Malyck! We want you back!
Not really, what’s to say the same thing that happened to the pale tree happened to his tree. But there was no one there to help, also wasn’t he soundless? We already know what happened to soundless in HoT. They served the dragon. Chances are so did he, and if all from his tree where like him, they are gone. I really don’t see it as a big deal. Charr, Asura and Norn didn’t get that much lore building in Eye of the North, and there lore has not been touched since launch. The tree people have been explored enough, I’m nit saying ANet should never expand them more in the future, but not everyone cares, or wants to be in a world that’s all about the trees.
Personally I really don’t see how him coming from another tree is huge. Mordim have to come from somewhere, there are probably loads of trees. All but the pale got corrupted because of the teachings.
Maybe he’ll get stuck in the next raid like the white mantle.
You have no idea if he was Soundless. He was another kind. Plus some soundless weren’t corrupted so your argument is invalid…again. Anet had his story, which means he and his tree is alive.
As somebody here told – other races get their long time in GW1. Now Sylvari’s lore finish please!
And Raid is about human’s lore
This is not GW1. The amount of time spent developing the older races in a different game is irrelevant to the amount of story time spent on them in this one. Even so, all of the racial lore in GW2 deviates from what we knew in GW1 due to the passage of centuries and the evolution of those races’ cultures. The fact that the older races’ cultures have centuries, or even millennium, more history than do the Sylvari is a reason to spend more time developing and exploring that history than is spent on the Sylvari in my opinion. Not the reverse.
This is GW2 lore is still here and we know almost everything about other races, more or less, while we have tons of questions about Sylvari
This is not GW1. The amount of time spent developing the older races in a different game is irrelevant to the amount of story time spent on them in this one. Even so, all of the racial lore in GW2 deviates from what we knew in GW1 due to the passage of centuries and the evolution of those races’ cultures. The fact that the older races’ cultures have centuries, or even millennium, more history than do the Sylvari is a reason to spend more time developing and exploring that history than is spent on the Sylvari in my opinion. Not the reverse.
This is GW2 lore is still here and we know almost everything about other races, more or less, while we have tons of questions about Sylvari
The only question I have about Sylvari is “When will the story stop focusing on the stupid cabbage elves?”
Also – there’s more to lore than “Knowing/Learning about them”. There’s also “Watching them kick kitten and take names and run over dragons while killing gods with HEAVY METAL TANKS!”
The only question I have about Sylvari is “When will the story stop focusing on the stupid cabbage elves?”
Also – there’s more to lore than “Knowing/Learning about them”. There’s also “Watching them kick kitten and take names and run over dragons while killing gods with HEAVY METAL TANKS!”
Why did you buy HoT anyway? It’s supposed to be about Sylvaris and seems like you don’t like them. So why anyway?
The most important lore is getting to know if there are other Sylvari and what happened to these infected by Mordrem after Modremoth’s death.
We need less salad based stories (#BurnTheGroveDown), and more Asura/Charr centered stories.
so have you ever played the original Guild Wars? Prophecies and Eye of the North was all about Charr, and a good portion of Eye of the North was all about the Asura. It went into great detail about how Abaddon influenced the flame legion, et cetera, and how Primordus drove the Asura out of the ground. I spent a good 3-4 years of my life listening to Anet give me Charr / Asura lore. Let sylvari do things now
I would say each of the norn, asura, and charr had about equal amount of content in Eye of the North. And if you want to compare (actual) expansions, then you have to acknowledge that Sylvari had more focus than those, since thats basically all HoT was focused on, where as Eye focused on three different races.
Why did you buy HoT anyway? It’s supposed to be about Sylvaris and seems like you don’t like them. So why anyway?
Well there was other stuff to be had instead of story, like the elite specs, gliding, legendaries, and LS3 (since that will requite HoT).
The most important lore is getting to know if there are other Sylvari and what happened to these infected by Mordrem after Modremoth’s death.
Theres more relevant lore/stories that needs to be done before we worry about some (now) minor side story from the original personal story.
What about the egg?
More info on the exalted (yes glint created them, made to protect the egg, but what do they do after it hatches/leaves?)
What is the pact going to do now? (both with the sylvari and as an organization)
Does phlunt finally get whats coming to him?
How long before Taimi rebuilds Scruffy?
Will Jenna reopen Crown Pavilion/Boss Blitz?
How will the other Norn (those still around hoelbrak) react to Eir’s demise?
Will Rytlock be able to finish the ritual to cleanse the ghosts (doubtful, since maps are kinda locked in time)?
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Well there was other stuff to be had instead of story, like the elite specs, gliding, legendaries, and LS3 (since that will requite HoT).
You didn’t even get all of the Legendaries, there’s no information about LS3 yet, and what if it’ll be about Sylvari again? We have no idea.
Theres more relevant lore/stories that needs to be done before we worry about some (now) minor side story from the original personal story.
What about the egg?
We’ll find out don’t worry… I cannot say the same about Malyck.
More info on the exalted (yes glint created them, made to protect the egg, but what do they do after it hatches/leaves?)
Have you even done achievements in Auric Basin?
