Guild Wars 2

No offence but I putted over 2000 daggers in mystic forge to get spark the precurser and all I got is loss in gold, its the only thing that I need for incenerator I have a guildy that had 3 sparks in 200 daggers, it is just rediculous that players who are actually doing a lot more effort not getting anything….

can you please fix this stupid RNG generator as its totally unfair to players who are actually doing something and working for something….

Gz

Darkdanjal

rng is rng, might get lucky might not

There is a reason financial advisors don’t recommend buying lottery tickets to increase wealth. Sure, there will be daily winners but the odds are it won’t be you. Basically, it’s a gold sink and if you feel you have too much gold laying around this is a good way to take it out of the game. Kind of like taking one for the team.

i tend to agree though, it should be more like a fusion of items instead of a random generator. it should be less random what we get.

rng is just stupid, I had nothing from karka event, nothing from mystic forge I spend almost over 1200 hours on this game, I love it but playing more doesnt do anything, it is just a total fail from Anet to not let players who spend more time to their game to not get the item they want….the guildy that I talk about doesnt even spend half the time that I do and still he has 1500 gold…. that is just stupid

My Dead Characters.9517:

rng is rng, might get lucky might not

Which is stupid, and needs to be changed.

well you can spend 1000 gold and don’t get spark or you can get it out of 5 gold
when i got it , i was forced to sell it cause i spent over 50 gold gambling for it, so i had to savage my items to sell runes /sigils to continue gamble:)

Or at least give us some ways to improve our chances

Conncept.7638:

My Dead Characters.9517:

rng is rng, might get lucky might not

Which is stupid, and needs to be changed.

It’s fine, you chose to take the chance with the rng and what happened is what happened. You could have also sold those 2000 daggers on the TP and gotten a good amount of gold towards just buying the precursor you wanted, if not being able to buy it outright.

it is just the most rediculous system ever, its like people who are spending more time arent getting anything,….as for casual gamers they are getting the gold…. most kitten system ever….people who are spending more time to their game should get rewards… but as for now it is just a system for being lucky…. the more you play the less you get… great Arenanet, you migt have more players now… guess waht it will drop, more and more even for the new players,,,, this RNG is just total bull kitten

its not the way and please dont tell me its fine, its not…. anyone who got the precurser of his her legendary tells its fine…. its the most kitten system ever… RNG isnt the way to get a precurser, its supposed to be farmabale

Why do you think its called Mystic Toilet? Don’t bother trying to get precursors with Rares…

oh well I should bother then to get a bloody precurser with TP????

I got Dusk and Dawn almost back to back in one session with the forge in November.

There is a ceiling on how high precursor prices will go, eventually there is a threshold where instead of paying 1000 gold (arbitrary number) for it on the TP, it pays to just use the gold for MF attempts.

Some people are lucky and get it after only 50 gold, others are unlucky and it takes 750 gold. If you haven’t gotten it after 1000 gold, either you’re the unluckiest player alive or you’re lying.

Ehra.5240:

Conncept.7638:

My Dead Characters.9517:

rng is rng, might get lucky might not

Which is stupid, and needs to be changed.

It’s fine, you chose to take the chance with the rng and what happened is what happened. You could have also sold those 2000 daggers on the TP and gotten a good amount of gold towards just buying the precursor you wanted, if not being able to buy it outright.

A) No, you don’t know that and there is quite a bit of math which shows otherwise, you do not know how long it would take to sell those 2000 daggers, how much inflation would rise on the legendary items and there components, or how much those daggers will drop in value.

B) It isn’t a choice, a choice implies there is more than one option. You have a choice between taking a chance that will most likely never reward you, or no-lifer farming fast enough to outpace inflation. Except that the average person HAS A LIFE outside the game, and the second option isn’t available. Therefore, there is no choice.

C) If it’s stupid then it’s stupid. There is no ‘oh it’s random so it’s only stupid for the people who aren’t lucky’, no, everybody has the same chance and it’s stupid for everybody.

