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More daily - are you kidding me ?
More achievements the better, I really want that 10K chest.
You will get there regardless. Then what? “I really want the 15k chest.”
Why do people care about achievement points?
I mean, you can get them by killing ambient creatures, picking up carrots or by visiting a laurel vendor.
Rewards (including the point total) should be based on doing stuff that is actually challenging, not by doing mundane tasks over and over.
Honestly, I always wondered why the daily/monthly quests provided achievement points.
The laurels I get. The XP I get. Even the “random” (i.e. Mystic Coin, Karma bottle, and Luck Essence) rewards I get. The Achievement Points I don’t get. Most Achievement Point systems have a finite number of points that can be achieved, and usually provide a means of getting all of them. With the daily system (and with the Living Story nonsense), this AP system is essentially “broken” in that there are “infinite” APs available and previous APs are unavailable.
In a well-designed AP system, you can look at a guy’s score and say “Wow, look at what he achieved”. In GW2, I look at the score and say “Wow, look at how much time this guy wastes every day”.
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So what you are saying is, a cap does not negatively effect anyone in anyway? If a majority of people are only doing the necessary 5 dailies for their laurel every single day, all this is doing is creating an even larger AP gap between those and the ones at the top. Achievement points should be awarded for completing difficult tasks and that is what should differentiate those with lots and those with less, not if they completed the optional dailies or not. When a full set of dailies (including the optional ones) award almost the same AP as Liadri hard mode(Light up the Darkness), something is wrong and this needs to be addressed. A cap would not negatively effect the majority of people who don’t go for the optional ones, but it would greatly reduce the amount of time spent doing dailies for those AP hunters. This would be a huge QoL addition for us, while reducing the huge gaps in achievement points.
Some of this just repeats what I said, in different words. The AP’s are meaningless as you said. They award time spent doing extra dailies, not any actual difficult task completed.
You assume the people doing the bare minimum for laurels care about the gap between them and the highest. If they’re not doing it, they probably don’t. I don’t care where I am on leaderboards and have never looked, because they are meaningless. PvE leaderboards are a joke at best as they stand with no real challenging content to get on the leaderboards for. And I don’t care what other people have for AP’s either. I get its enjoyable for some people to farm them, but to me it’s just a number that carries no weight to it. With a huge portion of AP’s coming from zerg-based living story temporary content too, no one close to the top now has a chance in hell of catching up.
If the AP’s awarded were all based on doing harder content, like Liadri in your example, maybe they would carry weight and matter. But they don’t.
If there was to be a cap on daily AP’s at 5………what about living story based AP’s? Once they’re gone, thats it. You’re screwed and can never get those either. May as well drag them into the mix here as well.
I get the AP’s for the chests, nothing more.
Have to agree I only deeply cared because there is a chest to chase. Even if the rewards are hardly worth my time, I chase that chest.
I don’t blame AN for that, I want the chest and therefore I chase. I thought there should have been a daily cap when this all started. AP for the most part are already meaningless because you get them for everything.
As far as dailies go for meaning something, they may as well just start awarding achievement points whenever the counter goes by the set time the anti-afk kicker would boot you and your not afk to get booted.
So what you are saying is, a cap does not negatively effect anyone in anyway? If a majority of people are only doing the necessary 5 dailies for their laurel every single day, all this is doing is creating an even larger AP gap between those and the ones at the top. Achievement points should be awarded for completing difficult tasks and that is what should differentiate those with lots and those with less, not if they completed the optional dailies or not. When a full set of dailies (including the optional ones) award almost the same AP as Liadri hard mode(Light up the Darkness), something is wrong and this needs to be addressed. A cap would not negatively effect the majority of people who don’t go for the optional ones, but it would greatly reduce the amount of time spent doing dailies for those AP hunters. This would be a huge QoL addition for us, while reducing the huge gaps in achievement points.
Some of this just repeats what I said, in different words. The AP’s are meaningless as you said. They award time spent doing extra dailies, not any actual difficult task completed.
