Guild Wars 2

This is a complaint in the mmo community as old as mmos have been around. Unfortunately it seems most developers think that there are no girls on the internet. To be fair girls aren’t the only minority anet ignores. RPers, Rangers and wvw.community are just as unimportant. The lich armor is kinda weird on girls. If you want BA armor I recommended cof armor + achievement armor. Also dry bones bottom + named exotic top is pretty intimidating. The sorrow dungeon armor is pretty gnarly looking too. Hope this helps!

Wait, so they’ll make a bow that shoots rainbows but they can’t make appropriate armor for female characters?

That’d be nice to have a choice on the armor, but it’s hard to see that happening

this thread was so incoherent and vague i have no idea what it’s about
you want the male characters to have more feminine armor? {sorry, that was me throwing my best guess out there}

cheshirefox.7026:

this thread was so incoherent and vague i have no idea what it’s about
you want the male characters to have more feminine armor? {sorry, that was me throwing my best guess out there}

She wants female characters to be able to equip the non skimpy male versions of armor.

See the bolded —

When my female guardian prances around PVP arenas in nothing but an array of bones, held together by what I can only assume to be prehistoric gum, I don’t feel as intimidating and spectacular as I did when I put the same outfit on my male character

Please, please, please make it possible for us females (real life females or those playing one of us in game) to choose between the bikini and bad-a versions of armors.

I love this game, but come on…Arah gear on a female with a skeleton holding their goods..nooo. Please consider an option to equip the “male” version of armors…would you storm into battle with a golden brazier that focuses all of the impact on your sternum…or leap into a brawl wearing a tiny non-skirt and a garter?…No, ArenaNet, you would not…

To the poster, I agree with what you said. Don’t replace the skins just give the alternative, makes everyone happy.

BardaTheHobo.9752:

cheshirefox.7026:

this thread was so incoherent and vague i have no idea what it’s about
you want the male characters to have more feminine armor? {sorry, that was me throwing my best guess out there}

She wants female characters to be able to equip the non skimpy male versions of armor.

See the bolded —

When my female guardian prances around PVP arenas in nothing but an array of bones, held together by what I can only assume to be prehistoric gum, I don’t feel as intimidating and spectacular as I did when I put the same outfit on my male character

Please, please, please make it possible for us females (real life females or those playing one of us in game) to choose between the bikini and bad-a versions of armors.

I love this game, but come on…Arah gear on a female with a skeleton holding their goods..nooo. Please consider an option to equip the “male” version of armors…would you storm into battle with a golden brazier that focuses all of the impact on your sternum…or leap into a brawl wearing a tiny non-skirt and a garter?…No, ArenaNet, you would not…

To the poster, I agree with what you said. Don’t replace the skins just give the alternative, makes everyone happy.

Sounds like a good idea. Thanks for summarizing that, I sure as hell was not gonna read it.

Where’s the thread about armor equality? Can’t find it right now but basically it said that an armor model should be skimpy or not for both genders, so every player has a lot of choice and it’s all equal and good.

I’m a bit too lazy to type out a full length post on this as I have done so many times in the past (in other games as well)

put shortly, I agree.

ahh, ic ic
i always felt my female armor was too skimpy and non-intimidating
i mean, look at how uninspiring this is.. it looks like she is going to the beach rather than deep into the battlefolds of tyria

cheshirefox.7026:

ahh, ic ic
i always felt my female armor was too skimpy and non-intimidating
i mean, look at how uninspiring this is.. it looks like she is going to the beach rather than deep into the battlefolds of tyria

Why can’t I hold all this tongue-in-cheek.

Of course male players don’t complain about not having bikini’s or underwear, because when they want to wear them, they play female characters… which, arguably, are the only ones such clothes would look good on to begin with. If you take away the bikini’s for the female characters then you would start hearing some men complaining, lol.

That aside, your point is rather meek at best, as there are many full body armors for females, with, really the exception being light armor; which is really the sensual class in the game. Certainly it would be bad to bar women for being able to wear manly armor, but as five tenths of the game is aesthetics, it would likewise be a bad idea to remove this sensual type of armor as well. You have to remember, there are many types of players, and this game must tailor to as many different sects as possible. Surely even the female players like a sexy outfit every once and a while.

I suppose the best solution to this would be that not all the sexual armor be light class, but rather to have sensual and practical female armors for each class. But that would be a massive undertaking, requiring them to add a great number of new armors. As, if they simply alter the current sets, there will be many unhappy customers.