Conncept.7638:

A) No, you don’t know that and there is quite a bit of math which shows otherwise, you do not know how long it would take to sell those 2000 daggers, how much inflation would rise on the legendary items and there components, or how much those daggers will drop in value.

So you choose to prefer the risk of gambling over the risk of the market?

That’s your choice I suppose, but that is still a choice. There’s risk in both choices, and it’s up to the player to determine which is the best for him.

Ursan.7846:

Conncept.7638:

A) No, you don’t know that and there is quite a bit of math which shows otherwise, you do not know how long it would take to sell those 2000 daggers, how much inflation would rise on the legendary items and there components, or how much those daggers will drop in value.

So you choose to prefer the risk of gambling over the risk of the market?

That’s your choice I suppose, but that is still a choice. There’s risk in both choices, and it’s up to the player to determine which is the best for him.

Are you sure you know how to read english? That applies to the above poster, if you took the time to read beyond the opening sentence, you would note that the remainder applies to a different portion of the playerbase. For the majority of the playerbase there is no ‘choice’, if you fall in a certain player demographic, you just can’t get anything. And for those who have a choice, such as the original poster, how much of a choice can there be between ‘lose some’ and ‘lose more’?

Sunreva.8714:

I got Dusk and Dawn almost back to back in one session with the forge in November.

There is a ceiling on how high precursor prices will go, eventually there is a threshold where instead of paying 1000 gold (arbitrary number) for it on the TP, it pays to just use the gold for MF attempts.

Some people are lucky and get it after only 50 gold, others are unlucky and it takes 750 gold. If you haven’t gotten it after 1000 gold, either you’re the unluckiest player alive or you’re lying.

I’d love to know how people are making this much money. I’m a casual player, and am having a hard time getting all exotic gear even. I’ll start doing more wvwvw and fractals to see how profitable they are, but dang… 1000g… must be nice to have those kinds of troubles.

Feel free to send me a private message if you are not comfortable telling me in the public forum, I promise to deny everything. (For the record, I’m not willing to play 8 hours a day either. hehe)

Haven’t you guys worked out that by making the MF so low-end RNG, they are pushing you into buying gems for gold? They don’t care if it’s ridiculous odds…they want your money.

Low RNG = no precursor = no legendary.
Pretty convenient that they gave us a solution to that…give them a lot of real money.

The first time I used the mystic forge for anything besides a mystic salvage kit and endless quiver, was Thursday night. I threw in 4 daggers and got Spark. Didn’t even buy the daggers, they were drops I had been saving from Fractal runs.

It was pretty amazing. Sold it for 600g, bought my T3 cultural set and now im saving up again to buy the Lover.

I also have traditionally horrible luck. In the original GW I never got a chibi Gwen mini, Frog scepter, Polar bear mini, Dhuum’s Scythe, or Voltaic spear. I had to buy rubies, sapphires and ectos for my elite armor because drops for me were non-existent. In SEVEN years, I never touched the rarer stuff in the game. In GW2 I think I might have had four exotic monster loot drops in 1,067 hours.

Moral of the story, save up your rares to forge while saving your gold to buy a precursor. You may even get it dropped from a chest while doing dungeons or events to get rares or income. The thing will come eventually one way or another, and probably unexpectedly.

Conncept.7638:

Ehra.5240:

Conncept.7638:

My Dead Characters.9517:

rng is rng, might get lucky might not

Which is stupid, and needs to be changed.

It’s fine, you chose to take the chance with the rng and what happened is what happened. You could have also sold those 2000 daggers on the TP and gotten a good amount of gold towards just buying the precursor you wanted, if not being able to buy it outright.

A) No, you don’t know that and there is quite a bit of math which shows otherwise, you do not know how long it would take to sell those 2000 daggers, how much inflation would rise on the legendary items and there components, or how much those daggers will drop in value.

