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There are over 1700 votes now, and trends so far are the same.

Aye… I hav sorta predicted some of the results but PVE and thiefs? that was unexpected.

Conncept.7638:

Leo G.4501:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Leo G.4501:

SkyChef.5432:

Erasculio.2914:

OP, the issue with your poll is that it was done right after a huge nerf to rangers. It’s only to be expected that people would have a knee-jerk reaction and claim rangers are the world profession in the game.

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That’s a speculation w/ confirmation bias undertone and no statistical importance attached to it. Secondly, you assume 45% of people voting out of 1500 voters are emotional less stable than you. Which I think you take yourself too seriously.
The OP could enhance his survey to cover that but ranger class was considered a poor class in dungeons and other contents even before the Search & Rescue fixed.

Please don’t pretend this poll proves anything. What you’re basically looking at is ‘forum consensus’ which is hardly analytical. And it’s not even the full forum consensus, just those that feel limited internet polls provide any statistical integrity.

I don’t think the results would be much different if the poll were conducted purely in game or on GW2G or reddit.

And what do you think you gain from gathering bias opinions?

Aren’t opinions, by definition, biased?

A bias is defined as prejudice in an unjust light. One should strive for unbiased opinion or at least express that one is being biased.

But there are several things that leave the poll unreliable:

1. You can vote as much as you want and skew the overall votes.

2. ‘Worst’ isn’t defined. Is it offensiveness? Defensiveness? Versatility? Concept? Aesthetics? Fun factor?

3. No background or processing of the votes. I could vote for Necromancer as worst in PvE because of the state of stacking conditions hindering their specialty, but then I’ve never played Necro and am basing my opinion on inexperience and ignorance.

4. Not everyone plays every part of the game.

5. The game just underwent large changes that changed the effectiveness of the professions.

I’ve got no problem with people taking a poll for fun and posting the results, but again, you can’t really expect it to be held as a significant data point.

Leo G.4501:

Conncept.7638:

Leo G.4501:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Leo G.4501:

SkyChef.5432:

Erasculio.2914:

OP, the issue with your poll is that it was done right after a huge nerf to rangers. It’s only to be expected that people would have a knee-jerk reaction and claim rangers are the world profession in the game.

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That’s a speculation w/ confirmation bias undertone and no statistical importance attached to it. Secondly, you assume 45% of people voting out of 1500 voters are emotional less stable than you. Which I think you take yourself too seriously.
The OP could enhance his survey to cover that but ranger class was considered a poor class in dungeons and other contents even before the Search & Rescue fixed.

Please don’t pretend this poll proves anything. What you’re basically looking at is ‘forum consensus’ which is hardly analytical. And it’s not even the full forum consensus, just those that feel limited internet polls provide any statistical integrity.

I don’t think the results would be much different if the poll were conducted purely in game or on GW2G or reddit.

And what do you think you gain from gathering bias opinions?

Aren’t opinions, by definition, biased?

A bias is defined as prejudice in an unjust light. One should strive for unbiased opinion or at least express that one is being biased.

But there are several things that leave the poll unreliable:

1. You can vote as much as you want and skew the overall votes.

2. ‘Worst’ isn’t defined. Is it offensiveness? Defensiveness? Versatility? Concept? Aesthetics? Fun factor?

3. No background or processing of the votes. I could vote for Necromancer as worst in PvE because of the state of stacking conditions hindering their specialty, but then I’ve never played Necro and am basing my opinion on inexperience and ignorance.

4. Not everyone plays every part of the game.

5. The game just underwent large changes that changed the effectiveness of the professions.

I’ve got no problem with people taking a poll for fun and posting the results, but again, you can’t really expect it to be held as a significant data point.

1. Out of ~1700 votes, I do not think a handful of people voting multiple times is going to make a statistically significant difference. I can’t think of anyone who would seriously be interested in wasting their time voting over and over and over again. If I really wanted to, I could look over every single one of the 1700 votes so far to see if they were submitted by the same user but that does not appear to be the case.