You assume the people doing the bare minimum for laurels care about the gap between them and the highest. If they’re not doing it, they probably don’t. I don’t care where I am on leaderboards and have never looked, because they are meaningless. PvE leaderboards are a joke at best as they stand with no real challenging content to get on the leaderboards for. And I don’t care what other people have for AP’s either. I get its enjoyable for some people to farm them, but to me it’s just a number that carries no weight to it. With a huge portion of AP’s coming from zerg-based living story temporary content too, no one close to the top now has a chance in hell of catching up.
If the AP’s awarded were all based on doing harder content, like Liadri in your example, maybe they would carry weight and matter. But they don’t.
If there was to be a cap on daily AP’s at 5………what about living story based AP’s? Once they’re gone, thats it. You’re screwed and can never get those either. May as well drag them into the mix here as well.
I get the AP’s for the chests, nothing more.
I am 100% OK with no LS achievements except for the select difficult ones. Things like the Queens Gauntlet or even the Toxic Hybrid. (I know was not very challenging, but something along those lines) I would even be fine with dailies not awarding any achievement points, because let’s be honest, gathering 20 things or completing 5 events is not in any way, shape, or form skillful. I personally feel like the achievement system is broken, mainly because AP’s go away if they are not completed when they need to be. Missed this LS or that one, you are forever behind. Missed a full set of dailies for your best friends wedding, well, too bad, those are gone forever. WoW or Rift have excellent achievement systems. They award unique titles, pets, mounts, even looks (Challenge modes) and you can complete them whenever you want at your own pace, without worrying about missing out. Come back to WoW 2 years down the road and all previous AP are still available.
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
I still stand by there is a cap, its called self control.
This certainly works on an individual level. I stopped chasing APs (though I’m still in the top 1k in NA, my rank is falling, and in time I’m sure I’ll fall off the end). But it doesn’t address the fact that game design which rewards tedious and easy tasks is bad design. I became interested in GuildWars1 because of their professed avoidance of grind (yes, there was some, but less core to rewards); GW2 has been more disappointing in that respect.
I don’t play games as another chance to exercise self-control (which is a horrible analogy, btw — you get more self-control by establishing good habits, not by resisting temptation); I play them to have fun. Having to guard against psychological manipulation makes the game less fun.
I’ve decided to see my rank in the AP leaderboards more as a mark of shame than as something to be proud of; that makes it pretty easy to ignore. I don’t care about people “catching up”; I do think the game would be better if it capped out AP rewards for tedious tasks — I like the suggestion of giving a daily meta, and rewarding that when you hit it — but 0 AP for each individual task.
I don’t care too much, since I’ve pretty much got myself to ignore this other than getting laurels — but it would be better game design.
(And there are other ways you can catch up — e.g. dungeon explorer, if you’re willing to grind dungeons… you can get probably grind at least 5AP/h as long as you’ve got a group willing to grind with you.)
people who can’t see that are in denial of their gaming problem. If people are unhappy about the grind, they need to ask themselves, why do they do it? If they are honest with themselves they will see the problem is not a game.
Well, yes — it’s our choice to play the game. But a game which is toxic to some players is not a game I want to support, and it’s fair to argue that this encourages bad behavior. I’d note that there are possible pro-social results from dailies as well — encouraging participation reduces the degree to which parts of the game are uninhabited wastelands by getting players to revisit for area-based events and the like. I think rewarding behavior like that is good design.
If a cap was imposed on people that are above 15k yet not anyone below. Would that be acceptable?
I’m not enthusiastic about encouraging this behavior in those with fewer than 15k APs either, so I’d say … “meh”. It is an improvement — but only a marginal one, since it’d only affect a small fraction of the population. I wouldn’t argue against it, but it doesn’t really address what I consider to be poor design.
For those who claim its not about catching up. They should not have a problem with this. They could go on their merry way since it would have nothing to do with board position and it would not have an impact on them. Why people keep denying its not about board position when it clearly is for the majority is beyond me.
Even though I have been hateful, I genuinely feel bad for those who feel they must keep grinding. Again, if they capped it. It would be fine with me and not change the way I play. I just wished people would be honest about why they want a cap. Most want a cap because they are tired of the grind. If those near their scores are capped they would not feel compelled to grind more to maintain. I feel this is why they lose so much support from the community.
I’m not convinced that grinding dailies is actually the best way to catch up, esp not for the slowest couple of them — but I’d prefer to find some way to give new players possible parity with those who’ve been play all along. Separating AP scores for daily, LS, and core game might work.