B) It isn’t a choice, a choice implies there is more than one option. You have a choice between taking a chance that will most likely never reward you, or no-lifer farming fast enough to outpace inflation. Except that the average person HAS A LIFE outside the game, and the second option isn’t available. Therefore, there is no choice.

C) If it’s stupid then it’s stupid. There is no ‘oh it’s random so it’s only stupid for the people who aren’t lucky’, no, everybody has the same chance and it’s stupid for everybody.

Oh, I’m sorry. I was assuming you were interested in actual options and not just having everything handed to you. I guess selling things on the TP is just too hard for the every day Joe to handle.

Have fun trashing your loot

Conncept.7638:

Are you sure you know how to read english? That applies to the above poster, if you took the time to read beyond the opening sentence, you would note that it applies to a different portion of the playerbase. For the majority of the playerbase there is no ‘choice’, if you fall in a certain player demographic, you just can’t get it.

Haha, why so serious?

In your point A you pointed out the risks in the market, and tried to justify that because of this risk, the market isn’t a choice.

Which isn’t true. Yes, the market has risks, but so does the MF. So if you have 2000 daggers, you clearly have two choices both filled with risks. So how you proceed is up to the player.

anyone who is actually saying it is a choice of the player has the gold already… seriously….and please dont tell me its easy to get…. it is at least 500 gold + to get the lowest precurser on the market….even with 2 000 daggers as rares it still wont get you to 2000 gold , Arenanet failed in this and to all the fanboys who actually got a precurser gratz but you all know it should be just as farmable as a total gamble

So you decided to gamble on the forge…and it’s no surprise you lost.

Yet you want to complain? Don’t gamble to begin with and you won’t lose gold.

Darkdanjal.3401:

anyone who is actually saying it is a choice of the player has the gold already… seriously….and please dont tell me its easy to get…. it is at least 500 gold + to get the lowest precurser on the market….even with 2 000 daggers as rares it still wont get you to 2000 gold , Arenanet failed in this and to all the fanboys who actually got a precurser gratz but you all know it should be just as farmable as a total gamble

I agree that there should be alternate ways to get precursors. What I disagree with though is that the RNG has to be changed for precursors. You can’t expect to win if you gamble with low stakes.

Vol.5241:

So you decided to gamble on the forge…and it’s no surprise you lost.

Yet you want to complain? Don’t gamble to begin with and you won’t lose gold.

Darkdanjal.3401:

anyone who is actually saying it is a choice of the player has the gold already… seriously….and please dont tell me its easy to get…. it is at least 500 gold + to get the lowest precurser on the market….even with 2 000 daggers as rares it still wont get you to 2000 gold , Arenanet failed in this and to all the fanboys who actually got a precurser gratz but you all know it should be just as farmable as a total gamble

The lowest precursor on the market is under 150g. There are several that are under 200g. 2000 rare daggers is somewhere around 900g and thats enough to buy any of the precursors and still have enough left over to buy your icy-lodestones.

Do you think people call it the Mystic Toilet just for fun?

Darkdanjal.3401:

anyone who is actually saying it is a choice of the player has the gold already… seriously….and please dont tell me its easy to get…. it is at least 500 gold + to get the lowest precurser on the market….even with 2 000 daggers as rares it still wont get you to 2000 gold , Arenanet failed in this and to all the fanboys who actually got a precurser gratz but you all know it should be just as farmable as a total gamble

I actually don’t have one. I’m just laughing at the idea that selling loot on the TP is some kind of insurmountable obstacle. And I acknowledged in my first post that you could very well come up short of being able to buy your precursor even after selling all of your stuff, but you’d be a whole lot closer to having one than you are now. Especially if you started selling all/most of your drops rather trashing them.

The Mystic Forge gives you the option of getting a precursor at a ridiculously low cost. It also poses the risk that you’ll end up throwing away money. If you’re not prepared to accept that risk then take the safe choice and sell your loot on the TP. Even if you sold each of those daggers for a mere 20 silver (and I regularly sell rares for more than that), that’s 400 gold you threw away.

