Guild Wars 2

Nerfing karma from certain sources (FoTM, chests and bags) was needed but nerfing karma to the ground from time gated sources (Dailies, Monthlies, Dungeons) was way overboard. A 50% reduction to jugs will already be harsh enough. You’re killing casuals and newbies here ANet.

I love how they implemented this change right after the barely noticeable waypoint “reduction costs” was put into place after Kiel was voted into the council, where’s your gods now? Y’all voted for the wrong candidate. #Team Gnashblade.

Been farming for months for my Legendary.

Spent 500,000k karma on boxes for components and cash.

Now I have everything I need for my legendary (even Zap) with the exception of 400,000 karma for the last obi shards.

AKA I’m boned and won’t be seeing it for another few months.

Thanks a ton ANET

Nightarch.2943:

I love how they implemented this change right after the barely noticeable waypoint “reduction costs” was put into place after Kiel was voted into the council, where’s your gods now? Y’all voted for the wrong candidate. #Team Gnashblade.

How do we know this wasn’t done by Evon so we have to buy more stuff from the TP or Gem Store to compensate?

A little over a week after the change and I’m sitting at 100k karma from just world bosses and a few pre associated with them, and some non-farm WvW. I don’t think the nerf is as bad as you are all making it out to be.

Apologies if you all know this (you probably do), but I just noticed today that they even nerfed the karma from the “heart” events you do to clear a map. I was wasting time today clearing maps with an alt, and noticed the heart events only brought in roughly 200 karma. Didn’t they used to be around 4X that amount?

The more I ponder this sort of game manipulation from Anet, the more it steams me. If these game breaking changes are really a good faith effort to improve the game, why can’t Anet provide some insight into their reasoning? I am certain they have read every word in this thread.

I returned to Skyrim today for the first time in over a year….looking at buying the expansion for it…

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

A little over a week after the change and I’m sitting at 100k karma from just world bosses and a few pre associated with them, and some non-farm WvW. I don’t think the nerf is as bad as you are all making it out to be.

That’s great, it really is. But simple arithmetic tells us …if that is true, you must play a lot.

I got well over 2m karma so that karma nerf dont hurt me that much,but for the new players it will make all the different as the karma gear is great when you hit lvl 80 with almost no gold.

I used (and reused several times over) my massive stockpile of karma just before the nerf putting aside about 500K karma for the (then) upcoming Ascended inscriptions. Unfortunately, we were never informed the extent of the karma nerf from completing dailies, monthlies and dungeon runs.

Also, with the nerf in karma modifiers not affecting karma jugs, surely we should have been given the option to refund the karma infusions that some of us would not have bought if not for the additional 15% karma yield from karma jugs.

iirc, the reason why the abundance of karma jugs were previously introduced was to assist players with karma collection and to reduce the grinding needed to farm them. Granted, there are definitely a lot of players now with millions of karma currency but is it so wrong for them to have an excessive stockpile of karma? In fact, is it so wrong for both new and existing players to similarly continue to enjoy and be able to acquire karma the way they did before?

There have been a few decisions made by Anet which I don’t agree to but the karma nerf currently tops the list.

Mystic.5934:

well… you can also do dailies and get obsidian shards that way.
481 obsidian shards = 12 months of laurels. If you split the costs to buy obsidian shards between laurels and karma, that’s 6 months. legendaries are supposed to be legendary.
prices to buy legendaries should go up soon…

You forget that there are more things to use karma/laurels on. For people with multiple characters laurels are needed as obby shards for ascended so the nerf was way too much.

The Stain.4169:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

A little over a week after the change and I’m sitting at 100k karma from just world bosses and a few pre associated with them, and some non-farm WvW. I don’t think the nerf is as bad as you are all making it out to be.

That’s great, it really is. But simple arithmetic tells us …if that is true, you must play a lot.

And He is. This change wont impact people who play many hours a day. It will hurt casuals/peoples with families/peoples with live. That is why its so painfull.

I can go farming events, sure, but I want to spend time in Living Story, cause it progreses too fast and I want to play with my guildies also, but I’m limited on my time.

Sorry that I have a family and live.

Septemptus.7164:

This change wont impact people who play many hours a day.

This. Nerf karma from loot bags. Un-nerf daily jugs. Please!(

Its very telling that they nerfed limited sources like daily/monthly but not grindable sources.

Lets face it, its Grind Wars 2.

Just realized the nerf’s going to hurt anyone who wants to level cooking… Buying enough necessary ingredients with karma was a HUGE drain (to the point where I couldn’t really afford anything else) while I was doing it before I stopped playing in November. If I were starting now, I’d probably end up not bothering with cooking at all.

(well, played a bit of my Human Rogue last night, running around a nearly empty Plains of Ashford during prime time because she dies incredibly easy in the level 58-appropriate zones; and even then she couldn’t take out the Separatist roadblock & catapults herself, something my Charr Ranger had no trouble with at around level 10, as I recall)

Bumping for Anet attention…

Seriously!

Petition! Bring us back the Daily Jugs!

If they bring back more Karma sources, they should also give us more places to use them. With millions of Karma banked, I would like to be able to use them on stuff other than Orrian boxes.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If they bring back more Karma sources, they should also give us more places to use them. With millions of Karma banked, I would like to be able to use them on stuff other than Orrian boxes.

Or make it sharable so Daddy Karmabucks like you can give me my last legendary component.

:D

I know it will never happen, but I can dream..

I wanted more things to spend the karma on. Ascended brings that, though I don’t really care for them since. Prefer the craziness that is legendaries

It does affect newer players though, so I do suggest thakittenbe increased a bit… I have 1.7m left after making 3 legendaries… So it’s not like I need more.

