Guild Wars 2

Excuse the gibberish, it’s quite difficult to get item codes for new stuff that isn’t a mess like this.

http://i.imgur.com/MV1Vt.png

It’s probably a very low end infusion since we know they can be increased to go with the infinitely scaling dungeon.

Here’s the code in full, in case anybody feels like arguing about it being fake : [&AgEJkQAwDZWd0+4GAADzMS7fZRcAAA==]

No, that’s definitely not power creep.

And here I didn’t think this could get any more messed up.

Hopefully it’s just a bugged infusion that you dug up, and not one of the available ones.

I’m confused as to why anyone is surprised by this. They said there would be offensive and defensive infusions. Were people under the impression they meant something else beyond agony protection + an additional offensive or defensive style buff tacked on?

Yes. People were assuming they would not make the discrepancy between exotic and ascended gear even greater.

It’s sad how wrong they were.

Wow… all I can say is ‘wow’… or maybe I should spell it, ‘WoW’… UGH

I’m probably going to start playing WoW. If I want a game with vertical progression I might as well play the premiere one, not a kitten failiure of a game.

Derk.3189:

I’m probably going to start playing WoW. If I want a game with vertical progression I might as well play the premiere one, not a kitten failiure of a game.

At least WoW is honest about what it is and doesn’t change the very core of what it’s all about 3 months after release.

I play with two guilds, one euro, one north america. The majority of both have quit over this.

Anet, what’s wrong with you?

You explicitly said that exotics would be it for stat progression, that legendaries and exotics would be equal.

To literally bait and switch players like that is just plain stupid.

Have another code, this one’s a bit weird, no account binding and the look of a gem. Also has +5 vitality instead of condition damage.
[&Agj-kAAA]

Yeah that 8% just jumped to about what14%?

It’s actually about 16 percent now, yes.

Here’s the thing. If Ascended has already been stated to be a tier above Exotic, I don’t exactly view it as a crime for them to be even better, given we already knew that they were superior. This doesn’t really change anything – and Anet has spoken, they’ve already introduced this content. Feedback is crucial, but going up in arms about it won’t resolve anything nicely. Just a thought.

Is there a Bug ? i cant create a Panda character ?

Maybe when the population and cash shop is down to nothing theyll stop copying WoW and make their OWN game.

Do you understand that infusion slots are actually replacing upgrade slots, so in ascended gear there will be no slots for runes. So, there will be infusions instead of runes. What stats they have? +5 to power/vitality/and so on. Even if you assume, that its the lest powerful infusion and that infusions will have +20 stats, its anyway even less than stats that runes give. I don’t see any reason here to act as a child and whine or cry out loud. From what we have seen so far, ascended gear won’t be much better than exotic in stats, so just relax.

Dimalit.7543:

Do you understand that infusion slots are actually replacing upgrade slots, so in ascended gear there will be no slots for runes. So, there will be infusions instead of runes. What stats they have? +5 to power/vitality/and so on. Even if you assume, that its the lest powerful infusion and that infusions will have +20 stats, its anyway even less than stats that runes give. I don’t see any reason here to act as a child and whine or cry out loud. From what we have seen so far, ascended gear won’t be much better than exotic in stats, so just relax.

Ascended items automatically include the stats of exotic + rune/crest/jewel + 8% of the total extra. And now in addition to that, also stats on infusions. Exotics have now officially been demoted to salvaging/MF fodder.

@Dimalit: Ascended items already have the bonuses from their Runes/Sigils built INTO them though. You can see it in the example Linsey gave with Yakkington’s Ring. It’s combined stats already exceeded that of an Exquisite Opal Ring, even without an upgrade, and now you can stack further Infusion buffs on top of it.

Wow… I now take back everything I’ve ever said defending Anet with this whole Ascended Gear fiasco. I guess the Ascended Gear was a really bad idea.

Dimalit.7543:

Do you understand that infusion slots are actually replacing upgrade slots, so in ascended gear there will be no slots for runes. So, there will be infusions instead of runes. What stats they have? +5 to power/vitality/and so on. Even if you assume, that its the lest powerful infusion and that infusions will have +20 stats, its anyway even less than stats that runes give. I don’t see any reason here to act as a child and whine or cry out loud. From what we have seen so far, ascended gear won’t be much better than exotic in stats, so just relax.

