Guild Wars 2

Oh noes! You cannot! I spent 120 gold for my T3! Insults! Foaming! Mur-

Oh wait, I really don’t care. Actually I wouldn’t mind seeing other cultural armors with tweaks and effects on other races because the gemstore versions look different.

But I do think it’s a tad lazy…

How quaint that they still haven’t responded to a forum post coming up on 500 mostly angry responses with a corresponding reddit thread with coming up on 500 mostly angry responses. Customer service at its finest.

This is appalling.
I don’t have any full cultural sets and this still feels like a slap to the face.
Why you ask? Because it’s insulting to the players. Both this and the fractals getting reset to 30 is a pure insult to everyone who has spent their time working on them so far.

For some 150g for a cultural armour might not be much – there are people making more per day. To some however this is an end game goal. This is the most elite armour set in the game. This is the legendary of armours. This is the reason people have picked a certain race. And Anet disregarded all that – they just waved away everyone’s time, effort and choices.

They made an end game race exclusive armour set a gemstore item in a game where the endgame is about skins – that by itself show that they either dropped everything they said the game was going to be (not the first thing either) or they just don’t care and they want to get as much money as they can before the game dies down. Because it is slowly dying and the things that have happened lately only accelerate this process. True the main goal is always money but you should really never make your player’s time and effort meaningless in such an inconsiderate way. No official response sadly makes me think it’s the second one.

Sunshine.4680:

That kind of sucks for anyone who spent like 100g buying the entire T3 set.

Full t3 set is closer to 120. Then you have to factor in transmute crystals and the set of armor to make them useful. So it’ll cost more than 150g with todays gem prices.

And then even more when they finally add in ascended armor because those sets are god awful to look at (if the sets that were data mined weeks ago are the ascended armor).

Mesket.5728:

Who are you to separate people into 2 biased groups that would fit your personal opinion?

“emotionals” and “logic driven”, could you be more obvious please? Why not players who don’t like the new patch, and people who doesn’t care about this game?

If you like the change, then you are with the people who like it, period. Not with “logic driven” users… I heard about people being entitled but man you have a record now.

In my opinion, you’re wrong. And I’m not classifying anything to make myself feel ‘entitled’ as you suggest, I’m just pointing out that the two groups of people arguing here are coming from very different frames of mind, in general, and that’s been a problem for both sides hearing one another.

We are not talking about the patch here, we are talking about one very specific part of the patch. And I am not saying everyone who likes the T3 armor is logical, everyone who doesn’t is emotional. What I’m saying is that the arguments against have been primarily emotional and many responses to those arguments have been disregarding that emotion as an invalid part of the argument.

You have an awful lot of hostility toward me. I clearly stated that I’m not arguing that the emotional arguments are wrong. But they ARE emotional arguments. There is no real foundation to an argument that says “This armor addition was objectively wrong because it makes me feel cheated.” The reality is no one was cheated. The armor looks similar but it’s not the same. No ‘prestige’ was lost, if it ever existed, because it’s still clear which of these is the human cultural and which is the gem store armor. This is a logical argument.

All I’m saying is that the people who are arguing that point are not taking into account that it doesn’t matter at all whether its a sound argument or not from an objective point of view. The point is that people do feel cheated and that feeling is real.

There is a lot of posts that gave many good reasons why the “new” armors are a bad idea and are not written in an emotional way.

You claim that several posters have laid out why the T3 gem store armor is objectively wrong. I don’t see those posts, and I’ve been following the thread since they started merging them last night. Nor do I see any indication from the tone in your post that you’re one of those people.

Your response really comes across to me like you read part of my post, thought that I was making a point that was not at all the point I was actually making, became outraged at how high-and-mighty I was, and lashed out.

Bornthisway.4609:

How quaint that they still haven’t responded to a forum post coming up on 500 mostly angry responses with a corresponding reddit thread with coming up on 500 mostly angry responses. Customer service at its finest.

they will merge it, say they listen and release a new glowy particle fx armor for the kids to be happy.

