Guild Wars 2

The problem with not talking about what they are working on — they of course don’t talk about what they aren’t working on. It all looks the same to us.

But this they actually busted… I would think they could talk about stuff they busted… A simple play through shows the plot is all mixed up… maybe the plot doesn’t matter?

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

The problem with not talking about what they are working on — they of course don’t talk about what they aren’t working on. It all looks the same to us.

But this they actually busted… I would think they could talk about stuff they busted… A simple play through shows the plot is all mixed up… maybe the plot doesn’t matter?

Exactly! We have no idea what there thoughts on the story changes are, so we assume the worst. For all we know the next patch could put everything right again, but we are left in the dark thinking that they aren’t even addressing it. If someone would just say something, anything! Even if’s it’s bad news then at least we would know and be able to act accordingly.

And quite frankly, if the plot no longer matters to them, then this game no longer matters to me. And it pains me greatly yo say that, but its the truth. They nixed the wonderful aspect of exploration with the NPE, the only thing left for me is the story.

I think enough time time has passed for the answer to be clear.

Their attention is, sadly, elsewhere. They simply don’t care about their playerbase, it’s all about the money.

Over the past few weeks I’ve gone from fervent GW2 player to someone who still wants to play the game but can’t.

Why can’t I? Because I can’t log on without feeling deeply disrespected by the game. It’s blatant money grabbing tactics insult my intelligence, as much as this silence disrespects my good will.

I have gone from spending several hours a day playing this, to logging on to do dailies and logging off, to not logging on at all.

Let me be clear, I want to play this game, this isn’t anger, it’s simply sadness, this whole situation is just sad.

Arenanet, people play games to feel good, not bad.

As long as you keep ignoring this simple fact and instead focus on trying to force us to spend yet more money (new Gem/Gold thing is an example) you will keep bleeding numbers, and you will ultimately fail.

As for me, you have managed to push yet another fan of the game away, so congratulations.

I used to love creating a new character and progressing it through the story. It gave everything meaning.

Over two years ago, when I first started playing this, in the final betas, the sense of wonder and freshness, the thrill of exploration, were intoxicating.

Yet the last character I made was a nightmare because of the new changes, and the antecipation of reaching level 70 and being faced with the FUBAR’d story made it worse.

I kept waiting and hoping, but no more of that.

I will still log on to unlock the new LS content (because if I don’t you will charge me for it), and play it, for the whole hour that it takes to do that, and then log off again.

That’s the type of game you’ve built, that’s the type of game I’ll play.

Please come back from the dark side, it’s not too late, but as long as it’s buy buy buy, bye bye.

I just did personal story today for the first time since the update that changed it, and I have to say I am NOT happy.

The ‘my greatest fear’ plotline was an integeral part of your characters growth, showing their weakness, faults, and ability to rise above them, and become stronger. This plot line showed that our characters weren’t perfect and could fail, it was truly one of the few personal story plot lines that actually showed growth and developement. It also broadened the horrizons of gw2’s world and characters, giving a vital look at the pact’s rocky start, the long and difficult process of getting such a big caotic organization on its feet, and expanded our adventures and stories. It also provided the backstory for the orb, and the treaterous insurgents, that is an integeral part of defending Fort Trinity, and following that sucessful defense, wrapped up the insurgent breach by taking out the mesmer behind it, brining closure that no longer exist. That regardless of which fear you chose, both consequence occured (the mesmer Iinsurgence and the orb) deepened between the lines, that there were other commanders, friends alts and guild mates(as i like to view them) who had to have been playing the alternative story line for it to merge at this point, thus meshing the concepts of rpg and mmo together in a more compact form.

And finally, removing this section makes the story confusing to new players, and hollow to old. Why does the pale tree inquire as to your greatest fear, if nothing is to come of it? Why does trahearn mention Tonn, and our failure to save him, when we no longer get the chance to do so, when virtually, he no longer exists?! Personal story was always far from the greatest writing in the world, but at least it had made sense, and flowed in a compact liner plot line (which cleansing orr before even managing to capture it fails to do), at least there were touching moments, and a collection of instances to expand our adventures and bring depth and life to the world of tryia and its people. By what you done, you incinerated half of your plot and trashed the other, and it is in no way an improvement.

