Guild Wars 2

For example, look two post above where he said, “It’s fueling a greedy, leaching attitude.” That’s quite a glass half empty point of view and I completely disagree. Maybe, it enhances sharing and cooperation! Fore magic find is simply the BEST gear to accomplish the goal of obtain items. Which, is mostly why we’re even in a dungeon, for treasure. Now, Explorers and Knights are equal in power and precision. It’s designed to easily switch between the two sets without a DPS loss. You should be building a party with at least one in explorers, that swaps to knights if and when needed. Afterwards, share all the loot equally. That’s what Guild banks are for.

Magic Find is an unshared stat, that’s the problem. The character with MF gear gets more rewards, the other party members do not.

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Seriously Does magic find even work, i added it to my Engineer and got nothing at all special drop after an hour, then i went on my no magic find character and got a few rares dropped after an hour?

I see nothing in magic find to warrant using it above anything else, i also firmly believe magic find is busted all to hell and is not working at all any more..

shambo.3842:

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Each player contributes to a TEAM. kittening yourself is kittening the TEAM.

its the carrot infront of the horse and you are the horse and anet is the carrot.

Jasher.6580:

shambo.3842:

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Each player contributes to a TEAM. kittening yourself is kittening the TEAM.

If you start playing a casual game with that attitude, you will most likely not enjoy it.

Then again, if Anet took MF gear out of the game, it would not affect the casuals at all, but the more dedicated players were a little happier

Thats my 2 cents, lol

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

If you start playing a casual game with that attitude, you will most likely not enjoy it.

This is easily the most ridiculous rebuttal on the topic I’ve ever heard. So basically you’re saying it’s a casual game focused on casual performance. So balance and gaming etiquette has no place in this game?

That’s good, so you wouldn’t mind running with a part who decides not to wear any gear whatsoever… bar a white level 1 weapon so they can activate their skills? Also, no traits… traits are stupid. Pulling up that pain breaks their immersion.

You don’t need gear to clear a dungeon. It can be done (it actually can). It may take an hour or 2 long… but who cares? You can’t tell people how to play. They like wearing white weapons… white symbolizes purity. It’s how they enjoy playing.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

1) I run in guild but I still use MF .. No one complains because I get the job done

That’s all that needs said. There’s nothing that irritates me more than Gearmongers who demand a full exotic set to participate in dungeon running. Funny how that first Fractal group I ran with still doesn’t know I was wearing two pieces of level 74 mastercraft armor, lol.

shambo.3842:

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Then players should have the option to check people’s gear, because you know…since you can’t tell anyone how they are supposed to play the game you can’t force anyone to invite MFers if they don’t want to. You contradict yourself.

Easy fix, inspect feature.

Sleepy.2647:

shambo.3842:

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Then players should have the option to check people’s gear, because you know…since you can’t tell anyone how they are supposed to play the game you can’t force anyone to invite MFers if they don’t want to.

Easy fix, inspect feature.

And continue fostering an elitist dungeon crawl mentality based entirely on ignorance? No thanks.

JarekCyphus.7068:

And continue fostering an elitist dungeon crawl mentality based entirely on ignorance? No thanks.

Ignorance is arguing that wearing full MF gear is fine and doesn’t make your team any worse.
Either way, isn’t it like that after all? I bet you wouldn’t group up with lvls 10 to do Fractals, how is that any different?
I rarely see anyone asking for full exotic gear to run dungeons, funny thing is that even green gear is much superior to exotic MF gear.

Although a handful of folks tested MF relentlessly for a few weeks straight, and noticed it did not improve their drops at all, being 100% each of MF. They think, and I agree to them, that MF is just another tool for coin sinking in game. I thought it should be removed entirely, do to it wasteing an important stat slot, and the chance of players with MF getting the first choice of rares and exotics off the loot table vs someone with no MF at all.

But I thought about it for a good while, and I came up with a conclusion.

What if MF was only used as a buff only. Kinda like how the banners work. The buff will autoactivate when you get in a group. That way it could lead to players grouping more often. All of us in the group get the MF buff, and we still have our important stat slots.

Sleepy.2647:

JarekCyphus.7068:

And continue fostering an elitist dungeon crawl mentality based entirely on ignorance? No thanks.

Ignorance is arguing that wearing full MF gear is fine and doesn’t make your team any worse.
Either way, isn’t it like that after all? I bet you wouldn’t group up with lvls 10 to do Fractals, how is that any different?
I rarely see anyone asking for full exotic gear to run dungeons, funny thing is that even green gear is much superior to exotic MF gear.

