Guild Wars 2

I havent been in game for a while.

I noticed that, according to the wiki, the LFG tool was rolled out to all players on 23rd Sept.

Just wondering, how is it going? Is it useful? Have you personally found it to improve your game experience by finding more people to group with for content?

Yes it is useful.

yes it works just Avoid the groups that have these description.

speed run
selling p2,1,3 for 2 gold
only 80s ( if your not 80 )
no noobs
only wars and guardians

basically just avoid 80% of the groups that are on the LFG……..

Yes, it is very useful. While I appreciate what gw2lfg.com did and all kudos to whoever made/ran that site, I no longer use it as the in-game tool serves all my needs and is very convenient.

What Zoltreez mentions has nothing to do with the LFG tool. Those same groups were found on gw2lfg.com. There is plenty of non-elitist groups posting on it too, besides you can also start your own with a non-elitist description.

Works pretty much the same as gw2lfg.com does.

Groups form almost instantly, highlighting the strength of a no trinity system.
Big plus is that you can say what kind of group you want or join the kind of group you’re interested in.

MrRuin.9740:

Yes, it is very useful. While I appreciate what gw2lfg.com did and all kudos to whoever made/ran that site, I no longer use it as the in-game tool serves all my needs and is very convenient.

What Zoltreez mentions has nothing to do with the LFG tool. Those same groups were found on gw2lfg.com. There is plenty of non-elitist groups posting on it too, besides you can also start your own with a non-elitist description.

plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.

and its getting worse I slowly cant get into dungeons if its not me who make it lol
btw is this thing is cross server or not ? il hope its not and it will be.

btw whats up with this LFG path selling ? like if they can solo the dungeon without a group lol…….

Zoltreez.6435:

plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.

and its getting worse I slowly cant get into dungeons if its not me who make it lol
btw is this thing is cross server or not ? il hope its not and it will be.

btw whats up with this LFG path selling ? like if they can solo the dungeon without a group lol…….

1. Pretty much the same amount that you would normally find with the website
2. It is cross server
3. It was always popular to sell difficult dungeons paths (such as for example Arah paths) so that people could get their dungeon runner tittle without doing anything so difficult.

Yes it’s very useful. It’s basically simpler gw2lfg, but in game. It’s convenient and I hope they will improve it in the future like adding desired party composition.

Yep, very useful.

I usually make my own listings because I like to do casual/newbie friendly runs and every time I have they’ve filled up quickly. So far no issues with people not reading the description either.

gw2lfg was better, some people wanted to spam on server and didn’t want to bother on the site, so on the site people was (almost) respectufl about the caracteritic the people wanted.
Now they don’t care, experienced, 80, or some other things, they see the path they want, they join.
So yeah, basically lfg tool is good, if people can read.

Zoltreez.6435:

plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.

and its getting worse I slowly cant get into dungeons if its not me who make it lol
btw is this thing is cross server or not ? il hope its not and it will be.

btw whats up with this LFG path selling ? like if they can solo the dungeon without a group lol…….

Well, I don’t know what to tell you. I am having no problems finding groups to do the things I want. And I avoid speed running and elitist groups. I also know how to to post my own LFG if there’s none currently looking for more. Whats wrong with starting your own if there’s none up at the time? Its not like its work. Post it and leave it. People auto-join. And in doing so you’re helping against the problem you are claiming is rampant, by adding to the listings of non-elitist.

Besides, the point you are trying to make is invalid to the question at hand. The LFG tool works. And it’s convenient. That was the question being asked.
The elitist groups you speak of and path selling were existent long before the LFG tool and therefore have nothing to do with it. gw2lfg.com long served as the go-to for groups before the tool and it also has a lot of elitist and speed running groups, yet no one claims that site has a problem because of the people using it. The site itself works as intended, as does the LFG tool.

lol read him again he asked hows it going lol I just told it….. so its not invalid.

Zoltreez.6435:

yes it works just Avoid the groups that have these description.

speed run
selling p2,1,3 for 2 gold
only 80s ( if your not 80 )
no noobs
only wars and guardians

basically just avoid 80% of the groups that are on the LFG……..

…unless you want speed runs/no non-80’s/experienced players/heavy only groups
…in that case avoid the rest that say things like anyone welcome/killing everything etc. and start the party/dungeon yourself so you can kick people who don’t fit that description/are trying to make others carry them.

Basically the problem is that people don’t read the descriptions and there is nothing to stop some one you don’t want from joining/merging your party. It technically works though, just not nearly as well as it should.

Casuals need to have a better way of finding casuals (and keep out pros), pros need a better way of finding pros (and keep out casuals). Everything is fine and dandy until those two players mix… then this happens:

Apparently anyone can edit the LFG ad. Some random person can join your group, then delete the ad or do whatever else he wants to do to it and all you can do is hopefully boot him and fix everything he broke.