Well I kinda want access to the norn heavy armors for my human. Maybe that can happen now? Part of picking a race for me was the cultural armors. Now we don’t have to worry.

Facepunch.5710:

“This armor addition was objectively wrong because it makes me feel cheated.” The reality is no one was cheated. The armor looks similar but it’s not the same. No ‘prestige’ was lost, if it ever existed, because it’s still clear which of these is the human cultural and which is the gem store armor. This is a logical argument.

I would be 100% agree with you if this was World of Warcraft. But its not.

This game is based on skins, nothing else. For a game like this, you argument is as logical as Data from star trek can be logical, failing to see the true meaning of some things, even as stupid as virtual costumes.

haviz.1340:

Glenstorm.4059:

This unfairness is why people are angry.

What unfairness? You have not lost anything.

Human scholars, and only human scholars, have lost their T3 cultural armor exclusivity. This is unfair. Exclusivity is the whole point of cultural armor.

Expecting other cultural sets for the future armors now.

I usually try to be a more positive tone, but really personally I think Anet really dropped the ball on this one. How I think should have been handled.

First, I don’t think particle-added reskins belong on the gem store in the first place. There have been some very succesful reskins like that in the past (cobalt anyone?) but they’ve been world drops, not gem store items. That said, adding previous race unique items might be justified, as there’s extra work done to them to make them work with other races, but it needed to be done differently.

First, let people know beforehand. Just a line or two on the looking ahead blog post saying that you’re looking into ways to make cultural armor available to other races would have been enough, for example, but let people know so you don’t have cases where people spend over a hundred gold in an item that they though was exclusive and then out of the blue release an (arguably) improved version for half the price and available to everyone (I say arguably because personally I don’t like the flames, but other people do).

Second, if one of the skins you release are cultural, ALL should be cultural, and I’d even go as far as saying that they should be from different races as well (maybe using Norn’s for medium, Charr’s for heavy and so on), not one T3 and two low level karma reskins and make it clear whether you plan on releasing more cultural armors like this on the gem store, and whether the availability is temporary or not.

Sadly, the cat is already out of the bag, and it won’t go back in. Right now there are several dissatisfied costumers because of the way it was handled, and really no way I can see to really please everyone. Taking the skin away and reimbursing whoever bought it wouldn’t be fair to those that purchased it already (just last night I saw 4 people wearing it), whether they were aware of the controversy or just saw a cool skin and bought it.

My advice on how to handle it from now on… first, comunication is the key. Tell us clearly whether it’s a one time deal or whether we can expect more cultural armor released like this on the future. Second, as a good will token, offer whoever purchased the human T3 cultural armor (I’d say within 3 or 4 months, ideally just whoever purchased it in the past) the chance to upgrade them to the look of this version for free (or a small price), kinda like it was done with the guild kite, but much cheaper.

And a last note… if you do intend to release more cultural armors like these… can you do asura medium next?… my charr engineer wants those google helmet.. and please, make sure the armor sets you release work well with charr tails (or give us the option to hide them)

Can you get the ncsoft support to make gold refunds on human scholars?

Mesket.5728:

I would be 100% agree with you if this was World of Warcraft. But its not.

This game is based on skins, nothing else. For a game like this, you argument is as logical as Data from star trek can be logical, failing to see the true meaning of some things, even as stupid as virtual costumes.

I do see the point of this argument, but others have made it and it doesn’t really work in my view. Cultural armor has always been available via cash shop, because the only thing you need for it is gold, which can be converted after purchasing gems. So nothing has changed there except the number of gems needed.

If we were talking about dungeon armor, which can only be acquired by completing challenging content in the game, then I would be on board with the argument. But there is a huge difference between selling cultural armor and selling Arah armor in the gem store.

Glenstorm.4059:

Human scholars, and only human scholars, have lost their T3 cultural armor exclusivity. This is unfair. Exclusivity is the whole point of cultural armor.