For crying out loud, Ascended gear base stats > Exotic gear base stats + upgrade. Now the infusion is just icing on the cake.

When rare infusions come out you can expect +30 stats each.

Rarer infusions will probably be much more powerful than that. It looks like my Exotic gear will now be even more worthless than before.

They said they will use infusion slots to push progress in the future. So even if they don’t add new tiers in the future, expect stronger infusion slots.

Derk.3189:

Dimalit.7543:

Do you understand that infusion slots are actually replacing upgrade slots, so in ascended gear there will be no slots for runes. So, there will be infusions instead of runes. What stats they have? +5 to power/vitality/and so on. Even if you assume, that its the lest powerful infusion and that infusions will have +20 stats, its anyway even less than stats that runes give. I don’t see any reason here to act as a child and whine or cry out loud. From what we have seen so far, ascended gear won’t be much better than exotic in stats, so just relax.

For crying out loud, Ascended gear base stats > Exotic gear base stats + upgrade. Now the infusion is just icing on the cake.

When rare infusions come out you can expect +30 stats each.

You didn’t think it would end at Ascended gear did you, the genie is out of the bottle and the hungger for stat infused items will just grow from here

I think I’m out. I like to play alts, and GW2 out of the box was quite friendly to this style of play with easy to reach max level and BiS items. Gear grind increases the gap between casual and hardcore players, but it also punishes alt players.

I think the only way this would turn out ok is if the Ascended gear can only be used in the Ascended dungeons. This would contain the gear treadmill and keep it out of WvW, open world PvP, and the non-Ascended dungeons.

[&AgHwKAAA]
So yeah, quite a bit better than an exotic

50 Power
71 Toughness
4% Crit Damage
32Toughness
18 Power
4% crit damage

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

Merthax.5172:

I think I’m out. I like to play alts, and GW2 out of the box was quite friendly to this style of play with easy to reach max level and BiS items. Gear grind increases the gap between casual and hardcore players, but it also punishes alt players.

I think the only way this would turn out ok is if the Ascended gear can only be used in the Ascended dungeons. This would contain the gear treadmill and keep it out of WvW, open world PvP, and the non-Ascended dungeons.

Ascended gear only being used in ascended dungeons is a great idea. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the intent.

Ah well.

For the love of all that is holy. I’m disappointed in Anet.

LordGustoff.3752:

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

According to the pic, even if infusions were fractals only the base stats on ascended gear is already higher than a fully upgraded exotic equivilent.

That’s it.

Bye Arenanet.

Siebenstein.1376:

That’s it.

Bye Arenanet.

Same here.

I havn’t logged in since I read the blog. Now it hurts just to come read. All hope that my beloved game will not be murdered is gone. I don’t see how anythign less then a full reversion will bring me back.

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good.

If they keep adding more armor ranks (which I highly doubt they will, sounds more like the infusion thing will be the future) then go ahead and panic, but until then at least wait till you try out the new content to complain. Also about the infusion thing, to me it just sounds like a higher level rune/sigil, and considering that the highest level rune/sigil is 60 I don’t see a problem in this whatsoever.

OEXTRA.1780:

but until then at least wait till you try out the new content to complain.

If you give a mouse a cookie….

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good.

If they keep adding more armor ranks (which I highly doubt they will, sounds more like the infusion thing will be the future) then go ahead and panic, but until then at least wait till you try out the new content to complain. Also about the infusion thing, to me it just sounds like a higher level rune/sigil, and considering that the highest level rune/sigil is 60 I don’t see a problem in this whatsoever.

That’s because you don’t have full exotic yet, its vastly different to full rare, which is vastly different to full masterwork. People angry at the stat changes is because Arenanet has just lied to our faces.

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world?

first off most people would have stuck with a dedicated pve game if they wanted to grind items like its their job. there are already several fully fleshed out games dedicated to grinding items that cater to the no-lifer crowds making them feel like spending their life in front of a monitor is rewarding in some way.

and secondly, its been 3 months and they already have the next ‘tier’ of gear released. do you honestly think this will be the end of it?

aocypher.9172:

LordGustoff.3752:

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

According to the pic, even if infusions were fractals only the base stats on ascended gear is already higher than a fully upgraded exotic equivilent.