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@linuxotaku, liked your response and it makes sense. As I said, I am in no way opposed to a cap. I’m opposed to why (some) want a cap. To deny others what they have been doing for months, because they are tired of the grind. To blame anet for something, when it is within them to not grind.
I agree rewards should be on par with content. But other than grinding towards a chest what other reward is there for chasing ap? Reading some of the post it sounds like they are saying “anet help me, because I cant help myself”
If people really want a cap, imo the cap should be retroactive. I’ve only seen a few comments that agreed with that. How many would be willing to give up points through a move like this?
It seems “now” they want a cap. There was a time when some didn’t but would be more than happy with one now.
I guess my biggest complaint is the double standard so many have.
Sure I agree there are flaws in the system, but if anet cleaned it up in a manner that is fair to ALL players. Most people wanting a change would be crying till doomsday.
And I say ALL because many times I’ve read, “these suggested changes will only impact us”, when any change in the game impacts everyone one way or another.
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@linuxotaku, liked your response and it makes sense. As I said, I am in no way opposed to a cap. I’m opposed to why (some) want a cap. To deny others what they have been doing for months, because they are tired of the grind. To blame anet for something, when it is within them to not grind.
I agree rewards should be on par with content. But other than grinding towards a chest what other reward is there for chasing ap? Reading some of the post it sounds like they are saying “anet help me, because I cant help myself”
If people really want a cap, imo the cap should be retroactive. I’ve only seen a few comments that agreed with that. How many would be willing to give up points through a move like this?
It seems “now” they want a cap. There was a time when some didn’t but would be more than happy with one now.
I guess my biggest complaint is the double standard so many have.
Sure I agree there are flaws in the system, but if anet cleaned it up in a manner that is fair to ALL players. Most people wanting a change would be crying till doomsday.
Done, take all my extra points. I would gladly pay this price.
e pluribus Unum
seriously tho, good luck in getting a change. and this is not sarcasm. I believe its needed. Just done in a way that is good for all
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e pluribus Unum
The same thing could be said about suggestions in a majority of threads in this forum. Normally I do not post in the forums simply because I do not believe my voice will be heard. After the recent announcements and changes (Flamekissed Armor, Account Bound WxP come to mind), I generally believe Anet is listening to their player base, which has prompted me to change my habits and try to be vocal about issues I feel strongly about.
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Adminir, Ive read your post, most I think. Seems pretty level headed imo. I may not agree with everything. But reasonable comments. I certainly cannot say that about myself. To often I let frustration dictate what I write, when its not called for.
There’s gotta be some way to seperate the chaff and the wheat.
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for there you have been and there you will long to return.
implementing a cap seems like a really selfish thing to ask for.
arenanet should not deny the people that are willing to put in the effort just because some of you cant or dont want to put in the effort anymore.
Adminir, Ive read your post, most I think. Seems pretty level headed imo. I may not agree with everything. But reasonable comments. I certainly cannot say that about myself. To often I let frustration dictate what I write, when its not called for.
I appreciate your words daniel and I hopefully don’t come off as trying to bash you, in particular, through any of my points. Everyone has their own opinions and no one is either right or wrong when it comes to how they personally feel. Writing with frustration can come off as writing with passion, both are equally acceptable when speaking about something you feel strongly about.
This is why I suggested there be leaderboard seasons. That way, there will be no more talk of caps or being “left behind”.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
If you want to be top dog you’re gonna have to be rabid when it comes to effort . Personally i say put in all the dailies they want i only do 5-6 a day anyway .
It would not bother me one bit if they changed it. I feel some people are negative in some suggested changes, because some changes are clearly, " I’m tired of doing this and I don’t want anyone else to be able to"
If the suggested changes where really about completionist being overwhelmed, its understandable. However, most changes are by people that say "I’m # w/e on lb. That implies, those who are so concerned about their position are more competitive than being a completionist.
It appears some suggestion are geared towards denying others of something some have done for a long time. imo that’s where the negativity comes in.
Interesting, it wouldn’t really bother me. It seems like that every poster who posted ‘’I am rank X, on leaderboards’’ are becoming tired of the grind, but they still put value into their rank X and wouldn’t like anybody who is motivated enough to catch them up, thus suggesting putting a cap on daily AP.
