Guild Wars 2

Any chance Anet can remove the champion mobs or make them drop no loot in Jormags claw plz?

Too many players are just farming the champions making the event scale up but doing nothing to actually help take down jormag, not helping with Ice Wall, or the dragon or getting golems through to stun him or taking down the ice spikes.

All they do is kill the champions for loot bags and champ box’s and then get full rewards from jormag as well at the end without actually helping at all.

Even going as far as not even attacking jormag when he is stunned so the meta event lasts even longer, so they can farm more champions, forcing the event to scale higher and also take way way longer for everyone else…

I honestly hate these mega server changes since coming back to Guild Wars 2 and miss my home desolation server because we actually has “Server Community” back then, now it is just leechers, farmers and mindless zergs with no community or organization…., this is just one example of why megaservers are bad, also the orrian temples are always uncontested now 24/7, meaning we can no longer do these events for dragonite or meta orrian temple meta events or use them to get the new traits in the game….is silly.

Plz Anet bring back server community and get rid of this megaserver crap in PVE and plz at least get rid of the champ mobs or champ loot in Jormag.

Thanks.

The whole battle agaisnt jormage deserves a complete redesign, like Tequatl got it, together with its own new Achievement Set and unique rewards of its own weapon set or armor equipment, like Tequatl/Triple Terror got them.

the complete battle agaisnt Jormags claw is so incredibly boring and uncreative/unfun, especially the wall phases, which are just totally lame, frustrating and stupid when you get like feared away 3 times in a freaking row within a matter of a few seconds, just to get pushed away an half eternity by one of his follow up wave attacks when ypou try to find finally your spot somewhere from where you can attack safely the wall without sufferign permanently a too strong permanent health degen from jormags frosty aura that quickly becomes very deathly and can’t be removed…

Once we would be finally so far, that Anet would go and redesign the whole jomags claw battle i nthe same way, how they redesigned Tequatl through the help of the living story to give an explanation, why that change happened or how

I agree completely with the OP, I avoid Jormag completely now for these reasons. Its sad because before megaservers I loved doing this event on my server with my guild every night, but now, its so god awfully boring, and tedius, so many leechers, the greedy champ farmers, the annoying constant cc’s, seriously what is it with anet and cc’s. Unfortunately every world event is a joke with megaservers, but dont hold your breathe on them getting rid of it, it was either this or merging servers because of dropoff in player population.

Before, they removed loot from the champs, but people for some reason farmed them anyways during the event, I would say just remove them completely, and make attacking the ice wall mandatory for credit, that would speed it up I think. But yea this event does need a redesign, but Shatterer is in an even worse spot :/

If I can get aggro on the mob, I drag them down to where the ice crystals spawn,a nd the masses are.

I don’t know why people fight them up there, if you’re one of the first ones to tag you’re pretty much guaranteed loot regardless of how much dmg you do.

When they redesigned champ loot that specifically excluded Jormag champs from dropping loot bags. If people are farming the champs there for loot they’re just wasting time. I haven’t seen anything to indicate loot was reinstated there. I’m not even sure the champs that spawn count towards kills.

When Teq got a revamp the devs stated Shatt and Jormag would also eventually get a revamp. Didn’t say when though.

Don’t the champions in the Claw of Jormag event already not drop loot? I’ve tried to get them to, but not even Champion Bags 90% of the time – if they do drop, it’s a junk drop (“Cold Stone” type).

If you see me fighting one, it’s usually because they’re pounding downed people or messing with the golems before they can get moving.

the bigger prob with champs is during p1, ppl attacking them instead of the ice wall, making it take longer, I remember many many times telling ppl they dont drop loot, and they would keep attacking it anyways…then ofc the champ farmers come to “help” at p2…

X T D.6458:

the bigger prob with champs is during p1, ppl attacking them instead of the ice wall, making it take longer, I remember many many times telling ppl they dont drop loot, and they would keep attacking it anyways…then ofc the champ farmers come to “help” at p2…

If by “help” you mean try to DPS the Claw despite doing almost as much damage as flinging pebbles one by one at a dog? Yeah.

please, they just leech half the event, waiting for p2 to tag for chest

I’ve never seen it as bad as the OP or a few others describe it, but I wouldn’t doubt it happening.

Whenever I do Claw, I myself remain in the back. There are two reasons for it: 1) I lag a lot nowadays (new internet, doesn’t like zergs) so I just simply cannot handle being at the forefront. Whenever I try, I get disconnected and tossed into a map that Claw was completed when I get back. 2) to keep the champs off of the golems.