I will bump OPs like this every time. Would kill for option to have at least few armors looking like male versions, including Heritage light, Banded, Seer, Phalanx and more… Unfortunately, I think that’s not doable, the only hope is for the future sets being less gender differentiated, less boob cups, less boob windows, less randomly exposed body parts (Priory, OoW heavy).

The latest costume is just…. ugh, I thought Phalanx was bad. My fem asura can run cowered up from head to toe, with awesome animated parts (ribbons), but fem human ends up with a metal thong and her vital parts exposed. Yay.

Play asura, they wear the same armor regardless of gender. Problem solved.

Lorelei.3918:

This is a complaint in the mmo community as old as mmos have been around. Unfortunately it seems most developers think that there are no girls on the internet. To be fair girls aren’t the only minority anet ignores. RPers, Rangers and wvw.community are just as unimportant. The lich armor is kinda weird on girls. If you want BA armor I recommended cof armor + achievement armor. Also dry bones bottom + named exotic top is pretty intimidating. The sorrow dungeon armor is pretty gnarly looking too. Hope this helps!

CoF armor…? BA…?

Aside from the top and shoulders, I think it might be one of the most grotesque armor sets available (at least for human females)… the legs especially.

Purple Miku.7032:

… the most grotesque armor sets…

Fight me.

Yea, coz this armor is totally too skimpy………….
Yet another complain thread for the sake of complaining

There are hardly any skimpy outfits in this game. No, actually having a little bit of skin showing does not count as skimpy.

For reference here are the specific armor sets the OP is talking about:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/28/Grasping_Dead_armor_human_female_front.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/1e/Grasping_Dead_armor_human_male_front.jpg

At least I assume they mean heavy armor since that’s discussed further down and I can’t see many people calling the medium and light Arah armors ‘skimpy’.

Since female heavy armor in general actually has a very good range of options from the entire body completely covered in plate mail (and presumably leather and/or cloth under that) to very revealing (and I’d actually say it’s the revealing end that’s lacking options) I assume this is more about the difference between the male and female versions. Which is also something that’s been discussed many, many times.

The short version is that they could never be completely identical because they have to go on different body types (less so for human and sylvari, very much so for norn, but true either way). They could be more similar but then it disappoints the people who want more variety. No one ever agrees, the thread slowly drifts off-topic into something like sexism and stereotypes in general or wild accusations about individual posters genders and preferences and sooner or later it gets locked or dies out. Then a month or so later the next one starts up.

I wanted to buy male version of assassin armor for my female character, but sadly thats impossible

I’m not sure. Those boobs sure intimidate me!

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Where’s the thread about armor equality? Can’t find it right now but basically it said that an armor model should be skimpy or not for both genders, so every player has a lot of choice and it’s all equal and good.

I think it was originally in the suggestions forum so succumbed to the great forum purge, sadly. ’Twas a good thread.

Great idea but doubt it will happen. Look at most females in the game, look at Jory and Kas and how they portray them. One flirts with everyone to the point where you think she’s slept with most of DR, the other jokes about being naked under her illusion clothing, both are very pretty, their story of coming together was pretty forced and didn’t flow well. But we all know if they had made it two guys, people would have been like EWWW!

This is how game developers are, when it comes to females, they’re either eye candy, getting saved, kissing each other or running around in skimpy armor. Nothing is going to change either, if ever when it comes to gaming.

So the females have big breasts, just like the males have well formed bodies with muscles of steel. Aaand? Who cares, its a video game

The statement that all armor in this game for females is skimpy is simply not true.
Many armors are just different because they are designed to fit the corresponding body.
Why force equalisation where it doesnt make sense. They have way more important things to spend their development time on, the game is doing already very fine in that regard.

-from a female player

Jackums.3496:

Deli.1302:

Yea, coz this armor is totally too skimpy………….
Yet another complain thread for the sake of complaining

Yes, because one set of armor = all sets of armor.
Yet another misinformed, redundant argument to a justified issue.

how do you downvote a post >_>
Anyway, a cosplayer actually replicated the armor used for the opening posters main argument.. not only does it look intimidating, but it’s not skimpy enough to deter an Actual human female from wearing it {and looking absolutely awesome by the way}
As a few posters have already stated, if you play the game for 15 seconds you’ll find that there is an equal amount, if not greater, of bulky non-revealing armor.. and this is across all classes and gender

In my post I was simply asking for both options in skins, especially considering the huge difference in some sets (Arah heavy being a perfect example). I know there are many sets available that aren’t quite as exposing, but please, do they look anywhere near as cool as their male counterparts? Making both skins available would satisfy everyone.

Want to look like you lost half your armor in battle? Ok.

Want to look like you can smash down a wall with the sheer weight of your armor? Great!

At least you have a choice!