What is the pact going to do now? (both with the sylvari and as an organization)
Duh, the next thing we’ll see in LS3, while I cannot say the same about Malyck
How long before Taimi rebuilds Scruffy?
Till next LS part 3, it’s so obvious.
Will Jenna reopen Crown Pavilion/Boss Blitz?
It’s not living story, but rather living world I’d say.
How will the other Norn (those still around hoelbrak) react to Eir’s demise?
And how about Trehearne’s death and reaction of Pale Tree to that? He was her gem actually. But hey! Let’s jump to Rata Novus without checking if Pale Tree is still alive! -.-
We need to know the rest about Sylvari, then we can move on. Otherwise we’ll leave big holes in lore and some players won’t like the story anymore, because they won’t like any character if it can go missing forever.
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eNeRgOo… why not write your own piece of fan-fic then? Maybe the story devs might see an idea or two they like, and it’ll promote a return of Malyck. The odds might not be that great, but who knows?
Creativity>Criticism
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eNeRgOo… why not write your own piece of fan-fic then? Maybe the story devs might see an idea or two they like, and it’ll promote a return of Malyck. The odds might not be that great, but who knows?
Creativity>Criticism
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Actually there are plenty of fan-fics about Malyck everywhere. Even on this forum. Some of them are pretty good!
Well, I don’t think I should make my own, then it’ll be “plenty+1” fan fics and it would actually change nothing.
I paid for HoT, because I also wanted to know more about Malyck and Sylvari, and actually expansion’s story was poor written about rushing towards the dragon with little stop around Golden City to give them the egg. Not talking about Game of Thrones episode that happened there and we lost some good heroes forever.
Not talking about questions this expansion gave us, and now if anet want to rush towards new expansion without explaining to us some things and giving us all legendaries, then I have no questions. Pure greed and scraping money off the players.
I hope though that they still care about players.
If it comes to Malyck, promotion is high enough among sylvari players and story fans.
Acutally I made this topic due to discussion that I had on Facebook with other people. So I am not the only one, but I am the one who made topic on forum
Actually, I hope they leave him where he is. (…)
I like the idea of keeping his story as an open question. Anet has done that with quite a few stories ever since GW1. It makes the story feel more “natural”. There are plenty of mysteries in the real world that we may never know the answer too. I like that kind of story telling better than everything having a beginning and end.
That’s just my opinion though.I hope they won’t! Think about it! Arenanet then would be like “thanks that you bought the HoT expansion incomplete, now here’s our huge middle finger and hey! buy our next expansion!”. Some people would gone mad in the same style like some of you went when they told they push Legendaries projects away for a while.
Actually – It wouldn’t be natural due the fact they had Malyck’s story around when creating HoT, and there’s still hidden area west from Dragon’s Stand or other little covered regions. So nope here, plus some of people don’t like such kind of
story (not)-telling
Except the expansion is complete. The expansion was not a “here’s a bunch of lore about sylvari” thing. It’s focus was Mordy. Mordy awakened, destroyed the pact, kidnapped the majority of DE, and then the remaining pact members had trust issues with the sylvari because they weren’t sure when or if they would turn. I could understand if HoT was sold as “we are going to fill all the story holes about sylvari” but it wasn’t.
As for the natural comment it was about how there are multiple(not just Malyck) open ended stories in the GW world. Take for example Lazarus the Dire. Players have been asking about this guy since gw1 and even now there is no promise that we are going to get a close to that story. the third raid wing MIGHT shed some light on this but there is no guarantee that the white mantle forces in there are working directly for Lazarus or if they are alone and trying to recreate the rituals of old to bring the mursaat back. The natural comment is about how the open ended stories in the GW world sort of mirror real world stories that we may never know the answer to. Look at Amelia Earhart. No one is exactly sure what happened to her, although there is a fair bit of speculation, and we may never know what happened to her. That’s what I mean by natural. There are some questions in GW they may never get answered.
Now if you don’t like that kind of story telling then that’s your opinion. Clearly the people at Anet like it because they’ve been doing it for years and it’s fair to guess that they will continue to do so.
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Malyck in LS3!
That’s what we want! And another Father/Mother Tree!
Then Rata Novus!
Malyck in LS3!
That’s what we want! And another Father/Mother Tree!
Then Rata Novus!
We? Are you talking in my name too? I hope not.
Sorry to put things like this, eNeRgOo, but aren’t you being a bit overjealous about your theme choice?
I understand you want to know what happened with Malyck, but pretending to speak in the name of many other players, attacking the themes that other people like and stubbornly dismissing very reasonable arguments to leave only yours as valid doesn’t seems the way to go, IMO.
I don’t ask of you to be less vocal about what you want. But I think we should be able to hear other opinions too.
I see the interest in continuing the story so it could show us where Malyck came or went… but there are also a lot of other stories that, IMO, deserve the same or even more love. And while Malyck was on the table for HoT (and then was suspended), there are things that also where put aside that strongly NEED urgent work, lore and story-wise: Things like Spec Elites, Gliding and a whole new Proffession wich at the moment barely have even a hint of a reason to be part of the story.
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that it makes every other class in the game boring to play.”