Mystic Forge is not only a fail, but it, and things like it, are actually illegal in 32 of the 50 States of the United States.

Ursan.7846:

Conncept.7638:

Are you sure you know how to read english? That applies to the above poster, if you took the time to read beyond the opening sentence, you would note that it applies to a different portion of the playerbase. For the majority of the playerbase there is no ‘choice’, if you fall in a certain player demographic, you just can’t get it.

Haha, why so serious?

In your point A you pointed out the risks in the market, and tried to justify that because of this risk, the market isn’t a choice.

Which isn’t true. Yes, the market has risks, but so does the MF. So if you have 2000 daggers, you clearly have two choices both filled with risks. So how you proceed is up to the player.

That’s part of the point, people are defending this like it simulates a real capitalist market, when it does not. If it simulated a real market there would be risk and reward at multiple levels of investment, and risk would vary depending on the investment. You could put in a little and have the potential of getting out what you put in, or a little more, or losing it all; you could go with a safe investment or risky one. But it doesn’t have any of that because ANet messes with the economy, utterly controls droprates, and allowed a small group of people to gain control of the entire market within mere weeks of launch. As such, you have none of those choices below a certain threshold, it’s a capitalist economy for the wealthy, and a socialist one for those average or lower.

AcidicVision.5498:

Darkdanjal.3401:

anyone who is actually saying it is a choice of the player has the gold already… seriously….and please dont tell me its easy to get…. it is at least 500 gold + to get the lowest precurser on the market….even with 2 000 daggers as rares it still wont get you to 2000 gold , Arenanet failed in this and to all the fanboys who actually got a precurser gratz but you all know it should be just as farmable as a total gamble

The lowest precursor on the market is under 150g. There are several that are under 200g. 2000 rare daggers is somewhere around 900g and thats enough to buy any of the precursors and still have enough left over to buy your icy-lodestones.

This is, once again, making an arseload of assumptions about the market which completely contradict the market trends since launch. Additionally, he was looking for a specific precursor which is 700 gold and rising (like all precursors).

That’s why the right word for it’s Mystic Toilet

All I ask is a way to actually farm the precurser and yeah to actually work for it…. I can hear the flaming already omg I cant get money anymore out of the TP as all the precursers are down in price….same with the one time Karka event….

and yes when precursers dropped in the karka event I bought several precursers that I sold for a much higher price….

what Im saying is a shout to casual players who cant even come close to a legendary because of the prices now on TP

Even if you personally don’t get a drop, other people do. You can sell your drops and buy what you want. It sounds difficult but, trust me, it’s not.

And if you absolutely refuse to use the TP in any way, then we do know that they’re working on that scavenger hunt that will let people earn precursors.

edit: And you keep acting like the costs are too prohibitive for you to be able to ever afford, when you just told us you willingly trashed 400+ gold worth of daggers alone, and you trashed 8,000 other rares. The only thing keeping you from being able to afford a precursor at this point is your own refusal to do anything with your drops but throw them in the forge.

Darkdanjal.3401:

No offence but I putted over 2000 daggers in mystic forge to get spark the precurser and all I got is loss in gold, its the only thing that I need for incenerator I have a guildy that had 3 sparks in 200 daggers, it is just rediculous that players who are actually doing a lot more effort not getting anything….

can you please fix this stupid RNG generator as its totally unfair to players who are actually doing something and working for something….

Gz

Darkdanjal

It’s fair because everyone has a fair chance.. you can’t blame others for being luckier. All the socialism going on!!!

Also, interesting to see all the exaggerated amounts of rares put in the forge, you said you put over 10,000 rares? thats like 4000 gold, enough to buy almost every precursor.

ok for once think… a guildy got 3 sparks on 200 daggers and I got nothing on 10000 dagggers, that same guildy played half the hours I did… how is that even fair. its like players who are playing a lot more hours are getting less……

its like saying hey you play to much just leave the game for a while and see what you get after a couple of months… no MMO is designed for that

Darkdanjal.3401:

ok for once think… a guildy got 3 sparks on 200 daggers and I got nothing on 10000 dagggers, that same guildy played half the hours I did… how is that even fair. its like players who are playing a lot more hours are getting less……

its like saying hey you play to much just leave the game for a while and see what you get after a couple of months… no MMO is designed for that

No, he simply got lucky.