As an avid reader and aspiring writer, as a player whose favorite part of any game is the story, and who has spent hundreds in gems supporting the developement of GW2, you have really let me down.

On another, slightly off topic, but extremely important note, spliting chapter 7 and 8 between, cleasing orr and fighting zhaitain, does nothing to improve the story. in life, there are many things we do at the same time, we do not study for a text for months and ignore all else, we cannot, one must take breaks to socialize and have fun for their owne mentle health to relieve stress and relax; and one cannot neglect their family or their duties about the house, and one must do their job, and earn the pitence required to survive in this money based world. Mutli-tasking, taking breaks, and switching gears, is a constant part of life, and one cannot always simply finish one thing before moving on to the next, life is not so simple. The previous personal story line did well to replicate the complexity of life, that yes, orr needs to be cleansed, and zhaitain needs to be defeated, but one can’t simply stroll in, and cleanse orr while ignoring zhaitan. It has always been a told-fold goal, you must do a bit of one to acomplish the other. What happened to the adventure, to the romance?! One must fight their way into orr, and secure it before they can go about cleansing it; one must cleans orr, before they can truly put the dragon that feeds upon that corruption to death. And the chance of completing one objective from the start, without being troubled and delayed by the second, is unlikely, unrealistic at best.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

Shouldn’t there be a warning in the patch notes: if you are doing this arc your progress will be wiped out

If you were on the storyline pre-patch, you’ll still be on it post-patch. (Thought it might not be visible until you reach L70, since it’s in Chapter 7.)

PLEASE RESPOND PEROPERLY, no of-topic snark about having warned us, ADRESS THE ISSUE AT ITS CORE!!!! State whether ‘my greatest fear’- which is the topic of this thread- was removed intentionally or was a glitch, and make your stance on this matter clear to us! I am sick of how you constantly evade issues that are important to us.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

I just did personal story today for the first time since the update that changed it, and I have to say I am NOT happy.

The ‘my greatest fear’ plotline was an integeral part of your characters growth, showing their weakness, faults, and ability to rise above them, and become stronger. This plot line showed that our characters weren’t perfect and could fail, it was truly one of the few personal story plot lines that actually showed growth and developement. It also broadened the horrizons of gw2’s world and characters, giving a vital look at the pact’s rocky start, the long and difficult process of getting such a big caotic organization on its feet, and expanded our adventures and stories. It also provided the backstory for the orb, and the treaterous insurgents, that is an integeral part of defending Fort Trinity, and following that sucessful defense, wrapped up the insurgent breach by taking out the mesmer behind it, brining closure that no longer exist…

I always thought the Greatest Fear plotline was one of the stronger, if not the strongest part of the plot. That’s why I find it so hard to believe that it’s gone now.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

…And finally, removing this section makes the story confusing to new players, and hollow to old. Why does the pale tree inquire as to your greatest fear, if nothing is to come of it? Why does trahearn mention Tonn, and our failure to save him, when we no longer get the chance to do so, when virtually, he no longer exists?! Personal story was always far from the greatest writing in the world, but at least it had made sense, and flowed in a compact liner plot line (which cleansing orr before even managing to capture it fails to do), at least there were touching moments, and a collection of instances to expand our adventures and bring depth and life to the world of tryia and its people. By what you done, you incinerated half of your plot and trashed the other, and it is in no way an improvement.

As an avid reader and aspiring writer, as a player whose favorite part of any game is the story, and who has spent hundreds in gems supporting the developement of GW2, you have really let me down.

The plot makes so much less sense now. The only new players who would not stop and be like “what” are the ones who aren’t even watching the story. And certainly you don’t bother to change the story for those who wouldn’t see it before/after, because they can’t even appreciate the change.

Tallybunny.4782:

I think enough time time has passed…

Over the past few weeks I’ve gone from fervent GW2 player to someone who still wants to play the game but can’t.

Why can’t I? Because I can’t log on without feeling deeply disrespected by the game… this silence disrespects my good will.

I have gone from spending several hours a day playing this, to logging on to do dailies and logging off, to not logging on at all.

Let me be clear, I want to play this game, this isn’t anger, it’s simply sadness, this whole situation is just sad.

As long as you keep ignoring this simple fact… you will ultimately fail.

As for me, you have managed to push yet another fan of the game away, so congratulations.

It really pains me to say this, but it’s getting more challenging for me to enjoy the game too now because of this.