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This is not GW1. The amount of time spent developing the older races in a different game is irrelevant to the amount of story time spent on them in this one. Even so, all of the racial lore in GW2 deviates from what we knew in GW1 due to the passage of centuries and the evolution of those races’ cultures. The fact that the older races’ cultures have centuries, or even millennium, more history than do the Sylvari is a reason to spend more time developing and exploring that history than is spent on the Sylvari in my opinion. Not the reverse.
This is GW2 lore is still here and we know almost everything about other races, more or less, while we have tons of questions about Sylvari
We know very little about humans, who have thousands of years of history. The Sylvari came into being yesterday on a historical scale. There is little history to delve.
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We know very little about humans, who have thousands of years of history. The Sylvari came into being yesterday on a historical scale. There is little history to delve.
Yeah, but just to play devil’s advocate for one moment: humans are boring. 
So, let’s compromise and forget Sylvari and Humans, and turn to the true heroic race worthy of all our focus: Charr.
/threadfinished
~EW
We know very little about humans, who have thousands of years of history. The Sylvari came into being yesterday on a historical scale. There is little history to delve.
Yeah, but just to play devil’s advocate for one moment: humans are boring.
So, let’s compromise and forget Sylvari and Humans, and focus on the true heroic race worthy of all our focus: Charr.
/threadfinished
~EW
The best charr story involves charrbequed devil-kitty. Not that I would eat one, but my pet pig deserves the occasional warm meal. ; p
We know very little about humans, who have thousands of years of history. The Sylvari came into being yesterday on a historical scale. There is little history to delve.
Yeah, but just to play devil’s advocate for one moment: humans are boring.
So, let’s compromise and forget Sylvari and Humans, and turn to the true heroic race worthy of all our focus: Charr.
/threadfinished
~EW
Pah! This is Charr history!
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We know very little about humans, who have thousands of years of history. The Sylvari came into being yesterday on a historical scale. There is little history to delve.
Yeah, but just to play devil’s advocate for one moment: humans are boring.
So, let’s compromise and forget Sylvari and Humans, and turn to the true heroic race worthy of all our focus: Charr.
/threadfinished
~EW
Pah! This is Charr history!
Love it. I remember the first time I found that. I spent ages looking for her. When Eye of the North trailer came out and you found out she was alive I let out a little girly squeek.
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Thanks for opening this up for discussion. Malyck was indeed one of the plot lines I was hoping Anet to explore in HoT after all the cool foreshadowing of various plot lines in Maclaine Diemer and Lena Chappelle’s music. It would’ve been interesting if the theme that became known as “Rata Novus” would’ve played in Malyck’s Grove as I originally suspected due to its stylistic similarities with Jeremy Soule’s music for our beloved Grove, but if Diemer was capable of creating something so beautiful for a fallen asura city, I can’t wait to hear what musical goodness he and Chappelle will cook up for the other Grove should we ever get to explore it and/or learn its fate.
The fact that Malyck was intent on returning with an army to help us in our struggle against the Nightmare Court and dragons was about as big a plot hook as you could get. There’s no way the writers won’t resolve that plot thread at some point, even if it only means a throwaway line like “the Mordrem found another Grove in the jungle and burned it to the ground” although I believe Malyck’s involvement will be greater than that for various reasons.
Anet even made other players than those who had chosen that specific sylvari story path to realize Malyck’s importance when the Nightmare Harbinger book during Season 2’s “Hidden Arcana” mission went into detail about that particular plot and its ramifications. Considering that many of the books in that story instance ended up playing a role in later S2, HoT and raid developments (e.g. the channeled revenant legends were foreshadowed in the books’ subject matters if you take a closer look at them), it would be odd for the writers to bring up Malyck in one random book and leave it at that, especially because we now know from dev comments on Reddit that Malyck was originally planned to be included in HoT content before his and the Nightmare Court’s plot stuff was cut for time and pacing reasons.
The reason why Malyck’s story is important to sylvari lore as a whole is because it would answer a lot of questions about the origins of the Pale Trees and the reasons for sylvari’s immunity to dragon corruption as well as the nature of Dream and Nightmare. Why do the Pale Tree and her sylvari have connection to the Dream and Nightmare while Malyck (and presumably his people and Tree) don’t? Was Pale Tree sylvari’s immunity to dragon corruption the combination of a Forgotten purification ritual, their connection to the Dream, and the moral tenets provided by Ventari, or is there something else to this mystery? Did the Forgotten or someone else hide the seeds of the Trees in the cave where Ronan found them in? How are the Dream and Nightmare tied to the All, why are they both so opposed to the Elder Dragons albeit approaching the problem differently? Has Nightmare taken a darker influence from Mordremoth’s presence in the Dream (which would explain the radical dragon minion kind of mental altering Nightmare Courtiers undergo, as seen in the Personal Story and Twilight Arbor, while still choosing to defy the jungle dragon)? What influenced the look of Malyck (and presumably his people if they look like him with those weird antennae if they didn’t just use human corpses (potentially) as genetic templates?