Surbrus.6942:

Apparently anyone can edit the LFG ad. Some random person can join your group, then delete the ad or do whatever else he wants to do to it and all you can do is hopefully boot him and fix everything he broke.

That’s LFG abuse, report them.

I like LFG. easy to find a group for almost any dungeons. I think the Openworld content and personal story tabs are kinda useless because Personal is soloable till maybe Orr. /shrug. Plus most players won’t know that we have such a thing.

Aberrant.6749:

That’s LFG abuse, report them.

No. That’s poor implementation. You can’t blame the players for the devs releasing stuff like this.

Surbrus.6942:

Aberrant.6749:

That’s LFG abuse, report them.

No. That’s poor implementation. You can’t blame the players for the devs releasing stuff like this.

It’s both and you should blame both. It’s hardly a mutually exclusive situation.

Aberrant.6749:

It’s both and you should blame both. It’s hardly a mutually exclusive situation.

Then where is the line drawn? If some random makes a minor edit to the LFG ad, or a major one?… what if they misunderstand something and think that the ad should be deleted? Being able to protect the ad from randoms should have been an obvious thing for the devs to do.

All a report is, is a “he said she said” argument, which is nothing to base any sort of action on.

Besides, lfg.com still gets higher quality players, and you have zero worry about anyone hijacking your ad. Anet should have AT LEAST matched the their lfg tool to a third party website’s quality.

Surbrus.6942:

Aberrant.6749:

It’s both and you should blame both. It’s hardly a mutually exclusive situation.

Then where is the line drawn? If some random makes a minor edit to the LFG ad, or a major one?… what if they misunderstand something and think that the ad should be deleted? Being able to protect the ad from randoms should have been an obvious thing for the devs to do.

All a report is, is a “he said she said” argument, which is nothing to base any sort of action on.

Besides, lfg.com still gets higher quality players, and you have zero worry about anyone hijacking your ad. Anet should have AT LEAST matched the their lfg tool to a third party website’s quality.

It’s highly doubtful that A-net would do anything if it’s just their first time… but what it would do by reporting them is show if they are habitually doing this to players… which would be griefing and may warrant repercussions. I agree there being a party leader with control over this would be better. However, this is the best we can do for now.

It’s both the players fault for abusing the system and the dev’s fault for putting a system in that can be abused so easily.

Aberrant.6749:

Surbrus.6942:

Aberrant.6749:

That’s LFG abuse, report them.

No. That’s poor implementation. You can’t blame the players for the devs releasing stuff like this.

It’s both and you should blame both. It’s hardly a mutually exclusive situation.

This the people who join parties and end search or edit descriptions and leave the party know full well what they are doing. Anet shouldn’t of let other people edit or control that stuff besides the party leader

Never once have I seen a party to kill Zhaitan, does that make the tool useless or people just give up once they realise personal story is a lie?

Zoltreez.6435:

plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.

and its getting worse I slowly cant get into dungeons if its not me who make it lol
btw is this thing is cross server or not ? il hope its not and it will be.

btw whats up with this LFG path selling ? like if they can solo the dungeon without a group lol…….

Every LFG post is a non-elite group.
The tool is cross-servers.
Some dungeons are easily duo-able, alternatively i can play with some friends and we can run, lets say, HOTW P3 (pretty sure no one would buy that, but it is just an example), they drop the group before the last boss while i remain inside and sell their spots.

/Fly away

I’ve yet to have a problem with the LFG system so far, which leads me to believe I’m the problem :P Of course I’ve only joined groups with descriptions that fit what I’m capable of (not zerker speed runs, and no Arah yet since I’ve only done sm so far).

Didn’t know anyone in the group could change the lfg message though. That seems very strange.

It’s the best thing they’ve done for the game so far.

It made finding groups a lot easier. Apparently there are lots of people for dungeons, even story mode. Just gotta find them. :-)

In terms of functionality, the gw2lfg site is better. I mean cmon, the site even has tags for specific group requirements. What we got is tool with an already basic function that is susceptible to being abuse.

Paul.4081:

Never once have I seen a party to kill Zhaitan, does that make the tool useless or people just give up once they realise personal story is a lie?

I posted an ad to kill Zhaitan (Arah STory mode). It was filled in five minutes. You can’t really wait for someone else to post, because the groups fill so fast, they’re gone unless you watch it 24/7.

Just make a group. Profit.

completely useless wvw section.

when commander tags up, there should be automatic message saying: commander XY taged in XY borderland.

it should stay until commander tags down.

