Yeah, I was responding more to the “They nerfed it into the ground” comment.
Ah, my misunderstanding.
Karma is far from useless in my opinion. I use it to gear alts and get gear for my builds. You need it for legendaries and now ascended. You could even turn it into gold if you found it so useless.
/ Agreed
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
I have done now all the heart quests and got 95 014 Karma points. So I am still short of 156 986 karma points to my first decent exotic armor from Orr. So I will get it doing 262 times dailies. This is so frustrating now. I have to run around in rags and shoddy armor at least that 262 days.
Ok, Chinese players will come to the game soon, I know they like grinding games, but this start to feel pathetic.
I can not play this game 24/7 so it means, I will not get my Karma armor in a year. How many players might be in same situation? I bet thousands. So should I be grateful for this disadvantage? I am not, and I will never be grateful. I lost my trust to Anet and their logic.
I don’t see a valid reason to rage that you won’t be able to get exotics now using karma.
there are other ways of obtaining exotics. the every popular cof/se/ac. crafting them yourself, buying off the tp, buying with Badges, and the old fashioned mob drop.
Fist of all, players who have on rags and shoddy armor, don’t get in any dungeon party. So in that way you dont get any badges.
I thought this game supposed to be “fun”. Dungeon is not “fun”, because you don’t get in with any party and you can not do it by yourself.
For crafting, player needs a huge pile of money to get elite armor. And stats are not as good as Karma armor have. And players dont get huge amount of money just playing this game. They have to do those dungeon runs, and…. as I said, those players are out of dungeon parties, who does not have decent armor.
So players don’t have enough money for crafting, they can’t get in the dungeons to earn those precious badges because of rags on them and now they are out of Karma too.
I hate to admit, that all those elitists players ruined this game and Anet start to change this game for those elitists gamers. It is not enjoyable anymore for normal casual players.
only elitists don’t accept non exotic geared members for speed runs of the easier dungeons, a guild run solves that problem. rare gear will do just fine in running the easier dungeons with a non-speed clear group.
money is not an issue, when the game was released, most players had around 30-40 gold by the time they reached 70. By 80, a new player should have enough gold to buy an exotic armor set, if not a complete set. I myself had around 60g selling any craft mats by the time I reached 80 on my first toon.
We all do as we must to make our way in this world and unfortunately,
we have to do things others may qualify as “evil”.
~Krunch Bloodrage, Looking For Group
by the time i reached 80lvl i had not more than 7-8g. I was farming all stuff which i saw during my leveling. I do not know from where you got 30g, but only after clockwork farming during 2 weeks i got about 100g.
It’s a great idea, and A-net acted upon that, well half of it anyway.
They nerfed the amount of Karma you get from failing events, but didn’t buff the amount of Karma gained from succeeding events
Which, of course, now means that there’s no point in bothering to even try at the harder events that fail more often than they succeed (such as the reactor fire elemental event, which can easily bankrupt players because of repair costs, rez costs, and fast travel costs to get back to try again).
I’ve found myself doing just that levelling my alt’s. I’m avoiding the harder DE’s if I’m alone when normally I’d do every one I came across unless it was a champ.
The karma reduction really hurts someone like me that uses it to buy fancy cultural weapon skins and the like across several characters. :\
Yep. I knew I wasn’t going for a Legendary so I spent a lot of karma buying cultural weapons for my 8 characters. I spent about 1.4 million karma buying about 23 separate weapon skins at 63k karma each. If i was starting the game now, this would be difficult to afford.
However while this hurts the individual person, I suspect it’s better for the game. Now if people want karma they are going to have to go out in the game and do events. Hopefully this nerf will repopulate the maps.
by the time i reached 80lvl i had not more than 7-8g. I was farming all stuff which i saw during my leveling. I do not know from where you got 30g, but only after clockwork farming during 2 weeks i got about 100g.
as the game was new, I just explored everything I could, by level 80 I was around 60% map completion. I also harvested every node I passed by then sold any mats i came across.
We all do as we must to make our way in this world and unfortunately,
we have to do things others may qualify as “evil”.
~Krunch Bloodrage, Looking For Group
by the time i reached 80lvl i had not more than 7-8g. I was farming all stuff which i saw during my leveling. I do not know from where you got 30g, but only after clockwork farming during 2 weeks i got about 100g.
Dont worry, majority people were in your shoes.
Those who played www didnt even have that much.
Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”
It needs to be fixed in one way or the other. It’s insane that I’m going to be forced into farming karma from orr events when I am 400,000+ karma short on my legendary, even with even trains harder and hard to find and get together. All I need is Zap and 250 shards..and I’m being blocked after all this time by a giant wall of karma because they nerfed it out of everything. Give it back in dungeons or give me daily jugs back.
Having to do 1000 events seems a little excessive..
