Guild Wars 2

Raire.7983:

MauricioCezar.2673:

To make both backpieces you need map exploration, Jumping puzzles, mini dungeons, fractals and craft. Oh wait, so everyone that dislike Jumping puzzle is excluded from this too right? and also anyone that dislike map esploration btw.

Anything open-world is fine by me. Fractals (and dungeons generally), on the other hand, are not on my to-do list. I’m just not up for forced-grouping/non-scaling content for reasons discussed many times before.

Crafting seems to be optional – those components can be purchased from the TP. Exactly as it should be, IMO. I tolerated leveling-up crafts for the Ambrite weapons, but I still think crafting is a mundane chore and the only way it makes sense to me, is if there’s opportunity to profit for those who do it. It should never have been forced and I’m glad ANet seem to have backed-off on that, at least.

calyx.9086:

So many delicious tears. More content and rewards like this please!

Glad to see we’re getting some very mature input, from the not-at-all-toxic dungeon community. Keep up the snide remarks guys, and remember – it’s not winning people over, it’s driving them away that counts!

…ANet must really love having fans like you guys.

It’s not the TP but you could very much hire someone to run fractals for you

Love the whining! Don’t do the work, don’t get the reward.

/Thread

Side Note: This Scavenger hunt and multiple game aspects of the backpack is one of the best additions to the game since launch. Please do many more things like it. If people don’t want to play the game then they don’t have to get the backpack.

Seriously? Five fractal runs? One a day for five days… that’s completely reasonable and well within any level 80’s range of accomplishment. I’m not sure what your qualm with FotM is, but this is such a trivial cost. It’s your own fault if you don’t do it.

Wait aren’t these the same people who are crying for anet to implement a scavenger hunt for precursors? I wonder if they are aware that a precursor scavenger would make the time/difficulty of this one look tame by comparison…

“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO FINISH ALL FOUR ARAH EXPLORABLES IN THE SAME DAY TO GET A PIECE OF MY DUSK?!!?!! WHY CAN”T I JUST RUN AROUND EDGE OF THE MISTS AND GET IT??!?!?!?!?"

sorry, 5 pristine relics are 5 fractal runs. thats like 10 hours at worst, split across 5 days. Even if you do lvl 1.

Sorry but you are just kittening over nothing here. Go play some fractals like everyone else and stop complaining about stupid stuff.

Next we will know that people want fractal skins without even entering fractals. no, just no. Suck it up, do your fair share of fractals and move along.

You know that this and all criticism threads are actually pointless. Anet will carry on doing what it does regardless. We don’t matter anymore, as long as we keep spending money on gems. Which I won’t be doing anymore.

GuzziHero.2467:

You know that this and all criticism threads are actually pointless. Anet will carry on doing what it does regardless. We don’t matter anymore, as long as we keep spending money on gems. Which I won’t be doing anymore.

Out of all anet’s decisions, you use the fact that you have to do a handful of fractals to be the decision that makes you stop buying gems?

Haha, I’m sorry, you have your priorities way out of whack here.

GuzziHero.2467:

You know that this and all criticism threads are actually pointless. Anet will carry on doing what it does regardless. We don’t matter anymore, as long as we keep spending money on gems. Which I won’t be doing anymore.

Now know you how people that love dungeons have felt for the last year and a half.

The real complaint in this thread should be:

You have to run fractals to get the backpiece, but FotM have a major progress blocking bug. If you’re unlucky enough to draw the cliffside fractal, there’s a good chance you’ll have to destroy the instance when the hammer disappears.

BTW, the “Play how you want” mantra is bull. Us dungeon folks have to go grind world bosses or WvW for obscene amounts of time to get enough dragonite to do anything. Get used to it, ANet doesn’t care that you have to do things you don’t like. I also lol regularly at “We don’t make grindy games”. HA!

Tree.3916:

Wait aren’t these the same people who are crying for anet to implement a scavenger hunt for precursors? I wonder if they are aware that a precursor scavenger would make the time/difficulty of this one look tame by comparison…

“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO FINISH ALL FOUR ARAH EXPLORABLES IN THE SAME DAY TO GET A PIECE OF MY DUSK?!!?!! WHY CAN”T I JUST RUN AROUND EDGE OF THE MISTS AND GET IT??!?!?!?!?"

