Guild Wars 2

Devata.6589:

phys.7689:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t really see this issue all that often in the game. Maybe it’s just that I don’t typically play during peak hours?

But I’ve done dungeons, I’ve done world bosses, etc, and the vast majority of the time what the OP is discussing isn’t an issue. Or sure, there are always a few lewd comments, but nothing like whats being discussed here. All one can really do is report it, that’s what the report feature is for. Beyond that, there’s a filter and an ignore function. Those are the options.

As for the N-word specifically, it just makes me roll my eyes. That is such a double standard. Its perfectly ok for a black man to say it, but its racist when a white man uses it. Cmon now. It’s either racist or its not, it cannot be both. Just further shows how terrible our society really is.

1)Its all fine for someone to say, insert your culture can hold their liquor, its not ok and fine for other people to say, hey that culture is a bunch stinking alcholics. If one ever came around my daughter i would just leave trail of liquor bottles leading to a spike pit.
2) just because 1% of the total population may or may not be ok being labeled a certain way, does not mean the population as a whole is ok with it. For example, your grandmother may many times say, women need to stay home and take care of their kids, and keep a clean house, and let the men earn money. That doesnt mean its ok for men to go around saying every woman should do that, and for them to tell people hey, i can say that, because lanfear Shadowflames mother always told me that, and shes a woman.

No it’s oke for them to say that because of free speech. But I don’t see how this is on topic.

I repeat it again for the last time. Because you disagree or find something offensive does not make it forbidden. So you can report, you can ignore and you should move on.

free speech is not unlimited. you dont get to do and say whatever you want

harassment (either harris-meant or huh-rass-meant) n. the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail (“I’ll stop bothering you, if you’ll go to bed with me”). The victim may file a petition for a “stay away” (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker.

phys.7689:

Devata.6589:

phys.7689:

Devata.6589:

emikochan.8504:

Devata/Lanfear stop being ignorant. It’s not a double standard.

Saying that is not a double standard (you referring to lanfear) now that’s what I consider racism. Because you agree that purely based on color one person is allowed to do / say something and another is not. That’s pretty mutch the definition of racism,

Anyway, this is going way to much off topic.

OP did say multiple things but most of the post was about people saying things he did not like (where rude according to him). Not saying what that was. So it’s everybody’s guess what those things where. But like I said before, what is offensive for one person might not be offensive for the other and denying it might also be offensive for yet another person.

Maybe OP is talking about how some people talk about the asura’s. Some might find that offensive other might find that funny. I would not be for not allowing that sort of things. But then the OP can report and block.

The general advice being given here.

the op identified at least one of the derogatory terms that people were saying.

True and as seen in this thread, some consider that offensive, other don’t. Exactly my point why you can’t focus to much on those things and should then (if you consider it offensive) ignore it and move on.

So what you are saying is that people shouldnt get mad if random people come by and insult them to their faces, because sticks and stones and all that. And everyone should judge there personal level of offense to anything anyone says, by every other person’s definition of what is cool.

So if some one calls your wife dirty wh* sl* every day she goes to the store, thats cool, because they have some people somewhere who arent offended by that type of thing. she should just learn to ignore them.

and im not saying censorship is cool, im saying its a totally different type of issue. Derogatory terms are people directly insulting you and trying to cause a negative reaction in you, or control/alter your behavior for their own amusment/biases. While its all good to say people should just grin and bear it, why should they have to?

No I say you might be mad about it. I just say you should automatically not expect somebody to get banned (or in your example getting thrown in jail) for it.

Besides if a person would say something like your example to you ingame I’m pretty sure he would get (at least a temporary) ban. But we don’t know exactly what has been said right. So the talk is more in the general sense of banning because they say something that is offensive to another person in general.

Rebound.3409:

DonQuack.9025:

so many white people feeling offended for me.

I always laugh. Though I’d prefer you give me money instead of telling me what I should or shouldnt feel bad about..

As if the big bad white people have money to just give away. We all have similar problems yo :P

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phys.7689:

free speech is not unlimited. you dont get to do and say whatever you want

If it comes to expressing your opinion! I 100% disagree with you and say free speech should be 100% unlimited. But this is a game so the free speech discussion does not really apply here anyway. The question here is if something is bannable because it’s offensive to another player.

And then in general sense I say no, you can’t expect something to be bannable because you feel it’s offensive to you.

@Don haha. Thumbs up!

Devata.6589:

Lots and lots of good threads.