If you’ve been gambling for 10 years and won nothing, and some new first timer won $10,000, how is that fair?

Luck’s against you, but you can’t blame it for being against you. Honestly, you just got unlucky. You can’t whine about that.

well I didnt know playing or working more hours into a game should get you less…. lets say Mystic forge didnt exist how would you feel if a friend who played even less then half of the time you did and got more rewards then you?

Darkdanjal.3401:

ok for once think… a guildy got 3 sparks on 200 daggers and I got nothing on 10000 dagggers, that same guildy played half the hours I did… how is that even fair. its like players who are playing a lot more hours are getting less……

It’s fair because you chose to do it. Seriously, now you’re saying you trashed 10,000 dagger. If you sold them for 20 silver each you could have just skipped the precursor step and outright bought almost any legendary in the game.

You didn’t get less because you play more, you got less because, frankly, you have no idea what your loot is worth and you keep throwing gold away needlessly. You apparently hate the idea that you’re rewarded based on randomness, but you willingly chose use the forge 10,000 times.

Darkdanjal.3401:

well I didnt know playing or working more hours into a game should get you less…. lets say Mystic forge didnt exist how would you feel if a friend who played even less then half of the time you did and got more rewards then you?

Whatever that friend got, if it’s due to RNG, it’s luck. I can avoid working all my life and get rich by winning the lottery. Is it then unfair for people who have worked all their lives?

It doesn’t work that way. What would be unfair though, is if the friend was personally endorsed by ANet and selectively had better drops than I did even though he did nothing. But of course, that doesn’t happen.

Heijincks.9267:

Darkdanjal.3401:

well I didnt know playing or working more hours into a game should get you less…. lets say Mystic forge didnt exist how would you feel if a friend who played even less then half of the time you did and got more rewards then you?

Whatever that friend got, if it’s due to RNG, it’s luck. I can avoid working all my life and get rich by winning the lottery. Is it then unfair for people who have worked all their lives?

It doesn’t work that way. What would be unfair though, is if the friend was personally endorsed by ANet and selectively had better drops than I did even though he did nothing. But of course, that doesn’t happen.

You’re talking about equality, not fairness. Fair is treatment as each deserves or has earned, equality is treatment of everyone exactly the same. I had a teacher in high school that treated everybody ‘equally’, he hated everyone just the same and treated everyone at an equally low level. Under ‘equality’ everyone can be treated terribly or well, so long as everyone is treated the same; under ‘fairness’ everyone receives output equal to their input.

RNG is ‘equal’, it is not ‘fair’

Countdown for next MF complain thread in 3… 2… 1…

well, seeing those post just confirms my decision not to gamble, but seriously some of you say they can make 100g a day. So I have to ask: Are you trading precursors or other high priced things? Cause if you are, that is no big deal. It just won’t help people who try to get their precursor and don’t have 1000g.
I’m trying to buy my precursor since 2 months.
2 months ago I needed 250g more and guess what, today I need 300g more. So I farmed really much, but I need even more to buy it from the tp?
This is ridiculous. I won’t be able to buy it ever.
So which choice do I have? Gamble? Yeah we really see how great it works.
There is no monitoring of Anet at all. We will see if something changes with the next update. The last one was a big disappointment.
And if you really want to compare this game with rl, why couldn’t I raise a credit when the precursors were at 100g?

Ehra.5240:

Even if you personally don’t get a drop, other people do. You can sell your drops and buy what you want. It sounds difficult but, trust me, it’s not.