The above are just some of the questions in need of answering, and we’ve only received the barest of hints to some of those so far. The reason we’re likely not seeing Malyck’s story unfold yet, however, is because once Anet decides to tackle that particular plot, they know they’ll also have to figure out how to tackle the Dream/Nightmare’s connection to certain sylvari and why Malyck’s Tree ended up wherever it did to bloom. This all ties into the overarching plot of the All and the dragons as well as Glint’s child.
Not only that, but the Nightmare Court’s (or its splinter factions’) reaction to the discovery of Malyck’s Tree would likewise have to be addressed. Thanks to the inclusion of Duchess Chrysanthea (who appears out of nowhere in Dragon’s Stand, has a unique model and Taimi’s voice actress, which implies a larger role in the future) and the Toxic Court being out there and Nightmare Tower remnants taken by the Consortium still being a thing, who knows what drama we’ll still witness from the Court before all is said and done.
At this point I don’t mind even if Anet rushed through the Court and Malyck story. Like some people have said over on Reddit, it’s better to deliver an average story and have some closure rather than postponing said story in an effort to improve it (which could take years if ever at all at this pace if said plot wasn’t just outright dropped, never to be resolved).
With that said, I’ve seen a few things in this thread I’d like to comment on:
Even Mordremoth wasn’t a dragon but big fat lizard hippie pokemon.
That “big fat lizard” we fight in the Dream is not really Mordremoth’s physical form but more of a mental avatar of his mind that he uses to get up close and personal with us.
The “true” Mordremoth is actually the shadowy visage we see when we enter the Dream in the cutscene and which we also see floating in the background during the final battle with the Mind’s avatar in the “arena”. That visage, along with several other clues from both “Hearts and Minds” story mission and Dragon’s Stand dialogues prove that the Mouth of Mordremoth is actually Mordremoth’s physical form. The Mouth may not look like a traditional western dragon, but it does share more than a few features with Eastern dragons if you look up depictions of, say, Chinese dragons.
And the new Tree! Is it going to be Pale? Is it going to be male?
Based on the biology of certain IRL trees, it would make more sense for the avatar of Malyck’s Tree (if it has a tangible one) to be “female”. It would also add to the symbolic view of the Trees being nurturing mothers to their children while Mordremoth was more of the aggressive father figure. Might be a stereotypic view, but tropes aren’t bad.
The mordrem Canach talks to seems to suggest that mordrem behave in a mordrem manner because they actively being compelled by the jungle dragon. So what of the mordrem now without the jungle dragon?
This is one of the plots I hope the writers will tackle at some point. That moment in “Buried Insight” proved that the Mordrem Guard weren’t corrupted per se; they remained aware of their horrific actions but were unable to stop themselves because the dragon’s call was simply too strong for their minds to resist for long. Basically Mordremoth cheated and found a way to bypass the sylvari’s immunity to dragon corruption by hacking their connection to the Dream/Nightmare and using Wyld/Dark Hunts to impose his will on them and making them believe those were their own thoughts, basically.
With Mordremoth now gone, what will happen to the Mordrem Guard, indeed? I’d imagine that most would return to normal, horrified at what they’ve done. A future plot (if they continue the sylvari racism storyline) could involve a mob hunting for these “traitors” if they ever showed their face in Tyria again, and the sylvari having to decide whether to grant asylum for their fallen brothers and sisters or joining the pitchfork crowd. This would also be a good time to bring Malyck in to provide these redeemed Mordrem Guards a safe haven although I find this unlikely to happen when Anet has so many other plots they’re going to handle in Season 3.
In Zhaitan’s case his remaining champions like Tequatl began taking over after his death and continuing their dragon master’s mission. Does this mean that the remaining undefeated Mordrem Guard champions like Cellona in Auric Basin would not return to “normal” and instead decide to continue Mordremoth’s mission, especially if the same magical power boost from Mordy’s death that affected Glint’s child and some of the raid bosses could’ve also affected these champions as well and make them more dangerous than ever? Glint’s child shouldn’t be the only pretender to Mordy’s throne, so he or she should have some competition from Mordy’s most dangerous champions if Anet play their cards right with this storyline. I would imagine at least some Mordrem Guards to have gone crazy and continue terrorizing people, refusing redemption at this point now that they’ve seen the intended “destiny” of the sylvari race as the dragon’s servants.
@eNeRgOo: Regardless of how stronk Malyck was, most Sylvari were shielded from the dragon by the dream (which Malyck wasn’t connected to). At most I’d have expected a fairly apologetic mordrem trying to kill you if you encountered him during the story arc.
Ironically it appears that all the affected sylvari who became Mordrem Guard in HoT were actually Dreamers and Nightmare Courtiers because Mordy used, as I said above, a loophole in his connection to the Dream/Nightmare to implant his own “version” of Wyld/Dark Hunt on them to manipulate them to work for him. This likely wouldn’t have worked for the Soundless as easily who actively block their connection to the Dream via meditation. Malyck’s people lack to the Dream but there’s reason to believe that there may be other forces at work for the sylvari’s dragon corruption immunity than just the Dream (namely, a potential Forgotten purification ritual on the Pale Tree seeds in the cave although we won’t know for sure until we discover Malyck’s Tree and learn its history).
