Guild Wars 2

Sup. I have seen that the difference in game on exotic and ascended armour is gone from 5% to 10%

Now personal i do not care ill play craft ascended etc. But for toons that i have in exotic does this deem them useless or very under powered or is exotic getting buffed as well.

How is it working. In wvw this could be big if the gap gets bigger.

Attributes on all equipment is being increased by ~30%

Ascended is just getting 5% more on the whole 30%

So 35% instead of staying at the same ratio it is now.

People complained about no content?
HERES YOUR CONTENT YOU NEED TO GRIND ENDLESSLY FOR A MONTH FOR THIS GEAR <3

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

It is also my understanding that ascended gets an extra 5% on top of any other kind of compensation that gear gets in general in order to compensate for the trait adjustments.

This starts to look like a rather noticeable (mandatory?) advantage over exotic gear…

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Anyone know if that extra 5% is gaming changing for pve and wvw.

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

Easy to test out by going to any low level zone or even Twilight Arbor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBgIaO4OW_HHi_nEgtfH35kxEl7GaE7MbLKVVlVkKmM/edit#gid=0

Mightybird.6034:

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

I have like 14 chars, dont think I will see the day that even one of them is running in full ascended.

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

I have like 14 chars, dont think I will see the day that even one of them is running in full ascended.

I have 6 but I really only tend to play one in 80 content. I can practically say you do the same. And it’s not soulbound. You really only need 3 sets. Not 14. Beyond that its always nice to not be 100% decked out. Drops are fun.

The majority of the stats come from leggings and chest. So really for 6 pieces you could have all 14 of your characters well enough covered.

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

Easy to test out by going to any low level zone or even Twilight Arbor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBgIaO4OW_HHi_nEgtfH35kxEl7GaE7MbLKVVlVkKmM/edit#gid=0

What am i looking at.

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

Easy to test out by going to any low level zone or even Twilight Arbor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBgIaO4OW_HHi_nEgtfH35kxEl7GaE7MbLKVVlVkKmM/edit#gid=0

What am i looking at.

It’s easier to just test it out and see for yourself. If you have full ascended, go to a low level area. I went to the Twilight Armor dungeon. Look and see what your stats are currently. Take off a piece of equipment and compare.

Also note that the increased weapon strength (the damage range listed on the weapon) that ascended weapons have are not applied when you’re down-scaled.

Edit: Here’s another link about it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/2mgibt/why_ascended_gear_is_a_big_joke_in_pve/

Well, for those saying you can get 3 sets to cover all your chars, do remember that if you have a particular look on each char, you’ll need 6 T charges each time you move the set from one char to another. You’ll also need to remember what color combinations you choose for each char. In addition, cultural armor skins won’t transfer so if you are, for example, transferring a skin with a Sylvari cultural skin to a Norn cultural skin, you’ll first need to transmute the look to something noncultural, switch, then change the look to the Norn cultural.

Mightybird.6034:

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

I have like 14 chars, dont think I will see the day that even one of them is running in full ascended.

I have 6 but I really only tend to play one in 80 content. I can practically say you do the same. And it’s not soulbound. You really only need 3 sets. Not 14. Beyond that its always nice to not be 100% decked out. Drops are fun.

The majority of the stats come from leggings and chest. So really for 6 pieces you could have all 14 of your characters well enough covered.

I have 2 accounts, and except for my mesmer I play them all. Condi, power, cele. I need way more than what you suggest.

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

Easy to test out by going to any low level zone or even Twilight Arbor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBgIaO4OW_HHi_nEgtfH35kxEl7GaE7MbLKVVlVkKmM/edit#gid=0

What am i looking at.

It’s easier to just test it out and see for yourself. If you have full ascended, go to a low level area. I went to the Twilight Armor dungeon. Look and see what your stats are currently. Take off a piece of equipment and compare.

Also note that the increased weapon strength (the damage range listed on the weapon) that ascended weapons have are not applied when you’re down-scaled.

