13th November. The Grind Wars begin.
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And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8
Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Just to be clear, I didnt ask for the new dungeon and I hate vertical progression.
I am finishing my legendary and after that I will aim for Heavy Tier 3 Sylvary Cultural Amor. So I dont care about the new dungeon that much but I think you have nothing to complain here. You are just mad because you are left behind …
This is my last post in this topic. Cya
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And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
Repeat after me…
Thou shalt do no other content than FotM
All other content is obsolete
If you aren’t “XX” level by now in FotM, GG NOOB
Its so ridiculous that GW2 went from the most inclusive mmo to the most exclusive overnight, but if the situation isn’t addressed quickly when the grinders pop back out of the “flavor of the month” there won’t be anyone left to be impressed with their grinding skills or ascended gear.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
The concept of Guild Wars 2 was so good, but after the patch it is just an other running after the best gear :/.
I will still play GW2 but i will not buy any gems till it gets where it was before the patch casual /normal player friendly.
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I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
No I’m doing it because I loved GW2, and it’s so rare to find a company ilke ANet was, that manages to create a lot of hype and still gives you a game that delivers on that hype. And then just three months after it goes online, this…
It’s just out of a big disappointment.
And about the game pace, I don’t know how long it will take before ascended sets are all in. Maybe it will take a year, nobody knows.
The point here, is that you can’t choose your own pace the way you could before they introduced a new tier. Exotics were easily obtainalble and then you could REALLY do things at your own pace because all the content was balanced around exotics and you knew they couldn’t be surpassed in power by anything, even legendaries.
Now, your pace can’t be slower than that at which they introduce new items, as slow as it may be, because otherwise you fall behind.
The phylosophy of ArenaNet and GW1 has a always been to let you play the way you wanted. You could log off GW1, log on one year later, and you armor and weapons were still relevant.
They reconfirmed this phylosophy in the manifesto.
And then got hijacked.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
No I’m doing it because I loved GW2, and it’s so rare to find a company ilke ANet was, that manages to create a lot of hype and still gives you a game that delivers on that hype. And then just three months after it goes online, this…
It’s just out of a big disappointment.
And about the game pace, I don’t know how long it will take before ascended sets are all in. Maybe it will take a year, nobody knows.
The point here, is that you can’t choose your own pace the way you could before they introduced a new tier. Exotics were easily obtainalble and then you could REALLY do things at your own pace because all the content was balanced around exotics and you knew they couldn’t be surpassed in power by anything, even legendaries.
Now, your pace can’t be slower than that at which they introduce new items, as slow as it may be, because otherwise you fall behind.
The phylosophy of ArenaNet and GW1 has a always been to let you play the way you wanted. You could log off GW1, log on one year later, and you armor and weapons were still relevant.
They reconfirmed this phylosophy in the manifesto.
And then got hijacked.
Ok i think i figured out what your failing to realize. In a game designed for 1-?, where ? is max level, you can NEVER balance all the content to only be for ? with the best gear possible. This is what lets people move at the pace they want to. In every game i have played if content is added that requires x stat to even start it this content always provides easy access to the min required to do said content. So this infact does let him do it. Even in games like wow there are players like him. You can move at any pace you want if you are good enough.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
Well, i think its not the problem that the new gear adds slightly higher stats. The problem is that it’s opening an road to progression. Until now you could do whatever you want as often as you want and when you want, without having to worry that would miss something. Suddleny there is something to miss. And it’s not that you miss a special one time experience but that you miss something which could influence your future experience in the game.
So you have to make decisions wether you keep your slowmode playingstyle or go on and take the challenge to progess. So it is not so much about if you will actually miss something but about having to decide if you want to take the risk to miss something later on. And some people do not even have that choice because they do not have as much sparetime they would like to spend in the game. That’s what is worrying for some people.
I think that is the problem many people are having and I can only hope that A-Net is going for compromises to keep tyria open for everyone.
And I’ll absorb that content at my own pace. I won’t be cut off because I will never be the only person who wants to do it, there will always be late comers, alts, other people who take their time to do the content, people willing to go back and do lower level content. (I for one do this)
And I really don’t care if they explicitly say one way or the other if it’s the last tier. It won’t change the pace I absorb the content, I don’t have to be at the cutting edge of gear, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest if X Lego Lass X is stood next to me with a Legendary sword and an ascended back piece whilst I’m still rocking my Exotics.