I am not looking to start a debate of skimpy versus non-skimpy…I know that will probably never change the way game armors are designed…but I believe having both options available would make this game a lot more interesting to a lot of people.

What about also let us choose to show 1) either left or right shoulder, 2) only left or right shoulder on both shoulder, 3) legging armor to show skin or a pant inside, 4) either left or right glove armor, 5) only left or right glove armor on both hands etc

Personally i loved 50% of arah heavy armor, why? because i like the left shoulder and left glove but i hated the right shoulder and glove. I like the boot but i hated the hands, i like the legging but i hated the chest…. what about all armor parts got options?

See? Everyone has their own armor preferences, if all of our requests being answered, just to modify the game armors’ options can stack over 10000 hours of works.

So what about, stop this armor request and take what we’ve got?

I want furry armour with cute animal tails!

Or just any non-gem medium armours that look cute (exempting Duellist/Sneakthief).

Danikat.8537:

For reference here are the specific armor sets the OP is talking about:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/2/28/Grasping_Dead_armor_human_female_front.jpg
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/images/1/1e/Grasping_Dead_armor_human_male_front.jpg

At least I assume they mean heavy armor since that’s discussed further down and I can’t see many people calling the medium and light Arah armors ‘skimpy’.

Since female heavy armor in general actually has a very good range of options from the entire body completely covered in plate mail (and presumably leather and/or cloth under that) to very revealing (and I’d actually say it’s the revealing end that’s lacking options) I assume this is more about the difference between the male and female versions. Which is also something that’s been discussed many, many times.

The short version is that they could never be completely identical because they have to go on different body types (less so for human and sylvari, very much so for norn, but true either way). They could be more similar but then it disappoints the people who want more variety. No one ever agrees, the thread slowly drifts off-topic into something like sexism and stereotypes in general or wild accusations about individual posters genders and preferences and sooner or later it gets locked or dies out. Then a month or so later the next one starts up.

What in the actual kitten kind of person would EVER use those dyes (human female version)?

That is a terrible picture to use for comparison (I’m not blaming it on you, it’s not your fault lol). The average person is going to immediately favor the male version just because of the disgusting fashion sense the person using the female set has.

bruinen.5706:

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If you want your female to look exactly like a male the solution is already in game: Total Makeover Kit

You are welcome.

Laurelinde.4395:

Pixelpumpkin.4608:

Where’s the thread about armor equality? Can’t find it right now but basically it said that an armor model should be skimpy or not for both genders, so every player has a lot of choice and it’s all equal and good.

I think it was originally in the suggestions forum so succumbed to the great forum purge, sadly. ’Twas a good thread.

Well, bummer. The discussion in it was a lot less one-sided and made some really, really good points, way beyond “this particular female armor is too skimpy” and “well here is one counter example”.

Jackums.3496:

Deli.1302:

Yea, coz this armor is totally too skimpy………….
Yet another complain thread for the sake of complaining

Yes, because one set of armor = all sets of armor.
Yet another misinformed, redundant argument to a justified issue.

There is more than 1 set that cover everything, sure it is not all armor, but it shouldn’t be, cause gasp some of us like the somewhat skimpy armor… and not all of us are male (I’m not). Variation is key, but “prudes” will complain if even 1 armor shows a little skin and attack people that ask for something in the other direction.

I am not sure about making male versions avaiable for female characters… charr and asura are not really all that good an example seeing they don’t have the differences in body structure that humans (and norn and sylvari) have. Now I am not against the idea, more options are always welcome imo.

But in the end what I really want is more armor set, with even more variation in BOTH directions.

wait.. OP is a female irl? wut

Crossaber.8934:

What about also let us choose to show 1) either left or right shoulder, 2) only left or right shoulder on both shoulder, 3) legging armor to show skin or a pant inside, 4) either left or right glove armor, 5) only left or right glove armor on both hands etc

Personally i loved 50% of arah heavy armor, why? because i like the left shoulder and left glove but i hated the right shoulder and glove. I like the boot but i hated the hands, i like the legging but i hated the chest…. what about all armor parts got options?

See? Everyone has their own armor preferences, if all of our requests being answered, just to modify the game armors’ options can stack over 10000 hours of works.

So what about, stop this armor request and take what we’ve got?

It’s not practical but it would be amazing. So many times I’ve found myself thinking ‘if I could have this top without the belt’ or ‘if I could just cut it off at this point it’d be perfect’. Then again when I went from GW1 to GW2 I found it amazing that the tops and shoulders were separate pieces, that alone made a huge difference.

Purple Miku.7032:

What in the actual kitten kind of person would EVER use those dyes (human female version)?