Yes, it is extremely useful, in my experience. I never bothered with dungeons prior to the release of the LFG tool. Over the last week I have run eight or so, all of them I got a group formed quickly and effectively, and all but one of them were good groups (one of them saw the leader ragequit after a wipe so the instance dissolved).

At first I was a little surprised to see that it didn’t autoqueue and autoform groups like in WoW, FF XIV, etc. .. but on reflection, the model of letting people write a description so you can choose the right group for you seems to be working really well.

its aight…annoying when trying to get a good group together

Ben Newell.1759:

This has been nicely answered already. We intentionally went with making groups collaborative and open, and we were aware of the potential for abuse. That’s why we implemented the reporting system for it. It was a decision where we decided to trust in our community and make things more powerful and flexible, instead of locking everything up and making it slower/more cumbersome. Honestly, from my experiences using LFG, it seems like this was the right call.

Also, griefing in LFG is not a lot of reward for a lot of risk. It’s just not worth the suspension/ban to cause a minor inconvenience to someone.

how do we report people who joined in the middle of the path (earlier party members dced or left for rl stuff) just to troll and kick the instance opener?

Wukunlin.8461:

Ben Newell.1759:

This has been nicely answered already. We intentionally went with making groups collaborative and open, and we were aware of the potential for abuse. That’s why we implemented the reporting system for it. It was a decision where we decided to trust in our community and make things more powerful and flexible, instead of locking everything up and making it slower/more cumbersome. Honestly, from my experiences using LFG, it seems like this was the right call.

Also, griefing in LFG is not a lot of reward for a lot of risk. It’s just not worth the suspension/ban to cause a minor inconvenience to someone.

how do we report people who joined in the middle of the path (earlier party members dced or left for rl stuff) just to troll and kick the instance opener?

You dont unless you remember their name.

Ben Newell.1759:

This has been nicely answered already. We intentionally went with making groups collaborative and open, and we were aware of the potential for abuse. That’s why we implemented the reporting system for it. It was a decision where we decided to trust in our community and make things more powerful and flexible, instead of locking everything up and making it slower/more cumbersome. Honestly, from my experiences using LFG, it seems like this was the right call.

Also, griefing in LFG is not a lot of reward for a lot of risk. It’s just not worth the suspension/ban to cause a minor inconvenience to someone.

Ben,

When someone joins a group that you created via LFG tool, who is he actually joining?

• The person who created the initial ad?
• The person who entered the dungeon 1st?
• An unique instance ID that has nothing to do with the players.
  (from my observations this seems to be the case)

I’m interested because I would like to know how this works with ppl you have on ignore.
Normally via /join, they cannot join your party, and even if they do know someone else in your group, you always have the accept/deny window as a safety measure.

Thanks in advance,

Zoltreez.6435:

plenty ? you mean 3 well ok maybe 5 ? I never finde more then 5 non “elite” groups scattered around the LFG system and even that is rare.

That’s probably because they fill up so quickly. If there were 12 partial groups all forming for the same thing, I would be concerned.

Also, there have been some bugs reported for the LFG tool, so what you see may not always be representative of what’s actually there.

The LFG is generally useful but still has some flaws.

For example if the party becomes full, the ad is automatically taken off the list. Now if someone leaves you’ll need manually put up the ad again.

If you enter a dungeon, then list yourself in the LFG tool, 2+ people join and they kick you, you’re also kicked out of the dungeon (even if they didn’t enter it yet). The same happens if only 1 player joins and directly leaves.

Minor things, but they’re there.

I love it. It’s fantastic. In regards to “elitist” advertisements; they should be spotted before clicking.

Always read the description

Groups or players might want specific requirements. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it’s advertised.

When an advertisement for a higher level dungeon appears and all it says is “LFG” with no information, anyone will join. The poster should be clear and specific to what he/she wants as well.

Many times I will be posting for a level 10+ fractal and I get a level 6 character or around joining. I don’t enjoy kicking that person, or trying to explain why he/she isn’t coming along, but they didn’t read the description. I also get a lot of players who are brand new to Fractals who join a higher run, personally I’m not taking them on a run where I want to complete in decent time. If I’m running a level 5 or under, then sure I don’t mind a bit.

Ben Newell.1759:

This has been nicely answered already. We intentionally went with making groups collaborative and open, and we were aware of the potential for abuse. That’s why we implemented the reporting system for it. It was a decision where we decided to trust in our community and make things more powerful and flexible, instead of locking everything up and making it slower/more cumbersome. Honestly, from my experiences using LFG, it seems like this was the right call.

Also, griefing in LFG is not a lot of reward for a lot of risk. It’s just not worth the suspension/ban to cause a minor inconvenience to someone.