You still miss the point.
Reread my quotes.
And check these items:
http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8Compare stats.
When the existing content will have been adjusted to be challenging for people wearing whole sets of this stuff, you won’t be able to do them unless you grind for ascended stuff as well.
It’s not a matter of alts or other things. It’s not a matter of choice. The difference between ascended and exotic is higher than the gap between exotics and rares, but in turn ascended is A LOT less accessible than exotics to casuals.
Um hes saying that he will move at his own pace. When it comes time to grind for it he will. Hes just saying hes not worried about the gear others have. Hes a very rare type of player that truefully doesent care what others have equiped. In all honesty his player type is normally some of the most skilled players i have ever encountered which lets him play in this mind set.
Unfortunately that won’t work.
Content locusts are so quick in devouring content that by the time he will have finished grinding ascended stuff “at his own pace” there will be divine or uber-ascended or whatever armor and the thing will start afresh.
The problem when you cater to content locusts, is that you commit to a direction that is implicitly a threadmill. Either you find a way to keep them in your game without raising stats, of if you do raise stats the first time, why not the second time they hit a wall again?
You can have your own pace, but if the content difficulty outgrows you, you are screwed.
I’ve yet to ever see a game that advanced that fast to be honest. Currently the game is so easy its an utter joke. It would take a good long time before its even remotely nearing that hard. Odds are that even your slowest players would never come near to seeing this. Not even close. That being said its silly to argue over this point. He will play the way he wants. As long as its within what the games designed around why nitpick? Kinda sounds like your doing it just to argue.
Well, i think its not the problem that the new gear adds slightly higher stats. The problem is that it’s opening an road to progression. Until now you could do whatever you want as often as you want and when you want, without having to worry that would miss something. Suddleny there is something to miss. And it’s not that you miss a special one time experience but that you miss something which could influence your future experience in the game.
So you have to make decisions wether you keep your slowmode playingstyle or go on and take the challenge to progess. So it is not so much about if you will actually miss something but about having to decide if you want to take the risk to miss something later on. And some people do not even have that choice because they do not have as much sparetime they would like to spend in the game. That’s what is worrying for some people.
I think that is the problem many people are having and I can only hope that A-Net is going for compromises to keep tyria open for everyone.
Oh no i get why people are having issues with this patch. Im one of them. This is more of a discussion about a player who is neutral to it who no matter what path GW2 takes they in the end are not affected by the changes.
Ok i think i figured out what your failing to realize. In a game designed for 1-?, where ? is max level, you can NEVER balance all the content to only be for ? with the best gear possible. This is what lets people move at the pace they want to. In every game i have played if content is added that requires x stat to even start it this content always provides easy access to the min required to do said content. So this infact does let him do it. Even in games like wow there are players like him. You can move at any pace you want if you are good enough.
Probably I haven’t been clear on a point that is fundamental for me: before the change, anybody in exotics would have access to all the content the game could provide. If you knew what you were doing, you could do anything.
Gear wasn’t a limiting factor.
Now let’s say a year from now they have introduced ascended gear for any slot. They upgrade the dungeons to be challenging for people in full ascended gear. Your own pace of playing means you still wear exotics.
You try Arah and fail because it’s now too difficult for you, and not becasue you don’t know what you are doing, but because your gear is now a limiting factor.
This will eventually be the case, and this scenario wasn’t possible before the patch.
In WoW a player can proceed at a slower pace, but in that case (s)he can’t access all the content available at any given moment. If you don’t have tier x gear you can’t do tier x + 1 raid. You will eventually, but by then that raid won’t be relevant anymore.
Or, put in other words, my 54,99 € are worth the same as the € 54,99 of an hardcore player, so why should I get less content than him at any given time for the same money?
Its hard to progress in a game when I feel like I am no longer the target audience.
Well put!