I am maybe 300,000+ karma short or who knows how much I need because of that RNG on clovers. After spending 500,000+ karma on a full stack of Obsidian Shards i only got 40 clovers. What if I or other players like me don’t want to farm events for karma, where are we suppose to get those thousands of karma now? You guys placed those jugs on daily achievements for good reasons, now your undoing it. What happened to “play how you want it when you want it???”
I’m with you 100% dude. I do not want to be FORCED into high level fractals or farming Orr events that aren’t even zerged anymore. I hate that they have basically forced this ascended weapon crafting when I have little to NO interest in it. I’m working on a legendary and I’m very, very close. 500,000 karma was not horrible to get with champ bags, dailies and the monthly. I mean I was counting kitten that 45,000 karma I was supposed to get and they screwed me on it. At the very least..give me a choice between karma or crafting (crap) at the end of a daily so I’m not being forced into some bull kitten
Lol, I totally forgot about the legendary karma requirement as well. To say that will be brutal may be a bit of an understatement.
Can you explain what legendary items? I have not seen greater than exotics in karma vendor list
You need in the area of 1 million + karma for Obsidian Shards to make Clovers and Gift of Mastery
Or
7100 Fractal Relics
Or
481 Laurels
or
Any of the combination of the three that comes out to a lot.
Lol, I totally forgot about the legendary karma requirement as well. To say that will be brutal may be a bit of an understatement.
Can you explain what legendary items? I have not seen greater than exotics in karma vendor list
You need in the area of 1 million + karma for Obsidian Shards to make Clovers and Gift of Mastery
Or
7100 Fractal Relics
Or
481 Laurels
or
Any of the combination of the three that comes out to a lot.
I do not want to grind two years for weapon which will be out of date after 1 year. Stop playing until interesting living event will be published
I am focused. I do not say, that they killed the game, but i was doing dailies and logging out. It was my play style. If i was getting 4.5k*30 + 45k karma monthly doing only dailies, now i get 24k monthly. Do you see difference between 180k and 24k?
I think we’re arguing two points of the same side? I don’t get what you’re going on about but I want my karma back as well..? I think that’s what you want too?
Hell if I know. Im bumping this though for a hopeful dev response.
There are other ways to get your exotic armors…… Just sayin.
It is always easy for players who have 5 characters with full exotics and 1m karma, to say there are more ways to get exotics. Going to fractals and doing events takes much more time. Not everyone wants to spend 2-3 hours daily in the game to get exotic gear after 1-2 month, which by the way is not the best in slot.
Except you still need karma to craft a legendary..
The joke was that you would never see the champion Karma in game compared to the others, and now you hardly receive enough Karma in GW2 for it to be noticeable.
And still. after wall of text, millions of karma and nothing to use it on, problem not solved and new ones created.
And still even after directly asked, no suggestions on solving it. Makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Those people have to want to solve the problem, but they don’t want to in my opinion. Maybe it’s just me, but the game goes from bad to worse, with updates rush, ascended grind and the way of forcing players to grind champions now.
I hate it and I won’t try to hide it. It’s boring and I left those grinds after few day/making achievements.
As said Colin said in interview, they want us to play like they want, not to seek our own way. This means “Just do what we tell you and after few months you will have something, we will decide how many months and what you will have, but remember to have fun with it or else…”
Now I can’t even play what I want cause I have like 2 weeks to get new content or will go away and when WvW season will come out I don’t even know where will I find time to play WvW and PvE, not to mention PvP that I left few months ago.
I don’t feel compelled to complete my daily quest any longer. I wasn’t that interested in grinding out a legendary, now even less so. And if I get forced to grind for ascended gear so I can compete in WvW(haven’t done it at all, but would like to start), then I’m probably done with this game.
I feel like the aspects of other MMOs that made me unhappy and lead me to quit those MMOs, are slowing being introduced into this game.
I feel like the aspects of other MMOs that made me unhappy and lead me to quit those MMOs, are slowing being introduced into this game.
Glad to know I’m not the only one feeling this. They’re introducing a condition damage nerf October 1st, and it’s supposed to hit sPvP. I have a feeling that it may hit PvE also (due to constant incompetence I have seen as of late from Anet), and if so, I’ll be quitting this game. The karma nerf is already sending me towards my limit, along with how they treat Rangers (meaning second-class citizens). A player can only take so much…
[hS]
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
when I first started, karma was worthless until well after getting to level 80. the reason is that anything that was at my level cost 4x as much karma as I had. There needed to be a karma nerf, this may of been too far, but they should also decrease the cost of karma items below level 80 to like 1/10 what they are.
when I first started, karma was worthless until well after getting to level 80. the reason is that anything that was at my level cost 4x as much karma as I had. There needed to be a karma nerf, this may of been too far, but they should also decrease the cost of karma items below level 80 to like 1/10 what they are.
They also need to do that with the exotic armor. However, any necessary items for crafting legendaries, keep their price or just lower their price by 25-50%.
