Guild Wars 2

Maybe instead of stripping features for new players and using them as rewards, you could maybe ADD ACTUAL NEW REWARDS. You know, maybe you guys should get some players to be advisors, that way maybe you’ll realize when something is a terrible idea.

I picked up this game back in OB… School hit/work and I never had time to play.. I recently got back into.. Deleted my old ranger,because I had an Engi that was Human and higher and I didn’t want to play the exact same story over again… The goal was to get as many as to 40 then make my choice. Sure leveling is a little quicker, but they killed core character functionality at lower levels.. i mean seriously which idiot thought it would be smart to put pet control functions in higher levels WHILE locking us out of weapon skills..

Well you killed those 3 alt character expansion slots me and my wife bought each… really sickening to me

honestly… I have no idea what the changes even are. anyone want to explain?

Every single ability is behind a level requirement unlock… The “new rewards” is everything we used to be able to do, now unlocked at a level… and I mean EVERYTHING!

No gathering, dodging, trading posts, downed state, conditions, and much more for new players. All this feature pack did is make previously available things level-locked. Lol

Yep, seems like Anet is going in the right direction…. /s

So I logged in today on my level 7 elementalist to discover that I no longer have the ability to use offhand weapons and 2 of my elements are gone. All that is now locked behind higher levels.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME with this nonsense?
Why, why, why would you take things away from us and then declare it to be a “reward”?
Congratulations, you’ve recreated Wor’d of Warcraft’s completely awful leveling system where 70% of your level ups get you literally nothing and you have to wait till max level to have a complete character. Did you ever think that maybe having access to a lot of stuff at low levels was a selling point? That maybe that was what people liked about your game?
Just unbelievable.

Wait, the bank is level locked? So I can’t even make use of those level 20 scrolls until later?

Sounds pretty awful. I wanted to have a use of scrolls to bypass this useless process…

after leaving the starting opening scene lv 2 I can still:

Go to wvw by hitting ‘b’
get a crafting profession
talk to a trading post rep
gather materials
access my bank
equip items of blue quality

It popping up in the leveling is just telling new players about it. If you are a vet, you can ignore them cause they are just there to tell new players features around the game.

Oh, so I can hit the level 20 scroll then.

All is well.

But they really shouldn’t hide the wvw buttons for older players.

I agree this was a very very bad feature pack.

Use to be you started with skill slots 1 through 6 unlocked at level 1 and skill slots 7, 8, 9 and 0 at level 5, 10, 20 and 30. After level 30 all that was left for you to do was get traits and buying more skills. Your “personal” growth as a character seemed somewhat stagnated.

So now it’s level 13, 24, 35 and 40 for slots 7-0. And that’s to pad out unlocking slots 2 to 5 at various levels as well as underwater skills. And you know what, the “hey look what you just got” is fun … once. After that we know the game mechanics. As it is it makes playing a low level character very difficult and very different than a high level one.

Honestly, unlock the lower limits for players with high level characters. Otherwise I would not be surprised if the number of new characters being rolled by existing players drop even further than what was caused by the trait changes. Nobody likes it when their cheese is moved and you feel like moving it every time you roll out a feature pack.

Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

That isn’t the point… Imagine if you didn’t have any.. better yet Imagine being someone who just started 4-5 months ago with NONE… Of course older players will be mad.. it make the leveling process stupid

just tested the personal story first 5 steps. There are lootbags now (with standard reward), but… the droploot of the foes is gone.

It’s not that we don’t have them. It’s that some players like leveling from level 1 and now we feel like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.

Must be level 20 in order to use the level 20 scroll

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

TexArmageddon.2497:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

That isn’t the point… Imagine if you didn’t have any.. better yet Imagine being someone who just started 4-5 months ago with NONE… Of course older players will be mad.. it make the leveling process stupid

Thats true if u started 4-5months ago. I gues i i considered “veteran” to at least be playing the game for a 1 year.

Well I am kind of glad I came to the forums before I reinstalled GW2. Now I don’t have to waste my time. Be back in another year to see what they screw up next.

phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

Hoarder :-P

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

So everything is ok just because you have tomes of knowledge…… Man get out

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

yes, the design should be for everyone. The fact that some people who had a certain playstyle can get around it doesnt mean its a good system. They forgot that people are new to the game for only 1 charachter, and a big selling point for the game after that was leveling alts. The whole entire leveling process is now about grinding exp as fast as possible, and then you can go back and play it normally, except it will be super easy, but at least you wont feel crippled.