This even started when they completely murdered the founder of the nightmare court within the story mode of Twilight Arbor. Both Cadeyrn and Faolain had cheap deaths. They deserved better.
I agree. I was bummed by what happened to those two, especially Faolain who could’ve played a very interesting role in the HoT story as an “enemy mine” situation where we’re forced to work with her to track down Caithe as she would’ve known how Caithe thinks better than anyone else. I can only imagine how our discovery of Malyck’s Grove could’ve had an impact on Faolain too and how Malyck wanting her dead and us trying to convince him that this time around we need Nightmare Court’s help to win the war against Mordy could’ve led to a lot of nice drama for our characters, especially if they kept the fact that Faolain helped cause Eir’s death, which would’ve wanted Braham to kill her and us forcing to keep our norn friend in line for the “greater good”.
In Anet’s defense about Cadeyrn, though, the Season 2 flashbacks helped establish (or retcon, depending on how one looks at things) that Cadeyrn ultimately wasn’t quite as important to the Court as we were initially led to believe, so his unfortunate end at Twilight Arbor at least was “justified” in a roundabout way. He got Faolain’s support for the ideas he expressed in their secret meetings as we learn in “The Newly Awakened” story instance, and it appears that Faolain used him as a patsy to an extent, which also explains why Cadeyrn was so willing to hand over the reins to Faolain after Faolain joined the Court full-time.
As for Caithe and the egg. I knew the writers were writing themselves into a corner for that one. That made little to no sense whatsoever. It still doesn’t after playing through HoT. Why? Well because it was Caithe’s “New Wild Hunt” that even the Pale Tree had no clue about it. Like I said shoddy writing. We don’t tell Arena Net to make this stuff up. They do it all by themselves.
Had Caithe’s new “Wyld Hunt” about the egg, which the Pale Tree never acknowledged, been Mordremoth’s manipulations all along, it would’ve made the perfect sense to me. As we know from the Mordrem Guard who were never corrupted but manipulated via their connection to Wyld/Dark Hunts, Mordremoth was pretty good at implanting his thoughts into his victims and in Caithe’s case he could’ve used a more subtle tactic to get the egg closer to him instead of letting it fall into the hands of the Pact Commander. Caithe would believe these thoughts to be hers and that it was her new mission from the Dream, unaware of the ugly truth and Mordremoth using her as a pawn. This would help explain why she didn’t ask for help from the Commander, especially if said Commander was a sylvari who she shared the previous Wyld Hunt with, and give us some context for her behaviour during Seasons 1 and 2 which had nearly negated her character development from the dungeon story modes she had been involved in. Maybe Anet will address this issue and play on Caithe’s guilt for withholding the truth from Trahearne which led to the sylvari mass betrayal and the fleet crash once Season 3 rolls in, but we’ll see.
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After killing Scarlet you get cutscene and trailer of what she managed to do, that’s first. In Dry Top story you get to know why she went mad – She got into Ley-Line machine, got to know how world works and either ended as Mordremoth’s Intelligent marionette, which is unlikely, because dragon was asleep then and she just woke him up.
We actually know for a fact, as stated in out of game lore (interviews, short story), game and provided via clues during Season 1, that Scarlet was being influenced by Mordremoth. The only thing that remains somewhat unclear, due to conflicting sources (mainly some of the diaries/holo recordings), is whether Mordy had already targeted her before she entered Omadd’s machine which then opened her mind to his influence fully, or if the first contact actually happened in the machine. A few people on lore forums like Konig have tried to piece all the information together, but it hasn’t exactly been easy or consistent because there are a few inconsistencies here and there regarding the messy timeline of events in Scarlet’s life.
One of the moments in S1 when we had definite proof of Mordremoth’s involvement with Scarlet (although we only know it now thanks to knowledge provided by S2 and HoT) was during the Tower of Nightmares release where the titular track for the Tower contained both Scarlet’s and Mordremoth’s music themes while another hint was the physically altered state of the Toxic Alliance. With new knowledge we’ve gained from HoT regarding Blighting Trees as well as the hints we learned in Tower of Nightmares story, it appears that the Tower may have been a juvenile sister of Malyck’s Tree and the Pale Tree, twisted and grown by the Toxic Alliance to become “evil”, which would explain its sinister look. This would then mean that the Toxic Hybrid, which devs claimed was an altered krait in an old lore interview, may have instead been a Trahearne of his Tree, a kind of attempt at creating a Mordrem from a slain krait’s genetic template (similar to how the production of Mordrem, Mordrem Guard Commanders and the Logan/Zojja Mordrem clones operate in Magus Falls maps); the hybrid is even born from a pod which somewhat resembles Mordrem birthing pods in looks.
One thing we can say about this, however, is that Scarlet may have been switching between “obey Mordremoth” and “resist Mordremoth by devising a plan to set him and Pale Tree on a collision course” phases until she finally succumbed to the dragon’s siren song by the time of the Twisted Marionette release when her voice turned far more sinister and which devs stated at the time was meant to be “significant”. We also know from the previous S1 ending datamined by that_shaman and others that in the now scrapped S1 finale Scarlet was going to namedrop Mordremoth before dying while she made her “Soon Tyria will bow to a new master” speech, which also helps explain our characters suddenly knowing Mordy’s name in S2 (although this was later “retconned” into our character having learned this information from the Priory off screen).