I have light t3 armour for over a year and I believe I have not lost anything. In fact, I eagerly await for norn and sylvari reskins.

haviz.1340:

Glenstorm.4059:

Human scholars, and only human scholars, have lost their T3 cultural armor exclusivity. This is unfair. Exclusivity is the whole point of cultural armor.

I have light t3 armour for over a year and I believe I have not lost anything. In fact, I eagerly await for norn and sylvari reskins.

You being okay with it doesn’t mean it’s equitable. Human clothies have still lost exclusivity for one of their cultural skins.

If they’re planning on releasing reskins of other racial cultural armors, I’d be okay with it. I’d still think it cheap and lazy of them, but it’d be equitable.

Lynie.6437:

Can you get the ncsoft support to make gold refunds on human scholars?

IIRC yesterday someone posted about how he opened a ticket about this and got denied. Still I think anyone that feels affected should open a ticket, even if it’s just to show how many people aren’t happy about this.

Lynie.6437:

Can you get the ncsoft support to make gold refunds on the t3 sets?

I really do think it would be the most fair. You would have to lose the armor set though of course, otherwise you would have it for free (which isn’t fair) and I’m not sure how they would do that without people losing their armor completely.

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %. In addition to race specific it is also cost prohibitive, so you know that joe-shmo that can’t make money in GW2 won’t be able to get it, cutting down the potential character pool with that armor even more. Now that it’s on gem store (and an arguably cooler version) for any race and any person with $10.00, it completely devalues their investment.

You just can’t do that.

This is completely different from the FoTM issue. Skins are visible to everyone and are widely considered the core of GW2. Your FoTM personal reward level is not, not even close.

The decision does strike me as odd. First, why reskin two common armors for heavy and medium, and then reskin human tier 3 for light? That’s really unbalanced—doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Second, how could they not forsee how bad this decision would be on their PR? Did some inexperienced lump decide to add this in while everyone else was drunk?
If they make the other t-3 racial armors universal, that would create more problems then it fixes. I never liked human T-3 (and I don’t look forward to seeing norn and sylvari running around in those stupid flouncy bras and butt-skirts anyway—yuck!), but I can see how it’s a big problem.
At any rate, what concerns me the most isn’t the reskins themselves, it’s what the reskins signify about arenanet—that they’re getting lazier and that they didn’t forsee how badly this would go over with the players.

Facepunch.5710:

Mesket.5728:

I would be 100% agree with you if this was World of Warcraft. But its not.

This game is based on skins, nothing else. For a game like this, you argument is as logical as Data from star trek can be logical, failing to see the true meaning of some things, even as stupid as virtual costumes.

I do see the point of this argument, but others have made it and it doesn’t really work in my view. Cultural armor has always been available via cash shop, because the only thing you need for it is gold, which can be converted after purchasing gems. So nothing has changed there except the number of gems needed.

If we were talking about dungeon armor, which can only be acquired by completing challenging content in the game, then I would be on board with the argument. But there is a huge difference between selling cultural armor and selling Arah armor in the gem store.

You can buy Arah armor cheaper than a cultural armor.

Press “Y” – look for the selling parties = profit.

There are flaws where ever you look and that is why customers and getting emotional easier with each new patch.

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

Facepunch.5710:

Mesket.5728:

I would be 100% agree with you if this was World of Warcraft. But its not.

This game is based on skins, nothing else. For a game like this, you argument is as logical as Data from star trek can be logical, failing to see the true meaning of some things, even as stupid as virtual costumes.

I do see the point of this argument, but others have made it and it doesn’t really work in my view. Cultural armor has always been available via cash shop, because the only thing you need for it is gold, which can be converted after purchasing gems. So nothing has changed there except the number of gems needed.

If we were talking about dungeon armor, which can only be acquired by completing challenging content in the game, then I would be on board with the argument. But there is a huge difference between selling cultural armor and selling Arah armor in the gem store.

