from todays patch (09/30/14 – September 30 Release Notes):
Items
The Infinite Watchknight Tonic can no longer be used in dungeons.
may i ask why?
this tonic is made only less and less useful:
1) it stays for only 5 minutes
2) it has 30 minutes cooldown??? why even? i never understood why at all this is necessary…
3) now it cant even be used in dungeons anymore … i really just dont understand at all why this change would be necessary or what it would be good for?
it is nothing severe and ofc i can live with it ^^
but just a detail that i wondered about… i mean why would anet make items worse without a reason?
or was there any exploit?
anet pls explain the logic behind the change
I was about 5 seconds away from making this exact topic.
It’s sad because this was one of the best rewards given out during season one. Or at least one of the most unique.
Now it’s just….useless, not that it was useful before, but still… Not sure why it needs a 5 minute duration AND a 30 minute reuse debuff. And not only that but you lose it if you die or switch areas, and you’re still stuck with the debuff.
If it was being used in a exploit, okay. Whatever. But it still seems lazy that instead of fixing the actual exploit they nerf this tonic further into uselessness.
I habitually use this in one dungeon – so my charr toon can complete the harpy fractal without major camera issues on the planks section. Happens every time without.
So now I’m likely going to fractal gear one of my human or asura chars, or find another tonic, that is usable in dungeons, that reduces my oversized, camera breaking charr to a “normal” size.
Perhaps ANet can fix their broken camera if using tonics isn’t acceptable. Or resize all charrs…
Seems an utterly ridiculous change to me. It’s not like it lasts very long.
I habitually use this in one dungeon – so my charr toon can complete the harpy fractal without major camera issues on the planks section. Happens every time without.
So now I’m likely going to fractal gear one of my human or asura chars, or find another tonic, that is usable in dungeons, that reduces my oversized, camera breaking charr to a “normal” size.
Perhaps ANet can fix their broken camera if using tonics isn’t acceptable. Or resize all charrs…
Seems an utterly ridiculous change to me. It’s not like it lasts very long.
Get the Ghostly Tonic from Ascalonian Catacombs. They drop often enough in the explorable paths and even then they are only 10 tokens each.
In regards to the watchknight tonic… Unless there was some sort of exploit this change is mind boggling….
Get the Ghostly Tonic from Ascalonian Catacombs. They drop often enough in the explorable paths and even then they are only 10 tokens each.
Ooh, didn’t think of those – thanks! I mostly NPC them, but I’m bound to have a few still in bags somewhere!
I guess they want to prevent horrible exploits in story dungeons, like so:
(We thought it was rather neat transforms worked in the cut scenes, so the whole party transformed for that step, when we were doing achievements)
I habitually use this in one dungeon – so my charr toon can complete the harpy fractal without major camera issues on the planks section. Happens every time without.
So now I’m likely going to fractal gear one of my human or asura chars, or find another tonic, that is usable in dungeons, that reduces my oversized, camera breaking charr to a “normal” size.
Perhaps ANet can fix their broken camera if using tonics isn’t acceptable. Or resize all charrs…
Seems an utterly ridiculous change to me. It’s not like it lasts very long.
Get the Ghostly Tonic from Ascalonian Catacombs. They drop often enough in the explorable paths and even then they are only 10 tokens each.
In regards to the watchknight tonic… Unless there was some sort of exploit this change is mind boggling….
I use the Endless Cat Tonic from the Laurel vendor on my Norn for the same purpose.
Edit: You can jump as a cat, and when you get one of the tiny kitten illusions, jumping puzzles are so easy.
I will never understand the logic behind removing fun, harmless things from the game. I really do hope there was an exploit. The only “exploit” I can think of was using the tonic then changing back in the second half of AC p3 which did nothing other than un-ghostify you. Which, if it had been like literally all the other tonics and simply couldn’t be used when transformed it wouldn’t have been a problem.
I’m only here because sometimes I just like to watch things burn.
This is the most ridiculous, absurd, laughable nonsensical idiotic ludicrous motion of all the days, there are hundreds if not thousand bots in gw1 to farm 50 points for gw2 players, and due to the lack of developers nothing can be done about it, and some one wasted time on something like this? It doesn’t matter if it was simple or small code edition, the very motion, it blows my mind like an asura being fired from the Vigil Mega Lazer straight into Tequatl’s face armed only with a spoon.
ps, it seems I can’t use the word co/ckeyed which means something that is awry, skew-whiff, lopsided, wonky, askew.