2. “Worst” is generally understood as weakest performing and this is obvious to the vast majority of people taking the poll.

3. I don’t quite get that point.

4. There is an “I don’t know” option for that.

5. True.

I think the community’s perception of class balance (which in this case appears to be strong) is an important thing for developers to consider.

I’ve played a Ranger since the beginning of Guild Wars 1, and I can say that Rangers have consistently declined in strength over my time in GW1 and now in GW2. After being the best Ranger ever in PvP/PvE for GW1, Anet tossed a few nerfs my way, but I shrugged them off with no problems. This happened a few more times (at least 15 more times), and I instantly realized that I actually really sucked. I stuck through though until I reached GW2, and then created a Ranger here. I enjoyed most of my time until I saw that Anet was going for the same thing they did in GW1: slowly degenerating the Ranger class into a non-existent pile of garbage. I have played Engineer, Mesmer, Thief, and Ranger, and I can tell you in all honesty that Rangers take the cake for the worst class in GW2.

im amazed at the first answer; ranger and thief are ridiculously good at open world pve… it must be the event farmers answering?

i voted:
mesmer
ranger
balanced (LB ranger with piecring arrows can put a lot of hurt on a zerg and tag a ton; and i love charging in with swoop>entangle>LR back to my zerg whilst watching those i entangled get melted… then theres the long duration water field with regen and cleansing; almost put thief… but then i realised good thieves can abuse zergs for C+D fodder, SR groups for stealth attacks and blast finisher spam in water/fire/lightning fields)
balanced (couldnt think of anything at a serious disadvantage but staff ele.. which could easily swap to a diff weapon when not zerging)
warrior

Linguistically Inept.6583:

im amazed at the first answer; ranger and thief are ridiculously good at open world pve… it must be the event farmers answering?

i voted:
mesmer
ranger
balanced (LB ranger with piecring arrows can put a lot of hurt on a zerg and tag a ton; and i love charging in with swoop>entangle>LR back to my zerg whilst watching those i entangled get melted… then theres the long duration water field with regen and cleansing; almost put thief… but then i realised good thieves can abuse zergs for C+D fodder, SR groups for stealth attacks and blast finisher spam in water/fire/lightning fields)
balanced (couldnt think of anything but staff ele)
warrior

In what world are Rangers good in PvE? I want to live there, because I really want to like Rangers, but Anet is determined to make it a non-existent class in this game. Their dps is substantially lower than every other class in the game. It’s even lower than an Engineer’s which is very low to begin with.

TheKillerAngel.3596:

1. Out of ~1700 votes, I do not think a handful of people voting multiple times is going to make a statistically significant difference. I can’t think of anyone who would seriously be interested in wasting their time voting over and over and over again. If I really wanted to, I could look over every single one of the 1700 votes so far to see if they were submitted by the same user but that does not appear to be the case.

You underestimate the resources and boredom of people on the internet. Someone could throw a hundred or so votes out easy and you wouldn’t be able to tell.

2. “Worst” is generally understood as weakest performing and this is obvious to the vast majority of people taking the poll.

And you overestimate the fickleness of people that take random internet polls. Even people discussing on forums cannot differentiate the difference between ‘performance’ and ‘optimization’. For instance, I balk at the notion that Rangers perform ‘worst’ in open world PvE when they can literally roll over group events and champions far easier than a Guardian, Elementalist or Mesmer would be capable of. When it comes to performance, a Ranger can accomplish most content with high reliability. However, that doesn’t mean ‘fastest’ as I’m sure a Warrior well versed in the enemy’s pattern can kill group content and champions over the course of their leveling process at a decent clip but it requires trial and error (i.e. dying). The very same group content or champ, a Ranger can solo on the first try and is far less likely to be killed when on their own or even in groups.