That is not a valid point because everything in the game is available via the cash shop – legendaries, dungeon armours, cultural armours, every weapon skin and dye ever. You just need a ton of money for them.
And don’t pretend you don’t notice dungeon runs for gold because that has been a ting fro a while now and the ones that don’t have runs take 10-15 minutes of very casual random party to finish them. Arah armour in this case is the worst example ever since you can get 60 arah tokens for 1.5 gold at most, which is laughable compared to the cost of the cultural armour.

Weindrasi.3805:

The decision does strike me as odd. First, why reskin two common armors for heavy and medium, and then reskin human tier 3 for light? That’s really unbalanced—doesn’t make a lot of sense.

This is definitely what confuses me the most. Aside from the Medium armor being WvW only. The Heavy is literally just karma armor. The consistency is very strange.

They might have to put out an armor set every month. But seems like they should of just skipped a month and worked on actual new designs rather then reskinning in the long run. Could of avoided this debacle and probably make more money in the long run because all the skins would be on equal footing. Rather then right now that in actual design vs. price comparison, the heavy armor doesn’t even come close to the light.

Just feels rushed. This isn’t helping the whole “2 weeks is not enough time to make decent content” situation at all.

Facepunch.5710:

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

I made a human guardian even tho I like the norn heavy armors. It was my choice but now that human t3 can be bought for super cheap, I want the norn armors because they look good.

Mesket.5728:

You can buy Arah armor cheaper than a cultural armor.

Press “Y” – look for the selling parties = profit.

There are flaws where ever you look and that is why customers and getting emotional easier with each new patch.

Yes, but it’s not ANet carrying people in these dungeon runs, it’s players twisting the system, so any argument about what this means for the direction in which ANet is/has taken horizontal progression doesn’t hold up.

anyone from arena net gona comment on this forum about this or what ? cuz we keep asking them they doging it and i get frakted points they keep deliting my poust for this sorry for bad english.

Sunshine.4680:

Facepunch.5710:

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

I made a human guardian even tho I like the norn heavy armors. It was my choice but now that human t3 can be bought for super cheap, I want the norn armors because they look good.

I agree with you. I would love to see several of the other races’ cultural sets on my human, and I hope that becomes a possibility in the future.

You want the look you like because you like it, you didn’t say a word about how common the set is, only that you like it so you want it. We’re in agreement.

Facepunch.5710:

Sunshine.4680:

Facepunch.5710:

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

I made a human guardian even tho I like the norn heavy armors. It was my choice but now that human t3 can be bought for super cheap, I want the norn armors because they look good.

I agree with you. I would love to see several of the other races’ cultural sets on my human, and I hope that becomes a possibility in the future.

You want the look you like because you like it, you didn’t say a word about how common the set is, only that you like it so you want it. We’re in agreement.

I made my charr warrior partly because I wanted to play charr and partly because I liked the exclusive armor.

I feel like if they are going to start letting other races use any cultural armor they should offer race changes (which they said would never happen).

But if we can give away racial armor then why not race changes?

Facepunch.5710:

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

Yea….we will have to agree to disagree here. “Best” look is completely subjective. Most people will want to have a look they think is “best” but that doesn’t look like every other person. That’s why mix and match is so popular. As someone that has T3 cultural armor, I can speak from my own experience in the sense that I got it for it’s unique look and that most people don’t want to spend the money on it and thus it is exclusive. Obviously I can’t speak for everyone, but I have a feeling that exclusivity has something to do with it.

It’s the same reason people that had exclusive weapon skins were upset when they made them all available again to everyone.

I could be wrong, but I’m confident others feel the same way I do.

Facepunch.5710:

Draknar.5748:

The whole reason people even bother buying the T3 cultural sets is because of exclusivity. At the very least you know (knew) that no other race can have it, so that reduces the number of possible characters with your set by a huge %.