I understand i need to be in game. Cheers.

darkaheart.4265:

why are people always complaining about everything?
the difference is barely even noticeable yet people spent around +70g per ascended craft item + the 500 crafting rating they first have to achieve in order to craft ascended armor and weapons.
but obviously others dont value that, while some are willing to go the extra mile and achieve that 5% while the rest just sit on their behind and complain.

check out the picture i quickly put together and notice the difference between a warrior’s full berserker ascended + wvw mighty and resilient infusions vs a full berserker exotic and youll see that sometimes its not even worth crafting ascended armor/weapons for those who keep complaining.
ascended trinkets are the only thing worth obtaining and those dont even cost gold.

Because they are going to be 10% better with the next patch perhaps?

Well, if nothing else, when we point out that Ascended was a bad idea, we won’t have to hear “It’s only a 5% increase” any more. That’s something.

I guess.

aspirine.6852:

darkaheart.4265:

why are people always complaining about everything?
the difference is barely even noticeable yet people spent around +70g per ascended craft item + the 500 crafting rating they first have to achieve in order to craft ascended armor and weapons.
but obviously others dont value that, while some are willing to go the extra mile and achieve that 5% while the rest just sit on their behind and complain.

check out the picture i quickly put together and notice the difference between a warrior’s full berserker ascended + wvw mighty and resilient infusions vs a full berserker exotic and youll see that sometimes its not even worth crafting ascended armor/weapons for those who keep complaining.
ascended trinkets are the only thing worth obtaining and those dont even cost gold.

Because they are going to be 10% better with the next patch perhaps?

I never said i was moaning im asking a question.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Well, for those saying you can get 3 sets to cover all your chars, do remember that if you have a particular look on each char, you’ll need 6 T charges each time you move the set from one char to another. You’ll also need to remember what color combinations you choose for each char. In addition, cultural armor skins won’t transfer so if you are, for example, transferring a skin with a Sylvari cultural skin to a Norn cultural skin, you’ll first need to transmute the look to something noncultural, switch, then change the look to the Norn cultural.

if you care more about looks then stats why complain? Although I would 100% be for an option to simply unlock ascended stats once you craft them and have them available to all characters. Don’t get me wrong.

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

I have like 14 chars, dont think I will see the day that even one of them is running in full ascended.

I have 6 but I really only tend to play one in 80 content. I can practically say you do the same. And it’s not soulbound. You really only need 3 sets. Not 14. Beyond that its always nice to not be 100% decked out. Drops are fun.

The majority of the stats come from leggings and chest. So really for 6 pieces you could have all 14 of your characters well enough covered.

I have 2 accounts, and except for my mesmer I play them all. Condi, power, cele. I need way more than what you suggest.

You joking? Why should I care? You also get 2x log in rewards. are you actually saying…I don’t even. Its your own fault for having two accounts, no one cares.

Mightybird.6034:

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

aspirine.6852:

Mightybird.6034:

I Iike it I think. And no I don’t have asc armor yet. Gives me something to work toward. Before saving up (I had just started it before I read about this patch) had felt like a waste with how expensive asc armor is. Now it feels like it’ll be worth it.

I have like 14 chars, dont think I will see the day that even one of them is running in full ascended.

I have 6 but I really only tend to play one in 80 content. I can practically say you do the same. And it’s not soulbound. You really only need 3 sets. Not 14. Beyond that its always nice to not be 100% decked out. Drops are fun.

The majority of the stats come from leggings and chest. So really for 6 pieces you could have all 14 of your characters well enough covered.

I have 2 accounts, and except for my mesmer I play them all. Condi, power, cele. I need way more than what you suggest.

You joking? Why should I care? You also get 2x log in rewards. are you actually saying…I don’t even. Its your own fault for having two accounts, no one cares.

Oh so now it’s my fault for believing that there would be no gear treadmill?

Personally, this change is going to kitten me over. I’m a WvW player (95% of my time is there) and yet I only have 2 ascended items form drops on my guardian and the rest is exotic. I have an Exotic Necro, Ele, and Warrior as well. I hate crafting and stupid time sinks (map completion) and can’t stand the kittenty PvE this game has. Being a WvW’er my gold hovers around 100g due to the constant need for buying food, the changing meta, and donating gold to commanders to help for siege. I’ll never be able to get ascended items because of how I play, but now I’ll feel this 10% difference a lot more and fell less helpful to my guild and my community. I’ve played on my serious GvG and zerg busting teams and have always outlived full ascended guildmates of mine. Hopefully I still can after this patch or I might have to move on and find a new WvW game.