Tallybunny.4782:

…I used to love creating a new character and progressing it through the story. It gave everything meaning.

Over two years ago, when I first started playing this, in the final betas, the sense of wonder and freshness, the thrill of exploration, were intoxicating.

Yet the last character I made was a nightmare because of the new changes, and the antecipation of reaching level 70 and being faced with the FUBAR’d story made it worse.

I kept waiting and hoping, but no more of that.

I will still log on to unlock the new LS content (because if I don’t you will charge me for it), and play it, for the whole hour that it takes to do that, and then log off again.

That’s the type of game you’ve built, that’s the type of game I’ll play.

Please come back from the dark side, it’s not too late, but as long as it’s buy buy buy, bye bye.

I pray that they will do the right thing. As it stands their story makes no sense and I can’t see how they could want it to be like that.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

Shouldn’t there be a warning in the patch notes: if you are doing this arc your progress will be wiped out

If you were on the storyline pre-patch, you’ll still be on it post-patch. (Thought it might not be visible until you reach L70, since it’s in Chapter 7.)

PLEASE RESPOND PEROPERLY, no of-topic snark about having warned us, ADRESS THE ISSUE AT ITS CORE!!!! State whether ‘my greatest fear’- which is the topic of this thread- was removed intentionally or was a glitch, and make your stance on this matter clear to us! I am sick of how you constantly evade issues that are important to us.

The general consensus on the “New Trading Post” thread seems to be that the bad press was the only thing that motivated their change of that. I hope that’s not what it would take to get a coherent story back.

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

The problem with not talking about what they are working on — they of course don’t talk about what they aren’t working on. It all looks the same to us.

But this they actually busted… I would think they could talk about stuff they busted… A simple play through shows the plot is all mixed up… maybe the plot doesn’t matter?

I don’t want to think like this, but it’s getting harder and harder not to. I have no idea what’s going on anymore.

The plot of chapters 7 and 8 remain mixed up. You get references to events that no long happened, reunions with people you haven’t met, revelations to mysteries that haven’t been introduced.

It’s a mess. Worse, it’s obvious when you play these chapters. And yet this thread is a month old and nothing has happened.

Clearly it was okay to alter the plot without confirming it still made sense. Clearly it’s not a high priority fix, if it’s even on the list of things to fix.

Conclusion: The plot just doesn’t matter much.

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

The plot of chapters 7 and 8 remain mixed up. You get references to events that no longer happened, reunions with people you haven’t met, revelations to mysteries that haven’t been introduced.

This NEEDS to be fixed.

I think this is the result of players complaining that ANet has a habbit of introducing new characters, and then killing them off instantly, before we’ve even had time to forge an emotional bond that truly forces us to morn their loss. But erasing characters, deleting memorises, and stealing adventures, is not the solution to this problem. Rework it if you must, change, lengthen, or even add new instances, to forge that connection that they have been lacking, to right whatever is wrong with them; but you should NEVER trash permanant story content, as if it were yesterdays fodder to be fed to the furnace, especially not when it drives so much of the storyline and character development, when it touches so man players. You have made a critical mistake, so please, at least converse with us on this issue.

They’re just like Rockstar Games now. They created cool games, cashed in, then turned into the evil empire.

Hey there, dear communications team, any stick for us to gnaw on?

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

…introducing new characters, and then killing them off instantly…

The time players spend with Lionguard Apatia is brief, but it’s clear from the existence of this thread that people still did manage to care about these characters. We did not silently sit by as this plot was removed (whether or not the removal was intentional).

The loss of Apatia or the others is a part of the lives and stories of our characters. It is one of if not the only mistake our characters are able to make in the story. Without ever making mistakes, our characters are flat and not believable.

That’s not even mentioning that the fact that everything is out of order, and that the removal of Greatest Fear is a big part of that. That makes the story incomprehensible as well as not believable.

OtakuModeEngage.8679:

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

The plot of chapters 7 and 8 remain mixed up. You get references to events that no longer happened, reunions with people you haven’t met, revelations to mysteries that haven’t been introduced.

This NEEDS to be fixed.

I can’t imagine how they could not want to fix this.

Mr Snotty Pants.3980:

The plot of chapters 7 and 8 remain mixed up. You get references to events that no long happened, reunions with people you haven’t met, revelations to mysteries that haven’t been introduced.