I’ve run FotM in both MF gear and Pow/Pre gear, and the result is the same every time: situational awareness keeps myself and my team alive. Our skills get us through it, not our gear.

Trying to even compare level 10 players to level 80s wearing MF is a silly argument, by the way. Not even comparable.

JarekCyphus.7068:

I’ve run FotM in both MF gear and Pow/Pre gear, and the result is the same every time: situational awareness keeps myself and my team alive. Our skills get us through it, not our gear.

Trying to even compare level 10 players to level 80s wearing MF is a silly argument, by the way. Not even comparable.

The result is the same? Don’t tell me jokes please… Run the same 5 players with everyone using MF gear and then do it with proper gear, the result will be the same…“dungeon completed”, the difficulty and time spent won’t be the same.

The fact is i have full MF gear, wearing it halves my damage output.
I didn’t compare lvls 10 with MF players, but how is it any different choosing to not want MFers than not wanting lvls 10 in your group?

JarekCyphus.7068:

Funny how that first Fractal group I ran with still doesn’t know I was wearing two pieces of level 74 mastercraft armor, lol.

snickers to self

“These guys have no idea that these encounters would be a lot easier for everyone if I was wearing better gear.”… haha… no way for them to tell really… and I’m getting RICHER with my magic find gear too… accomplished look on face

let me post this on the forums to prove a non existent point

For the record… leaving the truth unexposed only propagates ignorance. It doesn’t make bad players better, it only protects them. Under-performing in the name of “freedom” while engaging in a group activity is a funny way of looking at things… since you are in essence encroaching on the time of 4 other real life people.

Sleepy.2647:

shambo.3842:

my opinion of magic find. I don’t care if you run magic find or if you don’t, its up to you.

play the game how you want to I really hate these threads about how your supposed to play the game or what to wear or whatever.

its a game people try having fun. quit stressing out about what other people do

Then players should have the option to check people’s gear, because you know…since you can’t tell anyone how they are supposed to play the game you can’t force anyone to invite MFers if they don’t want to. You contradict yourself.

Easy fix, inspect feature.

lol how do I contradict myself by saying I don’t care if people run magicfind? and to play the game how they want to?

and oh yes please add a inspect feature so u can waste your time looking for that perfect team. ..NOT

hey I found a 5th member to run fractals level 34…..inspects gear nope im not taking him, his ring has magic find on it…..spends another hour looking for someone at level 34

You know for my level 80 character I have two sets of armor, one for WvW & Dungeons and one for PvE which is stated to the hilt for farming. If I want to take my farming gear into a dungeon to help YOU get the tokens you desperately need but I don’t really care about and make my time worth while, what do you care?

The ONLY things that matter for dungeon groups is 1. everyone carries their weight and 2. everyone is pleasant or better yet, entertaining.

shambo.3842:

lol how do I contradict myself by saying I don’t care if people run magicfind? and to play the game how they want to?

and oh yes please add a inspect feature so u can waste your time looking for that perfect team. ..NOT

hey I found a 5th member to run fractals level 34…..inspects gear nope im not taking him, his ring has magic find on it…..spends another hour looking for someone at level 34

You contradict yourself simply because that defeats completely the argument of “you can’t tell anyone how they should play”. So why should you tell people they have to spend 30 mins more doing a dungeon because they refuse to wear normal gear?

Yeah, how hard it must be to find the “perfect team”. /Inspect, no MF gear…welcome to the group. Even green gear is better than exotic MF. I’d like to see how many of you actually have exotic MF gear and not just green jewerly/rare armor which is quite common to see.
People is only afraid of inspect feature because they can’t lie anymore, as i said i’ve yet to see many people who asks for exotic gear.

It amuses me that Sleepy only does 1/2 damage in his full MF set when no-one else is saying that. Maybe Sleepy needs to get a MF set which optimises his offensive stats.

Also, the dev’s have stated that they have added a loot-boost to players on rewards from chests based on their % MF and we have leet pro’s like Sleepy and Jasher who want to nerf those rewards for the whole team just to satisfy themselves. Nevermind that some classes have to work twice as hard as rolfstomp warriors to come close in terms of damage. Time to get of your high-horses, gents.