I actually fell down a deep hole when I read this:
" we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” "
The fact that I had bought several character slots, bank slots, bag slots and other assorted stuff from the gem store, and had spent most of my free time on this game didn’t count at all. As I still had no exotic gear, I couldn’t be a very dedicated player…
Its hard to progress in a game when I feel like I am no longer the target audience.
Well put!
I actually fell down a deep hole when I read this:
" we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” "
The fact that I had bought several character slots, bank slots, bag slots and other assorted stuff from the gem store, and had spent most of my free time on this game didn’t count at all. As I still had no exotic gear, I couldn’t be a very dedicated player…
Should be the players with the most time to devote to the game. i played gw1 off and on for years because i knew I could always come back after a break for work, school, etc. That is why i loved the game. I bought items from the store when I could to show I liked them.
Ok i think i figured out what your failing to realize. In a game designed for 1-?, where ? is max level, you can NEVER balance all the content to only be for ? with the best gear possible. This is what lets people move at the pace they want to. In every game i have played if content is added that requires x stat to even start it this content always provides easy access to the min required to do said content. So this infact does let him do it. Even in games like wow there are players like him. You can move at any pace you want if you are good enough.
Probably I haven’t been clear on a point that is fundamental for me: before the change, anybody in exotics would have access to all the content the game could provide. If you knew what you were doing, you could do anything.
Gear wasn’t a limiting factor.
Now let’s say a year from now they have introduced ascended gear for any slot. They upgrade the dungeons to be challenging for people in full ascended gear. Your own pace of playing means you still wear exotics.
You try Arah and fail because it’s now too difficult for you, and not becasue you don’t know what you are doing, but because your gear is now a limiting factor.
This will eventually be the case, and this scenario wasn’t possible before the patch.
In WoW a player can proceed at a slower pace, but in that case (s)he can’t access all the content available at any given moment. If you don’t have tier x gear you can’t do tier x + 1 raid. You will eventually, but by then that raid won’t be relevant anymore.
Or, put in other words, my 54,99 € are worth the same as the € 54,99 of an hardcore player, so why should I get less content than him at any given time for the same money?
Thing is currently people can and do dungeons naked. Rebalancing dungeons you always take into account all the gear tiers. Currently you can do parts of the new dungeon without the new gear. Odds are they will set up something like it with the current and future dungeons when they rebalance. Even if they dident its been stated that the new gear will be available in places other than the new dungeon. As i said if your going to require x to do something you alway give them a way to earn x before its needed. Progressing at your own speed is always possible. Thats why new players can join the game at any point. Otherwise the game would never have new players that are not instantly max level with at least x gear.
Now im not saying you dont love the game or anything but saying that someone cant progress at there own speed is just silly. There will always be content lotus just as there will always be that group that is not affected by any changes because they move threw content slower than others. Just by playing the game they will be given what they need just as those when went threw it before them. In most cases they actually have better gear as they come into ownership of the gear ment for newer harder content.
Thing is currently people can and do dungeons naked. Rebalancing dungeons you always take into account all the gear tiers. Currently you can do parts of the new dungeon without the new gear. Odds are they will set up something like it with the current and future dungeons when they rebalance. Even if they dident its been stated that the new gear will be available in places other than the new dungeon. As i said if your going to require x to do something you alway give them a way to earn x before its needed. Progressing at your own speed is always possible. Thats why new players can join the game at any point. Otherwise the game would never have new players that are not instantly max level with at least x gear.
Now im not saying you dont love the game or anything but saying that someone cant progress at there own speed is just silly. There will always be content lotus just as there will always be that group that is not affected by any changes because they move threw content slower than others. Just by playing the game they will be given what they need just as those when went threw it before them. In most cases they actually have better gear as they come into ownership of the gear ment for newer harder content.
One can progress at his/her own speed, of course. What I’m debating is that before the patch, sooner or later, the slow progressing player would’ve got the highest tier of gear. It was just a matter of time, not of if but of when.
Now, if your pace is slow enough, you could fall behind.
And after having read ArenaNet’s intentions and having seen the stats on ascended items, I don’t see how that won’t be a limiting factor.
It will be a limiting factor by design. If they wanted to make ascended gear optional, they would have differentiated it only by looks, like they did with legendaries up until now. The fact they increased stats on it, tells you that they plan to make it a limiting factor, so that even those who don’t like its looks are still trying to acquire it.