It’s a mess. Worse, it’s obvious when you play these chapters. And yet this thread is a month old and nothing has happened.

Clearly it was okay to alter the plot without confirming it still made sense. Clearly it’s not a high priority fix, if it’s even on the list of things to fix.

Conclusion: The plot just doesn’t matter much.

Okay, so maybe I can imagine how they could not want to fix this, but I can’t bring myself to think this is really where we are with the game now.

Asmodeus.5782:

Hey there, dear communications team, any stick for us to gnaw on?

I really feel like this thread is a prime example of how saying even just a little would temper our expectations. If we were told “Greatest Fear isn’t coming back because it was too sad/because we had to mirror China/because it was too confusing(lol)” then we’d be upset but eventually we’d put on our sunglasses and “deal with it” I guess.

If you’re going for some kind of Tarantino-style “we meet again” and then later “nice to meet you” time-twisted storytelling, let us know that (hey, I love his movies after all)! Right now the story doesn’t make it clear that that’s your intention though, and it’s really confusing…

But right now, everyone in this thread is speculating and guessing and hoping that this is on your radar, that you are aware of it, and that the Greatest Fear removal is one of the “Plot holes and story inconsistencies that may have been introduced with story realignment” you mentioned here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Changes-Coming-to-the-NPE/first

If your thinking is that “it is obvious” whether or not this is included in that, then please humor us by letting us know which, because we can’t tell anymore.

And if you’re not sure what to do about it, let us know that it’s a really tough issue for you guys and that you’re not sure how best to proceed. I have to say that I think the suggestions other users in this thread have been excellent ideas though and might be a great place to start. I’m a fan of adding as many Level 80 chapters as you need to the end of the story myself. It shows that the game doesn’t end at level 80, rather that level 80 is just the beginning of your character’s epic struggle and journey.

I really love Guild Wars 2. I said it at the start of this thread and have maintained faith and loyalty to you guys throughout. I cannot believe as some users suggest that this is the end, but the silence makes it so disheartening and makes it harder and harder to think anything else other than that…

…please consider revising your policy of silence (in general). It does well against the “omg broken promises” crowd (which could also be solved by a simple blanket disclaimer) but does more harm than good toward reasonable fans like the ones in this thread.

Thank you,
A concerned fan

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The time players spend with Lionguard Apatia is brief, but it’s clear from the existence of this thread that people still did manage to care about these characters. We did not silently sit by as this plot was removed (whether or not the removal was intentional).

The loss of Apatia or the others is a part of the lves and stories of our characters. It is one of if not the only mistake our characters are able to make in the story. Without ever making mistakes, our characters are flat and not believable.

That’s not even mentioning that the fact that everything is out of order, and that the removal of Greatest Fear is a big part of that. That makes the story incomprehensible as well as not believable.
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Oh no, I completely agree, and have said as much myself. I was simply posting what might have been their reasoning for making this choice. Though, even if that was there reason, the way it was handled was unacceptable. If it truly was a problem to be fixed with the story, one doesn’t acomplish that by simply gutting it.

I really feel like this thread is a prime example of how saying even just a little would temper our expectations. If we were told “Greatest Fear isn’t coming back because it was too sad/because we had to mirror China/because it was too confusing(lol)” then we’d be upset but eventually we’d put on our sunglasses and “deal with it” I guess.

Right now the story doesn’t make it clear that that’s your intention though, and it’s really confusing…

Everyone in this thread is speculating and guessing and hoping that this is on your radar, that you are aware of it, and that the Greatest Fear removal is one of the “Plot holes and story inconsistencies that may have been introduced with story realignment” you mentioned here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Changes-Coming-to-the-NPE/first

If your thinking is that “it is obvious” whether or not this is included in that, then please humor us by letting us know which, because we can’t tell anymore.

And if you’re not sure what to do about it, let us know that it’s a really tough issue for you guys and that you’re not sure how best to proceed. I have to say that I think the suggestions other users in this thread have been excellent ideas though and might be a great place to start. I’m a fan of adding as many Level 80 chapters as you need to the end of the story myself. It shows that the game doesn’t end at level 80, rather that level 80 is just the beginning of your character’s epic struggle and journey.