Originally, that second point was the purpose of killing the champions in the event, as they can easily kill the golems – this is also why they’re pulled away from the golem path, rather than down the center where they fall faster. When the champ bags were first introduced, Claw of Jormag champs were explicitly stated to not hold champ bags – kind of odd to me that they do now, as I do recall that being the case in the past.

I agree with Orphael that this event needs a rework into a Tequatl-level event; I’d like the same for The Shatterer too, just so that all three dragons became equivalent in difficulty (marred by downscaling of course). Ideally, I’d love for all world bosses to get redesigns of varying levels, but it seems that ArenaNet isn’t interested in touching old content at all anymore except to reduce toxicity and when the Living World touches it. Which is truly, truly sad.

Torsailr.8456:

When they redesigned champ loot that specifically excluded Jormag champs from dropping loot bags. If people are farming the champs there for loot they’re just wasting time. I haven’t seen anything to indicate loot was reinstated there. I’m not even sure the champs that spawn count towards kills.

When Teq got a revamp the devs stated Shatt and Jormag would also eventually get a revamp. Didn’t say when though.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Don’t the champions in the Claw of Jormag event already not drop loot? I’ve tried to get them to, but not even Champion Bags 90% of the time – if they do drop, it’s a junk drop (“Cold Stone” type).

If you see me fighting one, it’s usually because they’re pounding downed people or messing with the golems before they can get moving.

At some point, the loot was reinstated.

I think this happened during either Tequatl Rising or The Origins of Madness when all boss fights got slight revamps.

jormag is one of the better encounters
the champ looters are kinda lame, champ loot isn’t even that good.. i try to participate in Most pre events and things like that, sometimes there is a pre-boss and it’s just a race to zerk it down.. those drop a tier of loot based on what damage/type of skill you managed to affect the enemy with.. some nights i just skip it because contrary to popular belief a few loot bags aren’t worth spazzing out for a minute..
the ice wall is majorly disappointing.. the hill gets bombarded with icebrood and people do a poor job of clearing the hill before jormag shows up.. then they all huddle in the right corner {that’s fine for stacking might and stability and time warp or whatever} and most of the time a large group of them gets blasted and eventually get rezzed.. the part that irks me the most is any vagrant mobs target people actually playing the event in open field, they even get double tagged by the mobs and get nuked.. i could care less how lazy players play or how the game rewards lemmings, but it is typically punishing to those actually trying to enjoy the lore/game mechanics..
the storage crate on the mark 2 platform needs to be Removed
the jungle grub at caledon wurm needs to be in a random area
the portal at shadow behemoth’s 6 o’clock needs to be removed, campers aren’t doing it at all and the people who do are going out of their way
the modnir commander needs to appear in a randomized area
the veteran destroyers that spawn in the north west during megadestroyer neede to be relocated to the southeast, same reason as shadow behemoth
Agony needs to be applied to All camping locations -
  put an elite volatile blossom that shoots out agony in known locations
    example west of shatter
these are just suggestions, i don’t expect any of them to be implemented.. i do know that most gaming companies wouldn’t avoid simple adjustments on such blaring issues

Orpheal.8263:

The whole battle agaisnt jormage deserves a complete redesign, like Tequatl got it, together with its own new Achievement Set and unique rewards of its own weapon set or armor equipment, like Tequatl/Triple Terror got them.

the complete battle agaisnt Jormags claw is so incredibly boring and uncreative/unfun, especially the wall phases, which are just totally lame, frustrating and stupid when you get like feared away 3 times in a freaking row within a matter of a few seconds, just to get pushed away an half eternity by one of his follow up wave attacks when ypou try to find finally your spot somewhere from where you can attack safely the wall without sufferign permanently a too strong permanent health degen from jormags frosty aura that quickly becomes very deathly and can’t be removed…

Once we would be finally so far, that Anet would go and redesign the whole jomags claw battle i nthe same way, how they redesigned Tequatl through the help of the living story to give an explanation, why that change happened or how

If you are bored, and they agree, I think they ought to add more things you’d be interested in, like that triple wurm thing, or whatever it’s called.

While some mechanic and medium difficulty changes are fine, there’s no reason they need to ‘take’ content away from people that find content at that level fun and replace it with crazy hard content.

You could then skip Claw and go to Teq, Triple Wurm, and the new L33t D00dz dragon without impacting those of us who enjoy Claw.

