Non mandatory subscription
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hope you took a picture of the old one, because you about to be ripped a new one.
So you want ANet to add things behind a pay wall that would actually give players benefits over players who do not pay?
No. N. O. The day this gets put in, is the day I uninstall the game. Without a single regret.
No, no, and simply put, no.
This game should not have a subscription fee attached. It was advertised as specifically buy to play. Adding a subscription would cause many players to quit and the game revenue would, ironically, very likely drop.
The absence of any kind of system like this is a big part of the reason I play this game (and why I played GW1). If they added it I’d uninstall the game.
I’m happy to spend real money to buy things from the gem store, but only because it’s optional. There’s nothing that can give you an advantage and therefore there’s nothing you have to buy.
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“-first requires rebuilding Black Lion chests, so they become account-bound and they drop rate is a bit reduced. Every blc has time to open (7 days since drop) . People with sub can open unlimited ammount of blc without using keys”
I have about 300 chests at the moment. Buy the subscription, open all my chests. Drop subscription. Sounds good to me. ^^
I dont know some ppl can`t read or they write comment without reading like 90% of youtubers . If you dont buy sub you have EXCATLY SAME GAME . if somebody has a lot of gold he can almost buy his ascended weapon anyway and reseting dung sweet jesus 10 reseted cofs=12g its gona flip entire gw2 economy . it would be option for people who spend money in gem store they might get some discounts or special offers . and astral I think that all blc before update must be deleted becasue it will ruin economy .
This game was advertised specifically as having no subscription fee. Adding one would mean ArenaNet lied and people wouldn’t trust them anymore. I sure wouldn’t, at least. Even if it’s optional, a subscription fee generally implies “added benefits that you can only get by paying real money.”
Unless you’re going to come up with a subscription fee that can be paid with in-game gold as well, i’m not interested in having that sort of a system. And ArenaNet makes plenty of money to run the game efficiently last I checked. Their updates tend to be of a relatively good quality, a good quality that wouldn’t be available if they didn’t have the money.
…. Their updates tend to be of a relatively good quality, a good quality that wouldn’t be available if they didn’t have the money.
Living story season 2 episode 3 was the most rushed buggiest piece released yet….. Not sure about the quality or plenty of resources comment..
That said, only thing I could see with minor sub is gem store discounts…..
YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→YB→most likely YB
we all know that $$$$=content
Just so you know, your statement quoted here is false.
Subscriptions = Steady Revenue
Anything else is either unrelated or too indirectly related to be predicted.
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At this point, I can’t say that I would mind, especially when the game already endorses cash>>gold.
At this point, I can’t say that I would mind, especially when the game already endorses cash>>gold.
Cash for Gems, Gems for Gold.
The distinction is important because that is what allows other people to turn Gold into Gems, thus NEVER having to pay Cash.
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Freemium models are terrible for MMOs, and just for anything in general.
Absolutely. Not.
This suggestion really isn’t any different than the one in the BLTP forum a couple weeks back now, saying that “paying players should be able to” buy things that gave them an edge (like an extra +15% power sigil).
NO. No pay to win bullkitten. No VIP “non mandatory” crap. You want VIP crap, go play China’s version.
Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.
Not sure if anyone is even reading when he says: Non-mandatory. What he probably is suggesting is something like Xbox Live Gold member services. Not exactly necessary (aside from actual online multiplayer) but it gives “subscribers” access to bonuses that non-subscribers don’t get. I think a premium account access option would be nice to people who want to subscribe but don’t have to. The only issue is that this type of subscription should only give aesthetic and/ or convenience bonuses (i.e. bigger bank/collection tabs by default/permanent bank access anywhere/etc.) that are specific to premium accounts only, meaning no pay-to-win scenarios.
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Even that variant would repulse a lot of players who are in this game specifically because they can get everything without paying a dime if they’re willing to spend time in game to get it.
Every time this notion comes up, the following very good response is made (I’m surprised it’s not in this thread yet):
If you want to support ANet and get extra things like boosters from the gem store, please do. You can budget yourself x dollars per month and buy gems, thus simulating a subscription.
But if you want to be able to buy things that will give you in game advantages, you’re in the wrong game. (Faster Ascended crafting, unlimited BLC openings, extra cash from repeating dungeons — not dungs, really, are you flinging feces? — all these translate into a ton more buying power in game. If that’s what you want, just straight up buy gems and sell them for gold).
Alright, I’m gonna assume the most common subscription payment is 15 dollars a month.
How to give GW2 a non-mandatory subscription: First month, player that wants a “subscription” buys 10 dollars in gems. The next month he buys 20 dollars worth. That way, he’s spending on average 15 dollars a month. And can buy all sorts of gem storey things
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3 PvP matches a day…unlock more with points!
30 minutes in WvW a day…unlock more with points!
3 daily rewards per week…unlock more with points!
3 dungeon paths per day…unlock more with points!
3 world boss chests per day…unlock more with points!
Out of points? Earn more with MOMMY’S CREDIT CARD! Now accepting BITCOINS!
Remember guys, you’re a filthy casual unless you sub. Who plays more than 3 pvp matches a day anyways? It’s like you enjoy Skyhammer or something
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Content in this game will always seem
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.
to be faceroll at the high levels, because it
needs to be accessible to the casuals and bads.
Even that variant would repulse a lot of players who are in this game specifically because they can get everything without paying a dime if they’re willing to spend time in game to get it.
Every time this notion comes up, the following very good response is made (I’m surprised it’s not in this thread yet):
If you want to support ANet and get extra things like boosters from the gem store, please do. You can budget yourself x dollars per month and buy gems, thus simulating a subscription.