3. I don’t quite get that point.

Lots of people who vote for Ranger in PvP likely have little experience as a Ranger. A trap Ranger is quite viable but people that don’t play one wouldn’t know. It’s similar to #4 in that not everyone plays every profession nor to the degree they would play their chosen favorite.

4. There is an “I don’t know” option for that.

Did you tally up and report on the “I don’t know”s? I highly doubt the majority of people taking the poll have enough personal experience to make a well informed opinion on what is bad. Which leads to the last point…

I think the community’s perception of class balance (which in this case appears to be strong) is an important thing for developers to consider.

It is important…to a limited degree. About as limited as asking what people’s opinion is for the worst color to decide which dyes should be introduced in the game.

the thread loses its credibility when says that thief, one of the best dungeon professions is the second worst.

Now i know that ranger is bad due to insane dps from mobs shotting pets.

But the thief class just suffers being the easiest class in www becoming an high ceiling skill class in PvE where is the 3rd best class after the OP Guardians and warriors.

They have access to everything they have huge healing burst, they are awesome ressers they do dps and have also reflect wall and perma blind.
WHile having SR and other stuff that are better than portal in PvE.

What else should a class have?

P.S. i read now tha thieves are bad also in WWW
this proves a point about thief players posting on the forum ……

I was expected thieves to get quite a few votes on the PVE scale of things, but IMO they really aren’t that bad in PVE.

I have a level 80 thief myself, and have two sets that I use: full carrion and full zerker. The condi thief recently got a buff, thanks to increased pistol bounce, reduced initiative on death blossom, and torment. Seriously, I can maintain 25 stacks in an AoE without +duration food on my thief now, which makes him the fastest and most reliable bleed applier when compared to my necro (who applies long lasting bleeds slowly) and my engineer (who applies bleeds randomly).

The zerker thief is really good against anything that isn’t a champion. I use sword/pistol + shortbow while zerking it, and I can spam a blind field that lets me face-tank nearly every enemy in the game. Then I can just auto attack with the sword to do a ton of damage, and pistol whip to interrupt attacks that might be troublesome. This also has great support for the team, keeping the front line permanently blinded. When that won’t work, I can swap to the shortbow for spammable blast finishers as well as bouncing projectiles that do quite a bit of damage.

The thief also has some good support skills. It is hard to trait for, but Venomous aura + skale venom is incredibly effective at stacking torment. Shadow refuge is great for rezzing downed players and skipping troublesome parts, and is also the only non-necro dark field. Smoke Screen makes for a handy projectile stopping barrier, and though it doesn’t reflect is can also blind enemies continually that are standing inside of it. When taking aggro they can use Dagger Storm to reflect projectiles, and they can easily pull enemies with Scorpion Wire. Any /P thief can spam headshot to remove stacks of defiant, making champions a whole lot easier to control. Thieves also can get some nice support skills in the trickery line. I personally like to combine Thrill of the Crime with Bountiful Theft on my condi thief, so each time I steal it is an AoE Might + Vigor + Fury + Swifthness + whatever boons stole from my target. This is even more awesome now that steal has had it’s recharge reduced.

All in all, I say that a thief has a lot to contribute in PVE. What I do think, however, is that most players who play a thief do not consider this, and instead spend their whole time trying to backstab to get big, beefy numbers.

Good job OP!

Just voted, and didn’t look at the results beforehand. So happens my voting followed the overall results pattern! I don’t do PvP, so went with “I don’t know” for that one.

Been playing a ranger since game launch, and it has become a dreadful class to play. It is not yet the worse in open PvE, but will soon be once anet finishes ‘balancing’ .

As for the ‘knee-jerk’ reactions, rangers have been crap and getting worse for months now. Any poll taken within the last 6 months would have had the same results.

I find it funny how people are all jumping to support that dungeons 1-shot all pets and there’s nothing we can do about it. That is certainly a problem in mid-high level fractals but in regular dungeons, it’s easy to keep pets alive with minimal assistance. Ranger can even solo dungeons thanks to tanky pets.