Last thread I considered interesting that was closed was this one https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Good-luck-everyone/page/2#post4536494

Also there where a few reactions added in an old thread a few days ago. When I checked later all those post where deleted to berry that thread again. While there was nothing wrong with those comments.

But that doesn’t really matter. I just said that as example to show that ‘offensive’ is personal. That is why you can’t expect somebody to get banned for saying something you consider offensive. Likely somebody else will be offensed because of that ban so what about that person? Kitten him?

Hi everyone,
Since this thread couldn’t stay constructive, we’ll now close it.
Thank you for your understanding.

What’s there hard to understand?

I see plenty of such threads being closed and majority of them have been closed because of one single reason – lack of constructive feedback and flaming/raging.
There are forum rules, there is common sense, there are moderators who keep a check on threads to not let them get out of the hand.

Blame people who turn such threads into flame zone and lure trolls and people who seek carnage.

They do their job properly and if they’ll make a mistake, which may happen because they’re living beings after all, then send a ticket to support and ask them for clean up and open desired thread.

If you believe that Gw2 Forum Moderators are rude and whatsoever then go to other games forums and see how people are treated there, where you’re allowed to leave only positive and constructive feedback.

Tao.5096:

Devata.6589:

Lots and lots of good threads.

Last thread I considered interesting that was closed was this one https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Good-luck-everyone/page/2#post4536494

Also there where a few reactions added in an old thread a few days ago. When I checked later all those post where deleted to berry that thread again. While there was nothing wrong with those comments.

But that doesn’t really matter. I just said that as example to show that ‘offensive’ is personal. That is why you can’t expect somebody to get banned for saying something you consider offensive. Likely somebody else will be offensed because of that ban so what about that person? Kitten him?

Hi everyone,
Since this thread couldn’t stay constructive, we’ll now close it.
Thank you for your understanding.

What’s there hard to understand?

I see plenty of such threads being closed and majority of them have been closed because of one single reason – lack of constructive feedback and flaming/raging.
There are forum rules, there is common sense, there are moderators who keep a check on threads to not let them get out of the hand.

Blame people who turn such threads into flame zone and lure trolls and people who seek carnage.

They do their job properly and if they’ll make a mistake, which may happen because they’re living beings after all, then send a ticket to support and ask them for clean up and open desired thread.

If you believe that Gw2 Forum Moderators are rude and whatsoever then go to other games forums and see how people are treated there, where you’re allowed to leave only positive and constructive feedback.

That was my point indeed. You don’t like it, report and move on.

NewTrain.7549:

When African Americans have dominated society and deprived Americans of European descent their rights to marriage, education, healthcare, and other basic freedoms, you can start claiming the use of “n*****” is a double standard. Until that day, it’s merely an attempt to claim a word that has been used for generations to belittle and degrade a group of people based on the color of their skin and thereby deprive it of its potency to hurt.

TL;DR Only white people can be racist. That’s something a racist (or a reject) would say.

O wow, this topic isn’t about humans massacring centaur and krait enslaving quaggan?

No gobble….that would truly be racist.

Devata.6589:

That was my point indeed. You don’t like it, report and move on.

Hard to catch your point when you give an example which turns out that moderator doing his work properly as in enforcing forum rules in threads is offending.

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This thread reminds me of this song/performance, Prejudice by Tim Minchin

Tao.5096:

Devata.6589:

That was my point indeed. You don’t like it, report and move on.

Hard to catch your point when you give an example which turns out that moderator doing his work properly as in enforcing forum rules in threads is offending.

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You consider it doing his work properly, I consider it offensive and that shows that what is offensive is just an opinion. Because of that it’s something you can report, ingame you can ignore and thats it. But it’s not something you should automatically expect that ingame a person gets banned because he does something that is offensive to you.

I could come with other reasons why closing those threads is bad and why they should not do it, but the ‘offensive’ claim is not automatically a reason for a ban / a reason to stop doing that.

So you made the same conclusion as I did. Report, ignore and move on if ‘offended’ is your problem.

I see a lot of people talking about sensitive things in map chat (religion, race, gender/sexual identity and orientation). Sometimes these conversations are alright, but most of the time they get out of hand. Strangely it’s often because one person takes offence from something that wasn’t intended to be offensive and then it just falls to pieces and an argument is born. Other times it’s purposefully provoked by a moron who has nothing better to do than to upset people. :P

If people are getting upset (and for a valid reason) I suggest to them that they use the report feature rather than get upset about it in map chat in retaliation to the offender.