I think the whole Malyck thing is going to happen, but not in the way you hope it will turn out. If they follow the pattern they have been doing lately then it might turn out that we already have unknowingly came across that “other pale tree” during HoT. Malyck will either be found dead. Or barley alive enough to tell you what happened. The writers then try to convey that your pale tree is unique now as it’s the only one left standing.
I find this outcome unlikely because devs did point out on Reddit that Malyck’s story was scrapped in early development, which means that none of the locations we’ve visited in Magus Falls could’ve had his Tree even though some players speculated Morwood Wilds in Auric Basin to have been a potential location for his Grove. We also know that there are multiple Tree seeds out there as with the information we now have, there’s a very likely chance that both the Tower of Nightmares and the Blighting Trees were of the same species as the Pale Tree. What this means for the seeds in the cave Ronan found remains unknown, though, and I would honestly be surprised if we ever got to meet another good or neutral Pale Tree out there in the world aside from Malyck’s Tree, so the rest of the seeds may just as well become a dropped plot point for now.
Maps in Maguuma are not even fully showed out. I once broke out of Dragon Stand, because I glide into wrong cave and jumped couple stones too much and there was area that for me it looked like it’s waiting for its grand opening and maybe there… there’s a little hope…
Back during the expansion’s launch, areas known as Deserted Coast and Thorn Hollow were listed in the Dragon’s Stand Explorer achievement, and a dev later posted on Reddit about them. My guess is that during S3 both of those areas will be opened up in Dragon’s Stand and we get to explore them.
What’s interesting to me about these locations is whether they might be related to Malyck’s story. After all, we learned this piece of interesting information during the mission A Different Dream in Amaranda’s vision about Malyck:
Amaranda the Lonesome: A distant shore—and darkness. A root, a cave…you. You are the seed. What Ronan knew and never told still lingers in the Dream.
Could this be the distant shore Amaranda was talking about by any chance, with ‘darkness’ being a reference to Mordremoth’s presence in the area? Granted, it doesn’t exactly match the areas the river that delivered Malyck’s pod to Caledon Forest ran through, but who knows what secrets Thorn Hollow and Deserted Coast might have in store for us. Just imagine if we discovered the shore (on Deserted Coast) and the cave (in Thorn Hollow) where Ronan had found the seeds in and that Mordremoth had originally gone asleep near it during the last dragonrise?
4th. Status of the Nightmare Court now that Faolain is dead and they apparently aided us in bringing down Modremoth. (There was a SINGLE Nightmare Courtier at the final battle in Dragon’s Stand. We need more of an explanation for what happened. Are the Nightmare Court allies now?)
Since Faolain’s departure from Twilight Arbor, Nightmare Court appears to have pretty much split into multiple splinter factions, each with their own leader and different ideologies. We saw the competing Count and Countesses in TA explorable, the Toxic Baron and Baroness during Tower of Nightmares release, and now Duchess Chrysanthea in Dragon’s Stand who appears to have outranked them all in the original Court based on her title.
One story beat HoT missed was not explaining what Faolain had been doing during those 2-3 years she’d been in exile after the PC drove her out of TA and how/why she ended up in Verdant Brink to be captured to begin with. Had she been spying on Caithe from the shadows, waiting for her opportunity? Did she even care what the rest of the Court was doing in the meantime? She certainly didn’t regain control over the Court or otherwise we’d never have seen the rise of the splinter factions because she would’ve squashed them for trying to take her place as head honcho. I hope that we’ll either get some in-game reference to Faolain’s story during those “missing” years or a lore Q&A like the Dolyak Express of old to get an answer.
As far as Chrysanthea goes, I’d say she simply represents one notable splinter faction but not the Court as a whole unless Anet decides to go with the idea that since Season 1, Chrysanthea picked up the pieces and united the Court again under her leadership (with the exception of the Toxic Courtiers who were beyond saving and who are still unaccounted for after they fled in the aftermath of the Battle for Lion’s Arch).
Based on the biology of certain IRL trees, it would make more sense for the avatar of Malyck’s Tree (if it has a tangible one) to be “female”. It would also add to the symbolic view of the Trees being nurturing mothers to their children while Mordremoth was more of the aggressive father figure. Might be a stereotypic view, but tropes aren’t bad.
Of course it’d be symbolic!
I have just to point out that in botany, male trees can also give fruits as long as there’s female trees pollen, and vice versa. Actually sometimes you don’t even need a pollen for that – Parhenocarpy process, which explains why Pale Tree gives birth to all the Sylvari without presence of Male Tree
Plants are not animals, both of the genders here are kind of equal, and sometimes it’s a man who gets fertilized by female, so completely different world than ours
That’s why I said it could be Male Tree.
Symbolism of female Trees could be great, but I am more into male theory. Would be weird to see another female avatar, time for something new
As for me Mordremoth is more like a creator (bad God) of Sylvari Trees. Trees were being made to create Sylvaris and them to rule the world.