Sleepy.2647:

shambo.3842:

lol how do I contradict myself by saying I don’t care if people run magicfind? and to play the game how they want to?

and oh yes please add a inspect feature so u can waste your time looking for that perfect team. ..NOT

hey I found a 5th member to run fractals level 34…..inspects gear nope im not taking him, his ring has magic find on it…..spends another hour looking for someone at level 34

You contradict yourself simply because that defeats completely the argument of “you can’t tell anyone how they should play”. So why should you tell people they have to spend 30 mins more doing a dungeon because they refuse to wear normal gear?

Yeah, how hard it must be to find the “perfect team”. /Inspect, no MF gear…welcome to the group. Even green gear is better than exotic MF. I’d like to see how many of you actually have exotic MF gear and not just green jewerly/rare armor which is quite common to see.
People is only afraid of inspect feature because they can’t lie anymore, as i said i’ve yet to see many people who asks for exotic gear.

I’d like an Inspect trait for ignorant players. That way I can make sure no one with this mind set ends up in my group.

Funky.4861:

It amuses me that Sleepy only does 1/2 damage in his full MF set when no-one else is saying that. Maybe Sleepy needs to get a MF set which optimises his offensive stats.

I actually have explorer MF gear, probably not 50% dps loss but 30%+ without a doubt compared to berseker gear, if you compare it to any other kind of MF gear the result will be the same…a tanky build not so tanky or whatever you build into.

TabMorte.5297:

I’d like an Inspect trait for ignorant players. That way I can make sure no one with this mind set ends up in my group.

How strange…stuff like this is only been said about people who uses MF gear for dungeons.

I hate magic find. It’s a sign of how cash starved everyone is getting.

A friend of mine was telling me he wanted to craft a weapon that needed 350 charged lodestones. Not an epic, not an ascended, just a nice looking hammer.

The price of a charged lodestone is at least a gold….how can this be a good thing?

Sleepy> I share loot with my guildies (we all do) and anyone else I party up with, and also come loaded up with foods and potions which which I’m always happy to share and more than make up for any buffs and add more for everyone and as I already said, I run two sets of gear at this point, one with one without, but I’ll be the one who decides which I wear at any given time, not anyone else.

Shall we start a rant next about how people who use their solo skills in dungeons are selfish too because they’re only buffing themselves and not the whole party? Oh maybe people who are playing Elementalists are not suitable party mates either cause they’re squishy?

You’re idea that there’s ONLY ONE WAY to support the party is frankly wrong. As I said there are only two things that are important in a dungeon – that everyone helps and that everyone has fun.

So maybe next time you’ll miss out on a player that knows the dungeon you’re doing super well and could guide your group through it with out needing to be buffed to the eyeballs and everyone could have gotten more loot? You’ll never know.

You do that with your guild/friends, but do you realize not everyone plays like that? There are random groups, which probably is the majority of players so you can’t base your personal experience on the real matter.

You are obviously the one who decides what to wear, just like people should decide if they want to group with you or not. Is it fair that you get to choose and others don’t? That’s a weird definition of “fair”.

Skills on the player don’t matter on this topic, but by what you are saying…if i want to choose to play without gear i should be able to play with you since it’s my choice. Or as someone else said, i could use lvl 1 armor/weapon because i want to and you shouldn’t complain since it’s my choice as well.

What would you do if someone joins your party and plays with their character ungeared? I bet you would kick him…why would you? Isn’t it his choice? These arguments are a joke, and it’s a bad attempt to defend the statement of wearing full MF gear in long dungeons like Fractals.

Merthax.5172:

Magic find should be the stat bonus that has ascended gears have over exotics: ascended stats = exotic stats + MF.

Lower tiered gear shouldn’t have MF at all. It should be replaced with something else.

As others have noted, this is far and away preferable to the increase in primary stats. However, Anet has embarked on the treadmill of vertical progression and your solution doesn’t provide that. Good idea though.

I dislike MF as a concept and even more so as it has been implemented in GW2.

Why should I and others undertake a dungeon or other content with the best gear and compensate for someone else who has everything with MF. If people want to nerf themselves for opportunity of better loot fine, just do not hamstring me

We have to get something straight here…the people saying that MF gear is selfish? You guys are -displaying that very same form of selfishness-.

You say its unfair dungeon runs take longer because a guy is in MF gear? That’s completely different from saying a guy should give up the chance of better loot because -you- want an easier time, I’m sure.

And don’t give me that “for the good of the group!!!” crap, because the group is made up of everyone in it. -Including- the guy in MF who is doing the dungeon for loot, and not for tokens/ascended/whatever your personal goal is.

