Guild Wars 2

I’ve been opening 5 bags a day since they are ((RNG)) based. And still haven’t recieved any mini just useless matz.. and the way wintersday really bombed out this year. Not to mention the gathering tools will give us plenty of useless winterday matz as well. I have hopes to use cobs as a recipe for the forge next year since i have about 20 saved already. It is dissapointing dealing with this since it shouldn’t be this hard to get. I don’t want it to be easy to get but i would rather use a stack of ori/ectos/aw and make it then RNG that isn’t promising.

Making this mini account bound on top of the terrible drop rate was not a good decision. One or the other, but not both. I had to buy the mini polar bear, I never got the drop, but that option doesn’t even exist here.

This is pretty much the “status” mini to me. I can’t get this to drop at all. I’m probably just under 200k bags opened and nothing yet. I’m guessing I’m at or above this amount by having over 2k of each finisher from the bags.

RNG is the best way to reward your fan base for hours of playing…..
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Seriously.

grifflyman.8102:

RNG is the best way to reward your fan base for hours of playing…..
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Seriously.

RNG is the best way to waste your players’ time and leave them disappointed.

Pockets.3201:

grifflyman.8102:

RNG is the best way to reward your fan base for hours of playing…..
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Seriously.

RNG is the best way to waste your players’ time and leave them disappointed.

RNG is the best way to make your players really unhappy… and still keep half of them playing.

Still opening and on to using my third finger cause, OUCH!
And, of course, nothing but crud so far
gg…

Stopped at 4.5k because it’s been completely demoralizing and my fingers hurt. Dev’s be glad I’m not going to Pax East. We’d have a conversation you would not enjoy. Though I would feel a lot better finally getting around the kitten censor

How about put the Candy Corn Gobbler back on the market? At least I’ll have a use for all this darn Candy Corn on my other accts please? I already have every bag slot filled with Halloween pails so I can’t even use it for that either.

DeWolfe.2174:

Stopped at 4.5k because it’s been completely demoralizing and my fingers hurt. Dev’s be glad I’m not going to Pax East. We’d have a conversation you would not enjoy. Though I would feel a lot better finally getting around the kitten censor

Practical joked, Nuked, and Sassed!
I guess this part of your signature came through, thanks to ANet,

I hope this is the last time they do something like this because it’s sad reading stories like yours.

Thank you, I just opened 690 Divine Envelopes (buy/open/sell/buy more cycles) and made a little gold out of it. So between all the Trick or Treat bags and Envelopes I was able to raise my magic find over the past 10 days by 15%. So I don’t have my mini but, made a little account wide progress. Of course, for those at 300% and trying for the mini, they are certainly losing out big.

Dev’s, it’s pretty simple, I’m much rather be playing content and having fun. Instead, I spent an entire evening sitting idle and opening bags. This RNG is for the birds. So how about kindly unkittening your RNG.

TY for noticing my signiture too. It’s actually a nod to some of my fellow WvW Quarrians

And still there’s no dev response on this. Figures.

Wow . . . you opened 4.5K trick or treat bags and still didn’t get the mini? That’s just nuts.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Wow . . . you opened 4.5K trick or treat bags and still didn’t get the mini? That’s just nuts.

There were people that opened over 200k bags with no result, you know.
And yes, it’s completely nuts.

Astralporing.1957:

And still there’s no dev response on this. Figures.

Well, Gaile Gray said (page 7)
“One of our statisticians just checked the drop rate, and there is no error in the drop rate — it truly is dropping as designed.”

So they deliberately and with planning aforethought made this a 1:200,000 drop.

Imo, what was more important to them than having a lot of happy, satisfied people with a new minipet was keeping the value of the container stable by providing a reason for people to buy literally hundreds of thousands.

Economics trumps happiness in Guild Wars 2.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Wow . . . you opened 4.5K trick or treat bags and still didn’t get the mini? That’s just nuts.

Since Halloween, I’ve open well over 100k bags. This was just the latest batch I tried my luck at. Originally there was someone whom posted they open 1.2 million. Which is an extreme ouch! I’m just surprised at 4.5k nothing of rarity at all. No Zuzu or tonics, etc. All I received was flat out vendor material, candy corn, and essence of luck. This is why I have such low expectation from the expansion. As it’ll likely be filled with more unobtainium.

Maybe someone should make one of these themed for ToT bags too…..
http://seemslegit.dk/precursors/

So… here I am staring at another 20 slot bag filled with stacks of Trick or Treat bags. I think I may need a mini intervention.

So I stopped again at 4,500 bags opened. The side of my screen is still scrolling items and it’s probably been 20 minutes after stopping. Of course, I received nothing but vendor trash really. The only thing of value was the 30 t6 mats. That and the 93,000+ Candy Corn. GG, lucky I’m an altoholic and have some storage capacity.