Nope. That doesn’t even make sense. How could those who don’t want to run instanced group content be “same people”, as those who want a precursor for crafting a legendary? Think about it.

I can spell it out in capitals if it will help.

dlonie.6547:

BTW, the “Play how you want” mantra is bull. Us dungeon folks have to go grind world bosses or WvW for obscene amounts of time to get enough dragonite to do anything. Get used to it, ANet doesn’t care that you have to do things you don’t like. I also lol regularly at “We don’t make grindy games”. HA!

Please stop using that quote incorrectly….it’s just a hallmark of those that will go to any length to bash Anet.

You CAN, “Play how you want”….they just don’t give you “everything you want” by doing so (and they shouldn’t give you BiS gear without some work). NONE of the items you mention (Ascended gear) are required for ANY content (except, ironically….high level Fractals).

The game itself is NOT grindy….the pursuit of BiS gear does include some grind….as it should.

I tend to agree with the OPs complaint, but it may actually get me to try Fractals again (I haven’t tried them since failing miserably when they were first released). I can see the benefit in including these “forced content” requirements to obtain top end gear.

BTW, I’m “forced” to do Dungeon content to obtain specific armor skins, so you aren’t the only player making a choice about playing content you don’t want to so you can obtain certain rewards. It’s really nothing new here or in most other MMOs.

Lishtenbird.2814:

Zaoda.1653:

Not cool. What happened to ‘play how you want’? The supposed motto of GW2 from day 1… I can’t play how I want because I’m forced to do something I don’t want to do!!!

• You’re not forced to do anything. Having or not having a skin makes zero impact on how you kill mobs. “I can’t kill mobs because I’m not stylish enough!” is not an argument, even for Kasmeer.

This argument doesn’t work.
You’re right. People are not forced, but when you create content that discourages players to even attempt it, then it’s bad design.

You should realize this is an “end-game” reward. So, no, it doesn’t make an impact on how to kill mobs, but it does make an impact on what to expect from future end-game rewards. Players will end up deciding if GW2 is worth their time and investment, when the content they do like, is being sidelined for content they don’t enjoy.

Its an ascended item, and ascended items are intended for fractals. I see nothing wrong here.

GW2 use to have ascended rings only drop from fractals. The game SPOILED you by making ascended gear obtainable elsewhere. Be THANKFUL you can get ascended gear outside the fractals of the mist because they spoiled you, so stop being greedy and selfish.

uberkingkong.8041:

Its an ascended item, and ascended items are intended for fractals. I see nothing wrong here.

GW2 use to have ascended rings only drop from fractals. The game SPOILED you by making ascended gear obtainable elsewhere. Be THANKFUL you can get ascended gear outside the fractals of the mist because they spoiled you, so stop being greedy and selfish.

Guess what? I make mostly all of the ascended backpieces because of the look of it and because it fits to one of my characters and not because it has some nice stats. And Anet should know that there are always players who don’t want to play all parts of the game and will never do it for the various reasons. If they want to make them unhappy with such decisions then so be it. But don’t do it too often or they will go elsewhere some day.

You can have your back piece without needing to do fractals when I can have dragonite ore and karma for doing dungeons.

alceleniel.3697:

uberkingkong.8041:

Its an ascended item, and ascended items are intended for fractals. I see nothing wrong here.

GW2 use to have ascended rings only drop from fractals. The game SPOILED you by making ascended gear obtainable elsewhere. Be THANKFUL you can get ascended gear outside the fractals of the mist because they spoiled you, so stop being greedy and selfish.

Guess what? I make mostly all of the ascended backpieces because of the look of it and because it fits to one of my characters and not because it has some nice stats. And Anet should know that there are always players who don’t want to play all parts of the game and will never do it for the various reasons. If they want to make them unhappy with such decisions then so be it. But don’t do it too often or they will go elsewhere some day.

I basically ONLY run fractals and RP in game. Literally I don’t do anything else. As a result I can’t make the back pieces that require dragonite no matter how well they’d go for my ..m dwayna human? Granth human? Synergetics asura?

And I can’t make ascended armor or weapons for the same reason for the only content that actually requires it.

Anyone who is complaining about 5 measly fractals really… really needs to look at themselves and ask what it is they’ve ever had to work hard for in the first place.

alceleniel.3697:

Guess what? I make mostly all of the ascended backpieces because of the look of it and because it fits to one of my characters and not because it has some nice stats. …..