I have leveled an Elementalist, Warrior and Thief to 80 and I’m in the process of leveling a Ranger now. I’m only level 46 so it’s early days yet, but so far it appears to be the strongest class I’ve played. I’m killing things in half the time it takes me to kill things with the other classes. I had no intention of making a Ranger my main but I really love the class. If they can make it even better then great but I just can’t see why it’s considered a weak class at PvE.

false.
In most dungeons bosses just have an irreasonable damage that is known to be the base of dungeon designs flaws in this game.

All the game is about evading stuff…pets don t evade.

I think what this poll really showed us, is how defensive people can get when their class is ‘called out’ as being a poopy one.

Conclusion: Nerf warriors, buff rangers in pve. Split pve/pvp.

I have played a ranger through GW1 and now GW2 as well.

IMO, they should make pets optional like how they were in GW1. They should tie into traits. If I spec for pets my dps should suffer slightly. If I don’t spec for pets all my dps should be in my bow. Just like GW1.

At the VERY LEAST, let me hide my pet in combat.

LordByron.8369:

false.
In most dungeons bosses just have an irreasonable damage that is known to be the base of dungeon designs flaws in this game.

All the game is about evading stuff…pets don t evade.

You’re telling me ‘false’ when my gameplay says otherwise. Besides Lupicus and Alpha (less so on Alpha), my pets don’t just die…and this was before they buffed their toughness and HP.

Look! More falseness:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SDuoU5EUco

Should i even answer a cof1 video?

What about first boss in arah dealing 50K damage? and what about ac?
or and try to send your pet in TA.

Well wasting time on this forum as Always.

P.S. i DON T play ranger

LordByron.8369:

Should i even answer a cof1 video?

What about first boss in arah dealing 50K damage? and what about ac?
or and try to send your pet in TA.

Well wasting time on this forum as Always.

P.S. i DON T play ranger

What about them? Sorry, no one’s made videos of pets soloing those dungeons.

I’ve taken my Ranger in those dungeons and my pet didn’t just die.

Torpian.9142:

I have leveled an Elementalist, Warrior and Thief to 80 and I’m in the process of leveling a Ranger now. I’m only level 46 so it’s early days yet, but so far it appears to be the strongest class I’ve played. I’m killing things in half the time it takes me to kill things with the other classes. I had no intention of making a Ranger my main but I really love the class. If they can make it even better then great but I just can’t see why it’s considered a weak class at PvE.

If you’re killing things quicker with a Ranger than a Warrior then you were playing your Warrior wrong.

Azure Prower.8701:

I find it amusing people think Thieves are the worst open world PVE class.

hehe well, as George Carlin said:

“One can never know for sure what a deserted area looks like.”
and also
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

Replace “stupid” with something less insulting, that fits our context, if you will.

Leo G.4501:

LordByron.8369:

Should i even answer a cof1 video?

What about first boss in arah dealing 50K damage? and what about ac?
or and try to send your pet in TA.

Well wasting time on this forum as Always.

P.S. i DON T play ranger

What about them? Sorry, no one’s made videos of pets soloing those dungeons.

I’ve taken my Ranger in those dungeons and my pet didn’t just die.

no player can survive most boss Attacks.

Thus no pet can unless pets have 50K HP but even there they would not survive long enough.

Testing that stuff is what made me prefer a shorter CD on phantasm instead of hard hitting 7-10K HP ones

Erasculio.2914:

OP, the issue with your poll is that it was done right after a huge nerf to rangers. It’s only to be expected that people would have a knee-jerk reaction and claim rangers are the world profession in the game.

Ezeriel.9574:

For-the-love-of-god, Anet, give people the ability to store away those dull, boring, uninspired pets.

That’s more or less the same as removing rangers from the game and replacing them with warriors. ArenaNet should fix how the pets work, not remove one of the very few elements unique to rangers (with the other being spirits, which, well…).