This is where I stop following the argument. Is this true for many people? Your primary goal is to have a unique look? I don’t think so. If that was the case you’d see more people running around in godawful generic armor sets that no one uses. The goal is to have the best look. For many people, the best look for clothies is human T3. Stand in LA for 15 minutes and watch people run by, it’s clear that people care more about having this look than they do about how many people have this look.

The primary goal wasn’t to have a unique look, it was to have a uniquely human look. I bought human T3 light because only humans had access to the armor. I couldn’t care less how many other humans had it too, as long as only humans had it. This humans-only exclusivity is what made this armor valuable to me. That was the point of cultural armor; it was made special not just by its looks but also because only fellow members of your race could have it, and I know I’m not the only one who thinks this way.

If Anet suddenly now believes that everyone should have access to cultural armor regardless of race, why weren’t other races’ T3 armors re-skinned? That human tier 3 light armor is “the best look” is entirely subjective; that it was hitherto human-exclusive is entirely objective.

Facepunch.5710:

Mesket.5728:

You can buy Arah armor cheaper than a cultural armor.

Press “Y” – look for the selling parties = profit.

There are flaws where ever you look and that is why customers and getting emotional easier with each new patch.

Yes, but it’s not ANet carrying people in these dungeon runs, it’s players twisting the system, so any argument about what this means for the direction in which ANet is/has taken horizontal progression doesn’t hold up.

What horizontal progression? I think you got lost in the game a year ago…

wake up, this is not the GW2 we bought… this is Wow-morphing at a really fast pace.

Seriously, instead of adding a new slash to the karma armor, or more spikes, or more metal scales, I don’t know, 1-2 hours of work on a skin you already have just to make it more appealing… no, just throw some meaningless lava on it and people will buy it. Why work right?

Hey ANet:

If you’re going to implement ALL cultural armors with new “effects” on them, then I want my money refunded for purchasing them without those effects/loss of exclusiveness.

Why are people complaining, it’s not like anyone lost anything, like the fractal reset.

if you ever bought Cultural armor to be “exclusive” ive got a news flash for you, EVERY member of your race has it. There is not a moment when i am in lions arch and im not staring down one charr or norn heavy armor guy wearing the same armor as every other one with in a few meters of the others, human cultural T3 became so generic when i saw it i was way past not impressed any more.

Deth.4109:

if you ever bought Cultural armor to be “exclusive” ive got a news flash for you, EVERY member of your race has it. There is not a moment when i am in lions arch and im not staring down one charr or norn heavy armor guy wearing the same armor as every other one with in a few meters of the others, human cultural T3 became so generic when i saw it i was way past not impressed any more.

ex·clu·sive
ik?sklo?osiv/Submit
adjective
1. excluding or not admitting other things.
“my exclusive focus is on San Antonio issues”
(of terms) excluding all but what is specified.
synonyms: not including, excluding, leaving out, omitting, excepting More
antonyms: inclusive
2. restricted or limited to the person, group, or area concerned.

Cultural armor was exclusive by the very definition of the word. Was..

Deth.4109:

if you ever bought Cultural armor to be “exclusive” ive got a news flash for you, EVERY member of your race has it. There is not a moment when i am in lions arch and im not staring down one charr or norn heavy armor guy wearing the same armor as every other one with in a few meters of the others, human cultural T3 became so generic when i saw it i was way past not impressed any more.

Again, I bought human light T3 cultural armor precisely because it was exclusive to humans. Seeing hundreds of other humans wearing the same armor didn’t bother me in the slightest, but now seeing scores of non-humans parading around in it is infuriating, because humans don’t get to wear their T3 light armor sets.

Same here, I’m pretty upset that the devs went this route. If they wanted to refurbish fractals content, how about armor more related to fractals? Such as.. instead of fractal weapons, make an exclusive version of fractal armor perhaps?

I’m pretty sure many people would be more excited about that instead of just taking already existent and race exclusive armor and adding fire to it.