Point. Counterpoint:
The Fractals dungeon is only available in the new level 80 area, which means that exotics have to be enough in order to play in the area. People doing the dungeon for the first time will only have exotic gear, so the ascended gear is still only neccssary for Hard Mode. Also, it has been stated that the difficultly for the dungeon resets every week, mean every week you start at level 1 difficulty; again no need for the gera if you don’t want to. So, still not effect as of yet on PvE, only the dungeon, only hard mode. The only people who should have a gripe with the new gear are WvWorlders

Derk.3189:

I’m probably going to start playing WoW. If I want a game with vertical progression I might as well play the premiere one

I know, right? At least WoW is entirely based on it so it has a good model.

Rhyse.8176:

Siebenstein.1376:

That’s it.

Bye Arenanet.

Same here.

I havn’t logged in since I read the blog. Now it hurts just to come read. All hope that my beloved game will not be murdered is gone. I don’t see how anythign less then a full reversion will bring me back.

Haha me too. Read blog post → Control Panel → Uninstall Guild Wars 2.

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good..

Because they sold the game on the basis there would not be vertical gear progression nor a load of gear grind and that people could play it their own way (now people who stay will be forced to do dungeons to play WvW), which is why many of us bought it, within 3 months they have totally gone back on their word.

Also people don’t just PvE, we do WvW, once they’ve added ascended to all the slots it will make a big difference vs exotics.

Lots of us are quitting over this and I doubt this change is going to help the game that much, because many of the people it appeals to also like things like raids, specfic roles, addons, etc.

Derk.3189:

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good.

If they keep adding more armor ranks (which I highly doubt they will, sounds more like the infusion thing will be the future) then go ahead and panic, but until then at least wait till you try out the new content to complain. Also about the infusion thing, to me it just sounds like a higher level rune/sigil, and considering that the highest level rune/sigil is 60 I don’t see a problem in this whatsoever.

That’s because you don’t have full exotic yet, its vastly different to full rare, which is vastly different to full masterwork. People angry at the stat changes is because Arenanet has just lied to our faces.

On the surface it seems “vastly different” but honestly it’s not that different. Back when I 1st played and went from full materwork to full rare, I didn’t feel/see much of a difference. The only thing that was really different was the color of the armor name. What truly made a difference for me was my build, everything else was minor in comparison.

“oh you dont have tier3 gear? you need to go grind the new dungeon for items or you will just get owned in WvW. sorry.”

I can’t wait to progress through dungeons with infusions.

Looks so fun!

PvE here we come weeeeeeeeeeeeee

LordGustoff.3752:

aocypher.9172:

LordGustoff.3752:

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

According to the pic, even if infusions were fractals only the base stats on ascended gear is already higher than a fully upgraded exotic equivilent.

Point. Counterpoint:
The Fractals dungeon is only available in the new level 80 area, which means that exotics have to be enough in order to play in the area. People doing the dungeon for the first time will only have exotic gear, so the ascended gear is still only neccssary for Hard Mode. Also, it has been stated that the difficultly for the dungeon resets every week, mean every week you start at level 1 difficulty; again no need for the gera if you don’t want to. So, still not effect as of yet on PvE, only the dungeon, only hard mode. The only people who should have a gripe with the new gear are WvWorlders

Even better !

It mean its nearly mantadory have a full exotic to enter this dungeons ( it mean loosing hours, and hours or many many gold ) to finaly trash all your work to farm this ascended set.

Ahha !

200% gear treadmill. You gated the content like a master chief.

Excelent work Anet. ( irony inside )

OEXTRA.1780:

On the surface it seems “vastly different” but honestly it’s not that different. Back when I 1st played and went from full materwork to full rare, I didn’t feel/see much of a difference. The only thing that was really different was the color of the armor name. What truly made a difference for me was my build, everything else was minor in comparison.

It made a pretty noticeable difference to me. I play an Ele, and as the super-squishy class, every stat point counts and is very noticeable.

Lopez.7369:

The best part is they specifically said they will use infusion slots to push progress in the future. So even if they don’t add new tiers in the future, expect stronger infusion slots.

This right here.

Fritz.5026:

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world?

first off most people would have stuck with a dedicated pve game if they wanted to grind items like its their job. there are already several fully fleshed out games dedicated to grinding items that cater to the no-lifer crowds making them feel like spending their life in front of a monitor is rewarding in some way.

and secondly, its been 3 months and they already have the next ‘tier’ of gear released. do you honestly think this will be the end of it?