What’s interesting is the Dev’s are all about the expansion and the Revenant. Meanwhile, I’m like “who cares?” when I’m still trying to finish something from 4 months ago.

Don’t store the candy corn, convert them to cobs with Sondar the Seller in Lion’s Arch and sell those. You can get about half your gold back from a stack of bags if you actually sell back what you get.

That’s really crazy, DeWolfe. So glad I didn’t spend money on the trick or treat bags now. Seems like all tricks. Still, I’m hopeful we can just buy the mini next year with corn cobs. Kinda like we did with the Tom mini.

Well . . . here’s to hoping.

Good luck getting that mini again. At this point, if it were me, I’d have toss the towel.

Some of you may want to call that 1-800 number at the bottom of all the billboards for casinos.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I’m happy to post what I know, but some is reiteration:

• A dev checked the drop rate and the item did drop and continues to drop at the anticipated rate. Actually, he said it was dropping a little more generously than anticipated, but at no time was it dropping a less than the planned rate.
• The Candy Corn recipe was created simply to give someone with two Gwynefrydds the option to make something from the second, since they are bound to an account and therefore cannot be sold, given, traded, etc. Sure, I agree, it’s not a recipe I’d take advantage of, personally, but was, again, offered as an option if someone were inclined to use it.
• We don’t know (or at least I believe no one yet knows) future plans for this festive pooch. You can be assured that the devs have seen your feedback about this rare item but Wintersday is a long way away and there are other things closer on the horizon.

It’s not that we don’t know that it’s dropping at its intended rate. We know that it is, that’s not the point. The point is people feel that the intended rate is far too low for a Holliday minipet and that the low drop rate is causing way more frustration than should be in a game for a minipet that so many want and is so unobtainable unless you are rich in game. The need to be rich to get this item also fuels the accusation that ANet does this sort of thing to promote buying gems with real money to buy gold. True or not, it causes bad feelings about ANet’s motives.

The low drop rate gives the impression that ANet is more concerned about metrics and the economy (that the trick or treat bags have a reason for people to buy large numbers so that prices don’t bottom out) than they are concerned with people walking away from the Holliday with a happy smile on their faces.

So, one in 200000 was an intended drop rate. Good grief, you have learned nothing from the mini polar bear minipet debacle of GW1. And that one could at least be bought…

Gaile Gray.6029:

I’m happy to post what I know, but some is reiteration:

• A dev checked the drop rate and the item did drop and continues to drop at the anticipated rate. Actually, he said it was dropping a little more generously than anticipated, but at no time was it dropping a less than the planned rate.

more generously than anticipated sounds like mockery to me :/

I am not going to open ten thousands of bags which contain what feels like 99,999% of worthless junk

Malediktus.3740:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I’m happy to post what I know, but some is reiteration:

• A dev checked the drop rate and the item did drop and continues to drop at the anticipated rate. Actually, he said it was dropping a little more generously than anticipated, but at no time was it dropping a less than the planned rate.

more generously than anticipated sounds like mockery to me :/

I am not going to open ten thousands of bags which contain what feels like 99,999% of worthless junk

Gotta keep people grinding that content for stuff, even for things that have little to no effect on the game. The longer it takes the more value the game has, right?

So, Gaile, about that mini-dragon?

Gaile Gray.6029:

Actually, he said it was dropping a little more generously than anticipated

So I guess it really hasn’t been a mistake. The mini Gwyn really is designed to be the supreme status item in game. It’s certainly explains why it’s, on average, the single most expensive item to obtain in game.

Shayne Hawke.9160:

your verbal objection is void.

Customer feedback is required for a business model to prosper. If players started simply playing less and paying less, how would Anet know the reason’s for such behavior? As I previously posted, they should also know the effects it’s having on their future. Because design’s like this mini’s acquisition can in fact diminish the games value proposition. It actually sours the customer relationship toward being adversarial. Of course, they are some whom appreciate this design as they’ve been asking for items of prestige. Being the most expensive item in game, this mini certainly fills that.

I decided on going for this mini before the drop rates were researched. If this was referred to as a “Legendary” mini in the patch notes I would have likely not given it consideration. Though, since I did decide to go for it, I set aside some time and resources for making pushes at this goal. I’m speaking up now as I’m doing one of these pushes. To express to the dev’s the poor experience I’m having as I’m doing it in the moment. Speaking of that, another 1300 bags opened last night, no mini. The only reason that keeps me “ok” with doing this is the amount of essence of luck that drops from ToT bags is high.