Yes, now you can do fractals up until a certain difficulty scale in exotics. But now it’s the beginning of the new direction, so it’s only natural the actual effects on gameplay are marginal. The future effects of the present direction is what worry me.
And not, I’m not willing to wait for ArenaNet to fully implement this new vision before voicing my concerns, because I deeply believe that by then it will be too late and GW2 won’t be the game that was meant to be (and promised to us) anymore.
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Are you sure you’re not exaggerating because I keep seeing “LFG fractals lvl 1” everywhere?
It is reset weekly.
No it isn’t. It would be insane too if it was done since getting to level 20 or so would require a LOOOT of time per week spent doing it in a burst.
Thing is currently people can and do dungeons naked. Rebalancing dungeons you always take into account all the gear tiers. Currently you can do parts of the new dungeon without the new gear. Odds are they will set up something like it with the current and future dungeons when they rebalance. Even if they dident its been stated that the new gear will be available in places other than the new dungeon. As i said if your going to require x to do something you alway give them a way to earn x before its needed. Progressing at your own speed is always possible. Thats why new players can join the game at any point. Otherwise the game would never have new players that are not instantly max level with at least x gear.
Now im not saying you dont love the game or anything but saying that someone cant progress at there own speed is just silly. There will always be content lotus just as there will always be that group that is not affected by any changes because they move threw content slower than others. Just by playing the game they will be given what they need just as those when went threw it before them. In most cases they actually have better gear as they come into ownership of the gear ment for newer harder content.
One can progress at his/her own speed, of course. What I’m debating is that before the patch, sooner or later, the slow progressing player would’ve got the highest tier of gear. It was just a matter of time, not of if but of when.
Now, if your pace is slow enough, you could fall behind.
And after having read ArenaNet’s intentions and having seen the stats on ascended items, I don’t see how that won’t be a limiting factor.
It will be a limiting factor by design. If they wanted to make ascended gear optional, they would have differentiated it only by looks, like they did with legendaries up until now. The fact they increased stats on it, tells you that they plan to make it a limiting factor, so that even those who don’t don’t like its looks are still trying to acquire it.
Yes, now you can do fractals up until a certain difficulty scale in exotics. But now it’s the beginning of the new direction, so it’s only natural the actual effects on gameplay are marginal. The future effects of the present direction is what worry me.
And not, I’m not willing to wait for ArenaNet to fully implement this new vision before voicing my concerns, because I deeply believe that by then it will be too late and GW2 won’t be the game that was meant to be (and promised to us) anymore.
Most people will never have max stats on gear progression game’s. From what i have seen that was never the point of the other guy. His point was simply he is unaffected by this change. He does not care about having the current best gear or any of that.
As for the other concerns frankly it is to early to tell which direction they will go. Your trying to preach to a group that honestly doesent care due to one thing or another. Myself i do but that is not for this debate. We have made our stance clear. ANet will listen or they wont. All we can do is wait and see now. Being bull headed and attacking anyone and everyone for the slightest thing gets us nowhere at this point and actually harms our cause more than it helps it. If you feel you need to post in general due to misinfo or the likes make one post then move on. People will agree or they wont. No reason to get livid over something so silly.
You are not in the demographic this game is aiming for now. So yes, to your question.
Ofc he is in the demos for this game. You are the one who seems to think this game is only for casuals and all the others need to catter to your needs. I’ve seen tons of people asking for people for lvl1 fractals, lvl 2, basically every lvl of fractals.
I don’t know where the OP plays but personally I’m in one of the most populated PVE servers and there’s people for all tiers of fractals.
Some people are lvl 7 what do you want them to do? scale down to lvl 1 just to take someone they don’t even know through to lvl 4 or 5?
Be real, ok?
So you’re saying 98% of gamers are casual and 2% are hardcore? Ok.
2-5% for hardcore players is a normal value (the exact percentages change depending on the game in question, of course. There are games that are created specifically for hardcore crowd, and percentages there can be much higher). The majority of players usually consist of so called “dedicated casuals” – people that play a bit more (or even a lot), and spend quite a lot of cash, but whose gameplay activity is purely casual one. They are usually main source of income for the MMO games (since they are usually the ones that themselves posess a stable income).