I actually had a great Claw this morning at 7:30 am P[S/D]T. There weren’t many of us, and we managed to finish it in a reasonable amount of time and it was rather enjoyable.

God no, please don’t turn the claw of jormag event into another tequatl. Terrible terrible event design where the difficulty actually has nothing to do with the event.

Leave the champs. Make them invincible.

Now let’s see what gets QQed about.

“OMG champs killing us from behind! Nerf these champs farming us!”

There is actually a point to attacking the crap behind you. The most important of which is phase 2 when keeping them off the bots.

Pretty sure, as others have said, that the champs at Jormag do not drop champ bags, and never have…

Stop complaining …..3 types of phase 2 champs drop loot, ..and if no one kept champs busy they would kill those doing the rest of the event…I’ve seen it before and people at the event complain about the champs on them.

Phase 1 champs do not drop loot, but they need to be kept in check….there is is 1-2 champs at the pre event (last crystal) that sometimes spawns champs.

Generalize much? I kill the champs and I run up and dump damage on the claw, most of us do. As for the afk people in the back who wait for phase 2, that’s their prerogative…let them play how they wanna play. Not hurting you is it? Maybe you think it’s unfair. Life is not fair sometimes, get over it and play the game.

Pointless complaint thread is pointless.

yeah, if no one farmed champs they would wreak abominable destruction and the event would insta-fail! and y’know, without market manipulation on the trading post the tyrian economy would stagnate and all the servers would crash.. so, yeah

If you are near the claw in phase 2 autocasting you are not doing anything (claw is not taking damage until the golems stun him/her). If you are cleaning the mobs that spawn so they do not kill golems you are doing something. All depends on perspective.

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Orpheal.8263:

The whole battle agaisnt jormage deserves a complete redesign, like Tequatl got it, together with its own new Achievement Set and unique rewards of its own weapon set or armor equipment, like Tequatl/Triple Terror got them.

the complete battle agaisnt Jormags claw is so incredibly boring and uncreative/unfun, especially the wall phases, which are just totally lame, frustrating and stupid when you get like feared away 3 times in a freaking row within a matter of a few seconds, just to get pushed away an half eternity by one of his follow up wave attacks when ypou try to find finally your spot somewhere from where you can attack safely the wall without sufferign permanently a too strong permanent health degen from jormags frosty aura that quickly becomes very deathly and can’t be removed…

Once we would be finally so far, that Anet would go and redesign the whole jomags claw battle i nthe same way, how they redesigned Tequatl through the help of the living story to give an explanation, why that change happened or how

this, it just needs redone. p1 is just so boring….and p2 isnt any better. if anything, fighting the mobs is more interesting, which is part of the problem

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

The most likely reason you are seeing an awful lot more people showing up at Jormag and targeting the trash mobs more than anything else most likely has to do with the new Collection achievements. You need a drop from them to activate the collection associated with Jormag.

For me, that is the only reason why I started doing that event again, and I will stop going to that event as soon as I get the drop because the rewards for doing Jormag (even including getting any extra champ loot) are horrible compared to the time needed to do the event chain.

Also, be glad those champs actually DO drop loot again… because the few times I actually did that event during the period where they didn’t drop loot they were flat out ignored and ran around killing people at will.

A better suggestion if you are interested in avoiding large amounts of people showing up with a single minded determination to kill trash is to move the collection drop to Jormag’s ground chest and give it a fairly high drop rate like Teq’s spoon.

Orpheal.8263:

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the complete battle agaisnt Jormags claw is so incredibly boring and uncreative/unfun, especially the wall phases, which are just totally lame, frustrating and stupid when you get like feared away 3 times in a freaking row within a matter of a few seconds, just to get pushed away an half eternity by one of his follow up wave attacks when ypou try to find finally your spot somewhere from where you can attack safely the wall without sufferign permanently a too strong permanent health degen from jormags frosty aura that quickly becomes very deathly and can’t be removed…

Yeah it’s boring when you don’t know how the fight works. The fear, the ice spikes and the ice thingies from above all have huge tells.
The unremoveable damage pretty much tells you to stay away from him…

But yeah I agree with OP, these leechers are a huge pain in the back.

@ozmaninandevil: But you are wrong, some champions drop bags. I heard that you can get around 10 boxes from this fight.