But at least two of them are good, or one is good (Pale Tree) and second is neutral and caring about itself (Malyck’s Tree). It would explain why Malyck and his Tree survived, because they rallied all their forces to defend their Grove and when it was close to Mordrem to overtake it, the dragon died and Mordrems got their consciousness back.
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Based on the biology of certain IRL trees, it would make more sense for the avatar of Malyck’s Tree (if it has a tangible one) to be “female”. It would also add to the symbolic view of the Trees being nurturing mothers to their children while Mordremoth was more of the aggressive father figure. Might be a stereotypic view, but tropes aren’t bad.
Of course it’d be symbolic!
I have just to point out that in botany, male trees can also give fruits as long as there’s female trees pollen, and vice versa. Actually sometimes you don’t even need a pollen for that – Parhenocarpy process, which explains why Pale Tree gives birth to all the Sylvari without presence of Male TreePlants are not animals, both of the genders here are kind of equal, and sometimes it’s a man who gets fertilized by female, so completely different world than ours
That’s why I said it could be Male Tree.
Symbolism of female Trees could be great, but I am more into male theory. Would be weird to see another female avatar, time for something new
As for me Mordremoth is more like a creator (bad God) of Sylvari Trees. Trees were being made to create Sylvaris and them to rule the world.
But at least two of them are good, or one is good (Pale Tree) and second is neutral and caring about itself (Malyck’s Tree). It would explain why Malyck and his Tree survived, because they rallied all their forces to defend their Grove and when it was close to Mordrem to overtake it, the dragon died and Mordrems got their consciousness back.
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about what happened. Sometimes headcanon is the best kind. I have a feeling your not going to be happy with what ever ANet will do with this thread, as you seem to have built it up alot in your own mind.
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Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about what happened. Sometimes headcanon is the best kind. I have a feeling your not going to be happy with what ever ANet will do with this thread, as you seem to have built it up alot in your own mind.
That’s why people like you will never understand the real fans of stories in GW2 series. I bet you’re the kind who cried a lot in Legendaries thread like ‘oh arenanet burn, my character iz nat gona bi xmas tree, no, burn burn burn, kitten kitten, evil’.
It’s just pure theory, I will be happy if I see Malyck again. Even if he’s dead and his tree as well – but that would mean that Arenanet likes to show middle fingers towards some players and are lazy with creating interesting lore, the lore they had on their tables, but decided to burn it or throw it into trash container. It’s been all the years since launch. You wouldn’t be happy as well if the content you like would be postponed that long.
But people like you seems to have lack of empathy. You will know our pain when you will experience similar thing.
As I said – You’re just the one who annoys others and cares about his own goods.
You must understand that every player has it’s own beloved content and will defend it. You now may say that I am hypocrite now, but I am not – I care about Rata Novus lore and Raids lore as well, because they are around now, and are interesting. I just hate dropping interesting things away especially if they were almost to be finished. Moreover! It’s even more frustrating that HoT gave us more questions than ever and lots of players don’t care about that and want to rush into new lore, because ‘omg sylvari is too long’. Shame on you that you cannot see a bigger problem here. Situation like this can be repeated in next story. Then some of you will start to cry and moan here, and there will be again a group of players that will want to rush to next lore, while hating everybody who doesn’t. Then some of them are going to cry because next lore will be missing something and there will be again the second group that will want to rush more. On and on and on. It’s pure nature of some people. That makes me just sad, because I am always supporting everybody, but if it comes to me then nah. How toxic GW2 community is now, I cannot even imagine!
I am not even mentioning that you’re the one who joins the discussion without reading the previous comments and you make pure chaos, by asking questions already answered or giving theories already given. It’s not how you work on forum, my friend.
Don’t forget: Anyone, living or dead can be plugged into a blighting tree.
The only question I have about Sylvari is “When will the story stop focusing on the stupid cabbage elves?”
Also – there’s more to lore than “Knowing/Learning about them”. There’s also “Watching them kick kitten and take names and run over dragons while killing gods with HEAVY METAL TANKS!”
Why did you buy HoT anyway? It’s supposed to be about Sylvaris and seems like you don’t like them. So why anyway?
The most important lore is getting to know if there are other Sylvari and what happened to these infected by Mordrem after Modremoth’s death.
Don’t Forget: Anyone, living or dead can be plugged into a Blighting Tree. All other races could be affected…. Which raises questions about that too. You don’t see any Charr Mordrem…
The only question I have about Sylvari is “When will the story stop focusing on the stupid cabbage elves?”
Also – there’s more to lore than “Knowing/Learning about them”. There’s also “Watching them kick kitten and take names and run over dragons while killing gods with HEAVY METAL TANKS!”
Why did you buy HoT anyway? It’s supposed to be about Sylvaris and seems like you don’t like them. So why anyway?
The most important lore is getting to know if there are other Sylvari and what happened to these infected by Mordrem after Modremoth’s death.
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Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about what happened. Sometimes headcanon is the best kind. I have a feeling your not going to be happy with what ever ANet will do with this thread, as you seem to have built it up alot in your own mind.