I use the report function whenever I see something provocative or abusive, but I feel that a lot of others don’t bother reporting because there’s little incentive to do it. A lot of people think that submitted reports just get swept under the carpet and there’s no way that to tell if the offender gets punished or not.

I’ve seen scenarios where “trolls” sit in a main city for hours spouting hate-speech against particular groups of people. Plenty of people reported the guy over the duration of about 3 hours and nothing (from what I saw) happened. I went to dinner and came back and the guy was still ranting on. I tried to get people to move areas or block the guy, but it’s difficult to reason with angry people and a lot of people like to watch the drama. The guy was even claiming that he had been reported hundreds of times and nothing happened to him, so “arena net must agree with me”. He could’ve been lying about everything to get attention, but it left a sour taste in most peoples’ mouths nonetheless.

Devata.6589:

Tao.5096:

Devata.6589:

That was my point indeed. You don’t like it, report and move on.

Hard to catch your point when you give an example which turns out that moderator doing his work properly as in enforcing forum rules in threads is offending.

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You consider it doing his work properly, I consider it offensive and that shows that what is offensive is just an opinion. Because of that it’s something you can report, ingame you can ignore and thats it. But it’s not something you should automatically expect that ingame a person gets banned because he does something that is offensive to you.

I could come with other reasons why closing those threads is bad and why they should not do it, but the ‘offensive’ claim is not automatically a reason for a ban / a reason to stop doing that.

So you made the same conclusion as I did. Report, ignore and move on if ‘offended’ is your problem.

Offensive is an opinion….that said…we do have social mores that any venue has a right to require when entering their premises.

I can wear no shirt on the street….as a man anyway. But I can’t enter certain restaurants without a shirt….most even…because there are rules of that place.

Racism is against the terms of service. Therefore the person is violating a rule they agreed to to enter this venue.

Now, it’s true I can block and move on, but that’s not the point. If it’s against the TOS and I’m offended by it, I have every right to complain about it.

Free speech exists to guarantee that people won’t be sent to jail for talking bad about those in power.

In most places it’s still illegal to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

The most offensive thing I’ve seen in GW2 so far was last week when a guy was calling everyone in the Labyrinth instance “stupid” for liking GW2.

I can confirm that the block feature works.

Afaik offensive language isn’t a ban-able offense, and there’s nothing you/we (we as in the forum users) can do besides report offensive kittens and block ’em.

Vayne.8563:

Devata.6589:

Tao.5096:

Devata.6589:

That was my point indeed. You don’t like it, report and move on.

Hard to catch your point when you give an example which turns out that moderator doing his work properly as in enforcing forum rules in threads is offending.

:|

You consider it doing his work properly, I consider it offensive and that shows that what is offensive is just an opinion. Because of that it’s something you can report, ingame you can ignore and thats it. But it’s not something you should automatically expect that ingame a person gets banned because he does something that is offensive to you.

I could come with other reasons why closing those threads is bad and why they should not do it, but the ‘offensive’ claim is not automatically a reason for a ban / a reason to stop doing that.

So you made the same conclusion as I did. Report, ignore and move on if ‘offended’ is your problem.

Offensive is an opinion….that said…we do have social mores that any venue has a right to require when entering their premises.

I can wear no shirt on the street….as a man anyway. But I can’t enter certain restaurants without a shirt….most even…because there are rules of that place.

Racism is against the terms of service. Therefore the person is violating a rule they agreed to to enter this venue.

Now, it’s true I can block and move on, but that’s not the point. If it’s against the TOS and I’m offended by it, I have every right to complain about it.

Free speech exists to guarantee that people won’t be sent to jail for talking bad about those in power.

In most places it’s still illegal to yell “fire” in a crowded theater.

Yet the question then is if it’s racist. It’s not racist just because somebody is offended by it.

Yelling fire in a theater is illegal because it’s causing uproars. It’s not the same as giving a opinion or an idea or a vision. Nor does it have anything to do with somebody being offended and so it should not be allowed. What the discussion is about. So a completely irrelevant example.

It’s astounding to me that this thread is still open.

Hi everyone,

Discussions of in-game abuse and the like are not allowed on the forums. If you feel a player is abusive in-game, please report them using the in-game ticketing system so our Customer Support team can properly investigate the issue and take any appropriate action.

This thread is now closed. Thank you for your understanding.