So, what was this exploit? What problems did it actual cause? From my perspective this seems a horrible change. The tonic was used for fun, can’t see any advantage other than being fun…well before the change today.
It’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
I loved to pop this tonic in dungeons just for fun, when there was some downtime in pug-runs for example :< What´s up for nerf next? Pointless quaggan tonic nerf maybe, hmm?
If there was an issue/exploit connected to this tonic that needed to be fixed, why on earth would they not at least put a vague explanation in the patch notes as to why this functionality has been removed?
I really don´t get it… Is this asking for too much? Maybe I should be happy it is mentioned in patch notes at all, unlike most of the “stealth-changes” to dungeons that happen quite frequently.
It makes me very sad that by now even small things like this trigger so much disappointment and distrust in a-nets transparency police in me.
Yeah, I’m baffled too. Why was this removed? O.o I mean, I never even used the tonic anyway, but what harm was it doing? The only reason I can think of is that some players have found a way to use it to exploit a dungeon, but ANet obviously don’t want to share knowledge of what that exploit is.
I’m not upset, because I’ve probably never used this it in a dungeon before anyway. (Although, with the five minute use, thirty-minute cooldown ratio, I hardly ever use it at all.) (Although, I can understand that some people did use it and enjoy it in dungeons.)
Mostly, I’m just confused. What problem is this change fixing? If the problem is fixed, why can’t we be told what the problem was in the patch notes?
It’s discouraging when we see things like this get changed for the worse with no obvious reason for it. I know there are people on the other side making these changes, but it makes game updates seem frustratingly random and arbitrary.
As everyone else stated, Anet… you took the time to make one of the most useless items in game even more useless???? If anything happened to this tonic, I’d hope it would be to increase the timer to 15 minutes and removed the cool down. THAT would be time well spent on it. Something players would appreciate to see.
this will drastically change how often i use my watchknight tonic, from zero to…. oh, wait.. nevermind
Why do you have it, if you never use it? ._.
I still have it also and never use it. My mule keeps it in storage.
I still have it in hopes that one day ANet will change that ridiculous use timer.
I wanted that thing so badly. I thought, and still do think, that the look is so cool and interesting. And I was so disappointed in it once I found out it’s only 5 minutes in 25. I still have hope, though I admit it’s a faint one.
I’m holding on to mine in the hope that it will someday be fixed.
Until then, it is slightly less worthless when sitting in a bank slot than it would be sitting in my character inventory actively getting in the way of loot.
I realize, given the trend, that it is more likely this item will be made even more worthless in the future, but I still can’t bring myself to delete it.
A rather sorry and depressing state of affairs, frankly, but there it is.
“Not the same, real and true. True you feel inside.
Always follow what is true.” — Sentry-skritt Bordekka
This is really right now more of an issue of lack of transparency. They changed functionality.. Why exactly? There didn’t seem to be anything wrong with the item to the vast majority of players. Instead its lost some degree of functionality with no explanation. Even if you weren’t using the item beforehand it raises questions.
I’d honestly have preferred if at the same time as they removed its ability to be used in dungeons that they had made it into a costume brawl item. Rather than straight up being a removal, it becomes an exchange of functionality, finding new uses.
The only reason I can think of for the nerf is the fact that the new updates anet is applying to the game can be exploited in some way through the use of the tonic.
I believe they modified the charrzooka consumable when the Great Jungle Wurm was released, because it clashed with something to do with the Harpoon gun at Amber wurm.
Maybe the Mordrem Vine Chambers (that require players to punch their way out if trapped) can be instantly exited by transforming?
still not sure…. but Anet always keeps us in the dark when it comes to patching exploits anyway…. so I’m not surprised by their silence on the issue.
Instead of fixing the root of exploit/glitch(if any) they decided to butcher an item that already has limited functionality, no wonder people are losing faith.