I sympathize more with the completionists.
The point in mentioning our ranks is to express simply that we’re the ones dealing most with the problem in question.
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Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
FWIW, I hope you guys get the cap on daily AP’s you seem to favor. However, I’m not convinced that there aren’t players who chase AP’s that would not be in favor of such a cap. I also suspect that ANet would not favor a cap, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong about that, too.
FWIW, I hope you guys get the cap on daily AP’s you seem to favor. However, I’m not convinced that there aren’t players who chase AP’s that would not be in favor of such a cap. I also suspect that ANet would not favor a cap, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong about that, too.
The thing is, those of us who chase AP were not expecting to do this through a dailies grind. No I can’t speak for everyone and I haven’t said my rank yet but I think it’s time I do. I am rank 2 NA, and I talk to several others in the top 10. I can tell you that we are not looking to compete at the dailies game.
I know some think we don’t want people to catch up, but guess what, people are not going to catch up anyway. We already have too much of a lead with the way this system works now.
Something I would like to point out is that there was a time when PvPs were requesting a soloQ as solo queue team area was not working out well. There were many people against this saying that they were just complaining. People need to start seeing that this isn’t just complaining, but rather people who care about the game they are playing, and want to keep it fun.
Yes there are people on the forums who just complain about everything, but there seem to be far more people who just take everything as a complaint.
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FWIW, I hope you guys get the cap on daily AP’s you seem to favor. However, I’m not convinced that there aren’t players who chase AP’s that would not be in favor of such a cap. I also suspect that ANet would not favor a cap, but I’d be happy to be proved wrong about that, too.
The thing is, those of us who chase AP were not expecting to do this through a dailies grind. No I can’t speak for everyone and I haven’t said my rank yet but I think it’s time I do. I am rank 2 NA, and I talk to several others in the top 10. I can tell you that we are not looking to compete at the dailies game.
I know some think we don’t want people to catch up, but guess what, people are not going to catch up anyway. We already have too much of a lead with the way this system works now.
Something I would like to point out is that there was a time when PvPs were requesting a soloQ as solo queue team area was not working out well. There were many people against this saying that they were just complaining. People need to start seeing that this isn’t just complaining, but rather people who care about the game they are playing, and want to keep it fun.
Yes there are people on the forums who just complain about everything, but there seem to be far more people who just take everything as a complaint.
Rest assured, I don’t think ill of your request or motives, though others seem to, and I hope the developer listens. If they do, I hope they have information that says that the change would be what the players in general want. However, I’m also cynical about the likelihood of the developer doing things because it’s what might be better for their customers. You may find that your concerns and desires put you in a minority that falls outside of the plan," as I have.
I’ve been wondering, how top AP players feel of doing every daily everyday. I would not have any fun in this game if I spent hours getting those little 1 AP achievements. If the cap for dailies is needed, I will support it.
I consider myself as an achievement hunter of some kind (13,4k AP), but I only go for LS achievements, permanent achievements and monthlies.
I rarely bother with PvP daily for other than monthly and I do more than 5 dailies if they come while playing stuff I enjoy or are otherwise done in minutes .
more dailies pls so that i can unlock those AP chests faster….
the hell with leaderboards, i don’t care….
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more dailies pls so that i can unlock those AP chests faster….
the hell with leaderboards, i don’t care….
So very selfish :/
Do you do every daily every day?
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
more dailies pls so that i can unlock those AP chests faster….
the hell with leaderboards, i don’t care….
So very selfish :/
Do you do every daily every day?
what selfish….?
not really all.. usually i skipped those fractals and few which i think would take too long…. and pvp dailies.. rarely do that…
the most i did i think 14/15…
Cutie Phantasmer/Farinas [HAX] – CD Casual
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
Why do so many people think we are just not wanting people to catch us? Do you guys not understand that the more time they add to dailies the HARDER it is to catch us? It once took us 20min to do dailies. Now it can take 2+ hours. We had soooo much extra time to get more achievements. With the time it takes now, its going to be harder to catch us.
