I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
All morons hate it when you call them a moron. – J. D. Salinger
I see no issues with it at all. People are selling a service to people who want to buy it. It’s a rather selfish thing to want it to stop because your hurting then both buyers and sellers. Just yesterday I made a lfg to buy wicked rodeo achievement as I could not manage it myself using caithe even with a group of 4 others. Should I get in trouble because I needed assistance?
Now maybe if in the LFG system they had a spot to buy and sell services that would make you happy without effecting others.
I don’t like the community effect to be honest. I think it discourages being kind and helpful for the sake of being kind and helpful. You get somebody asking for help with something, and so instead of “Sure, let’s go do it.” you get some people saying “offer?” “how much?” etc. as if the idea of helping another player without some kind of compensation is terrible. I think it has toxic repercussions for the entire community, and that disallowing it would benefit the community as a result.
I freely admit that is just my opinion, but I think there is some logic behind it.
All morons hate it when you call them a moron. – J. D. Salinger
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
I’ve never bought or sold paths, but this is…
You’re just openly saying you don’t care what other people have to say, you just want people banned because you’re offended. You want to punish other people in the community because they don’t conform to your ideal of gaming, of how they choose to spend their time and money.
If there’s anything toxic about path selling, it’s attitudes like yours.
Its always been full of people selling groups. Lame, but its been confirmed working as intended by devs and not bannable.
At least they took a hard line against actually selling items on lfg. A few months back it was flooded with “selling bifrost 2k gold i’m totally not a scammer wink wink” (and some of them really did add “i’m not a scammer” to these, though i dont think they had the winks).
You’re just openly saying you don’t care what other people have to say, you just want people banned because you’re offended. You want to punish other people in the community because they don’t conform to your ideal of gaming, of how they choose to spend their time and money.
If there’s anything toxic about path selling, it’s attitudes like yours.
You don’t have to like my opinion, and no, I don’t really care if it bothers you. I never said anything about punishing people, unless Anet changed the rules, which I think they should do. Then, yes, people who didn’t follow them should be banned.
At no point did I say people should be banned because path selling offended me. I said it offended me and that I wish Anet would make it against the rules.
You can climb off your high horse though, Anet isn’t going to change their stance any time soon. Or don’t, whatever. You’ll still think what you do, and I’ll still think what I do, either way.
All morons hate it when you call them a moron. – J. D. Salinger
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I think this is a low point in GW2, the bar is set by WoW players who proliferate this mentality. I specifically started playing GW2 because of the developers wanting to move away from this mentality.
Support it all you want but it is a slippery slope, once this is considered “Normal” then the WoWification of yet another game is not far behind.
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I think this is a low point in GW2, the bar is set by WoW players who proliferate this mentality. I specifically started playing GW2 because of the developers wanting to move away from this mentality.
Support it all you want but it is a slippery slope, once this is considered “Normal” then the WoWification of yet another game is not far behind.
The “WoWification”?
Pff lulwut?
Like Gw2 is going to suddenly become a mainstream household name and go strong for 10 years defining a game genre? That’d be terrible indeed…
Sorry to kitten on your parade but Anet has been okay with people selling runs since the GW1 Prophecies days.
Oh, I open plenty of groups myself. But I just find the overall trend of the game’s LFG tool to be very disappointing lately.
The sheer volume can be annoying, but do keep in mind that this is probably less “more sellers” and more “less runners”. The game has been stale for a very long time now, and there’s just not much left to do for a great many people.
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The overall trend is what anet does us want todo.
For example: arah is a long and extremly boring dungeon and arah pvp reward track is limited by the few potions you get in rankfarm arena (because other pvp modes take too much time too). So how else should I get the arah collections?
→ I love to buy the ways each day. Saves time and is worth every gold.
On the other side I love ascalon, fz, SE. So I’m happily have fun to play these dungeons and sell my spot to others. So I earn money haveing fun and can buy boring stuff I don’t like.
Same with fractals. I hate fractals over lvl30, but I love all fractals below. So I can sell low lvl fractals and just buy me a lvl50 spot (+the nicer loot).
Same with other achievements or storyparts.
Basically and thats still the best about gw2:
I can play how and what I want and even if some things/loot are behind a ‘wall’ I can just go around it instead over it. That the amount of such lfg’s seems to rise is logical.