Valmarius.4150:

the guy in MF who is doing the dungeon for loot, and not for tokens/ascended/whatever your personal goal is.

As long as the whole team agrees with having people using MF who gives a kitten. But, you should not be forced to play with them if you don’t want to, period. And that’s the issue.
If you like to use MF in dungeons…fine, but do it with people who doesn’t care about it. There are plenty of MFers, you could make full MF parties…not a big deal, drops everywhere!

The current situation looks like this:
“Could you please use normal gear, we are having a hard time doing this fractal”
Answer: “I play good, i will keep using MF gear because i’m good and my stats are the same, plus i get a lot of exotics and rares”.
You have to stick to it and bend over, since you can’t just kick him and invite someone else
That’s the definition of being selfish. It was an example, but i’ve seen it happen a few times myself where the player simply refuses to use normal gear even after dying plenty of times.

dear elitist,
it has come to my attention that im not playing the game how you want me to. this makes me very sad knowing this. so to help my self feel better im giving you the chance to send me a check for the amount I paid for guildwars 2. then I promise ill start playing the game just like u want. ill even let u look under my dress just to make sure im wearing the right underwear

Funky.4861:

Also, the dev’s have stated that they have added a loot-boost to players on rewards from chests based on their % MF and we have leet pro’s like Sleepy and Jasher who want to nerf those rewards for the whole team just to satisfy themselves. Nevermind that some classes have to work twice as hard as rolfstomp warriors to come close in terms of damage. Time to get of your high-horses, gents.

Honestly, this statement alone is a clear indicator than you have absolutely no idea how magic find works. None. Warriors doing 28-30k hundredblade damage in PvE has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

TabMorte.5297:

Sleepy> I share loot with my guildies (we all do) and anyone else I party up with

You are either lying or wait… no you’re lying. Guildies maybe… everyone you party up with? Lies. You just don’t want your cash cow to die, so you jump on the forums to defend your deviant and greedy behaviour.

Jasher.6580:

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

If you start playing a casual game with that attitude, you will most likely not enjoy it.

This is easily the most ridiculous rebuttal on the topic I’ve ever heard. So basically you’re saying it’s a casual game focused on casual performance. So balance and gaming etiquette has no place in this game?

That’s good, so you wouldn’t mind running with a part who decides not to wear any gear whatsoever… bar a white level 1 weapon so they can activate their skills? Also, no traits… traits are stupid. Pulling up that pain breaks their immersion.

You don’t need gear to clear a dungeon. It can be done (it actually can). It may take an hour or 2 long… but who cares? You can’t tell people how to play. They like wearing white weapons… white symbolizes purity. It’s how they enjoy playing.

No sarcasm here, the answer to that is yes, I would not mind.
Besides the fact that no one would do that, you got the wrong attitude aswell

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

No sarcasm here, the answer to that is yes, I would not mind. Besides the fact that no one would do that, you got the wrong attitude as well

Maybe you’re the one with the “wrong attitude”… right or wrong is all a matter of perspective. I tip my hat to you for being okay with running with a naked player with a white weapon and no traits.

I however think it is a “wrong attitude” for someone to swap out stats which would only benefit them when engaging in team play.

Wrong attitude as in preventing you from enjoying this game without a preset group

There are tons of players out there who run sub optimal builds, nothing is ever going to change that.

I dream of a Tyria where people recognize that about 20% of their stats come from gear. Where people just relax their pretty kittens about gear and put that energy toward trying not to suck at playing instead.

I farmed Orr for a total of 3 hours today spread out over the day.

I started off with my full Magic Find set + Omnomberry Bar.

I found 1 rare items within my first 90 minutes.

Then I salvaged my entire Magic Find set.

I farmed later on with my normal gear + Omnomberry Bar.

I didn’t find a single rare item.

I do not regret my decision.

Magic Find is either not working or the loot system is severely bugged.

mulch.2586:

I dream of a Tyria where people recognize that about 20% of their stats come from gear. Where people just relax their pretty kittens about gear and put that energy toward trying not to suck at playing instead.

Translation:

“Hey guys, I know I’m contributing less, but it’s only a little less… please stop sucking while I collect my extra loot with my magic find gear.”

Jasher.6580:

mulch.2586:

I dream of a Tyria where people recognize that about 20% of their stats come from gear. Where people just relax their pretty kittens about gear and put that energy toward trying not to suck at playing instead.

Translation:

“Hey guys, I know I’m contributing less, but it’s only a little less… please stop sucking while I collect my extra loot with my magic find gear.”