It seriously doesn’t take much time to attain any piece of exotic. I’d be full exotic out if I decided to collect the other dungeon sets, but alas the dungeon set I want (CoE) is hardly played by anyone on my server. At 1st I was just going to go ahead and get the CoF armor since that always gets played but after getting 3 pieces in like 2-3 days, I decided to stop since I don’t really like how the armor looks. Since then I’ve been logging on to see if I could get a CoE party and if I can’t I log off.

Long story short, if I wasn’t stubborn and picky, I could’ve been had full exotic in a week tops. But it’s not really necessary. And as I said yeah, I highly doubt new ranks will be added later, if anything just new infusions (which sound like runes/sigils to me).

LordGustoff.3752:

Though, now that I have had time to think about it… is it possible that the stats on the infusions only take effect when in the Fractals? In which case this is perfectly fine. Infusions wouldn’t affect PvE or PvP/WvW… you would only need better infusions to do Fractal OMFGHARDMODE

:( Till the very end huh?

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good.

Honestly, do you REALLY thing that Anet will stop the gear treadmill with the ascended set ? dont be so naive. They wont never stop. In 4-5month it will have another dungeon with another more powerfull gear, mandatory farm here we are.

They started down the road of the most annoying thing of ALL MMOs after only 3 months, and especialy after selling their own game as a mmo where you dont have to grind gear.

And that’s the real problem.

Saying : “if you hate mmo, you should definitely check at GW2” Oh yeah ? i hate mmo ( because they all are about gear grind ) i check GW2 and…. tadammm oooh gear grind !

Sylosi.6503:

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good..

Because they sold the game on the basis there would not be vertical gear progression nor a load of gear grind and that people could play it their own way (now people who stay will be forced to do dungeons to play WvW), which is why many of us bought it, within 3 months they have totally gone back on their word.

Also people don’t just PvE, we do WvW, once they’ve added ascended to all the slots it will make a big difference vs exotics.

Lots of us are quitting over this and I doubt this change is going to help the game that much, because many of the people it appeals to also like things like raids, specfic roles, addons, etc.

1. Exotics are top gear now….are people forced to get a full set for WvW? No….they’re not.
2. Wait till the content comes out to make such claims as “once they’ve added ascended to all the slots it will make a big difference vs exotics”.
3. If you want to overreact and quit before at least waiting for the content to come out, go ahead, but honestly it’s a tad ridiculous if you ask me.

OEXTRA.1780:

Sylosi.6503:

OEXTRA.1780:

I’m greatly disjointed in how most of you forum gamers are behaving. Yeah sure the new armor rank has its ups and downs but why are ya’ll acting like it’s the end of the world? So what the stats are better, but not enough to make exotic obsolete. Hell I don’t even have full exotic yet, yet I have no problems completing any and all PvE content because (gasp) gear isn’t that important in this game. It helps, but this isn’t a heavily gear based game, so really as long as your build is good, and your wep is good enough, it’s all good..

Because they sold the game on the basis there would not be vertical gear progression nor a load of gear grind and that people could play it their own way (now people who stay will be forced to do dungeons to play WvW), which is why many of us bought it, within 3 months they have totally gone back on their word.

Also people don’t just PvE, we do WvW, once they’ve added ascended to all the slots it will make a big difference vs exotics.

Lots of us are quitting over this and I doubt this change is going to help the game that much, because many of the people it appeals to also like things like raids, specfic roles, addons, etc.

1. Exotics are top gear now….are people forced to get a full set for WvW? No….they’re not.
2. Wait till the content comes out to make such claims as “once they’ve added ascended to all the slots it will make a big difference vs exotics”.
3. If you want to overreact and quit before at least waiting for the content to come out, go ahead, but honestly it’s a tad ridiculous if you ask me.

I hate to say it to you, but you really need to get full exotic before continuing this debate. I cut through people like butter in WvW with my full exotic gear. There’s a very, very noticeable difference. Especially when percentages get ramped up, like with Berserker gear.

Secondly, the best thing about this tier system is you know exactly how each tier increases in comparison to another. So if this is happening to the rings and trinkets now, it will be exactly the same for armor. Lets not be naive here, are they gonna have ascended gear with exotic stats? No.