Ummm… Phase one champs drop no loot so that part is just wrong…

Phase 2 the champs need to be killed or they insta gib the golems making the event fail. Additionally only 3 of the 5 types of champs drop loot in phase 2.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Ummm… Phase one champs drop no loot so that part is just wrong…

Phase 2 the champs need to be killed or they insta gib the golems making the event fail. Additionally only 3 of the 5 types of champs drop loot in phase 2.

The champs that drop loot that I’ve seen in P1 (don’t know anything about P2, I concentrate on the job(s) I’ve elected to do during that phase and ignore the champs, unless someone drags them down over my head, which is always pleasant) are the ones that spawn during the 5th crystal. If any spawn after that during P1, I don’t think those have bags.

The first phase at the ice crystal if you get a champ it drops loot.
2nd phase there are 2 different types of champ, easier to kill ones drop loot the harder to kill ones drop nothing.
The problem here is probably 15-20 minutes to do the event for what 1 rare off Jormag, that’s no incentive to just kill him hence players want the champ chests.
Jormag like Shatterer is one of the bosses that drops are awful, maybe nice compromise would be to increase more rare/exotic drops from him and nerf the champs.

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

There are many leechers on many of these events including quite a few with their colored doritos turned on. SB pre events and the portals when SB has appeared, MAW-just wait at the Spawn and ignore all the pres, Modniir—who does the chain/pres?, Golem—straight to the platform instead of helping with the cylinders (at least they still get cleared fast). And on and on.
It’s a design problem. e.g.— You don’t damage portals SAB—you don’t get a chest.

Vanive.3804:

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

For all you people who clearly don’t know what they are talking about, this guy is correct and these mobs do drop champ bags. I know because I hang in the back and farm them. To be fair, as a squishy zerker thief, it’s pointless for me to be any closer as his debuffs wipe out my entire health bar and I drop every time.

Vanive.3804:

Stop complaining …..3 types of phase 2 champs drop loot, ..and if no one kept champs busy they would kill those doing the rest of the event…I’ve seen it before and people at the event complain about the champs on them.

Phase 1 champs do not drop loot, but they need to be kept in check….there is is 1-2 champs at the pre event (last crystal) that sometimes spawns champs.

Generalize much? I kill the champs and I run up and dump damage on the claw, most of us do. As for the afk people in the back who wait for phase 2, that’s their prerogative…let them play how they wanna play. Not hurting you is it? Maybe you think it’s unfair. Life is not fair sometimes, get over it and play the game.

Pointless complaint thread is pointless.

This right here. When I do Jormag I sometimes participate in phase 1, depending on how distracted I get with harvesting nodes and moas…and phase 2 I kill champs to get loot and keep them away from golems and when he’s stunned I whallop on the dragon. We all win. What the OP is talking about I’ve never seen. Phase 2 usually has him stunned twice then dead.

People should just stop doing ALL events in this game. Seemingly no one plays correctly and all players are just leeching money grubbers who contribute nothing.

I’m curious as to how much attention you had to pay to these people to realize they were not actively attacking the dragon.

Claw of Jormag, for a dragon based event, takes a long amount of time compared to the others. Coupled with the scaling that spawns champions, it shouldn’t be a surprise that farmers and leeches would take part in it. Personally, I think the event should be reworked and rewards for champ kills should only be granted at the end of the event—well, any event, not just the Claw of Jormag event in particular.

Vanive.3804:

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

Yepp .. the champs that don’t drop loot are the “old” champs that have always been
there .. Goliath an Wolf with endless hitpoints .. the other champs were added at
the las revamp of the event .. and they drop loot.

Yargesh.4965:

If you are near the claw in phase 2 autocasting you are not doing anything (claw is not taking damage until the golems stun him/her). If you are cleaning the mobs that spawn so they do not kill golems you are doing something. All depends on perspective.

Thats wrong .. we killed CoJormag even when the zone had the no-respawn bug and
there were no golems at all ..

The biggest problem for me are simply all those people that will never learn about
the double-damage spots in phase 1 and so make that phase often so annoying long.

I think i only experienced it 2 times that he went directly to phase 2 after the first
icewall .. that was great.

Ahh .. and if anything should be changed : Less Fear-Spam please !!

Beldin.5498:

Vanive.3804:

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

Yepp .. the champs that don’t drop loot are the “old” champs that have always been
there .. Goliath an Wolf with endless hitpoints .. the other champs were added at
the las revamp of the event .. and they drop loot.