Which isn’t suprising – the term “hardcore”, after all, straight tells us that we’re talking about minority whose mode of play significantly diverges from the average.
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No reason to get livid over something so silly.
What you call getting livid I call voicing my opinion, which is what you yourself are doing here. So please don’t assume another poster’s attitude but rather debate his/her points. Or don’t.
You think if done in some ways it could hurt our cause, I think only ArenaNet not listening to the massive negative feedback they got can hurt our cause.
I also think that there are a lot people who still don’t understand the implications of this patch in the long run, and from this point of view the debate can only provide more shades to the whole picture.
To OP: I’m simply going to work on leveling alts and avoiding the whole end-game gear grind altogether.
I would have expected to be playing this game for years, but it looks like it will just be a few months.
Same thing after years of loving GW and waiting for this game I’m utterly disillusioned this is simply not the game marketed to me. As a FTP game I’ve been buying gems monthly to support ANet and because I felt the game was worthy of subscription but I’m not doing that anymore.
I have 2 lv 80 full exotic characters but I don’t want to support the elitist/exclusion part of the game which is now the endgame. I’m happy to run a dungeon with any group (scaled levels, new players, regardless of gear) and yes I object to being forced to demand criteria when lfg like must be fractal lv X
The only thing left to enjoy is levelling an alt of each race/prof.
To OP: I only read the first page of this thread if im repeating something im sorry to everyone. This game from the beginning has had an element of what i call PsP or Play Style Punishment. I’ve never played dungeons and have no intention to, but in PvE loots been scaled since day 1. After 30 min to an hour your loot drops to just grey items. This means that people who play daily for that length of time are at a huge advantage. If someone wants to play all day for 2 days a week they are massively disadvantaged. There’s ways around this like having multiple lvl 80 characters doing an hour on each then crafting for another hour with what you collected to sell on the post…
I like to play PvE for a few months to learn the game then off to wvw and pvp i go. With this new patch they have punished EVERYONE except those small minded people who like grinding dungeons, and im guessing gears scaled there to (correct me if im wrong). GG.
They increased the rate of acquiring pretty much all the materials. While I agree that legendaries should be difficult to get, they were encouraging rather obsessive behavior as far as acquiring the materials. What this shows is that they’re willing to allow progression from more play styles. I bet ascended gear will not be limited to the extreme end of the fractal grind. That doesn’t fix the current problem with fractals, though (and hopefully they will fix the fractured player base sooner rather than later).
Tell me, how did any of their changes to Legendary acquisition change the number of ways the components could be acquired ?
All I see is that you can get them quicker. I don’t see any new methods to acquire them.But I also see that Ascended gear was launched with exactly one way to get it. Thus closing off all other paths from getting max stat gear. A major reduction in options.
So I see this as a net reduction in options.
Karma acquisition doesn’t require such blatant grinding (the addition of the vials and bags). Many of the materials also do not require obsessive grinding either. Yes, you still need to run dungeons to get the requisite gift (but that is much easier these days). They also added some ways to get materials by running fotm (although that is problematic due to the current state of fotm lfg). They’ve stated they’re going to open up more paths for legendaries and progression in general. So yes, you need to take their word at that.
How is it easier? some dungeons are locked cause noone wants to do event and it was hard to find group for some paths before, now is near impossible!
Oh yea, they bug even more, so they give you 1 dungeon and take 8
The amount of whining and garbage from ‘normal’ (laughable to call themselves that) players is completely out of control. There’re a few simple facts that you super self-entitled players need to wrap your heads around.
1) You purchased a game and got it as-is. What you purchased was what you got. The event this last weekend where a very small fraction of players got a precursor and everyone got exotics was NOT guaranteed to you by any means whatsoever when you purchased this game. It’s not owed to you. Period. You got what you paid for, everything else is EXTRA, not deserved.
2) Fractals of the Mists is a single dungeon. All of the other ones are still around and perfectly viable. They didn’t somehow disappear or wander off or get closed or anything like that. Go play them and have fun. If they were fun before, but are no longer fun for you now, even though they haven’t changed, then the problem lies with you and your perceptions, not with the game.