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
Why do so many people think we are just not wanting people to catch us? Do you guys not understand that the more time they add to dailies the HARDER it is to catch us? It once took us 20min to do dailies. Now it can take 2+ hours. We had soooo much extra time to get more achievements. With the time it takes now, its going to be harder to catch us.
in that case leaderboard toppers don’t need to worry if they add more daily options, coz most of us don’t really care about leaderboards, we just want APs to unlock those chests….
Cutie Phantasmer/Farinas [HAX] – CD Casual
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
Why do so many people think we are just not wanting people to catch us? Do you guys not understand that the more time they add to dailies the HARDER it is to catch us? It once took us 20min to do dailies. Now it can take 2+ hours. We had soooo much extra time to get more achievements. With the time it takes now, its going to be harder to catch us.
in that case leaderboard toppers don’t need to worry if they add more daily options, coz most of us don’t really care about leaderboards, we just want APs to unlock those chests….
Then the changes we request will not even be noticed by you. In which case, why do you care if we get a QoL change?
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
IMO that is a misconception. By making the AP cap easier, they are increasing the amount of people who are able to do them all. Those top AP hunters will do everything now as well as they will do everything if things are easier. The harder the dailies get, the less people will want to keep up with the pace. For me this is kind of a binary situation. I either do them all or I dont do them at all, which means qutting the game. I suspect this is also the mindset of a large part of top AP hunters (I am not that high myself, but I think my current rank is only a byproduct of doing AP since day 1). Is goal of more dailies is to make some people quit? Strange goal. Actually leaderboard was never my goal. I would be very happy if Arena would remove those leaderboards but I kind find this very unlikely so I am not going to campaign for it. If a magical fairy showed up and offered me to get the daily AP cap and as a trade-off loose my current leaderboard rank and fall to position #73456, I would take that offer in a heartbeat. Again. AP hunting is not about who has the most. It is about the urge of “getting them all”.
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
Why do so many people think we are just not wanting people to catch us? Do you guys not understand that the more time they add to dailies the HARDER it is to catch us? It once took us 20min to do dailies. Now it can take 2+ hours. We had soooo much extra time to get more achievements. With the time it takes now, its going to be harder to catch us.
in that case leaderboard toppers don’t need to worry if they add more daily options, coz most of us don’t really care about leaderboards, we just want APs to unlock those chests….
Then the changes we request will not even be noticed by you. In which case, why do you care if we get a QoL change?
lol…what’s QoL ?
Cutie Phantasmer/Farinas [HAX] – CD Casual
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Archeage = Farmville with PK
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
IMO that is a misconception. By making the AP cap easier, they are increasing the amount of people who are able to do them all. Those top AP hunters will do everything now as well as they will do everything if things are easier. The harder the dailies get, the less people will want to keep up with the pace. For me this is kind of a binary situation. I either do them all or I dont do them at all, which means qutting the game. I suspect this is also the mindset of a large part of top AP hunters (I am not that high myself, but I think my current rank is only a byproduct of doing AP since day 1). Is goal of more dailies is to make some people quit? Strange goal. Actually leaderboard was never my goal. I would be very happy if Arena would remove those leaderboards but I kind find this very unlikely so I am not going to campaign for it. If a magical fairy showed up and offered me to get the daily AP cap and as a trade-off loose my current leaderboard rank and fall to position #73456, I would take that offer in a heartbeat. Again. AP hunting is not about who has the most. It is about the urge of “getting them all”.
The fewer APs that can be earned in one day, the harder it is for people to catch those higher up. Currently, most people know there is zero possibility of getting to the top — especially if they didn’t buy the game when it came out.
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
And those who just want the AP for the chests would be happy as well.
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
Which means those of us at the top get to stay at the top for longer. Do you really think we haven’t optimized our AP/hours played?
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
Someone who joined half year after me will never reach me in AP with how the current system works. Unless I will quit the game and he will keep playing. So if the goal of adding more and more dailies is to make me (and some other people) stop playing GW2 then OK. But I would like to hear that from Arena. If that is their design intent I will spare them more efforts and quit preemptively. Oh, and if you ask me, dailies should never give AP in the first place. But that is a subject for another discussion.
It’s not like it’s going to slow down anyone grinding achievements if they add a few more, between dungeon master and the salvage one which are infinite anyone who’s grinding them can easily catch up just by speed running a path over and over and over and salvaging all the loot that comes up.