This is the most ridiculous, absurd, laughable nonsensical idiotic ludicrous motion of all the days, there are hundreds if not thousand bots in gw1 to farm 50 points for gw2 players, and due to the lack of developers nothing can be done about it, and some one wasted time on something like this? It doesn’t matter if it was simple or small code edition, the very motion, it blows my mind like an asura being fired from the Vigil Mega Lazer straight into Tequatl’s face armed only with a spoon.
ps, it seems I can’t use the word co/ckeyed which means something that is awry, skew-whiff, lopsided, wonky, askew.
I’m not familiar with this particular outrage on the forums. Are you saying it bothers you that some people might be botting in a different game for 50 AP in GW2?
This is the most ridiculous, absurd, laughable nonsensical idiotic ludicrous motion of all the days, there are hundreds if not thousand bots in gw1 to farm 50 points for gw2 players, and due to the lack of developers nothing can be done about it, and some one wasted time on something like this? It doesn’t matter if it was simple or small code edition, the very motion, it blows my mind like an asura being fired from the Vigil Mega Lazer straight into Tequatl’s face armed only with a spoon.
ps, it seems I can’t use the word co/ckeyed which means something that is awry, skew-whiff, lopsided, wonky, askew.
I’m not familiar with this particular outrage on the forums. Are you saying it bothers you that some people might be botting in a different game for 50 AP in GW2?
500 AP through 50 points in the Hall. That also includes skins, Minis and Titles. I don’t know if there’s a lot of botting going on tbh but if – Yeah then it’s quite unfair to the ones who grinded to 50 points by themself before gw2. Or the ones trying to do so by themself atm (God, managing those mob-groups with all the degeneration and regeneration is quite hard sometimes xD I’s so comfortable getting back to gw2 where you can pull 1 foe after another ^^’)
Oh and yeah I used the tonic aswell even though the 5 in 25min thing annoyed the hell out of me. Getting it nerfed even further just because some people use it for glitching is sad. They’d be better of in turning it in a brawler toy. Even though that’d delete like the only combat tonic in gw2 – That direction was awsome and I don’t know why they went on and abroad to kill it like that.
This is the most ridiculous, absurd, laughable nonsensical idiotic ludicrous motion of all the days, there are hundreds if not thousand bots in gw1 to farm 50 points for gw2 players, and due to the lack of developers nothing can be done about it, and some one wasted time on something like this? It doesn’t matter if it was simple or small code edition, the very motion, it blows my mind like an asura being fired from the Vigil Mega Lazer straight into Tequatl’s face armed only with a spoon.
ps, it seems I can’t use the word co/ckeyed which means something that is awry, skew-whiff, lopsided, wonky, askew.
I’m not familiar with this particular outrage on the forums. Are you saying it bothers you that some people might be botting in a different game for 50 AP in GW2?
500 AP through 50 points in the Hall. That also includes skins, Minis and Titles. I don’t know if there’s a lot of botting going on tbh but if – Yeah then it’s quite unfair to the ones who grinded to 50 points by themself before gw2. Or the ones trying to do so by themself atm (God, managing those mob-groups with all the degeneration and regeneration is quite hard sometimes xD I’s so comfortable getting back to gw2 where you can pull 1 foe after another ^^’)
Oh and yeah I used the tonic aswell even though the 5 in 25min thing annoyed the hell out of me. Getting it nerfed even further just because some people use it for glitching is sad. They’d be better of in turning it in a brawler toy. Even though that’d delete like the only combat tonic in gw2 – That direction was awsome and I don’t know why they went on and abroad to kill it like that.
Yea but quite honestly, the amount of work required in GW1 to essentially convert into titles/minis/skins/500AP is definitely not worth it. 500AP can be made up in a fraction of the time simply doing dailies/monthlies, not to mention every other source of AP in the game.
I dunno, it just seems like an odd thing to find unfair considering people have to put in a ton of work for very little reward (the skins/minis/titles mean nothing to me— and 500AP can be achieved in less than a month so..)
I say, if they want to grind out all 50 points in GW1 to get 500AP in GW2, more power to them, it’s a fabulous waste of time and one of the worst AP/hr sources that exists currently.
Do the item cooldown debuff now expire even when offline?
Since last time I checked, the cooldown debuff ticks only when online on that character…
It doesn not. :/
And at above: Yeah for you that’s fine if you don’t mind. I for example, want to have the gw skins, pet’s and minis. That’s why I only go for 30 pts and not 50 as those are just for titles.