And if you absolutely refuse to use the TP in any way, then we do know that they’re working on that scavenger hunt that will let people earn precursors.

edit: And you keep acting like the costs are too prohibitive for you to be able to ever afford, when you just told us you willingly trashed 400+ gold worth of daggers alone, and you trashed 8,000 other rares. The only thing keeping you from being able to afford a precursor at this point is your own refusal to do anything with your drops but throw them in the forge.

Truth.

And sorry to say, there IS a choice, whether OP decides to face it or not. Your choice is to pursue a legendary, or not. As soon as you chose the former, your option to complain about the means of getting any of the required components became mute, because you knew what you were getting into. Otherwise, you’d have not flushed all those weapons down the magic toilet.

I trashed 250+ G on Rares that never got a Exotic out of it.
But for what it’s worth, there are recipes that aren’t RNG, so i fail to see what the exact problem is regarding it.
They already announced an alternative way to get precursors so to my udnerstanding the RNG is totally up to the player from that point on.

I can still make Recipes like mystic weaponry to whatever else sparkly i can get my hands on.

The other problem i might understand are the mystic clvoers, but yu still recieve something in return from it that actually benefits you in a way towards a legendary weapon.

Darkdanjal.3401:

All I ask is a way to actually farm the precurser and yeah to actually work for it…. I can hear the flaming already omg I cant get money anymore out of the TP as all the precursers are down in price….same with the one time Karka event….

and yes when precursers dropped in the karka event I bought several precursers that I sold for a much higher price….

what Im saying is a shout to casual players who cant even come close to a legendary because of the prices now on TP

Nobody forced you to put all those daggers into the forge you could have sold them and easily bought the precursor. What is there to argue here?

As it is now, we can have this debate all day.

Is RNG fair to the casual player? Is RNG fair to the devoted player?
No and no and also yes aaand yes.
The developers deliberately made this choice, and seeing that they have not revised it as of yet, it’s safe to say that it will likely not be subject to (extreme) change just yet. The fact the recipe for a legendary always requires four-leaved clovers, which hint toward luck as is, should perhaps be a big clue on what you are getting yourself into when you decide you want a legendary item.

What currently seperates Legendaries from all other gorgeous weapons that require multiple components isn’t just the sheer amount of extra materials; it’s the luck. Nothing but that. Simple as is.

I will not argue that it is a true shame they went for RNG rather than skill or effort, but it is as it is. Right now it is just a choice for those who decided to give it a go.
Do you waste gold on a gamble, or do you play the game, play the market and then buy the very same item all the same? Both ways comes a risk of losing money, but eh, if you feel so unlucky it might not be a bad idea to just take a while and gather coin to buy the darn thing. At least that way you’ll certainly soon hold your Legendary in hand.

Darkdanjal.3401:

man I gambled over 10000 rares on the forge so please dont give me this crap bullkitten that I shouldnt gamble, RNG shouldnt even there to begin with….dont be a bloody fanboy and use your sense in this, RNG should never be in any MMO, if you play a lot you should get what you want…..rewards should always be there….half of the GW2 community has everything they need except for the precurser on their legendary….

its just bullkitten that they are saying we cant control the market as they DO CONTROL the market in every way….what do you think Arenanet doesnt play and arent able to buy anything they like on the TP? guess again they are ingame and they control the market

Wow, if i threw in 10000 daggers and didn’t get a precursor, i’d just quit this game and go play a different MMO or something else. That in itself would be a sign to throw the disc out the window and uninstall.

You gambled, you lost. If you sold all those daggers you could have bought the item straight with gold, you wouldn’t be complaining if you got spark.

Darkdanjal.3401:

I love it but playing more doesnt do anything, it is just a total fail from Anet to not let players who spend more time to their game to not get the item they want….the guildy that I talk about doesnt even spend half the time that I do and still he has 1500 gold…. that is just stupid

So because you play more you should be more? That is not sound logic.

While I agree the whole precursor – legendary is a complete debacle, there is absolutely no reason why a player who plays more has more “rights” to anything in game than a player who plays less.