OH! that reminds me of an idea I had. Hey Gaile, may I ask for something? How about repurposing the festivals “Lucky Envelope” fireworks effects into craftable “Lucky Fireworks”? As they are labelled they are crafted out of nothing but Essence of Luck. It’ll finally give players with 300 something to do with the spare Essence of Luck. Hmm…. I’ll make a new thread on this idea too.

DeWolfe.2174:

Speaking of that, another 1300 bags opened last night, no mini.

This is your customer feedback. The fact is that you are happy to pay to prostrate yourself over this kind of RNG. The rest of your post before that is just a long list of excuses you give others and yourself to deny any responsibility on your part to walk away from such bad odds.

Well . . . this went in a direction that wasn’t cool.

Shayne Hawke.9160:

DeWolfe.2174:

Speaking of that, another 1300 bags opened last night, no mini.

This is your customer feedback. The fact is that you are happy to pay to prostrate yourself over this kind of RNG. The rest of your post before that is just a long list of excuses you give others and yourself to deny any responsibility on your part to walk away from such bad odds.

Except this works exactly once. Because if you don’t get the “item” even after going on a massive spending binge, then you will be far less likely to participate in the next such “event”.

This is webgame approach – “we do not care if our players will burn out fast and leave, we’re counting on high retention, and constant influx of new, unsuspecting sheep to fleece”. Doesn’t work that well in games aiming at keeping players for a long term.

In my case, I had some suspicions, so i waited till other people started reporting their finds. Once i realized the rng level, i gave up on bags completely (while, if the rng level was better, my completionist nature might have pushed me into farming it).

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Well . . . this went in a direction that wasn’t cool.

What do you mean, exactly? It seems to me that the way Gwynefyrdd was set up to be obtained violates a cardinal principle; if it’s not fun, it shouldn’t be in the game. I don’t think the people who are wearing out their mice and index fingers and spending thousands of gold to try to get this mini are really having any fun. It does seem like a validation of the old dictum that, at times like these, the only winning move is not to play.

joe.7684:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Well . . . this went in a direction that wasn’t cool.

What do you mean, exactly? It seems to me that the way Gwynefyrdd was set up to be obtained violates a cardinal principle; if it’s not fun, it shouldn’t be in the game. I don’t think the people who are wearing out their mice and index fingers and spending thousands of gold to try to get this mini are really having any fun. It does seem like a validation of the old dictum that, at times like these, the only winning move is not to play.

That was a response to a post that was deleted by a moderator.

I think the game should have stuff that can only be obtained a few people. I don’t like making limited-supply items account bound, though: if the game makes it nearly impossible to obtain, then allow the lucky folks to trade it. Oontz necklaces have about the same drop rate, but you can salvage their poly-luminescent jewels and sell them.

That said, I don’t mind the fact that mini-gwyne is unobtainable for love or money (or near enough as makes no difference): no matter how cool/cute it is, it’s a skin for a single mini and having it (or not) doesn’t make the overall game more (or less) fun for me. If I didn’t enjoy playing the game and opening ToT bags, increasing the drop rate on that one mini wouldn’t make any difference. At least, not to me.

Shayne Hawke.9160:

DeWolfe.2174:

Speaking of that, another 1300 bags opened last night, no mini.

This is your customer feedback. The fact is that you are happy to pay….

Wow, so salty. I’d go as far as saying too salty on the subject. For the “happy to pay” portion, I have not purchased gems for this endeavor. ToT bags are presently the quickest and most efficient way for me to obtain Essence of Luck. Once I cap it though, then the value in this will hit the floor.

Pretty sure I’m around the 200k bags opened now, last mini I need, it’s really ridiculous how rare this thing is, probably could have bought a legendary with the money I’ve wasted on this so far.

u should really un account bound this mini and the black lion mini…….cause right not im going to be like that dog and take a crap when anything is account bound and have no trading post access.

oh wow I’ve opened tens of thousands more bag in the last 2 days, I’ve converted 6000 gems to gold and spent it all on tot bags and lost it all. I don’t even know how many I’ve opened now. The only consolation prize is maxing out the 300% magic find, now it’s going to feel even worse wasting all this gold getting absolutely nothing back. Seriously, this is the only mini I’m missing. RNG hates me.

I know this is and old post, but couldnt find anything more recent and didnt want to create a new subject on the matter.

