Guild Wars 2

Hi all!

I bought the Noble dress last night, because it looks stunning! Thanks for the amazing design.

After a bit of moving around in my newly dyed attire, I noticed that the underside of the dress has a black area which a) hangs lower than the dress does, when standing around, and is b) very visible when running.

Other skirts and dresses in the game (from what I’ve seen) don’t have this.

Is this something you are able to remove? I understand that this is Outfit vs. Armor piece, but I don’t see (as a Maya veteran since 1.0) how it restricts your model design.

Please see this image for comparison.

Wow… thanks! I was about to buy it.

I suppose less work and less render time for something that can’t be seen from ‘normal’ gameplay view. If you’d take a close look at all other armors and outfit(With 3DXRipper for example), you’d see that almost all usually non visible parts of the bodymesh(or underlieing armor meshes) are cut out. Guess it follows the code: You can’t see it, you don’t have to build it. Just that it didn’t work out on that outfit all too good.

PS: It was on all original Guild Wars Skirt-like Armors, too. Best example were dervishes, male and female.

The problem is, it is visible during normal running, and just looks strange if you’re used to the other GW2 armors..
It even cuts of your feet when jumping …

They should have at least put the “black hole” further up, and not right at the bottom of the dress.

Ewww, that’s ugly. Wanted this costume, but not anymore, after seeing this. I thought you see it only when your character is swimming, but you proved it is also when you walk.

Thanks, you made me save 700 gems.

I noticed this too and wondered why they chose this route when they made it.
That being said, it’s still a beautiful dress outfit and I have zero regrets that I bought it.

I love it, too. But! maybe one of the more active Developers in these forums hear us out and add back the removed parts of the body. I dobut it would cause that serious performance issues. Just the rest of the legs should also do the trick,unless you go underwater. And who does that, besides for the occasional renown heart heart or Honor of the Waves.

I agree, it does look strange. Please fix?

I submitted a support ticket with a link to this thread. Hopefully there will be a positive response to revising the model. After writing, I realized that the bloody prince outfit may have been a better example of “done right,” since it is a) an outfit and b) from the same event, though a year older…

I’d noticed… it honestly doesn’t bother me. Considering the way the skirt poofs in that area, I just like to think of it as a dark petticoat.

Maybe that would be an easier option for them. Add some ruffles when running so it looks like a petticoat.

I would blame all those that screamed that there was too much female skin being exposed.

ANet’s Selective Hearing at work here.

Beware if you’re a ranger and you use sword- it just ends up being disembodied feet flying around. Very disconcerting, and I would not have bought it had I know about that.

I considered purchasing this earlier. As it would dyed celestial for the character that would end up wearing it, I’d have a big problem with that blackness as well. Thanks for helping me decide for certain not to buy it.

Thats normal for long clothes. They have to remove the legs so they don’t clip through the dress when you run around.
When you build clothes in 3d you usually always remove the body from underneath it. Not only does it reduce the polycount of the outfit but also reduce clipping.

Haishao.6851:

Thats normal for long clothes. They have to remove the legs so they don’t clip through the dress when you run around.
When you build clothes in 3d you usually always remove the body from underneath it. Not only does it reduce the polycount of the outfit but also reduce clipping.

Except other skins in the game don’t work that way.

Gibson.4036:

Haishao.6851:

Thats normal for long clothes. They have to remove the legs so they don’t clip through the dress when you run around.
When you build clothes in 3d you usually always remove the body from underneath it. Not only does it reduce the polycount of the outfit but also reduce clipping.

Except other skins in the game don’t work that way.

No other skin in game is a long dress like this one either. Smaller and open clothes are much easier to rig on a skeleton than long closed dresses like that one.
While the dress itself is much more easier to model, it it much more harder to rig.

It would have clipped like this if the legs were in. Although they could have put the “cap” much higher since the running animation isn’t as dramatic as the crappy pose i’ve done in 5 second in in this image.

Yeah, I understand that. The cut off is extremely short though:
http://i.imgur.com/2vYZTRS.jpg

Like, yowza.

Now I want to check the Winged skirt for how it moves.