Let us buy vendor mats (eg spools of thread) in 250 stacks, end the excessive clicking.
It’s not like it’s going to slow down anyone grinding achievements if they add a few more, between dungeon master and the salvage one which are infinite anyone who’s grinding them can easily catch up just by speed running a path over and over and over and salvaging all the loot that comes up.
Those are not infinite. They are capped at 200/250 AP. Which is exactly same thing we would like to have with daily AP (with different scale of course).
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
Which means those of us at the top get to stay at the top for longer. Do you really think we haven’t optimized our AP/hours played?
As it is, you just do them all. It’s time consuming, of course, but doable. I’m talking about adding so many more daily APs that it’s not possible to do them all. You’d have to think about which ones to do — making the whole “competition” far more interesting.
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
Which means those of us at the top get to stay at the top for longer. Do you really think we haven’t optimized our AP/hours played?
As it is, you just do them all. It’s time consuming, of course, but doable. I’m talking about adding so many more daily APs that it’s not possible to do them all. You’d have to think about which ones to do — making the whole “competition” far more interesting.
If they did a change like this, I would unistall GW2 the day it would be announced/introduced. And probably never look back. Becouse I would realize that such system would destroy my out-of-GW2 life very quickly by me trying to complete as much as possible every single day.
What happened to rewarding people for actually being good at things?
ArenaNet does NOT play Guild Wars 2. This can’t be.
However, if they added a TON of daily APs, there would be a chance, and the competition would be more interesting as people would have to optimize their AP/hours played.
Which means those of us at the top get to stay at the top for longer. Do you really think we haven’t optimized our AP/hours played?
As it is, you just do them all. It’s time consuming, of course, but doable. I’m talking about adding so many more daily APs that it’s not possible to do them all. You’d have to think about which ones to do — making the whole “competition” far more interesting.
Could you imagine the amount of daily tasks they would have to add in order to accomplish this? We are talking about 100’s for some people. Screw the rotation, just have every single achievement available each day. /sarcasm That is just a horrible idea that benefits no one.
Those who go to forums to complain are often referred to as a “vocal minority,” and many people only come to the forums when they want to complain. One thing we don’t know is how many among those who do all the dailies all the time are not coming to the forums because they enjoy the system the way it is. In other words, if a cap were put in, would these people suddenly descend on the forums and demand the cap be removed — and if so, how many are there?
There have already been quite a few people who are among the top AP hunters who have come to this thread and voiced their opinion that they would welcome this change. I have multiple friends who are in the top 100 who are starting to tire of the continuous grind and who fume to me whenever more mindless grinding AP’s are added.
Of course top AP hunters will want a cap: that makes it harder for people below them to catch up to them.
Why do so many people think we are just not wanting people to catch us? Do you guys not understand that the more time they add to dailies the HARDER it is to catch us? It once took us 20min to do dailies. Now it can take 2+ hours. We had soooo much extra time to get more achievements. With the time it takes now, its going to be harder to catch us.
in that case leaderboard toppers don’t need to worry if they add more daily options, coz most of us don’t really care about leaderboards, we just want APs to unlock those chests….
Then the changes we request will not even be noticed by you. In which case, why do you care if we get a QoL change?
How would a cap to AP from daily achievements go unnoticed by people who sometimes do extra dailies for chest? You all seem to be parting from the premise that only completionists go past the 5 dailies, online search calls it a “false dilemma”.
From my PoV, I like that there’s more daily options available to get some chests faster, sometimes I do just 5 dailies, sometimes I do more depending on what’s available, I don’t understand why this should be taken away just because some people lack self-control.
From my PoV, I like that there’s more daily options available to get some chests faster, sometimes I do just 5 dailies, sometimes I do more depending on what’s available, I don’t understand why this should be taken away just because some people lack self-control.
If the only problem is lack of self-control in some people, then why, as someone up there suggested, not make say… 300 dailies available each day? If only good things come from more choices, why not? And why were dungeon runner and salvager achievements capped (they were infinite at launch)? What was the reason if supposedly the only possible problem would be lack of self-control of some people to salvage 10,000 items per day?