Everyone wins through selling/buying. Lfg just supports one if the basic needs for most player.
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As somebody who sells at least 5 dungeon paths a day, I agree that there has to be a selling section for the LFG tool, since all the dungeon selling LFGs between the people that are actually looking for a group to run the dungeon can be confusing.
But its a case of supply and demand, people are lazy and want to buy dungeon paths, I offer my service and sell my paths.
I would solo the dungeon anyways, because its more fun imo, and being able to get rewarded for the ability to solo 5 man content is nice.
Stop acting like Anet is giving us some kind of free ticket and completely supports it tho.
There are lots of active dungeon grievers that steal paths, me and many others have actively provided Anet with video evidence of it, and they aren’t gonna take any action because selling dungeons is not officially supported by them, and its your own risk.
If you don’t like it, ignore it, but let us keep doing what we enjoy.
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
I’ve never bought or sold paths, but this is…
You’re just openly saying you don’t care what other people have to say, you just want people banned because you’re offended. You want to punish other people in the community because they don’t conform to your ideal of gaming, of how they choose to spend their time and money.
If there’s anything toxic about path selling, it’s attitudes like yours.
You’re just openly saying you don’t care what other people have to say, you just want people banned because you’re offended. You want to punish other people in the community because they don’t conform to your ideal of gaming, of how they choose to spend their time and money.
If there’s anything toxic about path selling, it’s attitudes like yours.
You don’t have to like my opinion, and no, I don’t really care if it bothers you. I never said anything about punishing people, unless Anet changed the rules, which I think they should do. Then, yes, people who didn’t follow them should be banned.
At no point did I say people should be banned because path selling offended me. I said it offended me and that I wish Anet would make it against the rules.
You can climb off your high horse though, Anet isn’t going to change their stance any time soon. Or don’t, whatever. You’ll still think what you do, and I’ll still think what I do, either way.
Let me see if I understand your logic here:
Selling paths offends you => people doing it should be banned
is completely different, actually the opposite from
Selling paths offends you => ANet outlaws it => people doing it should be banned
well people were very helpfull when we started the game when precursors were 20-40 gold.. nowadays with mandatory ascended gear due to 10% more power and pre’s costing 1000 gold we see reasons to be less helpfull if it doesn’t give any benefits.
Still try to be open and helpfull.. But sometimes people are greedy.
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You guys sort of jumped all over the op about this, which sort of supports his point. I don’t think making it bannable is right but if I were a new player and I opened up LFG I probably would assume this is a f2p korean mmo. But, to each his own.. just cant imagine what people need all that gold for, I’m sitting on like 4k gold and i can’t think of anything to buy.
While it may not be its intended use for the lfg, tbh I dont see it as a big problem anymore. Obviously there is a market here, players are willing to buy. Anet could probably stop it by changing dungeon mechanics, but why would they want to? Even dungeon buyers play the game and thats all that matter.
If it had any impact on other people, such as getting super OP gear, I would be totally against it. But it doesnt, so meh.
You don’t have to like my opinion, and no, I don’t really care if it bothers you.
Oh, I’m not offended and I’m not telling you to change your opinion. Like I said, I don’t buy or sell paths, whether you like or dislike path selling is unimportant to me.
I’m simply pointing out that asking for restrictions to be imposed on others’ choices for a reason as shallow and selfish as personal offense is a toxic attitude. That’s a separate issue from your opinion.
I never said anything about punishing people, unless Anet changed the rules, which I think they should do. Then, yes, people who didn’t follow them should be banned.
At no point did I say people should be banned because path selling offended me. I said it offended me and that I wish Anet would make it against the rules.
So to clarify, you want ANet to force people to play the game how you want them to play because it offends you despite having no impact on your gameplay, and if they don’t then they should be punished. Split hairs aside, that still toxic.
You can climb off your high horse though, Anet isn’t going to change their stance any time soon. Or don’t, whatever. You’ll still think what you do, and I’ll still think what I do, either way.
No, no, I think I’ll stay on my high horse. It wouldn’t be fair if you were the only one on a horse, after all.
You can climb off your high horse though, Anet isn’t going to change their stance any time soon. Or don’t, whatever. You’ll still think what you do, and I’ll still think what I do, either way.