This change is an unsubstantiated claim by a third party site. I suggest waiting for ANet to confirm it before bringing out the torches and pitchforks.

I do agree that it would be a crappy move on their part even though I don’t care about min-maxing. I do care about their philosophy of not having gear make a serious enough difference to fret over maxing it. However, I remain skeptical that this is actually happening. Don’t let a hoaxer troll you guys. After all, if it’s really happening, it’s happening soon enough that no one needs to change their game actions based on it in the interim.

Gellrock.4073:

Personally, this change is going to kitten me over. I’m a WvW player (95% of my time is there) and yet I only have 2 ascended items form drops on my guardian and the rest is exotic. I have an Exotic Necro, Ele, and Warrior as well. I hate crafting and stupid time sinks (map completion) and can’t stand the kittenty PvE this game has. Being a WvW’er my gold hovers around 100g due to the constant need for buying food, the changing meta, and donating gold to commanders to help for siege. I’ll never be able to get ascended items because of how I play, but now I’ll feel this 10% difference a lot more and fell less helpful to my guild and my community. I’ve played on my serious GvG and zerg busting teams and have always outlived full ascended guildmates of mine. Hopefully I still can after this patch or I might have to move on and find a new WvW game.

In before “WvW is inherently unbalanced, so gear disparity doesn’t matter.”

Though I agree with you.

Gellrock.4073:

Personally, this change is going to kitten me over. I’m a WvW player (95% of my time is there) and yet I only have 2 ascended items form drops on my guardian and the rest is exotic. I have an Exotic Necro, Ele, and Warrior as well. I hate crafting and stupid time sinks (map completion) and can’t stand the kittenty PvE this game has. Being a WvW’er my gold hovers around 100g due to the constant need for buying food, the changing meta, and donating gold to commanders to help for siege. I’ll never be able to get ascended items because of how I play, but now I’ll feel this 10% difference a lot more and fell less helpful to my guild and my community. I’ve played on my serious GvG and zerg busting teams and have always outlived full ascended guildmates of mine. Hopefully I still can after this patch or I might have to move on and find a new WvW game.

Extra weird that they are changing the wxp points to help new players not to feel weak, and change ascended to make vets more powerful compared to the new players.

I don’t like this change.

Being bullied and then bullying, purely due to gear, is never a good thing.

There again, as others have said, there is so much imbalance anyway that it probably still won’t be anywhere near the worst of the game’s issues.

Mightybird.6034:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Well, for those saying you can get 3 sets to cover all your chars, do remember that if you have a particular look on each char, you’ll need 6 T charges each time you move the set from one char to another. You’ll also need to remember what color combinations you choose for each char. In addition, cultural armor skins won’t transfer so if you are, for example, transferring a skin with a Sylvari cultural skin to a Norn cultural skin, you’ll first need to transmute the look to something noncultural, switch, then change the look to the Norn cultural.

if you care more about looks then stats why complain? Although I would 100% be for an option to simply unlock ascended stats once you craft them and have them available to all characters. Don’t get me wrong.

Most people do care about the looks of their characters once they get to level 80 as well as the chosen stats for their chars (which is also destroyed be switching one armor set as suggested on this thread, Try being a Condition based necro as well as a Power based Mesmer with this setup). How many do you see that have generic armor on their chars? Almost everyone has a carefully selected look with armor they have dyed to the exact colors they want. If they are switching armors between chars that will need to be recreated with each switch. While most people have a good number of T charges, 6 or 7 charges a switch will eat through them pretty fast.

Switching one set between 3 chars isn’t practical for both stat reasons or cosmetic reasons.

I really don’t like this, especially considering Damask is so expensive. I hope that arena-net looks at the cost of Ascended gear for light armor if they are going ahead with these buffs to ascended gear. It’s just unmanageable for me to afford even for my main necro, much less my alts.

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

Ayrilana.1396:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Not really due to the stat caps.

Im being thick as 2 short planks. What do mean the stat caps.

Easy to test out by going to any low level zone or even Twilight Arbor.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DBgIaO4OW_HHi_nEgtfH35kxEl7GaE7MbLKVVlVkKmM/edit#gid=0

Actually, since they’re also changing the scaling down to be less impactful, it will make a bigger difference than it does currently.