Yargesh.4965:

If you are near the claw in phase 2 autocasting you are not doing anything (claw is not taking damage until the golems stun him/her). If you are cleaning the mobs that spawn so they do not kill golems you are doing something. All depends on perspective.

Thats wrong .. we killed CoJormag even when the zone had the no-respawn bug and
there were no golems at all ..

The biggest problem for me are simply all those people that will never learn about
the double-damage spots in phase 1 and so make that phase often so annoying long.

I think i only experienced it 2 times that he went directly to phase 2 after the first
icewall .. that was great.

Ahh .. and if anything should be changed : Less Fear-Spam please !!

Think the longest in phase one I have ever seen is 2 walls, can’t go below 50% at start of phase 2 so if you get it down to 30% phase 1 it means nothing, still hear people screaming about double damage.
I completely agree with fear spam being way too much.

Last night the event scaled way up beyond what it should be on the wall….we were all firing at it and it wasn’t going down, then all of a sudden it started going down. Perhaps it’s a little bugged too. No one has even looked at that as a potential option. And yes the fear spam is the one thing that frustrates people enough to just hang in the back during phase 1. I watch people shoot at the ice shield a few times, then get feared 3 times in a row and say “forget this” and run to the back. Over all the problem is the even itself. Needs a redesign I think. The loot isn’t that exciting, and it’s rather long and dull.

calyx.9086:

Vanive.3804:

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

For all you people who clearly don’t know what they are talking about, this guy is correct and these mobs do drop champ bags. I know because I hang in the back and farm them. To be fair, as a squishy zerker thief, it’s pointless for me to be any closer as his debuffs wipe out my entire health bar and I drop every time.

So why don’t you adapt to this situation and change your gear? Also usually you shouldn’t even get the debuff. Your positioning in the fight seems to be wrong.

i am one of leechers, some problem?

JuXo – Desolation PVE God

Based on the fact that during phase 2 weapon boxes give Flamethrowers instead of Bazookas, I’d say even more “disturbing” than those killing the champions, are those who just auto-attack / afk the fight at a certain safe spot we all know, using a Bazooka they kept from phase 1. I doubt that was the intention of the fight, instead players need to escort the golems so they stun the Claw and players can dps it down, at least the Champion killers are contributing towards this goal by killing mobs that would otherwise kill the golems instead of auto-attacking afk the Claw.

Last I checked, Champions despawn when the Claw enters the burn phase, so those people who are actually protecting the golems, also dps the Claw while the afkers offer absolutely nothing.

There is a clear compromise here, those who want to afk-kill Jormag can do so, while those who actually participate in the fight can get some extra loot by killing the Champions.

There seems to be some confusion to whether or not the champions in the Claw of Jormag event drop loot. I know people are absolutely sure one way or the other but I have not seen any source for either corner. This is what I found so far…

• Per Aidan Taylor in the Game Update Notes – August 6th, 2013
  BALANCE, BUG-FIXING, POLISH
  General
  Champion Loot
  •All champions now drop containers based on their family. These containers have coin, skill points, crafting materials, weapons and armor, and rare chances at unique weapon skins based on family.
  “Defeat the Claw of Jormag”: The champions in this event no longer drop loot.
  https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-August-6th-2013

Though there are other references to updates to this event in the official releases, I could not find any other references to them changing the drops for Claw’s champs.

Now “I” am not attesting to whether or not the champs drop loot or not, just putting out the only info I could find.

Please feel free to update if someone else can find any other official information.

Edited for spelling

Yalora Istairiea.6287:

“Defeat the Claw of Jormag”: The champions in this event no longer drop loot.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/updates/Game-Update-Notes-August-6th-2013

There has been another revamp of the event. At that time in Phase 2 we always had
only 2 champs .. Wolf and Goliath with enormous masses of hitpoints. Those 2 still
don’t drop .. but the last revamp added more champs, and those can drop.

Phase 2 champs do drop loot, but not the ones that has too much HP. I know this because I farm them :P As for leeching…well, the farmers keep the champs occupied. When they’re left alone, they kill people taking down the ice wall and the golems.

kokiman.2364:

calyx.9086:

Vanive.3804:

Vayne.8563:

Champs at Jormag don’t drop bags. No one is farming champs there.

But there are leechers. That’s for sure.

Gonna repeat this since people fail to read a whole thread.