No, no, I think I’ll stay on my high horse. It wouldn’t be fair if you were the only one on a horse, after all.
It would be cool to have some sort of filter for selling paths, it’s annoying trying to find a group for Arah and maybe 1 in every 5 or 6 postings is for a group to actually clear.
It doesn’t make sense cause it goes against the whole concept of having achievements for doing such things, but devs seems to be fine with it, so…there isn’t much to do about it.
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Gaile has posted about that a couple times. Explicitly stated selling dungeon/fractal/whatever slots was perfectly fine, as it was for the purpose of forming a party regardless of it being a party for like 30s or however long it takes to finish it.
She also explicitly stated that advertising guilds, buying items, selling items were not allowed. So feel free to report anyone doing such.
She also said advertising slots in parties to farm home instances was not allowed despite being for the purpose of forming a group to do something together, often longer than the last 5% of a boss’ health.
She said that’s considered an “advertising an access portal” and is not allowed.
Which by logical extension means selling ports to things like JPs, Golden Coins, anything else (via the LFG tool) is not allowed either.
In the same vein, Taxis are against the LFG rules, as they are advertising an access portal to content, not for the formation of a group, at least when it’s “join and leave”.
I encourage you to find the LFG thread, I believe its a sticky, get to know the convoluted rules, and then feel free to report people abusing it.
Nothing is going to happen if no one reports the abusers.
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that it would.” -AnthonyOrdon
What I don’t get is why anyone would bother to buy fractal levels with gold. If you can’t do the higher levels, then just farm the lower ones to get what you need. It’s still more efficient than paying large sums of gold for what would more often than not amount to little return (the ironic part is that I’ve gotten most of my fractal weapon skins at lower/mid levels, like between 19 and 29 while higher levels often give me crap).
As for portal sellers at JP’s, in the past when I’ve seen them I just get a mesmer and go to the end of the same JP to let people up for free, just to annoy them. XD
At the end of the day, you can’t do much to stop these kinds of things from happening though. If people think it’s more efficient to spend 30 gold on a dungeon path, rather than just learning the path themselves and saving a lot of gold farming time, then that’s their issue. They’re actually losing out on more than they are gaining, especially when you consider how relatively straightforward most content is once you’ve learned it, and I think that’s enough self-inflicted punishment as it is.
It have been like this since the beginning of the game, and i don’t really see why it bother you so much. I have never bought a puzzle nor a dungeon, i just ignore them and either do my own group or jump in to those that suits me.
If people want to buy the puzzle or the dungeons well then they should, it is their game, their gold, their choice. If you don’t want too then just don’t, but also don’t make choices for others because this feels wrong to you.
In real life the same thing goes, you make choices after what you must do, what you need and want and ignore the other offers, adjust this to the game and accept that we all play the game differently and you will be fine
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Just checking out the game again this morning…reading a post like this is kind of sad. I know this sort of behavior is in a lot of games, but meh…its bad. I dont like it either.
Kind of makes me think twice about coming back, if I ever wanted to.
The other reason I wouldnt come back is because there are no well-established smaller guilds anymore that focus PVE and WvW(heavy WvW on reset nights). By small, I mean ~20-30 active players max.
I feel that everyone is part of the same old dozen or so large zergy guilds. Not into that.
Thats beside the point of this thread though…/endrant
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I don’t like the community effect to be honest. I think it discourages being kind and helpful for the sake of being kind and helpful. You get somebody asking for help with something, and so instead of “Sure, let’s go do it.” you get some people saying “offer?” “how much?” etc. as if the idea of helping another player without some kind of compensation is terrible. I think it has toxic repercussions for the entire community, and that disallowing it would benefit the community as a result.
I freely admit that is just my opinion, but I think there is some logic behind it.
Perhaps start a trend of advertised-free groups? Where you see “Selling path X”, saddle up right alongside and post “Free path X” runs. Just bring two friends and let the pugs have a nice day.
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I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I think this is a low point in GW2, the bar is set by WoW players who proliferate this mentality. I specifically started playing GW2 because of the developers wanting to move away from this mentality.
Support it all you want but it is a slippery slope, once this is considered “Normal” then the WoWification of yet another game is not far behind.
People sold runs in Guild Wars 1 all the time. You couldn’t even be in the starting area of prophecies without people selling their services as “gate monkeys”. You couldn’t go to Kamadan without people selling their “ferry” services.