Leaving aside the fact that this still gives archery fans who dislike pets nowhere to go, ANet has tried to fix pets for three years and failed abysmally. Besides, rangers would still be a medium armor class that uses evasion and mobility to compensate for lower armor, and they would be the only medium armor class good at protracted melee combat (the thief’s initiative mechanic makes it more bursty; even in open PVE, I often find myself using a hit-and-run style of combat with thief). That’s like calling mesmers thieves simply because both have the stealth/deceit/dueling theme with teleportation/shadow stepping.

Interesting. People saying the ranger is the weakest makes me want to level one up just for the challenge. Thanks for doing this poll and for posting the summary.

Thief is the worst for open world exploration…? Umm….what?

Leo G.4501:

I find it funny how people are all jumping to support that dungeons 1-shot all pets and there’s nothing we can do about it. That is certainly a problem in mid-high level fractals but in regular dungeons, it’s easy to keep pets alive with minimal assistance. Ranger can even solo dungeons thanks to tanky pets.

It’s actually less of an issue in FOTM. I’m more worried about my pet dying in Arah or Aetherblades than in FOTM. Fractals/Arah were actually well designed, though, unlike Aetherblades. The living story team is awful at dungeon content. They should stick to simple escort missions and bashing dragon pinatas because apparently that’s all they’re good at.

Anyone that plays all the classes can note that there is an evident difference between several of them. The ranger being at the bottom of the barrel is common knowledge for most. Along with necro minions, pets have a distinct disadvantage when it comes to certain game mechanics where foes gain buffs/skills on hits. Since the ranger really does not allow for us to adjust for this discrepancy it only adds to the list of why it is currently where it stands.

I can only imagine that those who do not see the differences or advocate there isn’t such a thing either main a ranger or have not played all of the classes enough to make a educated consensus of their own.

All this shows is that people’s experience of the game differs according to personal taste, talents, experiences and playstyles. I’m not at all surprised that the Thief came out as one of the worst in open world PvE – that runs similar to my own experiences. Ranger, for me, is one of the best. So what?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

I think what this poll really showed us, is how defensive people can get when their class is ‘called out’ as being a poopy one.

Ha, true. I’ve leveled 5 classes to 80 (war, guard, mes, thief, ranger) working on an engineer and I have some disagreement with the results but there are valid arguments behind them.

Ezeriel.9574:

Necro (conditions, ’cause they never last any time at all)

you didn’t stack duration much did you? Some of my bleeds tick consistently for over a minute ^^

Galtrix.7369:

In what world are Rangers good in PvE? I want to live there, because I really want to like Rangers, but Anet is determined to make it a non-existent class in this game. Their dps is substantially lower than every other class in the game. It’s even lower than an Engineer’s which is very low to begin with.

I’ll take my ranger’s single target DPS over my ele’s single target DPS any day.

gassy.8975:

Interesting. People saying the ranger is the weakest makes me want to level one up just for the challenge. Thanks for doing this poll and for posting the summary.

It’s mob mentality. Ranger keeps getting nerfed every patch because when it’s played well at the top level it’s as good if not stronger than most of the other professions. The class, however, can be played very poorly much like a thief.

Peetee.9406:

Galtrix.7369:

In what world are Rangers good in PvE? I want to live there, because I really want to like Rangers, but Anet is determined to make it a non-existent class in this game. Their dps is substantially lower than every other class in the game. It’s even lower than an Engineer’s which is very low to begin with.

I’ll take my rangers single target DPS over my ele’s single target DPS any day.