Champion Icebrood Elemental —-(Phase 1 drops no loot) Drops loot for pre-event on last crystal.
Champion Icebrood Goliath —-(Phase 2 does not normally drop loot)
Champion Icebrood Quaggan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Kodan —-(Phase 2-Drops champ chest)
Champion Icebrood Troll —-(Phase 2-Drops Champ Chest)
Champion Icebrood Wolf —-(Phase 2-Ocasionally Drops Champ chest)

If people let them go, everyone doing other aspects of the event would die fast.

For all you people who clearly don’t know what they are talking about, this guy is correct and these mobs do drop champ bags. I know because I hang in the back and farm them. To be fair, as a squishy zerker thief, it’s pointless for me to be any closer as his debuffs wipe out my entire health bar and I drop every time.

So why don’t you adapt to this situation and change your gear? Also usually you shouldn’t even get the debuff. Your positioning in the fight seems to be wrong.

I refuse to be a PVT hero carebear, especially since I do Jormag or Teq maybe a few times a year at max. There are way more rewarding activities in terms of both gold and enjoyment that I am generally doing instead. I would actually do tequatl more, but I refuse to go and stand around on a map for 30 minutes to an hour when I should be able to arrive 2 minutes before he shows up.

You may be right about my positioning, but then again, I’d rather stand in the back, farm these champs, and leech if I’m actually doing the event.

I think the scaling of Jormag is one of the better. It doesn’t take any longer than before Mega servers and the “champ farmers” keep the mobs from coming after the wall attackers. Win win for everyone IMO.

More than enough people for attacking spikes in P2 for leechers to do their thing too.

Don’t count on Megaservers going away. I would bet anything, that Megaservers have a whole lot more advantages than disadvantages.

I’m just going to apologize for mis-information. I hadn’t done Jormag for a while but did it today and I did receive a champ box from one of the champs during the 2nd phase. I stand corrected.

Anyway, to me that’s beside the point because there were so many people there I don’t think 1) it ever has a chance of failing and 2) if 20 farmers peel off to kill champs… well, see 1).

They should add his Mist Wave skill from p1 into p2.
I’d like to see you complain then who are the leecheres, because there’s ~20 people doing champs and clearing the back side while the other 100 clumps in the same spot on the right and afk/do daily rez/autoattack out of range.
Not to mention that people after 2 years still don’t how to use Heat Shield to block every attack he throws in p1 nor the dd spot. Thats the real reason why it takes 20+ mins to complete it.

I do agree that Claw of Jormag is fine and really hope they dont make changes like they did in Tequati and Triple Wurm. Both events are a huge fail now … even starting organizing 30 minutes before they start we fail one after another try! Number of mobs spawing is so high we can barely hit the boss!!! Anet need to make changes ASAP to both events again.

Shantyi.9374:

I do agree that Claw of Jormag is fine and really hope they dont make changes like they did in Tequati and Triple Wurm. Both events are a huge fail now … even starting organizing 30 minutes before they start we fail one after another try! Number of mobs spawing is so high we can barely hit the boss!!! Anet need to make changes ASAP to both events again.

Pardon? There are maps where people don’t bother organizing Teq and they fail. I was late one day and decided to see what happens if I arrive 5 minutes before the event. It succeeded. Is the common, no but it have gotten to the stage where people know Teq well enough that if you are getting 100% failure you might reconsider what it is you personally are doing.
Wurm was done last night in Europe where there was so much lag you had several second between seeing something and needing to do anything about it. Get on one of the many TS servers, listen to when and where to arrive, hope you are on the right one or get a taxi (that is the only way really to fail wurm now).

Faereilos.5106:

well, the farmers keep the champs occupied. When they’re left alone, they kill people taking down the ice wall and the golems.

Nope and this is where you are wrong. Farmers usually go to one side, kill the champs that give boxes and then run over to the other side, by doing that they drag the mobs over to the other side. Which most of the time results in the death of at least 2 golems that just spawned.

You don’t contribute to the event you just leech and get the same reward as the people who do the actual work. It’s a shame that you actually think that this is okay.

kokiman.2364:

Faereilos.5106:

well, the farmers keep the champs occupied. When they’re left alone, they kill people taking down the ice wall and the golems.

Nope and this is where you are wrong. Farmers usually go to one side, kill the champs that give boxes and then run over to the other side, by doing that they drag the mobs over to the other side. Which most of the time results in the death of at least 2 golems that just spawned.

You don’t contribute to the event you just leech and get the same reward as the people who do the actual work. It’s a shame that you actually think that this is okay.

Add champion loot bags to all champion mobs. Problem solved.