That’s not at all what I’m saying. Rude.
I don’t wear MF in party play.

But I do understand the math of GW2, unlike the people who’re fixated on gear.

Fact of the matter is that we appear to get hit with DR so fast that magic find is a waste of time and coin beyond 15 to 20 minutes..
Anet seems to have stealth nerfed the drops again or have created yet another bug…

I seem to have equal if not better results with only a 26% lemon tart magic find as i had with 119% full magic gear with an omniberry bar..

Jasher.6580:

JarekCyphus.7068:

Funny how that first Fractal group I ran with still doesn’t know I was wearing two pieces of level 74 mastercraft armor, lol.

snickers to self

“These guys have no idea that these encounters would be a lot easier for everyone if I was wearing better gear.”… haha… no way for them to tell really… and I’m getting RICHER with my magic find gear too… accomplished look on face

let me post this on the forums to prove a non existent point

For the record… leaving the truth unexposed only propagates ignorance. It doesn’t make bad players better, it only protects them. Under-performing in the name of “freedom” while engaging in a group activity is a funny way of looking at things… since you are in essence encroaching on the time of 4 other real life people.

Funny how your only retort to an expression of one’s liberty to play how they will is to simply mock it, in the name of your personal time. Since you’re going to make that argument: What are you doing every time you deny a competent player in sub-optimal gear a position in a dungeon crawl? Not only are you wasting time, but you’re fostering a hostile community that makes running dungeons with you undesirable by anyone other than the other elitists who gravitate toward you. I’ve a reality check for you: it’s very lonely at the top.

If you’re honestly convinced that the stat disparity between a set of level 80 MF gear and a level 80 set of (in your opinion) optimal gear is so much that it creates a time spread of minutes (which it doesn’t), then you seriously need to re-evaluate your time spent in this game. This isn’t WoW. While gear is important for the HIGHEST difficulties (and only such) of dungeons, they’re completely irrelevant on the stepping stones toward becoming a dungeon crawler. If your only methodology is to surround yourself in the elitism of powergamers and glory hound your way to the top, then I spare no pity for you when they grow weary of the game’s stagnance, and all the “sub-optimally” geared players you forsook deny you your position in the queue.

Would truly be an ironic way to bring things full circle.

TabMorte.5297:

Sleepy> I share loot with my guildies (we all do) and anyone else I party up with, and also come loaded up with foods and potions which which I’m always happy to share and more than make up for any buffs and add more for everyone and as I already said, I run two sets of gear at this point, one with one without, but I’ll be the one who decides which I wear at any given time, not anyone else.

Shall we start a rant next about how people who use their solo skills in dungeons are selfish too because they’re only buffing themselves and not the whole party? Oh maybe people who are playing Elementalists are not suitable party mates either cause they’re squishy?

You’re idea that there’s ONLY ONE WAY to support the party is frankly wrong. As I said there are only two things that are important in a dungeon – that everyone helps and that everyone has fun.

So maybe next time you’ll miss out on a player that knows the dungeon you’re doing super well and could guide your group through it with out needing to be buffed to the eyeballs and everyone could have gotten more loot? You’ll never know.

This x 1000. Nail on the head.

Sleepy.2647:

JarekCyphus.7068:

I’ve run FotM in both MF gear and Pow/Pre gear, and the result is the same every time: situational awareness keeps myself and my team alive. Our skills get us through it, not our gear.

Trying to even compare level 10 players to level 80s wearing MF is a silly argument, by the way. Not even comparable.

The result is the same? Don’t tell me jokes please… Run the same 5 players with everyone using MF gear and then do it with proper gear, the result will be the same…“dungeon completed”, the difficulty and time spent won’t be the same.

The fact is i have full MF gear, wearing it halves my damage output.
I didn’t compare lvls 10 with MF players, but how is it any different choosing to not want MFers than not wanting lvls 10 in your group?

Stop making stuff up, Sleepy. Seriously. The time disparity is negligible. If a matter of a few minutes is that big of a deal for you, then you need to seriously re-evaluate the time you’re spending in a free to play game. Really. This crap needs to stop getting blown out of proportion that a player or two wearing full MF is creating a difference in tens of minutes for completion time, because it doesn’t.

Com’on, man.

If something is broken, then using it is irresponsible and stupid.