You seriously think your desire for BLING should rank higher than better stats to play the game? You do realize your perception of what is important only makes it important in your own mind, right?

So you want an ascended backpiece… without wanting to do the content it is intended for?

Don’t you need Fractal Relics in the first place to get an ascended backpiece? Heck, even if you want to make a Quiver of Swift Flight, you still need a Vial of Condensed Mists Essence.

I don’t see the issue. It’s elite gear intended for an elite dungeon. If you like the look of it, then just do 5 fractal runs.

Yeesh, gamers today… Back in my day, we had 3 lives and game over. Now babies are spoiled over some White Tanooki kitten, or something… Why not just make a game we could beat just by pressing Start on the controller?

alceleniel.3697:

uberkingkong.8041:

Its an ascended item, and ascended items are intended for fractals. I see nothing wrong here.

GW2 use to have ascended rings only drop from fractals. The game SPOILED you by making ascended gear obtainable elsewhere. Be THANKFUL you can get ascended gear outside the fractals of the mist because they spoiled you, so stop being greedy and selfish.

Guess what? I make mostly all of the ascended backpieces because of the look of it and because it fits to one of my characters and not because it has some nice stats. And Anet should know that there are always players who don’t want to play all parts of the game and will never do it for the various reasons. If they want to make them unhappy with such decisions then so be it. But don’t do it too often or they will go elsewhere some day.

If you’re not willing to play every part of the game, don’t be surprised when you can’t get any piece of gear you want. This is the way every MMO I’ve ever played has operated.

I don’t grind dungeons so I don’t have the dungeon armor skins. OTOH I have Wurmslayer because I like world bosses. See how this works?

OP says

Zaoda.1653:

What happened to ‘play how you want’?

Then I say

dlonie.6547:

BTW, the “Play how you want” mantra is bull.

Which is admonished:

Brother Grimm.5176:

Please stop using that quote incorrectly….it’s just a hallmark of those that will go to any length to bash Anet.

But then followed up with:

Brother Grimm.5176:

I tend to agree with the OPs complaint…

5 pristine relics isn’t that hard, stop being lazy.

This makes me laugh a bit, this thread. Making these things requires a lot more than just fractals. I could say I hate jumping puzzles so I didn’t get the first one. Or that i hate crafting therefore I didn’t get other parts, etc etc. But even if I DID hate all of that, the fact of the matter is this crafting is actually fun because you do multiple different things to craft it.

Raire.7983:

Tree.3916:

Wait aren’t these the same people who are crying for anet to implement a scavenger hunt for precursors? I wonder if they are aware that a precursor scavenger would make the time/difficulty of this one look tame by comparison…

“WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO FINISH ALL FOUR ARAH EXPLORABLES IN THE SAME DAY TO GET A PIECE OF MY DUSK?!!?!! WHY CAN”T I JUST RUN AROUND EDGE OF THE MISTS AND GET IT??!?!?!?!?"

Nope. That doesn’t even make sense. How could those who don’t want to run instanced group content be “same people”, as those who want a precursor for crafting a legendary? Think about it.

I can spell it out in capitals if it will help.

It’s the same group of people who want end game rewards without putting in the effort currently required.

Andred.1087:

Seriously? Five fractal runs? One a day for five days… that’s completely reasonable and well within any level 80’s range of accomplishment. I’m not sure what your qualm with FotM is, but this is such a trivial cost. It’s your own fault if you don’t do it.

Some of us are simply not very interested in doing organized group content. Motivations will vary. For some, it might be personal obligations, time constraints, etc. For others, it might be personality or playstyle. Are they to be forced to do organized group content to upgrade an item that begin in the solo personal story?

It’s not the fact that the piece requires group content that is silly. It’s the fact that you get the start of the piece through something that is designed specifically for solo play and then it requires group content later. It is just inconsistent design – unappealing and misleading.

The ‘solo personal story’ shipped with the game ends with organized group content, a five player story dungeon run. Acting like this is unprecedented is a bit silly.

Even in Season One of the Living Story, there was dungeon content, with the Molten Facility, Aetherblade Retreat, and Fractured parts. In those cases, the only way to see the story play out was to do the dungeon. Here, at least, you get all the story available to you solo, and just an optional item that requires some group content to get (along with exploration and jumping puzzles and crafting).