I’d even be anxious myself to spend gems on a fractal skin armor. It’d give everyone a taste of things later to come. But just taking already existent armor (T3 cultural, Wvw armor, Pitfighter-masterwork) and just adding effects to it doesn’t make it anymore special.

This update is a let down, sad to say.

Glenstorm.4059:

Deth.4109:

if you ever bought Cultural armor to be “exclusive” ive got a news flash for you, EVERY member of your race has it. There is not a moment when i am in lions arch and im not staring down one charr or norn heavy armor guy wearing the same armor as every other one with in a few meters of the others, human cultural T3 became so generic when i saw it i was way past not impressed any more.

Again, I bought human light T3 cultural armor precisely because it was exclusive to humans. Seeing hundreds of other humans wearing the same armor didn’t bother me in the slightest, but now seeing scores of non-humans parading around in it is infuriating, because humans don’t get to wear their T3 light armor sets.

yeah you do, i dont recall the patch removing your armor from you and leaving you naked, Besides its obvious this armor was popular enough that people would pay for a re skinned version and if this means the end of such a stupid concept as raced locked armors im all for it.

avatar of doom.8601:

Why are people complaining, it’s not like anyone lost anything, like the fractal reset.

The direction the game is going and so on mostly.
As for fractal reset- people complained about that because they felt they put a lot of time and effort in it. It’s the same here – people put a lot of time and effort in getting the race exclusive armour only to see it now in the gemstore available for all races at less than half the price. It’s pretty much the same issue.

Deth.4109:

yeah you do, i dont recall the patch removing your armor from you and leaving you naked, Besides its obvious this armor was popular enough that people would pay for a re skinned version and if this means the end of such a stupid concept as raced locked armors im all for it.

Yeah, where are my reskinned legendaries. They’ll sell amazingly well too.

I blame people liking fire on each armor piece. :P Though clearly everyone is entitled to their own opinion and personal taste.

I have a human elementalist, but she’s young. The fire armor for makes sense for an Elementalist BUT she’s more of a Grenth disciple. Therefore, IF I was going to choose between these two sets, the “right” choice would still be Human T3, because I dislike fire particles on my armor, and I assume not 100% of players like these as well.

Therefore, the point is rather moot, because even though T3 is theoretically available for all races, the real T3 without the particles is not. Only the fiery version is “public” and not everybody loves fire that much (I personally hate all CoF armor pieces.)

Same goes for the karma armor heavy set, it actually looks better in its original version than with its fiery plumed helmet. Perhaps for a concept Burning Guardian build I could use it, otherwise, I think it’s too hot for me to handle.

Guys, you already accepted the Ascended bait and switch. Why did you think they’d stop there?

Gonna just drop in here and leave a hearty “No.”

Mega Messiah.1734:

Gonna just drop in here and leave a hearty “No.”

Same ^ ..just no.
I can see so many people consider leaving this game for good if they do anymore of that.

Thrumdi.9216:

Guys, you already accepted the Ascended bait and switch. Why did you think they’d stop there?

While I know you are just trolling to stir up trouble, you do have a point. I feel like ANet has deliberately narrowed their target market to VP grinders. First they disappoint horizontal progression alt-o-holics with ascended gear, now they disappoint the horizontal cosmetic progression group by mucking with some of the most expensive armor skins in the game.

mXz.4512:

Mega Messiah.1734:

Gonna just drop in here and leave a hearty “No.”

Same ^ ..just no.
I can see so many people consider leaving this game for good if they do anymore of that.

So why is it fair then that only human scholars are left in the dust? No, now they should do it to everyone.

I think it’s a sarcastic thread.

However, what the complainers fail to understand (no offense if your feelings were hurt by this patch) is that the real human light T3 armor is still unavailable. Fire particle effects make it a different armor set, and not necessarily better (it wouldn’t fit many player character concepts out there.) So if you care about “Exclusivity”, your armor is still as exclusive as ever, and probably better looking than the new, “cheaper” set.