That’s why people like you will never understand the real fans of stories in GW2 series. I bet you’re the kind who cried a lot in Legendaries thread like ‘oh arenanet burn, my character iz nat gona bi xmas tree, no, burn burn burn, kitten kitten, evil’.
It’s just pure theory, I will be happy if I see Malyck again. Even if he’s dead and his tree as well – but that would mean that Arenanet likes to show middle fingers towards some players and are lazy with creating interesting lore, the lore they had on their tables, but decided to burn it or throw it into trash container. It’s been all the years since launch. You wouldn’t be happy as well if the content you like would be postponed that long.
But people like you seems to have lack of empathy. You will know our pain when you will experience similar thing.As I said – You’re just the one who annoys others and cares about his own goods.
You must understand that every player has it’s own beloved content and will defend it. You now may say that I am hypocrite now, but I am not – I care about Rata Novus lore and Raids lore as well, because they are around now, and are interesting. I just hate dropping interesting things away especially if they were almost to be finished. Moreover! It’s even more frustrating that HoT gave us more questions than ever and lots of players don’t care about that and want to rush into new lore, because ‘omg sylvari is too long’. Shame on you that you cannot see a bigger problem here. Situation like this can be repeated in next story. Then some of you will start to cry and moan here, and there will be again a group of players that will want to rush to next lore, while hating everybody who doesn’t. Then some of them are going to cry because next lore will be missing something and there will be again the second group that will want to rush more. On and on and on. It’s pure nature of some people. That makes me just sad, because I am always supporting everybody, but if it comes to me then nah. How toxic GW2 community is now, I cannot even imagine!I am not even mentioning that you’re the one who joins the discussion without reading the previous comments and you make pure chaos, by asking questions already answered or giving theories already given. It’s not how you work on forum, my friend.
I couldn’t care less about legendary weapons. I love the story’s in guild wars/guild wars 2. You miss understood what I was saying. You seem very passionate about this part of the story, so much so I don’t think anything ANet come up with will live up to what you want and hope for. But then what do I know right? I’m not a real fan, not like I’ve been playing The Guild Wars games since the first Beta, where I was blown away by the game. So much so, that I preordered it from America so I could get the game as I could not find it in the UK at the time. Ten years + on I’m still here. But I’m not a fan right?
The content I like has been left since launch, I wanted to see what happened to the sword Eir was going to have made for Logan, is minister Cauticus really behind the bandits. What’s the deal with Anice. Is she Livia from Guild Wars. Yeah your right. It’s not like ANet have covered anything I want answered.
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I swear to God any expansion that focusses on the Asura will be an expansion I shall avoid like the plague! It’s bad enough that Taimi exists in all her stunted patheticness, but if I have to put up with more of the wee rainbow munching potogold seeking bar stewards I will lose my kitten. The Asuran race needs to be collectively rammed into the SAB where they can be enjoyed as punching bags in place of that poor shop keeper’s cart.
Taimi is awesome and the best NPC guildwars 2 has ever created since release, if it wasn’t for seeing her in Hot expac i wouldn’t have even bothered purchasing Living Story 2..
What the hell is wrong with you to dislike such an awesome npc :o
I threw up a little reading this. I despise the superfriends, and that little bundle of bad tropes Tiami most of all. I walked out of the LS because of the horrific writing. Glad I missed them callously backhanding Eir out of the game.
Living Story 2 has been the best Guildwars 2 stories they’ve done in my opinion and i’m not one to blow smoke up anets butt, but the stories were far superior to Tyria and Living Story 1 imo.
I agree Braham and Rox are like 1 dimensional though. I don’t mind meade and her girlfriend but taimi made that story for me.
By the way i’d be happy if destinies edge went into the mists and never returned especially that Rytlock…. I was really happy when that abusive charr disappeared into the mists tbh..
Less so when he returned…
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I swear to God any expansion that focusses on the Asura will be an expansion I shall avoid like the plague! It’s bad enough that Taimi exists in all her stunted patheticness, but if I have to put up with more of the wee rainbow munching potogold seeking bar stewards I will lose my kitten. The Asuran race needs to be collectively rammed into the SAB where they can be enjoyed as punching bags in place of that poor shop keeper’s cart.
Taimi is awesome and the best NPC guildwars 2 has ever created since release, if it wasn’t for seeing her in Hot expac i wouldn’t have even bothered purchasing Living Story 2..
What the hell is wrong with you to dislike such an awesome npc :o
I threw up a little reading this. I despise the superfriends, and that little bundle of bad tropes Tiami most of all. I walked out of the LS because of the horrific writing. Glad I missed them callously backhanding Eir out of the game.
Living Story 2 has been the best Guildwars 2 stories they’ve done in my opinion and i’m not one to blow smoke up anets butt, but the stories were far superior to Tyria and Living Story 1 imo.
I agree Braham and Rox are like 1 dimensional though. I don’t mind meade and her girlfriend but taimi made that story for me.
By the way i’d be happy if destinies edge went into the mists and never returned especially that Rytlock…. I was really happy when that abusive charr disappeared into the mists tbh..
Less so when he returned…
I was not a fan of Tini, then Novis. She really grew, and by the end of it I liked her.
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