The black doesn’t bother me, though I admit I’ve only really stared at it on my alt who has the dress in deep blue. I can check with paler dyes; but I just mentally ascribe it to an underslip or flat out ignore it, myself. I’m actually more concerned with the dress texture. A lot of dyes make it come out looking like cotton or even denim, as compared to the male version coat which has glorious detailing and a rich feel. So I’ve had to choose dyes that “take” in a more luxurious fashion.

wish the gown was on charr not make female charr stuck with the tux. I mean have the gown set up to fit charr the top could cover whole chest area and wrap around the neck leaveing back exposed like those fancy movie gowns.

Ltomato.8649:

Yeah, I understand that. The cut off is extremely short though:
http://i.imgur.com/2vYZTRS.jpg

Like, yowza.

It is indeed very short.
I said no other dress was like this one but forgot about arah armor which is also a long dress. The “cap” is about the height of the apprentice boots, which is usually a much better height for it.
It may require a bit more work on the rigging though.
I don’t have that new dress so I can see for myself but from the screenshots it look like they didn’t even try to give it dimension and the cap is right at the bottom like you’d have on a default cylinder.

Donari.5237:

Now I want to check the Winged skirt for how it moves.
…

I was taking pictures of my Sylvari during the night to see her glowing patterns (she uses the Winged armor). Here are 2 while running along:

There’s also The Order of Whisper armor that does a way better job than this. It is open on one side but I am confident that they can easily close it if they want to and I haven’t noticed any unacceptable clipping issues. The Arah and OoW armors make the “bottom” of the Noble dress look like an incredible lazy or rushed job and I hope they improve it.

Well, It dont really bother for me, but you can also see other Human NPCs female villagers who has long dresses, usually the blonde village with blue dress has this aswell.
Also one of the Noble dresses have this aswell if you look carefully.
AND the Winter dress for us players, is also a outfit who has something like this too.

Where is the rest of my body? Something? Anything?

Honestly, who checks under skirts and dresses?

It’s not even checking under. With Ranger sword auto attack, the disembodied feet are just in your face.

I don’t actively check under skirts and dresses, being a girl I already know what’s under there or rather supposed to be under there. When it’s highly obvious that something is missing and you do some more checking, you wind up with a thread such as this.

Phew! I was very upset ‘cause I couldn’t buy it right away, but now I’m glad I didn’t waste my money

daimasei.4091:

Phew! I was very upset ‘cause I couldn’t buy it right away, but now I’m glad I didn’t waste my money

I just bought it. I’m a little sad, though my intention was to mostly just use it with my relatively new Necromancer and dye it all black, so not as much of an impact. But, it will never be white.

Guess this is another cutting corner solution to save time and money and charge the same, like the single piece outfit system and new pets that don’t swim.

OP, I too noticed this effect while swimming.

notebene.3190:

I just bought it. I’m a little sad, though my intention was to mostly just use it with my relatively new Necromancer and dye it all black, so not as much of an impact. But, it will never be white.

Guess this is another cutting corner solution to save time and money and charge the same, like the single piece outfit system and new pets that don’t swim.

I only have a single character: A female human of noble origin (necromancer). Therefore, I only use armor that fit a noble style (apprentice, witch, masquerade, cabalist, heritage and aristocrat). Some may not be very “noble”, but with the right dyes, they fit just right.
But this one was just perfect. It looks awesome, it’s kittening pretty and it works just great for a “noble” necromancer but then, they ruined it with this lazy/cheap solution

I was considering buying this outfit too, but after seeing it on another player’s character, I instantly saw that the model cuts off the legs a short ways above the ankles and has a barrier above that.

This type of modeling shortcut might be acceptable for static 3D art where the character is always positioned in a way so that the area is never visible. However, in a game where characters can fight, run, swim, dance or do a variety of other poses via emotes, this type of model ends up looking cheap and incomplete.

I also noticed that the Hex outfit has a similar problem, although in that case the problem occurs further up the legs. However, due to these issues, I don’t plan to get either of them.

Kalendraf.9521:

I also noticed that the Hex outfit has a similar problem, although in that case the problem occurs further up the legs. However, due to these issues, I don’t plan to get either of them.