As an altoholic I hate this change. And since condi builds may be a thing, even more will suffer.

Roan.5194:

So now they just want their kittening game to transform in a farm fest, where kiddies with no jobs will get all the benefits

kitten you ArenaNet, i’m your main form of sustain as I spend my money on your game, but now you spit on us

Three ways to show your disapproval. The first, posting on the forums, is probably the least impactful.

Stop logging in. Stop spending money.

I hope those patch notes are fake…All that harping about horizontal progression yet they’re going to buff asc armor anyways?

Donari.5237:

This change is an unsubstantiated claim by a third party site. I suggest waiting for ANet to confirm it before bringing out the torches and pitchforks.

I do agree that it would be a crappy move on their part even though I don’t care about min-maxing. I do care about their philosophy of not having gear make a serious enough difference to fret over maxing it. However, I remain skeptical that this is actually happening. Don’t let a hoaxer troll you guys. After all, if it’s really happening, it’s happening soon enough that no one needs to change their game actions based on it in the interim.

It seems the hoaxer has already trolled some people. Is there any place that Anet has even stated how much they are adding to each of the armor sets, and by that i mean how much per level. White, blue, green, yellow, exotic, ascended? I havent seen anything yet, but it makes more sense for them to just add stat points to each armor and keep it lined up with what they already have than it would be to just throw stat points out there.

1. Is there some citation with these numbers?
2. Is ANet adding a percentage bonus to all gear regardless of gear tier? If so, wow.

IndigoSundown.5419:

1. Is there some citation with these numbers?

Dragonseason, Dulfy, and GW2Guru have all posted them.

1. Is ANet adding a percentage bonus to all gear regardless of gear tier? If so, wow.

All gear gets a 30% increase due to removal of stats from the trait system. The gap between exotic and ascended changes from 5% to 10%.

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Anyone know if that extra 5% is gaming changing for pve and wvw.

The 5% difference is only compared to exotic. In the end a full set of ascended armor
gives a character 1-2% more damage. After that change it will be 2-4% more then.

Everyone has to decide on his own how game changing that really is.

Beldin.5498:

jknrich.1549:

So will there be a big difference in dungeons and so on. We will start seeing lfg saying ascended only.

Anyone know if that extra 5% is gaming changing for pve and wvw.

The 5% difference is only compared to exotic. In the end a full set of ascended armor
gives a character 1-2% more damage. After that change it will be 2-4% more then.

Everyone has to decide on his own how game changing that really is.

Just for clarification, are you referring to full ascended versus full exotic or ascended with exotic armor vs full ascended?

aspirine.6852:

Oh so now it’s my fault for believing that there would be no gear treadmill?

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VERY clearly referencing your number of accounts. No one cares. Its your fault for having two accounts.

Mightybird.6034:

aspirine.6852:

Oh so now it’s my fault for believing that there would be no gear treadmill?

VERY clearly referencing your number of accounts. No one cares. Its your fault for having two accounts. [/quote]2 accounts with fully geared exotic chars. That is easily affordable. The 5000 gold it would take to make ascended for them all is not.

aspirine.6852:

2 accounts with fully geared exotic chars. That is easily affordable. The 5000 gold it would take to make ascended for them all is not.

You can buy 9 sets of ascended light armor for 5K gold. Do you really need that many sets?

Gibson.4036:

The gap between exotic and ascended changes from 5% to 10%.

So, not only is a higher percentage of one’s stats on gear than before, the Asc. crafting abomination becomes that much more “necessary.” It’s not even that Asc. is getting a 30% buff to its existing stats, because that would increase the gap by 30%, not by 100%. What a massive display of disregard for any fan who did not want BiS stat grind. I’ll leave my real feelings unsaid, just give me the infraction.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Gibson.4036:

The gap between exotic and ascended changes from 5% to 10%.

So, not only is a higher percentage of one’s stats on gear than before, the Asc. crafting abomination becomes that much more “necessary.” It’s not even that Asc. is getting a 30% buff to its existing stats, because that would increase the gap by 30%, not by 100%. What a massive display of disregard for any fan who did not want BiS stat grind. I’ll leave my real feelings unsaid, just give me the infraction.