I really love Guild Wars 2. I said it at the start of this thread and have maintained faith and loyalty to you guys throughout. I cannot believe as some users suggest that this is the end, but the silence makes it so disheartening and makes it harder and harder to think anything else other than that…

…please consider revising your policy of silence (in general). It does well against the “omg broken promises” crowd (which could also be solved by a simple blanket disclaimer) but does more harm than good toward reasonable fans like the ones in this thread.

Thank you,
A concerned fan

Honestly my favorite answer would be, “we are going to revert the story back to how it used to be,” or even “while the Orr chapters will remain in their new order(because we think that’s better), we will return the ‘my greatest fear’ plotline, and patch the orr chapters to remove the inconsitances and help the new order flow better,” which is not the answer I want to hear, but is acceptable. Even stating my greatest fear, which is that the “‘my greatest fear’ plotline will NOT return”, is better than nothing, at least then we know its removal was planned and not a bug, at least then we know your stand on the issue. You can even add that “Our decision may change”, or “a fix may take a while”, so that we do not get our hopes up when it takes a long time to come, or is cancealed all together. Even such statements as, “we need to gauge more customers oppions on the matter before we decide”, or “we are uncertain, but are talking about what to do with this matter” would applease our concerns, if not amend them. Just talk to us, that’s all we ask. Give this matter the proper attension it demands, our concerns the proper respect.

I haven’t been following this for a while. Have they even said whether the changes were intentional or not yet?

They have even introduced an airship trip to Orr instead of smooth transition we had beforehand. I fail to see how this could be done by accident.

Asmodeus.5782:

They have even introduced an airship trip to Orr instead of smooth transition we had beforehand. I fail to see how this could be done by accident.

Well, to be honest, I thought it was odd when they appeared at first not to know if it was a bug or an intentional change. I seem to remember someone from ANet saying that it was being looked into, or something to that effect.

It would stretch all credibility at this point to have us believe that— after all this time has elapsed— they still don’t know if it was intentional. Obviously, they have to know by now.

I was just curious as to whether they’ve actually informed the players yet.

Asmodeus.5782:

They have even introduced an airship trip to Orr instead of smooth transition we had beforehand. I fail to see how this could be done by accident.

To clarify this matter, ANet did post prior to reoranging chapter 7 and 8, that they would do so; so that part is confirmed intentional. They never stated however, that they would completely remove the ‘my greatest fear’ plotline, nor have they confirmed that it was intentional since doing so. They appear reluctent to comment on the matter…

why dont you send them a physical letter about it in the post? sometimes they can do wonders

I’m still waiting for the story order to be resolved for the later chapters. So we don’t meet characters earlier than we should. ArenaNet said they would resolve this, I have no idea if they have done it or not. It wasn’t listed in any wiki game updates notes.

I still feel having the story in chapters up to Claw Island is fine but I would prefer the old way after Claw Island to resolve the story order issue. If its possibly to resolve the problem with the new chapter system, I’ll be fine with it too.

I haven’t done story in a while because I know most of the paths and stories.

Especially after the levelling experience change which to me is still completely silly, I haven’t really touched it.

But hearing that they rearranged story lines and cutting whole chapters. I dunno what they are doing anymore. It seems it was a good choice to not do personal story anymore after. This mess just makes me sad.

Seriously to me that feels like someone taking a knife to a museum and vandalizing and swapping around several artworks. To me it feels they treated the whole thing with little respect.

Btw, the reason they swapped stuff around, to me, seems was because this was each “chapter” is themed to one thing now. Because the update notes read this:

Story Chapters:

Personal story steps have been more clearly broken up into chapters that unlock every 10 levels so that each chapter can be played through immediately once it’s unlocked. Players that were already partway through a chapter may find themselves underleveled for any of the story chapters or overleveled for some of the chapter 7 and 8 steps that have moved.

Chapter Focus:

Chapter 7 is now focused on helping Trahearne cleanse Orr.
Chapter 8 is now focused on defeating Zhaitan.

Even in a book this wouldn’t make sense, as ALL the other things happen in chronological order. You can’t just switch out story instances just so chapters are themed! …Themed.. .. like.. what.. the ..hell xD Not to mention the dialogue discrepancies and other plotholes, because the whole thing was designed to be played in chronological order.

I dunno what I can say to this but burying my face in my hands because someone has NOT thought this through enough. And I feel stupid enough to trust them to not do something this silly. T_T

minbariguy.7504:

I haven’t been following this for a while. Have they even said whether the changes were intentional or not yet?