There were people who sold missions. Sold runs to outpost. Tours of Eye of the North. Dungeon runs. Black Widow Spider runs.
I don’t like WoW either but not everything is WoW’s fault.
That’s totally right. Just want to add: Anet allowed and agreed the same way to blc chest farm. We all saw last update where this went.
A fair point, they can always change their minds if things get out of hand, so everything I said is simply the current state of things, one should always go to official posts, like the sticky, for up to date info.
I would hope such a change would come with warnings, announcements, and such that what once was explicitly allowed is changing, and not just sweeping bans.
(this is why its so hard to get them to clarify whats allowed and whats not in the first place, as once they say X is allowed its a lot harder to stop/curtail X down the road, but at the same time leaving people with a super vague set of “rules” the breaking of which can carry significant penalty isn’t really fair to the players either.)
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There is absolutely no evidence to support that it would.” -AnthonyOrdon
I think that assuming none of them would help with out compensation if such compensation was clearly against the rules is incorrect.
I’m pretty sure you thing wrong. I also sincerely doubt, that if you banned the selling, LFGs for normal runs would go up. Or that the “metazerk” ones would suddenly start accepting casuals that cannot do it on their own skill.
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I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I think this is a low point in GW2, the bar is set by WoW players who proliferate this mentality. I specifically started playing GW2 because of the developers wanting to move away from this mentality.
Support it all you want but it is a slippery slope, once this is considered “Normal” then the WoWification of yet another game is not far behind.
The “WoWification”?
Pff lulwut?
Like Gw2 is going to suddenly become a mainstream household name and go strong for 10 years defining a game genre? That’d be terrible indeed…
Sorry to kitten on your parade but Anet has been okay with people selling runs since the GW1 Prophecies days.
Clearly the metamorphosis into a perfect facsimile of WoW is a very slow process.
Yes it really would be terrible and here’s why. When something goes mainstream then that means a wider audience base is aware and into it. Not a problem by itself, but then these people start making demands that traditional gamers wouldn’t. Demands such as cutscenes and more consistent story instead of actual content and challenging content, both bonus secret content and the parts of the game one would encounter naturally. More people also means a lower common denominator, meaning things get simplified too much for their tastes. It’s the same reason why whenever a band becomes popular they usually stop being good.
People always talk about how original WoW was fun, then they simplified it too much.
I think that assuming none of them would help with out compensation if such compensation was clearly against the rules is incorrect.
I’m pretty sure you thing wrong. I also sincerely doubt, that if you banned the selling, LFGs for normal runs would go up. Or that the “metazerk” ones would suddenly start accepting casuals that cannot do it on their own skill.
This.
The sellers would just go out of game to sell or use map/say chat to advertise (depending on what was made illegal, using the LFG to sell spots or selling spots themselves). Like there was an LFG outside of the game before ANet made one in game.
It would also not affect any group type that doesn’t sell, such as the p1 ping zerk gear 15K AP no ranger no necro group or the casual anyone welcome group.
I find it distasteful in the extreme, but arena.net hasn’t declared it verboten, so this is what we get. Personally, I wish they’d make an official statement forbidding it, an then actively ban anyone who tried to do it. Of course, the kind of people who buy and sell these services are hugely offended about anyone who feels this way. They always immediately start screaming “How are they hurting you?” “shouldn’t they be paid for their skill?” etc. I could care less about their arguments though, it’s just tacky and sad, exploitative on the sellers side and pathetic on the buyers. At the very least if Anet banned it they’d have to make shady backroom deals on 3rd party forums and such, and you wouldn’t see it in the LFG tool anymore, and that would be much better. They could hang out in the dark alleys of the internet making shady, shameful deals all they want, always fearful that their dirty secret would come out and their account would be properly banned.
Lol someone is seriously overreacting to people who sell dungeon runs.
I think this is a low point in GW2, the bar is set by WoW players who proliferate this mentality. I specifically started playing GW2 because of the developers wanting to move away from this mentality.
Support it all you want but it is a slippery slope, once this is considered “Normal” then the WoWification of yet another game is not far behind.
The “WoWification”?
Pff lulwut?