No one is making you get this item. Its not needed for anything, at all. Complaining about something you don’t need is dumb. Since its not Forced. Forced would imply that you need to item to do something important… and you don’t need it for anything. Also, no one is stopping you from actually doing it other than personal reasons.

In the time that this thread has been going on I ran all 5 fractal tiers and now have 5 pristine relics.

Less whining and more playing and you could of finished it by now.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

In the time that this thread has been going on I ran all 5 fractal tiers and now have 5 pristine relics.

Less whining and more playing and you could of finished it by now.

What are the tiers? My warrior can only do up to level 3 or 4. I rarely run dungeons because I don’t think I’m good so I don’t want to drag the team down.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

The ‘solo personal story’ shipped with the game ends with organized group content, a five player story dungeon run. Acting like this is unprecedented is a bit silly.

Even in Season One of the Living Story, there was dungeon content, with the Molten Facility, Aetherblade Retreat, and Fractured parts. In those cases, the only way to see the story play out was to do the dungeon. Here, at least, you get all the story available to you solo, and just an optional item that requires some group content to get (along with exploration and jumping puzzles and crafting).

Having done the same silly thing in the past doesn’t make it less silly in the future.

Paradox.1380:

No one is making you get this item. Its not needed for anything, at all. Complaining about something you don’t need is dumb. Since its not Forced. Forced would imply that you need to item to do something important… and you don’t need it for anything. Also, no one is stopping you from actually doing it other than personal reasons.

You’re right, no one is making me get this item. But I WANT IT BADLY. And when you want something badly, you’ll do almost anything to get it. Almost. Everything. Almost. Emphasis on almost.

Trust me, I have done MANY things that have taken me out of my comfort zone. Probably more than most players. But fractals I will NEVER do again. I gave it multiple go’s but still hated it – why can’t people just accept that I don’t like it?

And sorry but I am being forced to do content I don’t like. Tell me, is there another way to get the Mists Stone? No. So stop telling me I’m being lazy and just need to suck it up people.

Like I have said, multiple times, but I will repeat myself…

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

Hope that sinks in now. And hopefully people will stop accusing me of being lazy. How would you like it if you were forced to do something you absolutely despise with a passion, and then get a ton of players claiming you’re lazy? Wtf? They obviously didn’t read my posts…

Either way, I’m just going to leave this thread. Too many people claiming I’m lazy and that I just need to get with the program without even realising my point of view or reading my posts fully. Thanks to those who actually understand things from my perspective – especially those who do fractals.

For now, I’m done. Anet probably won’t change a thing and I will just have to learn that in the future, if there is something I want, I will just have to leave it for a few weeks and wait to investigate what it requires before attempting to get it, because I might be extremely disappointed with the acquisition of it, especially if it forces me to do content I don’t like, such as fractals – I hate it so much in fact, that I’d rather stick my head in a fat vat. I know what the trolls are thinking “Don’t start people pleasing now”. Don’t worry, I’m not coming back to my thread.

insaneshadow.1654:

What are the tiers? My warrior can only do up to level 3 or 4. I rarely run dungeons because I don’t think I’m good so I don’t want to drag the team down.

The reward tiers for fractals are 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40 and 41-50. If you’re new to fractals you can only really succeed at levels 1-10, meaning it’ll take you five days to get all the Pristine Relics, but if you have a few pieces of Ascended equipment and some Fractal Relics saved up, getting +10 Agony Resistance means you’re ready to do the 11-20 scale, which is a second daily Pristine Relic. At +10 Agony Resistance, Agony from the 11-20 fractals will only do 1% of your maximum health per tick of damage, making it largely a non-factor. Without any Agony Resistance, 11-20 fractals Agony will deal 10% of your maximum health per tick of damage, making it likely that being hit with any Agony-inflicting attack will down you combined with the base damage the attack itself does.

Labjax.2465:

Having done the same silly thing in the past doesn’t make it less silly in the future.

It means that after two years you should have adjusted for it, or at least not be surprised by it. There is some content in this game that requires you to group with other players to complete it. No matter how much you might wish or plead, that’s not going to change.

Again, you should be thankful that you’re not missing out on story this time, rather than being upset that you have to do something you think you won’t enjoy to get a certain skin.