[hS]
PvE Main – Zar Poisonclaw – Daredevil
WvW Main – Ghost Mistcaller – Herald
I’m so disappointed in the the direction this game has taken. I was so happy got dusk in the forge just a couple of days ago. But as a casual player it’s so hard to get 1 mil karma. I can farm gold faster than this crap. Now it’s going to take months. The worst is that took away karma from dungeons… Anyway I have spend a lot on gems and now.. They just lost a customer.
legendary is supposed to take months…legendary does nothing for you except stat changes out of combat…yes the ascended crafting seems quite steep but thats another topic….legendary akittens core is a prestigious item showing how much time and effort you put into it….and grants the ease of swapping stats…thats it….so why do you feel that prestigious item should be gainable within a month or less?
Nerfing karma gain to the ground was bad to casual players and new players but the ones who farmed the hell out of karma trains, dungeons, and fractals are now happily sitting at millions or karma unaffected by the changes.
What they should have done was put diminishing returns to a specific part of the game which gives karma which was constantly repeated. And then add more karma sink in the form of higher tier crafting materials and such.
Increasing the value of a currency by drastically gutting its sources is not the way to go. Blue bags from dungeons and dailiy achievements are basically broken now. You open blue bags only to find a bag of coins. No more karma. Dailies are not even worth a single event. Pity. Such a pity.
I played the game since release and had only 2 level 80s and only 1 in exotic gear who had some and not all it’s pieces obtained from karma vendors and I’m just sitting on only less than 400k karma. I thought that by the end of the year, I will eventually get the 1mil karma I needed to start crafting a Legendary by just playing casually. Too bad, playing casually for a long period of time won’t even cut it. Time to farm fotm before karma is nerfed there.
“The boss you just killed respawns ten minutes
later. It doesn’t care that I’m there.”
why do you feel that prestigious item should be gainable within a month or less?
Yeah, tell that to those who got their legendaries who farmed 24/7 before the nerf. Now, we have to farm not only twice as much as they had, but 10 times more. They should have implemented some sort of diminishing returns months and eons ago rather than punishing new players and casual ones because by this time, the gap between the rich and the poor has just gotten bigger.
If they start implementing new karma items that’s worth hundreds of thousands or even millions of it, those who are already sitting at a billion karma will easily get these items while the others will just have to grind longer and harder. It is unfair IMO to be really honest. I felt ripped off.
“The boss you just killed respawns ten minutes
later. It doesn’t care that I’m there.”
It’s not that hard to get karma. I don’t do fractals, blew ALL my karma on boxes the day before the update, and have still earned 200k since then… (not counting my 5000 point 5 jug reward karma).
I play a lot but I wasn’t deliberately trying to farm karma in this time. And I did buy the karma infusion the day after patch. Definitely recommend it if you are worried about your karma. Only 10 laurels.
Some weeks ago i put a topic in Suggestions to ask for more things to buy with Karma.
Like Cultural armor and Order armor and weapons.
Instead, Karma gain is now nerfed :-(
Yeah, but what they did was too much. I was perfectly happy with the “nerf” regarding boosters not able to work with karma consumables. Fine, even. Nerfing a jug from ~9000 with boosters to 6500 karma flat was ok with me. It still felt good doing dailies, and you could still manage the grind to gear and shards and cultural armor.
Now what am I doing dailies for? 600 karma is the amount you get from a couple of events. Not worth doing dailies for. And essence of luck? I get more killing a couple of champs and salvaging.
Come on Anet? Can we have some kind of response? You rescinded the karma nerf for a little while that was based on the consumables, because you said you didn’t give enough warning, well, you gave NO warning on this 90% karma nerf either!
well… you can also do dailies and get obsidian shards that way.
481 obsidian shards = 12 months of laurels. If you split the costs to buy obsidian shards between laurels and karma, that’s 6 months. legendaries are supposed to be legendary.
prices to buy legendaries should go up soon…
They nerfed right at the moment I was finishing up my TFP legendary. I got every single gift I needed apart from one. I’ve been working on it for months and now i’m stuck on (what used to be ¬¬) the easiest thing to get in the game.
I’ve now been farming events/hearts while completing maps on my lv 80 alt and only got about 70k after spending 7-8 hours a day for 3 days straight. Fractals is not really an option since my fractal level is too low, and the daily is just not worth it. They even kept the ‘’Spend 750 karma’’ daily achievement even though you only recieve 600 in the end! Really Anet? Just wished they didn’t nerf Monthly’s so hard too. If they want to prevent people from getting Legendaries to fast with this then you succeeded Anet ¬¬.
I seriously don’t get it why they remove the karma gain from dungeon.
That’s really insane and pretty much terrible.
And daily change from 4500 to 600.
Monthly change from 45000 to 6000, what the hell is that.
I don’t really like to play the horrible event and wvw.
Maybe they should make us a new way to gain karma.
Anet lied, plain and simple. They said there would be no nerf of champion rewards, but they would make people want to complete events. They took the karma drops out of champ chests which was a HUGE nerf. This game, as much as I love it, is starting to disappoint me with this sort of stuff.