From my PoV, I like that there’s more daily options available to get some chests faster, sometimes I do just 5 dailies, sometimes I do more depending on what’s available, I don’t understand why this should be taken away just because some people lack self-control.
If the only problem is lack of self-control in some people, then why, as someone up there suggested, not make say… 300 dailies available each day? If only good things come from more choices, why not? And why were dungeon runner and salvager achievements capped (they were infinite at launch)? What was the reason if supposedly the only possible problem would be lack of self-control of some people to salvage 10,000 items per day?
Why not 300? Pretty good suggestion, I hope Anet takes it into consideration, as I assume that part of the post was directed at them, not me.
Why did they decided to cap dungeon runner and agent of entropy? Also pretty good question, I hope Anet answers you that one.
But what I’m stating is directed at you (plural), the people who are suggesting a cap to daily AP not because we gain too much AP, but because you’re “feeling tired of grinding”. I’m not sure why you’re asking me about previous decisions taken by the devs, when neither of us know their reasons.
The problem with these suggestions aren’t just the suggestions themselves, but also the reasons behind them.
From my PoV, I like that there’s more daily options available to get some chests faster, sometimes I do just 5 dailies, sometimes I do more depending on what’s available, I don’t understand why this should be taken away just because some people lack self-control.
If the only problem is lack of self-control in some people, then why, as someone up there suggested, not make say… 300 dailies available each day? If only good things come from more choices, why not? And why were dungeon runner and salvager achievements capped (they were infinite at launch)? What was the reason if supposedly the only possible problem would be lack of self-control of some people to salvage 10,000 items per day?
Why not 300? Pretty good suggestion, I hope Anet takes it into consideration, as I assume that part of the post was directed at them, not me.
Why did they decided to cap dungeon runner and agent of entropy? Also pretty good question, I hope Anet answers you that one.But what I’m stating is directed at you (plural), the people who are suggesting a cap to daily AP not because we gain too much AP, but because you’re “feeling tired of grinding”. I’m not sure why you’re asking me about previous decisions taken by the devs, when neither of us know their reasons.
The problem with these suggestions aren’t just the suggestions themselves, but also the reasons behind them.
I think the reasons they did not do something like that are pretty obvious. As it stands, they only have rewards up to 25k AP. People could achieve that sitting in LA spam clicking salvages for hours straight. Same with having a huge amount of available AP each day. At 300 a day, people would get all their chest rewards in a matter of weeks.
IMO a lot of these weariness would go away if we had more monthly options and less (or even no) daily options.
There’s a difference between “run a story dungeon on this and this and this and this specific day” and “run four story dungeons this month”.
It’d be great if I could binge on WvW when my server gets a good match up that week, speed-run through 10 dungeons on another day because I feel like it, and focus on map completion on an alt over the next couple of days because that can be relaxing too.
As opposed to having to do a little bit of everything in a single day. This is the thing that is making AP hunting unfun IMO. It’s not that some things take a lot of time. It’s that sometimes you just aren’t in the mood for some particular things, so it feels like that time is not well-spent.
On a good day I can gain 10 world ranks in a session because those fights can get so fun, on other days when World Ranker pops up but I just want to watch TV, I groan (and then chug the pots I saved up).
They could rework the monthlies to give out staggered rewards, such that people get the equivalent of a daily completion chest every time they complete an amount of tasks that is the same as the current 5 dailies, and then get the monthly completion chest when they complete an amount of tasks that is the same as the current 4 monthlies. And the AP hunters could continue to finish up the remaining tasks for the bonus APs they crave based on their own schedule.
The amount of rewards and APs everybody and anybody gets doesn’t need to change, but the way towards these rewards and APs can be very different just by the way they are presented.
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People complaining here should learn one thing games are meant to be plaid for fun. So unless you are making money with this leaderboard chasing it is your fault you are wasting your time\life doing something you do not like.
Most players who play for fun like having as many options for dailies as possible because they do not want to slay 50 crabs in the fractals just to stay on some leaderboard but they would rather do the daily by playing as they want to.
Limiting points gained ? Some people play on weekends or during holidays they will not get many points during other period but will do many more dailies during this time.
You made a competition yourself with these leaderboards which are only representation of how many spare time you have to waste.