I hate Fractals, tried them first and now I know they are a part of the game I will not play. I’m not going to get the ascended version of the backpack and I am disappointed that I already wasted so much time making the Vine when I won’t have if I had known Fractals were required up front, I resent that, I really do. I understand why Anet is trying to get ppl into Fractals but I don’t have to like the way they went about it.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

It means that after two years you should have adjusted for it, or at least not be surprised by it. There is some content in this game that requires you to group with other players to complete it. No matter how much you might wish or plead, that’s not going to change.

Again, you should be thankful that you’re not missing out on story this time, rather than being upset that you have to do something you think you won’t enjoy to get a certain skin.

Excuse me, some of us haven’t been playing the game for two years and maybe that longevity is a little bit contingent on the people running this game not making choices that could have been avoided through learning from mistakes. Why in the heck would I spend two years “adjusting” to something that I dislike in the first place?

Also, your strawman is noted, “Ahhh, you got me!” Happy now? I never said that all content should be soloable. I’m talking about a highly specific piece of content that is handed to you through solo play and then (without any warning) leads to unavoidable organized group content.

It’s a simple matter of being consistent, rather than pulling a bait and switch.

I haven’t seen this mentioned yet so, ascendeds only purpose is to have infusions and agony resistance. I mean it literally takes 3 days, as you can do a 1 an 11 daily without needing any agony resistance, it’s not hard at all, and it shouldn’t take too much time to do them.

Well, they are being consistent, as I said. The entire personal story is build-up to an organized group dungeon. The original Living Story was entirely soloable up until the Molten Facility. The Living Story investigation of the murder of Theo Ashford was entirely soloable up until the Aetherblade Retreat. This isn’t anything new. Maybe you haven’t played all two years, but if so, consider yourself now informed that solo play and group play is going to overlap at times.

There is no warning at all that the personal story is going to end in a group dungeon until you see “Victory or Death” at the top-right of the screen in green and you realize what it entails.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Well, they are being consistent, as I said. The entire personal story is build-up to an organized group dungeon. The original Living Story was entirely soloable up until the Molten Facility. The Living Story investigation of the murder of Theo Ashford was entirely soloable up until the Aetherblade Retreat. This isn’t anything new. Maybe you haven’t played all two years, but if so, consider yourself now informed that solo play and group play is going to overlap at times.

There is no warning at all that the personal story is going to end in a group dungeon until you see “Victory or Death” at the top-right of the screen in green and you realize what it entails.

Well it may be time for me to start looking for the door then, if that is their unchanging, unapologetic trend. Thanks for the heads up.

I’m happy to give the heads up. Better you realize it now.

Of course, I think you’d be better off trying to gather friends to try the organized group scenario first rather than just quitting outright, or trying to do it with random people. I’m not one for doing dungeons with random people, but I do know others in the game and will do dungeons with them. You should explore your options before giving up, at least. Who knows? Maybe you’ll have fun?

Labjax.2465:

Andred.1087:

Seriously? Five fractal runs? One a day for five days… that’s completely reasonable and well within any level 80’s range of accomplishment. I’m not sure what your qualm with FotM is, but this is such a trivial cost. It’s your own fault if you don’t do it.

Some of us are simply not very interested in doing organized group content. Motivations will vary. For some, it might be personal obligations, time constraints, etc. For others, it might be personality or playstyle. Are they to be forced to do organized group content to upgrade an item that begin in the solo personal story?

It’s not the fact that the piece requires group content that is silly. It’s the fact that you get the start of the piece through something that is designed specifically for solo play and then it requires group content later. It is just inconsistent design – unappealing and misleading.

Dude don’t even talk about you not wanting to do organized group content. Tequatl is organized, those instances your in that aren’t organized end in failure. Triple Trouble is organized, extremely high failure rate even while organized.

If you had to do Triple Trouble for this, I’m sure you’d be whining again about “oooh why do I have to be in super organized group to get such and such”

FOTM isn’t even that hard until you get to high fractals. Nothing hard or super organized about running up to a tentacle, smacking it, grabing a crystal when you see something above your head, throwing it at maw.

Even easy dungeons like CoF Part 1 is organized, everyone has to get inside a pillar while 1 guy goes and smacks something until it breaks.

I’d rather do fractals anyday over high failure rate pve events like triple trouble to advance in getting a better backpiece.

This is a high quality item as well, least you don’t have to do any major raiding or anything, because I’d consider this raid quality gear in any other MMORPG. Yall whining about this are spoiled seriously.