If something is irrational and pointless, focusing on it is again irresponsible and stupid

NO ONE, is asking for perfection and I certainly scoff at elitism in terms of gear but the argument of playing how they want is only valid so long as they’re not deliberately kittenING themselves and thus becoming a liability, pure conjurer elementalists, sure those weapons are useful but focusing complete on them is idiotic and only serves to hinder a group. pure signet warriors etc etc etc

They’re just bad builds and they should know it, and if they want to play said builds then they had best get used to being considered trolls and griefers. I have no problem running around the world in one set of traits and gear, but when it comes to teamplay I use what’s at my disposal and maximize my potential, if you don’t at least make an attempt to meet the needs of your group, then you don’t deserve to be in that group even IF they’re complete strangers.

I don’t whinge at people for not being max level, nor do they need great gear, but if they walk into a group encounter with the wrong tools and willingly so out of some stupid sense of novelty or whatnot, then I’ve no problem leaving or asking that they do for the sake of a group.

As for MF gear, if they can play around it that’s fine but generally it’s a bit counter intuitive to enter group content with such a self centric set of gear.

I think the most attracted part in GW2 is everyone can play in his own way. We don’t label some stupid “role” to players and no need to force them to do the “right thing”. Unless the dungeon is totally impossible for 5 MF-gear players, I think wearing MF gear to a dungeon should be OK.

tassadarpaladin.9610:

I think the most attracted part in GW2 is everyone can play in his own way. We don’t label some stupid “role” to players and no need to force them to do the “right thing”. Unless the dungeon is totally impossible for 5 MF-gear players, I think wearing MF gear to a dungeon should be OK.

I’m not sure if you are understanding the point. Playing our own way is all well and dandy. Nevertheless, if you are negatively impacting the experience of others then you aren’t allowing other people to play the way they want, which is efficiently.

Sleepy.2647:

I actually have explorer MF gear, probably not 50% dps loss but 30%+ without a doubt compared to berseker gear.

mulch.2586:

I dream of a Tyria where people recognize that about 20% of their stats come from gear.

These two posters cannot both be correct. Which one is, or are neither?

Edit: OK, back from fact-finding. The damage stats are weapon damage, power, precision and critical percentage.

On a level 80 Necro with no gear at all, but 30 points into the Power trait, the power stat was 1306. With gear added, 2241. Not 20%, then. An 80 elementalist, gearless and no points in the power trait, 916, with gear 1645. Not 20% there, either.

The Precision stat is the same on Berserker and Explorer gear. That’s a wash. The weapon damage is the same, so that’s a wash.

The Power difference between 80 Berserker Exotic and 80 Explorer Exotic is 91 from 6 armor pieces, 52 from 2 weapons, and 96 from 5 trinkets. The total is 239 points, or around 10 percent for the above necro, ~14.5% for the Ele.

The biggest difference is seen in the critical percentage stat., with Berserker providing 10% from two daggers, 11% from trinkets, and 16% from gear, for a total increase of 37%. Assume a generous 66.67% crit chance and a flat distribution on crit procs. That means the Berserker will do .67 * 37% or ~25% more damage. If crit chance is 50% (more doable, for more people), then the increase is about 18.5% more damage.

But wait, the Berserker’s base damage is going to be somewhat higher, due to the 239 points of difference in the power stat. I’m not going to crunch the damage numbers, but assuming the 2/3’s crit chance, 30% does not seem impossible.

2nd edit: How could I forget runes! The above Necro’s power stat includes 155 Power from Superior Runes of the Citadel. Want to bet people don’t have Runes of the Traveler or Pirate in their MF gear? Didn’t think so.

JarekCyphus.7068:

Stop making stuff up, Sleepy. Seriously. The time disparity is negligible. If a matter of a few minutes is that big of a deal for you, then you need to seriously re-evaluate the time you’re spending in a free to play game. Really. This crap needs to stop getting blown out of proportion that a player or two wearing full MF is creating a difference in tens of minutes for completion time, because it doesn’t.

Com’on, man.

It’s negligible if only ONE uses MF, you are the one who is making up stuff…you are assuming that only one person (you?) uses MF on the group. You are stating that ONE person using MF makes the dungeon be completed a few minutes later, so even if it’s 5 minutes…multiply that by 5 if all use MF and that’s 25 minutes…yeah, so negligible.

It’s simply obvious that people who post to argue that MF gear doesn’t kitten your team are players who use it by themselfs. The difference is i’ve used it as well, but since MF gear is so “negligible” i promote everyone to use it in dungeons and make full MF parties, you won’t notice a difference in difficulty/time but the loot will be awesome!