Lisa.6102:

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

Hoarder :-P

Just thinking ahead XD. Warrior is the only class i need for 80 so i saved them, also got a full zerk set and some accessories in bank for when i finally make him.

phys.7689:

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

yes, the design should be for everyone. The fact that some people who had a certain playstyle can get around it doesnt mean its a good system. They forgot that people are new to the game for only 1 charachter, and a big selling point for the game after that was leveling alts. The whole entire leveling process is now about grinding exp as fast as possible, and then you can go back and play it normally, except it will be super easy, but at least you wont feel crippled.

The thing is this system won’t improve anything… You’re still gonna have the clueless in ANY event who wont know the proper mechanics till they run it over and over again

also note that the DOWNED SKILLS are LOCKED

so are skills for UNDERWATE COMBAT. You have only the #1 until roughly lvl ~8.

I had plans on getting all classes to 80, but there’s no way I’m touching a char pre-40 in a very, very long time.

ArchonWing.9480:

Wait, the bank is level locked? So I can’t even make use of those level 20 scrolls until later?

Sounds pretty awful. I wanted to have a use of scrolls to bypass this useless process…

no, it isnt level locked, you can access it any time after the initial level 1 experience (unless you have the golem banker from the mail, then you can access it immediately)

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

I started around 4 months ago. I don’t have any experience scrolls or whatever that other thing is. But I know how to play the game. Too bad, apparently 4 months isn’t long enough to know how to do anything other than auto-attack.

TexArmageddon.2497:

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

So everything is ok just because you have tomes of knowledge…… Man get out

Calm down, i alrdy agreed with your other post if you started 4-5 months ago then the complaints make sense. I have a different definition of veteran XD

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Lisa.6102:

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phys.7689:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

your level 20 guy still has less skills than he did before, you only have one utility, no traits, and who knows what else has been sealed away. i know that you need to get to 19 before you unlock you final downed skill.

I have enough tomes of knowledge to instantly get to 80 If you have only been playing a few months the complaints make more sense tho.

Hoarder :-P

Just thinking ahead XD. Warrior is the only class i need for 80 so i saved them, also got a full zerk set and some accessories in bank for when i finally make him.

I say in gist, as I think I may possibly have more, I seem to "collect’ for “just in case”

You guys are missing a critical point. Since launch I have stated this clearly, but well it’s been nearly 2 years and no one listened in the past.

This game is built on mediocrity. Your base damage is mediocre, your skills that enhance your damage are mediocre. Sigils, runes, food buffs, all mediocre. But take heart! If you stack enough mediocrity and pile it very high you will seem powerful! (in comparison to not stacking mediocrity)

If you pile it high enough you can barely see over the lip of your pit of woe. Not enough to climb out, but you can see!

burning the devs who implemented this (and trait system) in effigy.

Glov.5342:

also note that the DOWNED SKILLS are LOCKED

so are skills for UNDERWATE COMBAT. You have only the #1 until roughly lvl ~8.

I had plans on getting all classes to 80, but there’s no way I’m touching a char pre-40 in a very, very long time.

Salvage is locked until level 12 and basic kits and better at 15, including the copper-fed salvage kit. Gathering is locked until level 9.

Behellagh.1468:

Glov.5342:

also note that the DOWNED SKILLS are LOCKED

so are skills for UNDERWATE COMBAT. You have only the #1 until roughly lvl ~8.

I had plans on getting all classes to 80, but there’s no way I’m touching a char pre-40 in a very, very long time.

Salvage is locked until level 12 and basic kits and better at 15, including the copper-fed salvage kit. Gathering is locked until level 9.

i think you can use them, they just dont tell you about them or something.

Behellagh.1468:

Glov.5342:

also note that the DOWNED SKILLS are LOCKED

so are skills for UNDERWATE COMBAT. You have only the #1 until roughly lvl ~8.

I had plans on getting all classes to 80, but there’s no way I’m touching a char pre-40 in a very, very long time.

Salvage is locked until level 12 and basic kits and better at 15, including the copper-fed salvage kit. Gathering is locked until level 9.

I salvaged stuff at level one while in the story instance. Gathering I saw at level 5 outside the level 6 heart.