That is a terrible picture to use for comparison (I’m not blaming it on you, it’s not your fault lol). The average person is going to immediately favor the male version just because of the disgusting fashion sense the person using the female set has.

The person who took the screenshot for the Wiki apparently.

Although I have to say for an armor gallery I think it’s useful. It might not be well coordinated but the fact that they chose 3 very different colours makes it easy to see which parts are affected by which dye channel, which is what you really need to know if you’re considering the set for yourself. They’re also light colours which makes it easier to see the pattern on the armor.

Whereas the male version is so dark it’s hard to make out what it actually looks like and I can’t even tell how many dye channels it has. At least two, but possibly 3 because some parts look darker, but that could just be the same dye on different materials.

cheshirefox.7026:

Anyway, a cosplayer actually replicated the armor used for the opening posters main argument.. not only does it look intimidating, but it’s not skimpy enough to deter an Actual human female from wearing it {and looking absolutely awesome by the way}

Sorry but that pic looks photoshopped like crazy.

once anet gets designers that arent’ young men, then the female toons will probably start looking less harem-ish heh

Video game. Not real life. Don’t take it so seriously. I wouldn’t go to battle in a bikini let alone go to battle at all. Characters being too realistic defeats the purpose of “fantasy.” Though, I do very much support the idea of allowing females to wear male armor, and males to wear female armor, I do still believe that people take this matter far too seriously.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Video game. Not real life. Don’t take it so seriously.

I chuckle, because I wish the anti-KasmeerxMarjory crowd could be told this.

Ah armors this time non skimpy, ah armors the most read about and understood subject from the game, ah armors also the most ignored subject by the devs in GW 2’s 2 year history. Yeah kitten that’s gonna happen.

There are some non-skimpy outfits available (the guild armors come to mind). I do think Anet’s a bit narrow minded in their design choice when it comes to female outfits, though some of the recent gemstore stuff was quite nice (trickster for example).

Then again, given that Anet had the guts to add a lesbian couple to the game, I’m still waiting for them to have the guts to openly sexualize a male character by giving them skimpy outfits.

cheshirefox.7026:

Jackums.3496:

Deli.1302:

Yea, coz this armor is totally too skimpy………….
Yet another complain thread for the sake of complaining

Yes, because one set of armor = all sets of armor.
Yet another misinformed, redundant argument to a justified issue.

how do you downvote a post >_>
Anyway, a cosplayer actually replicated the armor used for the opening posters main argument.. not only does it look intimidating, but it’s not skimpy enough to deter an Actual human female from wearing it {and looking absolutely awesome by the way}
As a few posters have already stated, if you play the game for 15 seconds you’ll find that there is an equal amount, if not greater, of bulky non-revealing armor.. and this is across all classes and gender

Doesn’t look intimidating to me in the least. If I were fighting someone in that, I immediately see so many weakpoints. One good slash or arrow at either thigh which are fully revealed, or at her abdnomen which has plenty of showings as well, and she’ll bleed out.

There is a point to be made about armor that reveals skin – in one way it intimidates with the sense of “I don’t need protection!” but this usually works best with lumbering figures – of which, due to the design of female characters in GW2, just about none are (even female norn) – and in another way it would draw the enemy to trying to strike that exposed area, allowing you to better predict where they’ll try to strike, but most armor sets don’t work for that either due to so much skin being exposed you cannot properly predict from that.

I, for one, overall don’t mind skimpy armor. However, some just get silly especially when talking about the armor sets of GW2, the designers talked about balancing “just enough skin with just enough armor”.

ThiBash.5634:

Then again, given that Anet had the guts to add three lesbian couple*s* to the game, I’m still waiting for them to have the guts to openly sexualize a male character by giving them skimpy outfits.

Fixed for you. There’s Caithe/Faolain, Faolain/Sariel, and Kasmeer/Marjory.

This excludes the non-highlighted ones, of which we can see quite a few from sylvari (there’s one talking about her female lover parting ways in the northern end of the Grove, as one wants to explore (herself) while the other doesn’t (her lover)).

And yeah, I honestly don’t get why there aren’t such for males. Particularly amongst the norn cultural armor. It’s a lore plot point for them to be lacking in armor when going into battle – so why is heavy T3 male armor covering them from head to toe with no skin, while heavy T3 female gives plenty of skin and even shows her underwear?

I have been patiently waiting for the gemstore to add an awesome looking light armor for my mesmer – I’m still waiting. I want her to look like she’s ready to kick butt – not go to the ball. It’s very time consuming to make armor that makes female look awe-inspiring.