2a) I play in Stormbluff Isle, one of the larger servers, and I see groups looking for levels 1-3 in fractals in every LA shard I end up in. It’s nonstop. If you aren’t seeing the same, I imagine it’s because either your server is smaller, you’re on at ‘off-peak’ hours, or you’re just not giving it any time at all. If you can’t find a group, try and pop into another shard, try being proactive instead of passively whining and moaning on the forums.
3) I played Maplestory (Nexon’s premier game before Vindictus) for a while, was one of the very top players in my server, and am quite familiar with the Nexon model of business, and I can tell you first hand that GW2 doesn’t play the same, at all. Go take a look in the cash shop and tell me how many items in there are only purchaseable via real cash and give anyone any statistical advantage over other players. Moreover, you can buy gems with in game currency. Last part on this point, Nexon bought 15%, not 51%. 15% is no small deal, but it certainly isn’t some 100% vice-grip that a vocal minority (but boy are they obnoxiously loud) of chicken little’s seem to think it is.
tldr; OP and the other whiners need to grow up. You paid for the game and have gotten WAY WAY WAY more than you paid for. You don’t deserve anything extra, you aren’t entitled to it.
The game is a flop and lie, the grand mmo we all expected was an unfinished, unpolished, mess of a lie… After launch ANet has totally changed faces and this new patch signals the beginning of the end for most people. Was a nice dream I suppose, maybe a future mmo will get it right, just need to hope for a company with more integrity than ANet
They are trying to keep that 2% of gamers happy that grind and do have hours to spend each day playing but your casual gamer is suffering. It’s not only new content but I see the same bias happening in normal dungeons. Try to get a group for story mode sometime ( You’re a level 80 and have not done this dungeon ? Sorry no noobs in my group ). It isn’t just this update it’s happening through out the entire game.
I still refuse to play in PUGS and if that means I can’t play certain areas so be it and if it gets to the point I’m missing out on too much I’ll simply stop playing. What they need to do is modify dungeons so smaller groups can get them done or at least allow a group of only 2 -3 players to do them. Sadly the type of player that’s rising to the attention of Anet and unfortunately the loudest on these forums isn’t the type of person I want to spend my gaming time with.
Story Mode should be something a single player can do and not a group of people. If they want to cater to P vs P and Hard Core gamers great just stop killing the casual gamer in the process as well. I have no intention of doing dungeons save for the story and game lore that’s involved and if the massive group events is what I have to look forward to, there isn’t much to look forward to. I’m not the only one who feels this way either I would expect.
I feel 100% the same as you do. I hate PUGS with a vengeance and you are right, the type of people being most pandered to are not the ones I want to play with anyway. Might just be that I am getting old and cranky, but ANet is rapidly tarnishing whatever shiny bits attracted me to the game.
They need to offer more flexibility in the progression system. You should be able to play at the highest level possible and progress. Players should also gain progression for going backwards and helping players…. I think there’s suggestions about how to make this work because the current version has a lot of negative consequences to more casual players or those who take a break.
I put together a group for level 1 last night in about 5 minutes. I also have guildies to group with which are willing to go back and do the lower levels with me. I really think they need to set it up so that if a party member is level 7 you can select anything up to that level. I’m sure that would introduce other problems but it would completely avoid the level issue when PuG’n it.
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The amount of whining and garbage from ‘normal’ (laughable to call themselves that) players is completely out of control. There’re a few simple facts that you super self-entitled players need to wrap your heads around.
1) You purchased a game and got it as-is. What you purchased was what you got. The event this last weekend where a very small fraction of players got a precursor and everyone got exotics was NOT guaranteed to you by any means whatsoever when you purchased this game. It’s not owed to you. Period. You got what you paid for, everything else is EXTRA, not deserved.
We also paid for ANETs promises. Instead of filling those promises they nerfed everyone who isn’t willing to grind FOTM.
2) Fractals of the Mists is a single dungeon. All of the other ones are still around and perfectly viable. They didn’t somehow disappear or wander off or get closed or anything like that. Go play them and have fun. If they were fun before, but are no longer fun for you now, even though they haven’t changed, then the problem lies with you and your perceptions, not with the game.