When party members join, can this be added to the system log so if they do abuse it by kicking the group leader once they join, we can see the names of it? Currently, all party chat disappears so if there is abuse and you can’t remember their exact name, you can’t report. If two griefers join and vote to kick the party leader really fast, you don’t always see their name and thus can’t report.

At the very least, the tool needs to differentiate party leader (party creator) from other 4 members. Why?

Leader decides the play style of the group – speed/casual run

The description is not idiot-proof. Players still join exp/speedrun groups when clearly they’re not up to it. Is that by design too?

Zoltreez.6435:

yes it works just Avoid the groups that have these description.

speed run
selling p2,1,3 for 2 gold
only 80s ( if your not 80 )
no noobs
only wars and guardians

basically just avoid 80% of the groups that are on the LFG……..

80% of my gold is from joining most of those groups. And I will continue joining those groups. And i encourage people to join those groups. And selling p 123 for gold? I swear never seen this kinda group.

LFG is hit and miss from what I’ve experienced. If you’re bored and want to mix things up, then it’s a great addition. If you’re looking to complete an instance with little to know problems, you should stick with people you know or your guild.

Oh yeah, never argue with anyone, it could be a set up to get you banned. If someone tries to start an argument with you either report them or leave, never argue.

quaniesan.8497:

80% of my gold is from joining most of those groups. And I will continue joining those groups. And i encourage people to join those groups. And selling p 123 for gold? I swear never seen this kinda group.

It’s mostly for Arah. People want dungeon master, so friends go in and duo or solo and sell the path spots. I don’t see anything wrong with it.

90% sellers in arah are exploiters , meaning Lupi is never killed, or they just kick ppl after the boss that needs more than 2 players is dead ( tar, wraith etc).
But indeed nothing wrong with it, lets just keep going, the casuals buying are happy.

tAzz.8497:

90% sellers in arah are exploiters , meaning Lupi is never killed, or they just kick ppl after the boss that needs more than 2 players is dead ( tar, wraith etc).
But indeed nothing wrong with it, lets just keep going, the casuals buying are happy.

If they kick, you report. There has been multiple topics on these things and Anet is alright with them selling spots as long as they are not griefing. For some runs it’s entire guilds doing it, with people agreeing to leave, then hosting their own party and the person that sold spots before decides to leave, etc.

The other day I wanted to do AC path 2. So I entered AC and advertised for a party with is ad. Path 2 lvl 80 experienced, tired of explaining. The group filled up then suddenly I was standing back outside in the plains of ashford and someone changed the add to path 1 and 3. So I left the group and entered ac again to start another and used the same thing and people join and all choose different paths then what I advertised for.

The tool is nice for finding people but some of the people you wind up with are knuckleheads.

There are two bugs unrelated to the LFG tool, which has worked beautifully in my experience except when it literally didn’t work (our party ad doesn’t go up until we reform the party, which involves losing the instance — that is a known bug, right?).

The first bug is that party chat goes away when you leave your party. I can’t see a reason for this at all. Your chat log should really be a log, not something that has messages vanish from it. Also added to that, party joins, parts, and kicks should all be recorded in some sort of log if they aren’t already.

The second bug is that kicking the instance leader dissolves the instance. Or if the instance leader DCs, or decides to leave. If somebody is in an instance, the instance should never dissolve. The fact that the lifespan of it is dependent upon only one of the five players is downright bad design. Now, if everybody left the instance, then it can be dissolved, but not because one person did.

These are the issues that affect us dungeon runners. The fact that there are groups that want experienced only or level 80 only is not a detriment to the fact that story mode and casual runs happen. I sometimes even create story mode groups that I’ve already completed, not for the 50 silver, but to help others. The LFG tool has helped me achieve both of these goals without having issues.

Ben Newell.1759:

Floryn.6307:

When someone joins a group that you created via LFG tool, who is he actually joining?

• The person who created the initial ad?
• The person who entered the dungeon 1st?
• An unique instance ID that has nothing to do with the players.
  (from my observations this seems to be the case)

I’m interested because I would like to know how this works with ppl you have on ignore.
Normally via /join, they cannot join your party, and even if they do know someone else in your group, you always have the accept/deny window as a safety measure.

Thanks in advance,

The third option is closest. When a party is created, it has a unique ID that provides a handle to that party throughout the game systems.

Then how come the whole party get booted from dungeons the moment the “leader” leaves?

Zoltreez.6435:

yes it works just Avoid the groups that have these description.

speed run
selling p2,1,3 for 2 gold
only 80s ( if your not 80 )
no noobs
only wars and guardians

basically just avoid 80% of the groups that are on the LFG……..

Some people like me don’t like wasting time with newbies, so I am actually looking for 80 only and experienced players. Class restriction is another story and I don’t really care if I am playing with ranger, engi or any other class.