I thought something intresting should be commented. It’s possible they killed Karma for the time being as a quick fix while they figure out a reasonable rework of the currency.

one fun thing: they made a big deal out of how they were going to nerf how much karma you get from potions by removing boosters, but they left out the part where they would removed all sources of karma potions. kinda renders the first part moot.

CreativeAnarchy, world bosses yield less than 380 karma each. Let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you also do a pre-event for all of them. that’s 700 karma per event. 100k would be 142 events. in one week, that would be 20 events per day. You’re one hard-core gamer.

It would be nice if we could get some words from Anet. somebody? please?

Mystic.5934:

one fun thing: they made a big deal out of how they were going to nerf how much karma you get from potions by removing boosters, but they left out the part where they would removed all sources of karma potions. kinda renders the first part moot.

CreativeAnarchy, world bosses yield less than 380 karma each. Let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you also do a pre-event for all of them. that’s 700 karma per event. 100k would be 142 events. in one week, that would be 20 events per day. You’re one hard-core gamer.

The list of bosses I do only takes about 2 to 3 hours, faster if they pop right after the other.

I do get my daily.

I do the events for my daily.

I do WvW but I haven’t done much the past week, only enough to level up 5 WXP ranks and I don’t think I’ve even done that much because I’m still trying to get enough to get the 4th build mastery and I only need a few ranks for that.

I have been using a banner more frequently lately but that is because of the FG champ farm but the farm aren’t events so I don’t think I’m getting karma from them since they are not events.

It adds up quick. Most of my karma is probably from WvW. I only play there for about 4 hours a night but I don’t play that every night. The most nights I could do is 4 nights because I work 3 12 hour shifts and I don’t want to be in TS or listen to others tell me what to do after I get off work. This last week though, I haven’t put in as much as I normally would. I only put in 3 nights in WvW(shortened) and champ farm. Last few days I’ve been sick and also farming to up my crafting so I haven’t been doing WvW as much and when I did WvW, it was for about 2 hours.

Not sure where I’m getting all my karma from outside of WvW because this is what I do when I play and I haven’t WvW as much as normal.

Seven Star Stalker.1740:

I thought something intresting should be commented. It’s possible they killed Karma for the time being as a quick fix while they figure out a reasonable rework of the currency.

Like adding more currency since we have an account wallet?

Most if not all new weapons, accessories, and armors should have had the option to be obtainable through karma also. Or is there already this option that I didn’t know of? o.o

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Seven Star Stalker.1740:

I thought something intresting should be commented. It’s possible they killed Karma for the time being as a quick fix while they figure out a reasonable rework of the currency.

Like adding more currency since we have an account wallet?

Most if not all new weapons, accessories, and armors should have had the option to be obtainable through karma also. Or is there already this option that I didn’t know of? o.o

Hey, I’m looking at things from reminiscence of my LoL days. I know that back there, often they would absolutely break a champion, then totally rework them. It’s possible Anet is doing something similar.

But I get your point. 1 million Karma for ascended weapons would have been reasonable. It’s a huge amount, if nothing else. People who have lots of it have somewhere reasonable to dump their karma, and people who aren’t quite there will feel a sense of accomplishment once they do.

It is a terrible move I agree. It comes at the worst time too.

See it would have been fine had they realize the problem right after releasing the christmas content because that would have been early enough for it. Now they are just doing it to correct a problem that’s an entire year old. That’s not a valid solution for anything! It further makes it more difficult for people with alts to gear up enough to get out there and handle the WvW or the Fractals enough to get the other materials they need once they reach level 80. They are basically trying to improve their image while biting the hand that feeds them, new players/players with large numbers of alts.

tigirius.9014:

Now they are just doing it to correct a problem that’s an entire year old. That’s not a valid solution for anything! It further makes it more difficult for people with alts to gear up enough to get out there and handle the WvW or the Fractals enough to get the other materials they need once they reach level 80. They are basically trying to improve their image while biting the hand that feeds them, new players/players with large numbers of alts.

I feel the same way. Basically the ones that farmed karma to death is now sitting on millions of karma and will be hapilly spending them once decent and new items are introduced and shall be obtainable from karma while new and casual players will have to work much longer and harder to gain karma compared to how people easily obtained them through farming dungeons and meta events.

Hey Anet, come out and answer us. I don’t need your 50 lucks per day and I need my karma back. 50 lucks per day is far useless than 6000 karma per day!

50 lucks is for RNG thing and that’s really not useful for us. I don’t even get an item useful to me from 300%MF but I can get what I need with karma from some daily achievements.

OK! I suggest 2 solutions for you,
1. Cut down all karma item cost down to 10% of the current cost
2. Make MF more significant than before (which means everyone [not just your developers and testers] can feel the difference of each 5% of MF)

PLEASE STOP FORCING US TO PLAY WITH YOUR ******* * ** RNG SYSTEM! PLEASE!

Bumping for Anet attention : Bring us back the Daily Jugs !

:(

The daily reward is pretty pitiful now. A mystic coin that’s not worth selling. A luck scrap that I get multiple times a day. Some karma, which I can get just as easily with an event or two. If it wasn’t for the achievement points I wouldn’t bother anymore with the daily.

Even if I don’t agree with them, I can at least “see both sides” to a lot of the manipulations Anet has done to the game…

But this karma nerf was ridiculous. I have no idea what they were thinking. Are we supposed to do dailies and monthlies just for laurels?

Welcome to Grind Wars 2.

The Stain.4169:

Even if I don’t agree with them, I can at least “see both sides” to a lot of the manipulations Anet has done to the game…

But this karma nerf was ridiculous. I have no idea what they were thinking. Are we supposed to do dailies and monthlies just for laurels?

I guess so. Iirc, they said the next step after ascended armor is ascended inscription slots and Legendary jewelry. Which will probably require massive amounts of laurels.