It’s not that low if you factor in traits and the pet. It’s actually pretty close to the rest of the professions. But if the pet dies in pve…

easiest way to solve the pet issue in content that doesnt allow pets to survive is a toggle ability that stows pet and boosts damage, say by 30%

or make trait that caters to non pet playstyle, I’d put it in the beastermaster tree
example trait:

Loner – Increase damage with all skills by 20%, all stat bonuses applied by beastmaster allotted points apply to the ranger instead. Pets are Disabled

I see the stow being the easier of the two

Galtrix.7369:

Linguistically Inept.6583:

im amazed at the first answer; ranger and thief are ridiculously good at open world pve… it must be the event farmers answering?

i voted:
mesmer
ranger
balanced (LB ranger with piecring arrows can put a lot of hurt on a zerg and tag a ton; and i love charging in with swoop>entangle>LR back to my zerg whilst watching those i entangled get melted… then theres the long duration water field with regen and cleansing; almost put thief… but then i realised good thieves can abuse zergs for C+D fodder, SR groups for stealth attacks and blast finisher spam in water/fire/lightning fields)
balanced (couldnt think of anything but staff ele)
warrior

In what world are Rangers good in PvE? I want to live there, because I really want to like Rangers, but Anet is determined to make it a non-existent class in this game. Their dps is substantially lower than every other class in the game. It’s even lower than an Engineer’s which is very low to begin with.

no; ranger actually has high dps when you factor in the pet (or did… not sure how bad this last patch hit) which makes them amazing in open world pve (except for event farming) as well as providing other perks (aggro magnet; meaning you can easily grab a chest/node/SP guarded by a champ or something)

@ Leo G.

Your posts here seem somewhat prejudiced against the Ranger, and, although you have one yourself the majority of your forum posts are made on the Warrior forum – so I assume the Warrior is where your vested interest lies.

This leads me to believe that you personally do not approve of the results showing that the Ranger is the least popular/useable profession, so you are questioning the effectiveness of the survey. Perhaps this is because if ArenaNet give these results the slightest bit of attention they may realise the Ranger is in dire need of help, and you feel that this may take their attention away from the Warrior profession. I therefore get the impression that if the results said ‘Warrior’ instead of ‘Ranger’ you would not be criticising them so much.

Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!

Peetee.9406:

It’s mob mentality. Ranger keeps getting nerfed every patch because when it’s played well at the top level it’s as good if not stronger than most of the other professions. The class, however, can be played very poorly much like a thief.

Then I will definitely have to level one up. Nothing wrong with a challenge.

I am not entirely surprised by the results, except for open world PvE… In my experience with leveling the classes, Ranger was by far the easiest one to solo the PvE map with (except, perhaps, compared to the Guardian).

I suspect those that are shocked by Rangers being listed as bad everywhere have never played a Guardian. They’d be shocked how much easier the game is.

Rangers are mediocre at open world pve. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. That was an odd result.

“I’ll take my ranger’s single target DPS over my ele’s single target DPS any day.”

And that’s the issue here. My Elementalist does so much more damage than my Ranger, that I can take out 6 targets with my Ele before my Ranger even takes out 1. If your Ranger does more dps than your Elementalist, you have serious l2p issues. I’m tired of people sticking up for the Ranger when there is a clearly a problem with their dps. No offense, but people like you are going to kill this game if you keep sticking up for a class that needs improvement.

Galtrix.7369:

“I’ll take my ranger’s single target DPS over my ele’s single target DPS any day.”

And that’s the issue here. My Elementalist does so much more damage than my Ranger, that I can take out 6 targets with my Ele before my Ranger even takes out 1. If your Ranger does more dps than your Elementalist, you have serious l2p issues. I’m tired of people sticking up for the Ranger when there is a clearly a problem with their dps. No offense, but people like you are going to kill this game if you keep sticking up for a class that needs improvement.

Hey i’m levelling up my ele (ranger was main but i’ve given up on it) what armour/ build set up do you use for high damage? Ive heard survivability is an issue so that needs to be accounted for i suppose? I’m entirely new to that prof so no idea where to start. Wvw purposes mostly.

1) This survey has a major issue in that it broadcast through the forums which is filled with ignorant people, but is filled with topics claiming Rangers are the worst at everything and Warriors are the king of the game. Look at theives for example, the forums are filled with posts saying they are totally OP in WvW and others say they are useless because popular opinion is that they are excellent roamers and 1v1 duelists but die instantly in zergs.