I don’t know why people play online multiplayer games with the assumption that they can get everything they want by playing by themselves…

I dislike exploring the map, but the only thing that make legendary weapons legendary is map exploration

The rest is RNG, and gold if you’re not lucky (achiev chests give you badges of honor, no need to play WvW)

HELLruler.4820:

I dislike exploring the map, but the only thing that make legendary weapons legendary is map exploration

The rest is RNG, and gold if you’re not lucky (achiev chests give you badges of honor, no need to play WvW)

You can buy legendaries on the tp, no map completion required.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

I’m happy to give the heads up. Better you realize it now.

Of course, I think you’d be better off trying to gather friends to try the organized group scenario first rather than just quitting outright, or trying to do it with random people. I’m not one for doing dungeons with random people, but I do know others in the game and will do dungeons with them. You should explore your options before giving up, at least. Who knows? Maybe you’ll have fun?

Well, I initially tried this game from the recommendation of someone who only ever played it casually and doesn’t really touch it anymore. And I have e-buddies that I could go play games with or I could just join a guild, but I don’t want that kind of obligation right now, however “small” it may actually be.

So I appreciate the effort to help, but it’s just a matter of what I’m looking for in games right now. I’m not saying I’m going to quit playing today and never come back, but I will probably find my way back to single-player or something.

uberkingkong.8041:

Dude don’t even talk about you not wanting to do organized group content. Tequatl is organized, those instances your in that aren’t organized end in failure. Triple Trouble is organized, extremely high failure rate even while organized.

If you had to do Triple Trouble for this, I’m sure you’d be whining again about “oooh why do I have to be in super organized group to get such and such”

FOTM isn’t even that hard until you get to high fractals. Nothing hard or super organized about running up to a tentacle, smacking it, grabing a crystal when you see something above your head, throwing it at maw.

Even easy dungeons like CoF Part 1 is organized, everyone has to get inside a pillar while 1 guy goes and smacks something until it breaks.

I’d rather do fractals anyday over high failure rate pve events like triple trouble to advance in getting a better backpiece.

This is a high quality item as well, least you don’t have to do any major raiding or anything, because I’d consider this raid quality gear in any other MMORPG. Yall whining about this are spoiled seriously.

Do you feel better now that you’ve put me down for having different preferences than you?

I helped run a raiding guild in another game for over 2 years and did every absurd grind that was necessary to keep up with our progression level – and often went above and beyond, to carry the weight of our less-skilled players. I’m no stranger to investing time and effort into a game. Nor have I ever been obsessed with gear progression (it is just a mini-game to me).

I just want to feel like I can participate in new stuff in an MMO, if I desire to do so. And my preferences for doing so are not fitting the picture in this instance, despite what my expectations were from the way it was released.

I was looking at my achievements, and it would seem I went to 5 fractals, though might not have been on different days. If I had to guess, I seem to recall it was two different days?

So in theory, I have 2 of these things that I need, and need to go 3 more times on 3 different days? What do these things look like? My wallet shows I have 60 fractal relics. Is it something different? Maybe something I put in my bank?

Zaoda.1653:

Paradox.1380:

No one is making you get this item. Its not needed for anything, at all. Complaining about something you don’t need is dumb. Since its not Forced. Forced would imply that you need to item to do something important… and you don’t need it for anything. Also, no one is stopping you from actually doing it other than personal reasons.

You’re right, no one is making me get this item. But I WANT IT BADLY. And when you want something badly, you’ll do almost anything to get it. Almost. Everything. Almost. Emphasis on almost.

Trust me, I have done MANY things that have taken me out of my comfort zone. Probably more than most players. But fractals I will NEVER do again. I gave it multiple go’s but still hated it – why can’t people just accept that I don’t like it?

And sorry but I am being forced to do content I don’t like. Tell me, is there another way to get the Mists Stone? No. So stop telling me I’m being lazy and just need to suck it up people.

Like I have said, multiple times, but I will repeat myself…

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

I am more than willing to put in the time and effort, just give me another way to get the Mists Stone. Same difficulty. Different Method.