Like Gw2 is going to suddenly become a mainstream household name and go strong for 10 years defining a game genre? That’d be terrible indeed…
Sorry to kitten on your parade but Anet has been okay with people selling runs since the GW1 Prophecies days.
Clearly the metamorphosis into a perfect facsimile of WoW is a very slow process.
Yes it really would be terrible and here’s why. When something goes mainstream then that means a wider audience base is aware and into it. Not a problem by itself, but then these people start making demands that traditional gamers wouldn’t. Demands such as cutscenes and more consistent story instead of actual content and challenging content, both bonus secret content and the parts of the game one would encounter naturally. More people also means a lower common denominator, meaning things get simplified too much for their tastes. It’s the same reason why whenever a band becomes popular they usually stop being good.
People always talk about how original WoW was fun, then they simplified it too much.
Why can’t a game shooting for great game play (mechanics + content) shoot for a great story as well? Don’t get me wrong if it’s either great game play or a great story and the other is just so-so, I’ll take great game play any day. But if it can be both, why is that a bad thing?
But in and of itself, asking for a better story isn’t a bad thing.
Selling runs was one of main incomes in gw1 as i remember beside banning them wouldn’t help much really. If you had no reason to run those dungeons you just wouldn’t do them and those that just want to rush trough them with 0 effort would probably find some other way to get over it.
Yeah it sure sux if you get asked for cash just to recieve some basic help but this is just saying a lot about person trying to sell you his ‘service’ as i personally didn’t ever cash in my help. So what to do in that case, well most easily ignore that person get some guild ask a friend or make friends XD
You guys sort of jumped all over the op about this, which sort of supports his point.
On the contrary, the OP jumped on sellers:
…open LFG panel …greeted by a bunch of used car salesmen.
Worse, there’s nothing in the original post that offers an explanation as to why selling dungeons is bad for the game. It doesn’t even make the case as to why it’s bad for the LFG tool (although a few later posts try to).
I don’t think anyone should be surprised that some responses have been defensive and reactive, since the original post was combative and disparaging.
(disclaimer: I don’t buy or sell paths. I know very few people who do either on a regular basis)
John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”
Selling paths/missions, etc. has been a thing since the original Guild Wars… Do not expect it to change anytime soon.
All this really does is open up more content to players who may be more casual than others… So what if someone lacks the allotted time (or skill) to run a 50 fractal or the Arah paths? Should it offend you that they still want the rewards offered from this content? If they are willing to earn gold elsewhere and invest it into aspects of the game they are unable to complete why should that be an issue? Additionally, this offers rewards for players with greater skill (or time haha) than others.
Finally, the original complaint is a gross exaggeration. Maybe if you ONLY look at the 40+ fractal or the Arah path LFG you will see a lot of sellers, but there are only ever a few sellers in the main LFG. If the <25% of lfg that is selling services bothers you… Don’t use it.
I wish there was a place for selling groups that wasn’t the main landing page for LFG. I do think that’s a problem (and in fairness, a lot of those groups do have sections like the common fractals 50 groups – they could advertise in the fractals section, but get higher visibility on the landing group). Opening the LFG tab and being confronted by a bunch of sellers is a pretty big put-off.
I think you’re overreacting. I have no interest in buying or selling completion of content, but I’m not gonna cry for ANet to ban those who would.
I main Ele and Necro, though I have an alt of each profession at level 80. How to Condi Reaper on a budget
Everything I say is only in reference to PvE and WvW.
I think its not really the selling of spots for dungeon paths that is the issue.. its selling spots to complete the last 1% of the end boss that is the issue.
These open spots more often than not are of legit players from the group that suddenly find themselves booted in order for there to be spots to sell.. that is the crux of my dislike of the double standards being set by ANET regarding LFG abuse rules.
As for the rest of the garbage found on the LFG… selling portals and home instances is still rife even though the official sticky was put out as is selling of items and guild recruitment.
If ANET are reluctant to police the system so that it utilised in the manner they set out, then why bother putting official stickies out… the same players are abusing that day after day, night after night.. surely its got to be simpler now to just update the tool and let these things be posted in there own sub-sections away from the general eye and be done with it.
It is so disappointing to log in and find out that only 1 thing is realy hard and get you enjoy=>making dungeons and fractals solo/duo.The purpouse not even gold,just making some fun .