Don’t think so.

Crud. I did Forging the Pact on an alt last night and it jumped straight to Battle of Fort Trinity from there. I thought that because I’d already left the guys on Forging the Pact before the PS change went in, they’d still progress normally onto the “My Greatest Fear” storyline. Seems that isn’t the case.

Guess everybody’s on hold until we get more info from ANet about what they’re planning to do about this.

Zaxares.5419:

Crud. I did Forging the Pact on an alt last night and it jumped straight to Battle of Fort Trinity from there. I thought that because I’d already left the guys on Forging the Pact before the PS change went in, they’d still progress normally onto the “My Greatest Fear” storyline. Seems that isn’t the case.

Guess everybody’s on hold until we get more info from ANet about what they’re planning to do about this.

It should have been the case, though. So you must have been on Retribution or under level 70 when the changes went through.

seriously anet, inform us of SOMETHING, some verification that you’re at least trying to fix both this and the giant plot holes in the rest of the story. i can’t even play most of my characters because i want to finish their stories before i do most of the other activities, and there’s no way in hell i’m going through this messed up and bore-ified story. please fix it, or at the very least tell us you’re working on it

Edit: to clarify, when i say fix, i don’t mean slap a bandaid of altered or added conversations, or just adding it back into the story journal but not the actual playable story. i mean revert it back. it was never confusing before, so why make it confusing to try and make it less confusing?

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Zaxares.5419:

Crud. I did Forging the Pact on an alt last night and it jumped straight to Battle of Fort Trinity from there. I thought that because I’d already left the guys on Forging the Pact before the PS change went in, they’d still progress normally onto the “My Greatest Fear” storyline. Seems that isn’t the case.

Guess everybody’s on hold until we get more info from ANet about what they’re planning to do about this.

It should have been the case, though. So you must have been on Retribution or under level 70 when the changes went through.

Yeah, the alt (and all but one of my alts, in fact) were up to Forging the Pact (i.e. it was the current Personal Story step). It seems that the grandfather system only worked if you had actually progressed PAST that point and triggered the old steps for “My Greatest Fear”.

This is really, REALLY bad for me as I’ve been very slow in completing my Personal Story, and I’ve never met Sayeh or Tonn or got to see what happened to Apatia. I really don’t want to go forward anymore for fear of losing the ability to personally see how the story played out.

It blows my mind that ANEt is hyping up it’s Living Story after screwing up the Personal Story.

I wonder if there’s a way we can get Gaile’s attention on this thread. (She’s been quite active today!) Other than a short post by Jeffrey over a month ago, there’s been no further feedback or information about this from the devs.

Gaile, if you see this, would it be possible for you to let us know if the devs are aware of our dissatisfaction with the later chapters of the Personal Story? And if yes, are there any plans in the works to remedy the situation or reincorporate the missing steps? There are a lot of us now who are afraid to finish our Personal Story because we do not want to potentially miss out on being able to see for ourselves some of the pivotal events that leads up to the invasion of Orr.

Zaxares.5419:

I wonder if there’s a way we can get Gaile’s attention on this thread. (She’s been quite active today!) Other than a short post by Jeffrey over a month ago, there’s been no further feedback or information about this from the devs.

Gaile, if you see this, would it be possible for you to let us know if the devs are aware of our dissatisfaction with the later chapters of the Personal Story? And if yes, are there any plans in the works to remedy the situation or reincorporate the missing steps? There are a lot of us now who are afraid to finish our Personal Story because we do not want to potentially miss out on being able to see for ourselves some of the pivotal events that leads up to the invasion of Orr.

truthfully, i think at this point they don’t care anymore. its been a month since the release of the “revamped” story, there’s been nothing but hate and unhappiness about it, and all they’ve done is say “we’re working on it”. i know its not easy to code stuff, but in this case, they know what it used to be, it shouldnt be taking them this long to “fix” it.

I’ve logged in onto my Necro a few days ago. I’m a one lucky kitten.

Asmodeus.5782:

I’ve logged in onto my Necro a few days ago. I’m a one lucky kitten.

were you already on that whole arc, or did you get to that arc after doing the section before? would be really annoyed if they stealth patched this without telling anyone

I’ve started it before removal, it was already in progress…

Lucky! I’m pretty sure I had just been asked by the Pale Tree what my fear was. From what I understand, that does not count as having ‘started’ that plot line.