Hope that sinks in now. And hopefully people will stop accusing me of being lazy. How would you like it if you were forced to do something you absolutely despise with a passion, and then get a ton of players claiming you’re lazy? Wtf? They obviously didn’t read my posts…

Either way, I’m just going to leave this thread. Too many people claiming I’m lazy and that I just need to get with the program without even realising my point of view or reading my posts fully. Thanks to those who actually understand things from my perspective – especially those who do fractals.

For now, I’m done. Anet probably won’t change a thing and I will just have to learn that in the future, if there is something I want, I will just have to leave it for a few weeks and wait to investigate what it requires before attempting to get it, because I might be extremely disappointed with the acquisition of it, especially if it forces me to do content I don’t like, such as fractals – I hate it so much in fact, that I’d rather stick my head in a fat vat. I know what the trolls are thinking “Don’t start people pleasing now”. Don’t worry, I’m not coming back to my thread.

Sorry to burst your entitlement bubble, but not getting something because you don’t like one component of how to get it is silly, trivial and you can complain and whine all you want but it only makes you look bad. Fractals may be something you don’t’ enjoy, but if you want the thing you want and it requires you to go into fractals… suck it up buttercup. There is NO reason for them to bend over. If that was the case man oh man would I have some things for them to change about acquiring some of the things -I- want….

notebene.3190:

I was looking at my achievements, and it would seem I went to 5 fractals, though might not have been on different days. If I had to guess, I seem to recall it was two different days?

So in theory, I have 2 of these things that I need, and need to go 3 more times on 3 different days? What do these things look like? My wallet shows I have 60 fractal relics. Is it something different? Maybe something I put in my bank?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pristine_Fractal_Relic (icon on the top right)

Regular Fractal Relics are different. They’re a currency that goes in your wallet. Pristines are an account bound item that can go in your inventory or personal bank. They can also be double-clicked to be broken down into 15 regular Fractal Relics, so if you can’t find them, you might have done that.

Chances are that notebene did the fractals before Pristine Relics started being rewarded for every completion rather than just scale 10+ completions.

How the hell can you despise low level fractals ? They’re short, not too long and don’t require particular tactics.

This is game where Anet, after GW1, realized that a chunk of players playing MMOs didn’t like playing with others and thus created content for a maximum of 5 players (aside from Teq and Wurm). That’s not a lot.

Every day, every hour, there are a ton of groups doing low level fractals. Are you afraid that you are going to bring down the party ? You are pugging, so it’s totally random who you are going to end up with. Some will be nice, some won’t. Some will be extremely good, some will be extremely bad. This is a game.
You are bound to end up joining kittens and moments later extremely good and friendly players.

And to some players in this thread. If you play so much other stuff, surely you have gathered at least 4 other online friends. Can’t you ask them to do a fractal run ?
Aren’t you in a friendly guild ? If you aren’t there are hundreds out there that will gladly welcome you (if you aren’t an arrogant brat) and help you get your 5 pristine relics.

GuzziHero.2467:

You know that this and all criticism threads are actually pointless. Anet will carry on doing what it does regardless. We don’t matter anymore, as long as we keep spending money on gems. Which I won’t be doing anymore.

We have been asking again and again for Anet to stop using the gemstore as a mean to “give” us new items and instead make us play their game.
This item makes you play a lot of the game’s different aspects.

Yet you complain that Anet doesn’t listen and wants to force us to use the gemstore…

Must be easy to hate because I do, utterly completely hate them, and I feel tricked into wasting time I could have spent doing other things in the game rather than making a useless Backpack, the Vine, only to find out that to finish it I would have to do Fractals or throw away the time and mats I already invested in that useless POS. I don’t so much care about not getting the Backpack but I don’t like being tricked.

The problem with this stuff is that we were all given the stuff on every character in the living story as if it is something everyone can make easily by running about. It isn’t. It is a grind. It needs all parts of the game. Anyone who put effort into making this in the last chapter will be disappointed if the recipe has exploded on them in this chapter.

The way to put these items into the game is to show people the result, give them the recipe/tasks if they want to pursue it, and then for the player to collect the bits. Giving the player the bits, sending them on a whole load of tasks, giving them an ever increasing grind of components, then only showing people the result at the end is bad design. It will always makes players unhappy when they find out they have invested their time in something they don’t want or cannot finish.

Thanks synk and Xiahou, I’ll have to look to see if I have any of those in my bank. It wasn’t ‘too’ long ago that I did like 2-3 in one day. The other time I did a fractal in a day was a long time ago.