2) Just because it is popular opinion doesn’t make it true. Look again at thieves, their reputation as dying instantly in zergs is based solely of the fact that many ignorant thieves join the zerg in berserker’s gear because a forum post told them to only where berserker’s so they get a reputation of not being durable enough to be part of the zerg.

For the Record I picked:
Open World: Mesmer (Thief would be second)
Dungeons: Ranger (Necros would be second due to how conditions are handled)
ZvZ: Ranger (Thief would be second)
WvWsmall: Warrior (Necro would be second mainly due to their inability to disengage but I think this new patch has helped them a lot I just haven’t had enough time to test)
s/tpvp: Warrior (Thief is second, although Ranger might be now I haven’t played enough since the patch to know how much the nerf hurt them)

Of course in the end your skill level, your build and that of your opponents and how your build fits your playstyle matter just as much or more than your class selection.

I based mine entirely off playing all the classes in multiple aspects of the game.

Bryzy.2719:

Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!

You should actually read the posts instead of relying on “Murder She Wrote” investigative hunches and lunging toward the most likely suspect.

Erasculio.2914:

Azure Prower.8701:

I find it amusing people think Thieves are the worst open world PVE class.

The archetype thieves comes from is basically the “ganker” – the dual wielding low armor high damage profession meant to use stealth to gank unsuspecting people and run away quickly if the gank doesn’t work. It’s a concept suited for open world PvP, but it does look odd everywhere else.

The thief class plays just fine in open world PvE, and gank builds work the same way in open world PvE as they would in PvP. Gank the target and run to the next one, and if it doesn’t work, escape and try again.

Farming and dungeons just take slightly different tactics.

I like this survey because it simply presents numbers. It doesn’t listen to who can shout L2P the loudest on this forum. I mained a ranger since beta, I’m good at pvp, wvw and pve, but I still agree with the ranger’s result ending at the bottom. There’s people here that do know what they’re talking about when they vote. They just stopped bothering to explain it on this forum for the umpteenth time. Let the numbers speak for themselves. That should be sufficient.

Leo G.4501:

Bryzy.2719:

Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!

You should actually read the posts instead of relying on “Murder She Wrote” investigative hunches and lunging toward the most likely suspect.

But you’ll agree that the nature of your posts in this thread reveals a vested interest either against the ranger itself out of dislike or poor experience, or perhaps in a different profession that you [wrongly] feel deserves more recognition.

Bryzy.2719:

Leo G.4501:

Bryzy.2719:

Of course this is just what I perceive from reading your posts, so feel free to say I’m entirely wrong and you in fact are not at all biased against the Ranger!

You should actually read the posts instead of relying on “Murder She Wrote” investigative hunches and lunging toward the most likely suspect.

But you’ll agree that the nature of your posts in this thread reveals a vested interest either against the ranger itself out of dislike or poor experience, or perhaps in a different profession that you [wrongly] feel deserves more recognition.

No, if you actually read most of my posts in the warrior forums, you’d realize the tone of my opinion.

You accuse me of misdirection by falsely representing experiences or striking at claims of inadequacy to garner support for “my chosen profession”. If you read the warrior forums, you’d know it’s rife with posters that try and pull that BS and attempt to claim warrior is just kitten swimming in a tub of kitten and has no redeeming features. If you read my posts, you’d know the bulk of my involvement in those forums is against misdirecting stuff like that.

So if you were playing Mrs. Fletcher instead of the idiot criminal investigators that jump to the first conclusion, you’d get that I tend to speak out against sweeping and unfounded claims directed at professions I play, not just warrior or elementalist (and thief and mesmer has enough people that will go back and ‘correct’ misguided claims about the profession).

tl;dr: I laugh that you’d even try to accuse me of garnering support for a profession through misrepresentation when I consistently do the opposite.

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