It bums me out cause I’ve only seen one of the 3 different quests.

I was lucky enough to do all 3 at least once (although I was on like my 4th playthrough before I realised that the Pale Tree’s options relate to a storyline later on >.>), but not lucky enough to get everyone all the way to Zhaitan before the changes kicked in. Still in limbo.

Has there been any word at all?

Lady Elvea.2847:

Has there been any word at all?

Recently, no.

Can we perhaps expect something on this in the update today or will it continue to remain untouched in the hopes of being forgotten? Which it won’t by any self-respecting player who sees past the MMO in the acronym and notices the RPG as well?

At least do something about the duplicate Temple of the Forgotten God in the journal, I mean by the Alchemy, that is so embarassing.

Wait. ANET removed story? I had no idea. The Setember patch has me completely disgusted with trying to level my alts in PvE/PS. I see I have even more reasons not to bother now. This was one of the more interesting paths in the PS in my opinion. What are you doing ANET???

I hold out a dim hope — probably easier to fix this while they’re working on similar content and dealing with art/voice assets.

A very dim hope…

Nope. Kind of amazing: Big plot messes, final 2 chapters of the personal story, and somehow not a priority.

If they don’t care about this story, why should we?

Well, I’m partially giving up on this getting fixed.

I had been avoiding playing my 4 permanent characters who are below level 70 because I didn’t want to risk getting locked into the new story if it was fixed later on. But I’m fed up with waiting so I’ve decided to play them (and level them) anyway.

I still won’t do the story because I have absolutely no interest in playing through it in its current state, but I don’t want to avoid playing 4 of my characters indefinitely.

SERIOUSLY Anet?? You had a nice shot to fix the personal story with this update and you didn’t take it? Starting to think you all are turning into PWE and just care about nothing but money, not realizing that alot of your current playerbase is LEAVING or spending NO MONEY because you won’t fix something that kept some of them ingame.

Yeah idk what’s the deal here.
ArenaNet should respond regarding this matter…

I wager it’s a difficult fix to do, so I didn’t expect it, though I do find it weird they haven’t responded to it at all. I just hope it means they’re cracking their head about it, but either way it’s guessing in the dark.

FrizzFreston.5290:

I wager it’s a difficult fix to do, so I didn’t expect it, though I do find it weird they haven’t responded to it at all. I just hope it means they’re cracking their head about it, but either way it’s guessing in the dark.

Admittedly I’m not a programmer or a developer, but with my limited understanding it seems like some of the suggestions should be relatively easy to implement.

The simplest being to revert the entire story back to the way it was, with instances unlocking gradually instead of in chunks.

More complicated but probably a good compromise would be to return it to the original order with the missing story arc re-added, but keep it separated into chapters. Either 2 slightly longer ones at level 70 and level 80 or two level 80 chapters (which I actually think would be a good way of reinforcing the idea that this game is not about hitting the level cap and then dropping everything to do something different – you hit the cap and you continue with your story as you were doing before).

I can’t imagine how even that would take 2 months to do, even if the same people had other things to do and had to work on it around that.

I assume either they don’t consider there to be any problems with it and therefore have no intention of ever fixing it or the hold-up is people at Anet trying to agree on how to fix it. This is obviously an intentional change, not a bug, so at least some people at Anet thought it was a good idea, even if they now understand why we don’t like it and agree it should be changed they may not agree on how.

Greatest Fear you could just put back, and fix the related plot issues. The content still exists.

Source of Orr is harder. You need to shuffle the NPCs at the start (to avoid the haven’t met Sayeh al’Rajihd yet type issues) and probably switch the boss (so the Eye reveal doesn’t come before the Eye investigations).

Doesn’t that cover most of the plot troubles?

Danikat.8537:

FrizzFreston.5290:

I wager it’s a difficult fix to do, so I didn’t expect it, though I do find it weird they haven’t responded to it at all. I just hope it means they’re cracking their head about it, but either way it’s guessing in the dark.

Admittedly I’m not a programmer or a developer, but with my limited understanding it seems like some of the suggestions should be relatively easy to implement.

The simplest being to revert the entire story back to the way it was, with instances unlocking gradually instead of in chunks.