The other dungeons got nerfed when they stopped being a viable way to obtain max stat gear.
I dont grind, i am not a grinder. I dont feel obligated to run any dungeon or any area. I have however put in about five hours every day since pre release, and thats with having a full time job, baby, and wife.
Until ascended gear is mandatory for actual progression or as a gate, i.e must have ascended to do fotm2, i see little reason to be concerned.
For the competitive aspect, wvwvw, the easy solution is to cap stats at exotic level.
I have run about six sets of fractals, and i am only at lv.2, because i keep helping guildies. I dont mind, it just means more people to choose from. We often have pugs to fill in extra slots. Dont care what level or class as long as you can hold your own, which will be judged once we start. Hardcore and grinders obviously dont do that.
As for scaling, it needs to be the highest majority. So if 3 people have done scale 3, then you can start at 4 even if the other two haven’t done any.
If any “casuals” want a guild with people that have lives, send me a pm, just keep the drama out.
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It is reset weekly.
No it isn’t. It would be insane too if it was done since getting to level 20 or so would require a LOOOT of time per week spent doing it in a burst.
Reseting would allow ANET to add another cosmetic incentive: A title given to everyone who reached the highest level obtained by everyone that week. Or maybe list their characters names on the login screen for everyone to show that, for that week, they were better than everyone else.
Ok.. first of all, I see a lot of people not understanding what grind is. Surprisingly I thought that most of you being old enough to experience the grind, ala EQ, Lineage. Grind is killing mobs for XP without any meaning behind it, beside killing them for XP. You needed to grind to get to the next level. Then WoW changed grind definition a little, you have to grind one dungeon so you can play another dungeon, then heroics, etc…
Now I’m not going to say there isn’t grind in GW2, since legendary weapon is all about grinding. But, it is optional. Ascension gear in it’s current form is optional, maybe they will make it more meaningful in the future. Now I consider myself to be a casual player, playing 2hours on average per day, and I have full exotic gear played a lot of dungeons and I’m level 2 fractal. I also paid 20$ for gems to get more char and bank slots. And I will tell you right now, there is no mandatory grind, same as with GW1. Now I know someone will bring Ascension gear as being some sort of grind, which it isn’t, since it is only required for high level FoTM and by that time you will definitvily have enough mats to have it.
Reason I wrote this is because, you are not even a casual. How can I as a student, with part time job, and voluntary work, playing game max 2 hours per day get full exotic gear and you can’t? Did they limit you in terms of accessing new dungeon. NO. You just need to find a group, what about your guild, you ingame friends surely you made some on your road to 80th level. I hate people that want everyting served on plate.
Nobody is saying system is perfect, but seeing how you all feel betrayed by ANet is kinda silly. There are a lot of people who wanted this type of dungeon. Those who do not like it, they don’t need to play it. If you want Ascension gear then, wait Anet to put other way to get it.
It is reset weekly.
No it isn’t. It would be insane too if it was done since getting to level 20 or so would require a LOOOT of time per week spent doing it in a burst.
Reseting would allow ANET to add another cosmetic incentive: A title given to everyone who reached the highest level obtained by everyone that week. Or maybe list their characters names on the login screen for everyone to show that, for that week, they were better than everyone else.
The gating progressprogression in the secret world was actually really good. In order to get past a “gatekeeper” and into the Nightmare mode, you need a solid gear set and build and a good bit of skill with your chosen ability path (tank, dps, or healer, but I’m sure Anet could come up with something).
THAT is a gating mechanism that people get behind, because once you’re in, you’re in.
Its hard to progress in a game when I feel like I am no longer the target audience.
Well put!
I actually fell down a deep hole when I read this:
" we have found that our most dedicated players were achieving their set of Exotic gear and hitting “the Legendary wall.” "
The fact that I had bought several character slots, bank slots, bag slots and other assorted stuff from the gem store, and had spent most of my free time on this game didn’t count at all. As I still had no exotic gear, I couldn’t be a very dedicated player…
Someone in their marketing or financial area is confusing time played with gem shop purchases.