You have any idea how long it took me to mix and match a medium armor set that made my thief look ready to kill? Quite a while. At least medium armor has several trenchcoat looking designs to pick from, all of which I liked. But it wasn’t the variety that was an issue, it was the designs in general. I’m always jealous of how a male toon looks, because it’s portrayed so well. They have flippin blades hanging everywhere.

The problem I have with the skimpy armour is it’s nearly all about the boobs. I’d prefer to show a bit of thigh but noooope, gotta have silly trousers (looking at you, priory pants and conjurer pants). My favorite leg-showing leg armour is the light Heritage legs, shows a little bit of tasteful thigh. Second to that is the light Zodiac legs paired with a non-revealing chestpiece. I know there’s others that show leg but not nearly as many compared to the boob tops. Need more thigh highs please. I was very disappointed that the ancestral outfit had a huge boob window but no focus on the legs.

But getting back on topic, I agree, there should be some option for females to wear the male versions, as well as more skimpy versions for males :P
Equal skimpiness, for males and females, and for all the body parts, not just boobs.

You know another thing comes to mind. Women don’t exactly wear plated armor in public but they do wear mini skirts, tube tops and other apparel that leaves little to the imagination. Then, when it’s mirrored in a video game suddenly it’s impractical and too revealing?

I understand completely how this subject can be controversial but I don’t understand why the real world seems to slip away in favor of a video game. If anyone wanted to see half naked women they’d have to look no further than their local shopping mall. Stop trying to replace life with video games… Don’t like unrealistic characters? Go outside. Don’t want to go outside? Don’t play a fantasy video game and go be a creep on Second Life. Because everyone knows simulators are just so much better… -Sarcasm-.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You know another thing comes to mind. Women don’t exactly wear plated armor in public but they do wear mini skirts, tube tops and other apparel that leaves little to the imagination. Then, when it’s mirrored in a video game suddenly it’s impractical and too revealing?

Oh come on. You seriously think all women wear that? Right now I’m in jeans and t-shirt. Irl I don’t wear skirts. They’re a nuisance and completely impractical.

I’ve seen guys go out jogging bare-chested, as much as women in mini skirts at the mall. So hello, where is the eye candy for the ladies?

Arikyali.5804:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You know another thing comes to mind. Women don’t exactly wear plated armor in public but they do wear mini skirts, tube tops and other apparel that leaves little to the imagination. Then, when it’s mirrored in a video game suddenly it’s impractical and too revealing?

Oh come on. You seriously think all women wear that? Right now I’m in jeans and t-shirt. Irl I don’t wear skirts. They’re a nuisance and completely impractical.

I’ve seen guys go out jogging bare-chested, as much as women in mini skirts at the mall. So hello, where is the eye candy for the ladies?

Here he is!

Also i gotta say, I’m lucky to live right next to a college where all the boys jog year round with no shirts. It’s a nice life for a cougar like meself. Buahahaha.

We could use more in game eye candy. But I like looking at the females just the same.

I have no issue with skimpy armour in games. I am a girl, and I like to have a variety of my characters showing less and more skin. But I agree with the OP that having the alternative would be nice. However, I think GW2 do the whole ‘covered up’ thing quite well. There are a nice balance of revealing and non-revealing armours in GW2.

The OP was not saying skimpy armour = bad. They were saying that being able to choose which you want would be nice. It would involve some work, but I don’t think it’s impossible.

Arikyali.5804:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

You know another thing comes to mind. Women don’t exactly wear plated armor in public but they do wear mini skirts, tube tops and other apparel that leaves little to the imagination. Then, when it’s mirrored in a video game suddenly it’s impractical and too revealing?

Oh come on. You seriously think all women wear that? Right now I’m in jeans and t-shirt. Irl I don’t wear skirts. They’re a nuisance and completely impractical.

I’ve seen guys go out jogging bare-chested, as much as women in mini skirts at the mall. So hello, where is the eye candy for the ladies?

I have to admit that made me laugh because, very unusually for me I am wearing a skirt (just above knee length, so not quite a mini skirt) and a pretty low cut top and all day I’ve been thinking it’s weird that for some people, including some of my friends, this would be totally normal but I feel 1/2 naked.

On the other hand I wasn’t planning on going into battle today. Unless you count trying to get in and out of the supermarket in less than 30 minutes on a Sunday afternoon. :P

But back to GW2 I’m very much in the camp that says everyone (all races, all genders, all professions) should have a choice of armor sets from full coverage to barely there, with plenty of variety to choose from across the spectrum. I actually think GW2 is pretty good in this respect, the one area I’d say needs more work is skimpy male armor.

Double post to fix broken topic.