Both exotic and ascended are getting a 30% buff. In fact, I think all armor is. The only difference is that ascended is getting an additional 5%.

Ayrilana.1396:

aspirine.6852:

2 accounts with fully geared exotic chars. That is easily affordable. The 5000 gold it would take to make ascended for them all is not.

You can buy 9 sets of ascended light armor for 5K gold. Do you really need that many sets?

I couls share some I guess, but not with my second account. So I would need atleast 6 I guess And the weapon sets that go with it :/ But right now I have around 28 exotic sets, for all occaisons lets say

Will an average player using exotic gear be able to do all the new content (and old content, higher fractals aside because they’re largely scaled up versions of doable lower fractals) and continue to be effective in all modes of WvW?

int randInt return.3280:

Will an average player using exotic gear be able to do all the new content (and old content, higher fractals aside because they’re largely scaled up versions of doable lower fractals) and continue to be effective in all modes of WvW?

In the thread that got closed , you gave some number :

‘’…to this gap:
Exotic Armor Stats + 30% (Projected):
410/291/291
Ascended Armor Stats, Exotic+10% (Projected):
451/320/320
(41 main, 29 minor) ’’

So if we take those 41 extra points (lets say thet are Condition) and use the formula , that have been given :
a) Bleeding: :2+(0.3*Level) + (0.075 * Condition Damage)
> Base damage will be 56 per sec, (3+ with with the 10% with Ascended) per stack
> with 25 Bleeds , base dps will be 1400 damage per sec , (75+ with Ascended)

b) Burning: : 7.5+(1.55*Level) + (0.155 * Condition Damage)
> Base damage 197 DPS per sec , (6+with the 10% with Ascended) per stack
> with 15 stacks , base dps will be 2955 , (90+ with Ascended)

c)Poison: : 3.5+(0.375*Level) + (.06*Condition Damage)
> Base damage 59 DPS ,(2+ with Ascended)
> with 25 stacks , base damage 1475 , (50+ with Ascended)

d) Confusion: :
New trigger damage: 3.5+(0.575*Level) + (0.0625*Condition Damage)
New damage over time: 2+(0.3*Level) + (0.04*Condition Damage)
> Base damage 76 DPS ,(4+ with Ascended) per stack
> with 20 stacks , base dps will be 1520 ,(80+ with Ascended)

In total Enginner with Exotic gear (with 410 stats) = 7350 Damage Per Sec , if you can unload and maintain all these stacks
Enginner with Ascended gear (+10% boost- 451 stats) = 7645 DPS ,
(295 damage per sec increase or 3,86% )

w8 a sec ….
WHY THE @ ARE YOU NERFING MY CLASS ????$$#!$$$#$!!!!
/throw keyboard …..

Content has been designed around exotic, not around ascended. The introduction of core specs isn’t changing that.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Content has been designed around exotic, not around ascended. The introduction of core specs isn’t changing that.

this.

considering the many skill/trait changes, i’m amazed so many are stuck on this silly +5% stats to ascended gear. not only that….but they are account bound. can’t get more reasonable and player-friendly w/ top end gear.

you all already have the trinkets (or will in about a month , if a new player, by simply logging in for rewards and completing guild missions)….thank ’em for the 5% buff you just got on a third of your gear.

Base stats are being increased from 926 to 1000. We have five base stats. You will be potentially much more powerful after the patch than before, regardless of your gear type.

Ayrilana.1396:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Gibson.4036:

The gap between exotic and ascended changes from 5% to 10%.

So, not only is a higher percentage of one’s stats on gear than before, the Asc. crafting abomination becomes that much more “necessary.” It’s not even that Asc. is getting a 30% buff to its existing stats, because that would increase the gap by 30%, not by 100%. What a massive display of disregard for any fan who did not want BiS stat grind. I’ll leave my real feelings unsaid, just give me the infraction.

Both exotic and ascended are getting a 30% buff. In fact, I think all armor is. The only difference is that ascended is getting an additional 5%.

Had you actually comprehended the part of my post you put in bold, you’d have seen that I understood that. However, thank you for pointing out that it is the additional buff to Asc. that is the source of contention.

So in short its not a massive difference, but something we should play too.