Yep, the witch/hexed outfit may have this problem BUT is disguised in way better form and since you can still see your character legs, is not that annoying.

The more I use the gown, the more I like that my legs cannot be seen above the upper calf. I just imagine it as a froth of dark petticoats. Because not every woman running in a full length skirt has it blow up so high you can see her upper thighs! That’s bothered me in a lot of the garments in Tyria, actually, how much they expose while running.

Not because I’m prudish, I’m not and I have a few alts that go for the skimpy gear, but because I’ve done enough sewing and costuming to know cloth doesn’t -do- that. Plus it seems a tad chilly in cooler climes … anyway, I find myself embracing this feature as making the dress much more suitable for my noble mesmer.

Allisa Wonderland.8192:

Hi all!

I bought the Noble dress last night, because it looks stunning! Thanks for the amazing design.

After a bit of moving around in my newly dyed attire, I noticed that the underside of the dress has a black area which a) hangs lower than the dress does, when standing around, and is b) very visible when running.

I noticed this too, and assumed it was intended as poorly designed petticoats… but I think I’d like it better the other way. I don’t like the way it looks. Just my two cents.

May i ask what skirt is that?.. i can’t seem to find it anywhere in the wardrobe.

Lifestealer.4910:

May i ask what skirt is that?.. i can’t seem to find it anywhere in the wardrobe.

Not a skirt but a full outfit.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Noble_Count_Outfit

daimasei.4091:

Lifestealer.4910:

May i ask what skirt is that?.. i can’t seem to find it anywhere in the wardrobe.

Not a skirt but a full outfit.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Noble_Count_Outfit

Not that one, the other one on the right of the original post.

I never had an issue with this, but i used icy night dye on it, so it’s black anyway, i think it should be removable or at least dyeable

Lifestealer.4910:

daimasei.4091:

Lifestealer.4910:

May i ask what skirt is that?.. i can’t seem to find it anywhere in the wardrobe.

Not a skirt but a full outfit.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Noble_Count_Outfit

Not that one, the other one on the right of the original post.

It is Magicians Skirt, low level light armor skin.

Haishao.6851:

Gibson.4036:

Haishao.6851:

Thats normal for long clothes. They have to remove the legs so they don’t clip through the dress when you run around.
When you build clothes in 3d you usually always remove the body from underneath it. Not only does it reduce the polycount of the outfit but also reduce clipping.

Except other skins in the game don’t work that way.

No other skin in game is a long dress like this one either. Smaller and open clothes are much easier to rig on a skeleton than long closed dresses like that one.
While the dress itself is much more easier to model, it it much more harder to rig.

It would have clipped like this if the legs were in. Although they could have put the “cap” much higher since the running animation isn’t as dramatic as the crappy pose i’ve done in 5 second in in this image.

Basically this. However they should move the black texture higher and make it dyeable.

notebene.3190:

Guess this is another cutting corner solution to save time and money and charge the same, like the single piece outfit system and new pets that don’t swim.

Yeah. If the new outfits with limited customization are supposed to be novelty items you use sporadically they should be priced much cheaper. A full set of detailed armor costs 800 gems, but these full-set only with modeling shortcuts items are 700?

If they’re going to be cheap novelty pieces, they shouldn’t cost almost a third of the entire box price of the game.

Of course, I see a lot of them running around. It’s clear ArenaNet is making money off them, so I don’t expect anything to change.

they can easily change this in a proper way, all they need to do is making the underside as a cone so it makes some leg space.
i have done this my self to 3D models and it saves time while keeping it looking nice.

Would that still give it the lovely swish and swirl at the hem?

Yeah, this looks pretty awful with any dye other than black. Shame, because it’s a really cool design otherwise.

They could have made the collar hideable with shoulders too, as it clips pretty horribly with long hair.

This does feel pretty lazy, given it’s an outfit sold for real money and not allowing mix and matching with armour pieces.

I got a refund and “go start a thread on the forum, our devs read.”

Oh yes, they also suggested it was my fault I didn’t look carefully before buying it! I checked, you can’t see it in the preview window. I guess next time I’ll go run around looking up other players’ dresses