So I have now opened atleast 200k bags and have made some (puts on tinfoil hat) observations. But first the list of rare drops i have gotten so far

4 Amulet’s (2 black 2 orange)
2 Gift’s (both moon)
30+ zuzu cats, sold most on AH and gave some away
20+ Tonic’s
226 Charged Qartz Crystal’s (would say you get around 1-2 per 1k bags)
6 bank pages of ascended mats + 50 bars of each
Have probably destroyed as much ascended mats as i have kept
Single handedly crashed the market on Candy Corn Cob and Maize Balm
Alot of T6 mats
And gotten to max magic find from 150

My conclusion is (got my tinfoil hat on now) that i do believe there is some sort of DR on the super rare drops (amulets and gifts, and maybe gwyn if it even drops still?)
I have never once gotten 1 of these rare drops twice in a single sitting, they have always been spaced out by 1-2 days atleast.
Considering i have gone nuts in the beginning when a amulet dropped and opened 10-20k bags in 1 sitting a couple of times it just seems weird to me. So thinking you can only fall into that super rare bracket once in a given period?

Never had any intention of opening this many bags, but the nice spread of amulet drops (they sell for 700-900 gold each) made me go a little nuts, and maxing my mf in the meanwhile was a nice bonus.
So for now ill drop playing this casino wars game and maybe just open 1k bags now and then when i feel bored, in hopes for a puppy or amulet

PS. Would like to know if any1 have actually gotten a puppy drop lately?

Trick or treat bags are cheaper than ever. If you want the puppy now is as good a time as any to try for it. There seems to be an infinite supply of halloween items, people opening 100k bags doesn’t even make the market wiggle.

At 4 silver each it will cost 8000 gold to buy the average of 200k bags.

Thanks but no thanks.

I have opened 200 stacks in the past 2 days (100 stacks each day) and still no mini puppy.
Since Halloween I have opened well over 700 stacks…

I don’t know what to do at this point, Just opening the stacks itself takes almost all of my play time, Can someone please confirm if they have recently got the mini puppy?
Or am I just wasting gold?

Wow. I can’t believe people are still opening/farming bags for that mini. That should tell ANet something if nothing else.

The drop rate is super low. There’s no particular reason to expect a mini puppy ever, no matter how many bags you open.

As I’ve said before, I think drop rates should either be high enough that anyone opening a stack (or even 50 stacks) should be likely to get an item or tradeable. The special amulets have a tiny drop rate, too, but those can be acquired on the TP; I don’t see any reason for the rarer item (mini ghost dog) to be account-bound.

Alternatively, they could include some sort of scrap system, so that people opening 1,000s of bags at least can feel that they are making progress, rather than have it be completely random.

I’ve curtailed my desire for this a bit but, I’m still at it. On my Feb 18th post, I said I was over 2k for each of the finishers from the ToT bags. I’m now at 5.6k and 5.3k for them. So I’ve opened twice as many as I had opened up to that point in Feb.

I like the idea of a scrap system that at least I can slowly build toward it. I also like the idea of it being outright tradeable. I never understood the reasoning behind it being account bound.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

The drop rate is super low. There’s no particular reason to expect a mini puppy ever, no matter how many bags you open.

I tend to agree on this, just gonna go buy some lottery tickets instead to please my gambling need
Atleast im up to 5 amulet’s now

After 8 months opening uncounted trick & treat bags (maybe like 300k-400k opened) on this wonderful morning i finally got my Mini Gwynefyrdd. Never thought i could get one… sometimes i got mad about all the bullkitten opening and selling a hell of stuff, but finally got the little ghostwolf. Good luck to all others still looking for the mini!

Honestly, what baffles me is that with such a low droprate, people consider that they could farm for this item.

Isn’t it very obvious that it’s not intended to be farmed. It might be a lucky drop. Hooray, you got lucky.

It’s genuinely a bit like lottery. If you try to “farm” the big win lottery, you’re stupid. Sorry. That’s a simple fact. However, individually you could buy a single ticket and hey, if you won more power to you, grats.

There are items intended to be farmed (Carapace pieces come to mind). There are items intended to exist as lucky bonus drops (like this one). Don’t try to force one to be the other, you don’t control dropchances.

Carighan.6758:

Honestly, what baffles me is that with such a low droprate, people consider that they could farm for this item.

Isn’t it very obvious that it’s not intended to be farmed. It might be a lucky drop. Hooray, you got lucky.

Semabtics people doesn’t want to farm it they want to drop only ONE of it.

Carighan.6758:

It’s genuinely a bit like lottery. If you try to “farm” the big win lottery, you’re stupid. Sorry. That’s a simple fact. However, individually you could buy a single ticket and hey, if you won more power to you, grats.

That’s not farming an item than trying to get ONE of it.

Carighan.6758:

There are items intended to be farmed (Carapace pieces come to mind). There are items intended to exist as lucky bonus drops (like this one). Don’t try to force one to be the other, you don’t control dropchances.

The only other item that have such a stupid absurdly low drop rate like that than come to my mind is precursor.
That’s bullkitten; at least precursor aren’t account bound, you can also buy them on Trading post.
You’re right; we can’t control the dropchance but having an account bound item with suchh drop rate is STUPID