More complicated but probably a good compromise would be to return it to the original order with the missing story arc re-added, but keep it separated into chapters. Either 2 slightly longer ones at level 70 and level 80 or two level 80 chapters (which I actually think would be a good way of reinforcing the idea that this game is not about hitting the level cap and then dropping everything to do something different – you hit the cap and you continue with your story as you were doing before).

I can’t imagine how even that would take 2 months to do, even if the same people had other things to do and had to work on it around that.

I assume either they don’t consider there to be any problems with it and therefore have no intention of ever fixing it or the hold-up is people at Anet trying to agree on how to fix it. This is obviously an intentional change, not a bug, so at least some people at Anet thought it was a good idea, even if they now understand why we don’t like it and agree it should be changed they may not agree on how.

I wouldn’t ever suggest it’s an easy thing to do, as I still remember all the story bugs early on release that some players did have while others were completely fine. Re-fiddling with the story may as well be an immense task.

Simply reverting it sounds like exactly wrong thing to do as well, as to me this change was obviously not thought about into too great detail. It would be much better to actually fix it right right away, rather than run into troubles while simply reverting it.
Not even to mention bugs that would slip in again.

Danikat.8537:

FrizzFreston.5290:

I wager it’s a difficult fix to do, so I didn’t expect it, though I do find it weird they haven’t responded to it at all. I just hope it means they’re cracking their head about it, but either way it’s guessing in the dark.

Admittedly I’m not a programmer or a developer, but with my limited understanding it seems like some of the suggestions should be relatively easy to implement.

The simplest being to revert the entire story back to the way it was, with instances unlocking gradually instead of in chunks.

More complicated but probably a good compromise would be to return it to the original order with the missing story arc re-added, but keep it separated into chapters. Either 2 slightly longer ones at level 70 and level 80 or two level 80 chapters (which I actually think would be a good way of reinforcing the idea that this game is not about hitting the level cap and then dropping everything to do something different – you hit the cap and you continue with your story as you were doing before).

I can’t imagine how even that would take 2 months to do, even if the same people had other things to do and had to work on it around that.

I assume either they don’t consider there to be any problems with it and therefore have no intention of ever fixing it or the hold-up is people at Anet trying to agree on how to fix it. This is obviously an intentional change, not a bug, so at least some people at Anet thought it was a good idea, even if they now understand why we don’t like it and agree it should be changed they may not agree on how.

I think that if they are going to reintroduce the Greatest Fear arc, they will have to fit it into their new chapter framework. So even though I myself have used the phrase “revert” for what I want, I realize that there would have to be some chapter-ization work done to it to make that work/happen. So far I agree with all the users who have posted here suggesting that having multiple level 80 chapters at the end is a fine solution. Reaching level 80 should feel like the beginning of the game. Not the end. Greatest Fear should return and should be right where it was before (just worked to fit the new chapter format) in my opinion.

FrizzFreston.5290:

I wouldn’t ever suggest it’s an easy thing to do, as I still remember all the story bugs early on release that some players did have while others were completely fine. Re-fiddling with the story may as well be an immense task.

Simply reverting it sounds like exactly wrong thing to do as well, as to me this change was obviously not thought about into too great detail. It would be much better to actually fix it right right away, rather than run into troubles while simply reverting it.
Not even to mention bugs that would slip in again.

This. If they do bring it back, I want it to be as good as it was before (and it was perfectly fine before). I don’t have a problem with their taking their time to do it right, but I’m starting to get confused about how long we have been here without so much as knowing if this is even on their radar as “being a thing” or not.

AlienMenace.7516:

Reaching level 80 should feel like the beginning of the game. Not the end.

The real story should begin AFTER max level, like in GW1. That was one of the things people STILL love about that game.

AlienMenace.7516:

This. If they do bring it back, I want it to be as good as it was before (and it was perfectly fine before). I don’t have a problem with their taking their time to do it right, but I’m starting to get confused about how long we have been here without so much as knowing if this is even on their radar as “being a thing” or not.

^This. This right here is the major beef I have with communication at the moment. If ANet has decided that they like the new story setup and they have no plans to change it, fine. I’ll deal with it one way or another and I can move on. But right we have no idea if they’re even aware of our complaints, let alone if something will be done about it. We really just need someone to come out and give us an answer one way or another.