearly see where the gold is coming from.

Just 1 example that shows it cannot be used everyone randomly and i didnt even think much to come with it so it is probably not that great.

My wording clearly says a way to PROVE it is not RMT yet you say it can be used by anyone .. what?

So, should the CS Team use their resources to check every RMT/Gold-seller asking to have the limit raised? Could that possibly be hundreds or thousands of accounts each week? You claim there are only a small number of legitimate players that would seek assistance from the CS Team, but what about all the players seeking ‘special consideration’ that are not legitimate? How much time should be allotted to verifying all the accounts of Gold-sellers, etc.?

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

tyu.9470:

How? Linken most of your posts are without any thought given to it. I am not asking for a stupid captcha am i? There are many possibities.. ask support for it – as we are a such a small number and with 1 week wait time to answer a ticket 1 person could deal with this most probably. And they can clearly see where the gold is coming from.

Just 1 example that shows it cannot be used everyone randomly and i didnt even think much to come with it so it is probably not that great.

My wording clearly says a way to PROVE it is not RMT yet you say it can be used by anyone .. what?

So, should the CS Team use their resources to check every RMT/Gold-seller asking to have the limit raised? Could that possibly be hundreds or thousands of accounts each week? You claim there are only a small number of legitimate players that would seek assistance from the CS Team, but what about all the players seeking ‘special consideration’ that are not legitimate? How much time should be allotted to verifying all the accounts of Gold-sellers, etc.?

And you think they do not? We only see a few of it in public. God knows how many tickets are being made via them especially for the accounts they have the necessary proof via mails etc. As false positives happen the opposite also happens.

Yes, I think they are not verifying if an account should have the 500-gold limit raised right now. You suggestion is to have the CS Team spend time doing this. They just recently caught up from a 3-month backlog. I’m pretty sure they would not welcome extra work checking RMT accounts asking for ‘special consideration’.

tyu.9470:

I totally agree they cant factor such small cases but so they should be ignored? I said this many times in this thread already – i am not looking for them to overhaul the whole thing. Just a way so we can SPEND EXTRA TIME/EFFORT to somehow work around it with anet support. Or maybe increase the mail limit that is sufficent for a week. Or.. many other things i already typed.

Unfortunately that is not going to happen. Support agents would have to examine the game logs in great detail to somehow confirm you’re not botting… and then continue to watch your account to make sure you don’t start. Multiply this by a hundred or so legitimate accounts and they would have to dedicate several CS agents to this.

In addition, individuals engaged in botting and RMT would surely “test” the effectiveness of Anet’s detection systems by claiming to be legit players affected by this and try to get the restriction removed as well. So thousands of accounts would be lined up to be approved, and it would be difficult to tell which were legit players and which were not.

This would be more costly than if they had never created the restrictions in the first place. They are not going to do this, your only choices is to accept the restrictions and adjust your activities to work within them, or to play another game.

Suggesting CS (Customer Support) to support 1 or multiple customers is not welcome? This is basicly their job. I’m not saying it should have a prior over other stuff.. i am all ok waiting for a week.

Where do we make a line to say a customer is not ok to seek support? Also i think you underestimate the amount of players that need to do this. If i made up a number like 1% i’d not be shooting too far when i say this’d cost them 1% of what it costs them to reply to tickets that say hi.

Just because it doesn’t effect you doesn’t mean it is not worth supporting. And thank for telling me to deal with it or gtfo in a nice manner..but that is basicly what you said at the end. I like this game – i am asking for help i have no plans on playing another game.

Lemme tell you another bug that is happening in GW2. A very VERY (probably less than the ppl in my spot due to gold) small amount of people experience a bug where they get DC from log-in servers due to their friendlist being too populated. I am one of them. And guess what? They do support this and although no ETA they are working on it and bla and bla. My point is – just because something only effects a couple people you thinking deal with it or gtfo or no support cause not enough ppl effected is very poorly thought.

I’ll sleep now – thanks all for your opinions on the subject so far!

They knew that a small number of legit players would be affected before they made the changes… and went ahead with the changes anyway. I try to be realistic in my expectations, and if it’s going to cost $100 to make $50 then it isn’t going to happen because they would just be throwing money away.

So, the changes you’re asking for will not happen. If they were going to do something like that it would have been part of the changes they made to begin with. At some point they may adjust the weekly cap but they are not going to give specific accounts an exception to this because it’s essentially telling players “you can go ahead and set up a bot if you can convince us you are not setting up a bot.”

tolunart.2095:

They knew that a small number of legit players would be affected before they made the changes… and went ahead with the changes anyway. I try to be realistic in my expectations, and if it’s going to cost $100 to make $50 then it isn’t going to happen because they would just be throwing money away.

So, the changes you’re asking for will not happen. If they were going to do something like that it would have been part of the changes they made to begin with. At some point they may adjust the weekly cap but they are not going to give specific accounts an exception to this because it’s essentially telling players “you can go ahead and set up a bot if you can convince us you are not setting up a bot.”

Botting works that way already mate. Hence the term undetecable on most popular bots..once they are detectable they are useless. So it is ALREADY about convincing them you are not using one if you wanna set one up.

That bad example fixed – moving on – CS is one of the departments where it doesn’t bring in cash. In any company – yet it is important to invest in it for obvious reasons. And yes they did went ahead with changes to see how it’ll be. And so i am saying it is annoying as hell. And here you are – one of those that is not effected – telling me what ANET will do or wont do about it. Even after i gave you an example of them doing something about an error that only effects even less than the amount of players effected by gold limit.

Not sure what to think about the past few hours of posts here. tyu, you admit that you only get about 10 Gold per week in donations, so that’s a non-issue. Your main gripe is the ability to transfer Gold between accounts. Then you bring up you farm with 2 accounts, which is a red flag in and of itself. In order to lead a proper SW Chest run, you realistically cannot manually control more than one account at a time without botting the second account. Alt-tabbing and running every few feet slows down the run. So forgive me when I say that your story has holes in it. GM Chris is able to look into your account history, so I have faith in him to catch botters. If you’re legit, then fine. But as of now, I feel that there’s really no further need to complain, as this Gold transfer limit is pretty much set.

tyu.9470:

Botting works that way already mate. Hence the term undetecable on most popular bots..once they are detectable they are useless. So it is ALREADY about convincing them you are not using one if you wanna set one up.

So of course botters and wannabe botters want to be excluded from the 500g transfer cap… I can certainly understand that it bothers you, what I’m saying is that this isn’t an unintended side effect or bug that they need to fix, they knew before they set it up that some innocent players would be inconvenienced and they went ahead anyway. If they could tell who was legit and who wasn’t they would have set up the system to detect that in the first place. They can’t, they didn’t, and it’s unrealistic to think that they are going to go back and hand-check every account that protests the cap.