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

Oh I have them, I just don’t want to use them. I liked the whole run of leveling my alts. It gave me time to get used to different weapon sets or just approach things a bit differently. Being a veteran doesn’t mean all of us use the scrolls. I just wish I could sell them off since I have no plans to ever use them.

Someone was screaming on the forum that they couldn’t use their copper-fed kit until they were 15.

ardasica.4531:

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Veteran players seem the most upset by this which i dont get. I started since release and its not like i dont hav 8 experience scrolls and 80+tomes of knowledge sitting in the bank. If your a veteran how do you not have any?

Oh I have them, I just don’t want to use them. I liked the whole run of leveling my alts. It gave me time to get used to different weapon sets or just approach things a bit differently. Being a veteran doesn’t mean all of us use the scrolls. I just wish I could sell them off since I have no plans to ever use them.

well now u have a reason to use them heh. But fair enough

Behellagh.1468:

Someone was screaming on the forum that they couldn’t use their copper-fed kit until they were 15.

it does say something about unlocking salvage at certain level, but i was able to buy a basic one before that from a crafting vendor.
I did notice some other vendors werent selling any basic items, but i figured they were just bad vendors.

It seems like the real issue here is that you’re unable to Key Farm as easily as you used to and that you’re just hiding it behind outrage about something else.

Artur Hawkwing.9125:

It seems like the real issue here is that you’re unable to Key Farm as easily as you used to and that you’re just hiding it behind outrage about something else.

I am amused that whenever non-new players start complaining about the leveling changes, someone comes in with key farming.

Not all of us key farmed. Some of us just want to see the game work in a fashion that is both fun and successful.

Behellagh.1468:

Glov.5342:

also note that the DOWNED SKILLS are LOCKED

so are skills for UNDERWATE COMBAT. You have only the #1 until roughly lvl ~8.

I had plans on getting all classes to 80, but there’s no way I’m touching a char pre-40 in a very, very long time.

Salvage is locked until level 12 and basic kits and better at 15, including the copper-fed salvage kit. Gathering is locked until level 9.

completely untrue about salvaging and gathering. You can do them immediately at lv 2

Okay then someone needs to fix the wiki unless it’s those levels are when they first tell the player about them. In which case they aren’t locked.

In Guild Wars 1, leveling was a result of playing the game and going through the story. In Guild Wars 2, the game and the story are locked behind leveling. So pathetic.

Behellagh.1468:

Someone was screaming on the forum that they couldn’t use their copper-fed kit until they were 15.

Hmmm I used crude salvage kits that I already had from previous key running. I didn’t try the copper-fed kit.

Rogue.7856:

You call crippling the early game abilities and putting them behind a level requirement a reward? Are you kidding me? Did you not learn from your China release!? How is locking story until your 10 levels up a reward? Or locking trading post, bank, and guilds behind a level requirement? You crippled your early game experience… great job!

How could you not take into consideration the 50 page topic complaining about the trait system for 4 months! (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/page/47#post4372835). And now this!?!

Extremely upset… Just yesterday I was very excited about the update… now I’m extremely disappointed… I’m done with alts or any characters before level 40… you absolutely ruined the new character experience… for 2 years it was just fine, but now you messed it up… seriously great job!

Agreed!

What an absolute farce!

This game has been sliding for a while, but now it is utterly trash.

And why? Because greedy anet wanted to nerf key farming so that more people would buy the stupid things on the gem store.

This game is trash! I’m done.

Is there a single person who likes unlocking traits?

Is there a single person who likes having their weapon skills locked behind set experience levels?

If I were such a simpleton that I honestly couldn’t handle the previous pace at which weapon skills came to me in GW2, I would have a lot bigger fish to fry than worrying about complex MMO game mechanics. I probably would have immense trouble booting up my PC and installing the game, much less playing it. Or for that matter, how the heck did I even get dressed in the morning?

They are going to gem everything up. don’t wana press 1 all the time? here, 500 gems to unlock all that shiz. what’s that? lvling too hard for you? awww here, 1000 gems for insta lv 80. wait what?? max your crafting skill too complicated? let me give you this special crafting box, one click to max lv and it’s 1600 gems only. oh noez, you don’t have much time to do dailiez? how about 100 gems per day to finish it all? coming soon.