Mesket.5728:

Facepunch.5710:

Mesket.5728:

You can buy Arah armor cheaper than a cultural armor.

Press “Y” – look for the selling parties = profit.

There are flaws where ever you look and that is why customers and getting emotional easier with each new patch.

Yes, but it’s not ANet carrying people in these dungeon runs, it’s players twisting the system, so any argument about what this means for the direction in which ANet is/has taken horizontal progression doesn’t hold up.

What horizontal progression? I think you got lost in the game a year ago…

wake up, this is not the GW2 we bought… this is Wow-morphing at a really fast pace.

Seriously, instead of adding a new slash to the karma armor, or more spikes, or more metal scales, I don’t know, 1-2 hours of work on a skin you already have just to make it more appealing… no, just throw some meaningless lava on it and people will buy it. Why work right?

Hold on a sec, you’re the one who made the case that people dislike this because it’s incongruent with what GW2 is supposed to be when you said this:

I would be 100% agree with you if this was World of Warcraft. But its not.
This game is based on skins, nothing else.

I agree with you that the game does not stick to horizontal progression and has not since release. But I do not agree that cultural armor in the gem store is comparable to Arah armor in the gem store, in terms of trashing that game design.

Deth.4109:

Glenstorm.4059:

Deth.4109:

if you ever bought Cultural armor to be “exclusive” ive got a news flash for you, EVERY member of your race has it. There is not a moment when i am in lions arch and im not staring down one charr or norn heavy armor guy wearing the same armor as every other one with in a few meters of the others, human cultural T3 became so generic when i saw it i was way past not impressed any more.

Again, I bought human light T3 cultural armor precisely because it was exclusive to humans. Seeing hundreds of other humans wearing the same armor didn’t bother me in the slightest, but now seeing scores of non-humans parading around in it is infuriating, because humans don’t get to wear their T3 light armor sets.

yeah you do, i dont recall the patch removing your armor from you and leaving you naked, Besides its obvious this armor was popular enough that people would pay for a re skinned version and if this means the end of such a stupid concept as raced locked armors im all for it.

? No, the only T3 cultural armor skin that’s no longer race-locked (i.e. exclusive) is the human light skin. Humans can’t wear re-skinned versions of Dryad (T3 sylvari light), Magus (T3 charr light), Lupine (T3 norn light) or Savant (T3 asura light), but each of these races gets a shinier re-skin of Sorcerer’s (T3 human light).

And by re-skinning a cultural armor skin and making it available to all races set just because it’s popular (which is subjective by the way), Anet is saying they’re okay with throwing systems that they themselves designed (race-locked armors) under the bus to make quick money. It’s just a bad precedent they’re setting.

Regardless, if they are going to release re-skins of other races’ Tier 3 light skins, I’m okay with this. But as it stands, human scholars are the only ones losing exclusivity, and this is something I’m NOT okay with.

Star Ace.5207:

I think it’s a sarcastic thread.

However, what the complainers fail to understand (no offense if your feelings were hurt by this patch) is that the real human light T3 armor is still unavailable. Fire particle effects make it a different armor set, and not necessarily better (it wouldn’t fit many player character concepts out there.) So if you care about “Exclusivity”, your armor is still as exclusive as ever, and probably better looking than the new, “cheaper” set.

+1 but to be honest the particle effect armor looks much better than the actual T3. But as you mentioned, not everybody likes particles. I do not and I just keep my T3 armor on my characters, but I defiantly don’t mind other races wearing the new armor.

Glenstorm.4059:

Magus (T3 charr light)

U can take it anytime anyday. Its looks like a piece of kitten on charr that doesnt even have a hole for tail and removes hairs..In “cultural armor”. I always been saying that this armor was designed for humans and stretched to charr, now im sure it is and that other races will be looking much better in it than charr does. Theres a reason why no charr that has light class runs in t3.