But yes, I also feel the same way. I played my way and loved their original design approach. I spent money in the cash shop for the items I liked and to show my support. Planned on spending a monthly amount plus Wintersday purchases. But now, it is clear to me that I am not their target audience and I bought the wrong game. I guess I should not have done any product research nor read their marketing materials. I should have assumed this would be like WOW and its clones. Then I could have avoided this altogether.
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you are not missing anything bud. Trust me when i type this out that anet will eventualy make the new gear be sold at vendors once the 3rd new teir comes out. Just like any other mmo does.
You’re spinning your wheels over nothing.
Ya, sooner or later you will get your sloppy seconds
Oh no, another “I think I know what this thread is about so I will trash it”. Read the kitten thread.
Again, I’ll use a Nexon game as an example since I’m starting to see Nexon’s influence in GW2 after Nexon buyingt 15% of NCSoft and is now one of the major shareholders.
In Nexon games (Vindictus), there will be 3 types of players:
1) Hardcore grinders who will play 8+ hours to grind gear/money.
2) Casuals who will be required to buy from cash shop to gear their players and enjoy the game. GW2 initially (before the recent updates) allowed casuals to have fun and enjoy the content without having to spend enormous amount of money. Nexon tends to focus on this group to make money. If you’re a casual, and you want to compete with the hardcore grinders in pvp or enjoy the content (not getting 1 shot by bosses), you will need to empty your pockets.
3) Botters who just bot for gold to get all the gear they need.I see the “normal players” in GW2 fitting in category 2. So, if this is the direction GW2 is heading, then I foresee this group of players having to spend a lot on cash shop (buying gems to trade for gold) to be able to enjoy GW2.
So it is clear Nexon purchased those shares on June 8th. As a combined entity NCsoft and Nexon were reported to be trying to acquire Valve. This is the way the business world works, companies share the risk financially, especially in mmorpg franchises which are notoriously expensive to produce and maintain compared to other genres. Blaming Nexon’s “influence” on GW2’s seeming change in philosophy may not be entirely correct however. We simply have no way of knowing what the people in the business side of Anet/NCsoft were seeing in regards to cashflow with the game. Yes I know they have a former Nexon employee working as their monetization coordinator, she has been with Anet since January however. So these changes as we perceive them are changes that could have already possibly been discussed long ago and are just now being implemented to try and drum up more business. The real disheartening portion of all this is the lack of communication on the part of the people at Anet. A “State of the game address” every so often would go a long way to asuage peoples fears, so they can at least know the direction and vision they have for the game itself. I realize Anet does not like to talk about things before they are ready as their policy but leaving it’s playerbase more or less in the dark leads to wild assumptions. I suppose the point of this is, we should not be so quick to play the point the finger game since we simply don’t know what is going on (yes I am guilty of this behavior at times myself).
Normal player.. tons of hours..
I have a wife, kids and a job.. could not log in until tonight does to my daughter having her confirmation.. you know REAL life..
My 80 mesmer could not get a group for the new dungeon.. Everyone had to be level 7 or some odd crap to do it….
72 hours out of the loop and ZERO chance to get a group? This game talked about no grinding and you can’t take three days off at max level and not land a group now??
This was the exact thing that made me uninstall the game and move… First day i couldnt even enter the dungeon due to all disconnect/lag kitten. Second day, most messages were just like “LFM FotM, level 3 minimum”. That demoralized me totally. I felt the same disgust that made me stop playing that other MMO long time ago.
I didn’t play for a couple of days, and when I logged in today I found out it was hard to find a team. It took me 30 minutes to get a group for level 4.
To this, add the disconnect bug: I was out of the dungeon while the rest of the party was at the end boss.
I looked again for a team. I managed to get an invite from another team. They were looking for people with level 5, but accepted to do level 4, because they were tired of waiting. Then, someone in /m asked for a level 5 team. Guess what? I left the team, because I saw they wanted to do level 5 instead of 4, and I felt like a burden to their progression.
The other dungeons are forgotten, very few people want to run them, and not enough to form a team.
In the end, by logging in this evening I feel I only wasted my time.
Who came up with this idea of gated content?
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