What Anet should do is add a system where players who want to do that can do that easily. They can call it membership-levels instead of subs. Like:
Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum memberships with proper monthly “donations” set accordingly. I don’t understand that if players want to emulate a non-mandatory subscription that they have to do all of if themselves instead of Anet implementing a system to automate for them.
But if you want to be able to buy things that will give you in game advantages, you’re in the wrong game. (Faster Ascended crafting, unlimited BLC openings, extra cash from repeating dungeons — not dungs, really, are you flinging feces? — all these translate into a ton more buying power in game. If that’s what you want, just straight up buy gems and sell them for gold).
Like I mentioned before premium memberships shouldn’t give those advantages over other players and should only add to the base of convenience every player has regardless of membership level or maybe even early access to certain events somehow. Just nothing pay-to-win.
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…. Their updates tend to be of a relatively good quality, a good quality that wouldn’t be available if they didn’t have the money.
Living story season 2 episode 3 was the most rushed buggiest piece released yet….. Not sure about the quality or plenty of resources comment..
That said, only thing I could see with minor sub is gem store discounts…..
yh excatly when i look at their updates, new content I have feeling that Anet is gona go bankrupt in day or two and now I see that people can`t read , I dont know how these people finished primary school , I talk about gem store items ,they talk about sigils available only to premium people 0_0 you see the difference between bigger bank during sub and 1shooting armor yes ? and why not 2500 gems for this kind sub
All this sounds like one of those Credit Card Rewards programs, and by that I mean it sounds awful.
we all know that $$$$=content
I have yet to see anything here, or in any other game, to convince me that this is the case.
we all know that $$$$=content
I have yet to see anything here, or in any other game, to convince me that this is the case.
It`s only theoretically when product generates much money they can invest much more into product more teams(I think there is no pvp,www,dung team only ls makers)
At this point, I can’t say that I would mind, especially when the game already endorses cash>>gold.
Cash for Gems, Gems for Gold.
The distinction is important because that is what allows other people to turn Gold into Gems, thus NEVER having to pay Cash.
Regardless, you can still give the developer RL currency to receive the game’s virtual currency. In my book that’s “pay2win”.
Yes please.
having actually played the gw2 china version their sub system works pretty well without putting free players at at disadvantage. (the game is cheap and ping is actually playable for when i am in asia for business compared to the us servers)
There are some things i would change, but the system would be a nice addition to the western version.
But sadly it will probably not happen as many current gw2 players see the word “subscription” and have a closed minded vitriolic reaction to it no matter how well implemented or optional it maybe.
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It would make the game crash and burn.
If we are going to go for an explosive ending for the game’s community and players, that’d be the go-to choice. And it’d make such a lovely, crispy fire.
Yes please.
having actually played the gw2 china version their sub system works pretty well without putting free players at at disadvantage. (the game is cheap and ping is actually playable for when i am in asia for business compared to the us servers)
There are some things i would change, but the system would be a nice addition to the western version.
But sadly it will probably not happen as many current gw2 players see the word “subscription” and have a closed minded vitriolic reaction to it no matter how well implemented or optional it maybe.
Totally agree on this ,sub doesnt make p2w but some people are really narrow minded , and maybe it will shock some people but chinesse people have much more items in thier gem store,even more items in game.
I dont have a strong opinion one way or another on this idea (and i’d be for it if it was done well and made more money for the game to grow, even though i’d never buy it myself), but i still find it hilarious how people think something like this would suddenly turn the game into a “p2w” game and destroy it. Its been a p2w game ever since endgame was about skins/legendaries/ect. and the gem > gold conversion has been in place.
There is no the difference between buying 20$ in gems a month for gold or spending $20 a month on a sub that will lead to you getting more gold. Zero difference at all and aside from the .01% of the population on the forums that are against it I bet most people will either like something like this or be indifferent to it.
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Yes please.
having actually played the gw2 china version their sub system works pretty well without putting free players at at disadvantage. (the game is cheap and ping is actually playable for when i am in asia for business compared to the us servers)
There are some things i would change, but the system would be a nice addition to the western version.
But sadly it will probably not happen as many current gw2 players see the word “subscription” and have a closed minded vitriolic reaction to it no matter how well implemented or optional it maybe.
Totally agree on this ,sub doesnt make p2w but some people are really narrow minded , and maybe it will shock some people but chinesse people have much more items in thier gem store,even more items in game.
It is pay to win. It is just that I don’t really have a problem with p2w if it is done well (ie world of tanks) These days well implemented p2w is generally well received in asia and the west is shifting in that direction (acceptance driven by the model in mobile games) as well but there will always be staunch holdouts. Shrug
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If ArenaNet just gave a discount on bulk purchases of Gems, it would accomplish the same thing. A bit more out of the Gem Store, and no dreaded voluntary/involuntary/VIP stigma attached.
Yes please.
having actually played the gw2 china version their sub system works pretty well without putting free players at at disadvantage. (the game is cheap and ping is actually playable for when i am in asia for business compared to the us servers)
There are some things i would change, but the system would be a nice addition to the western version.
But sadly it will probably not happen as many current gw2 players see the word “subscription” and have a closed minded vitriolic reaction to it no matter how well implemented or optional it maybe.
Game was advertised and marketed as Buy to Play, without a subscription fee. A lot of people purchased the game and play the game on the basis of that statement. If Anet introduced a sub fee out of the blue that granted people who could pay benefits, yeah people will be kittened off because it kinda takes a massive dump on the whole basis of their early marketing and alienates those who bought the game to play it without fees whether due to not having the money, or just personal preference.
But yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is ~“close minded”~ and, you’re the only open minded person here, yadda yadda, so on and so forth.
Yes please.
having actually played the gw2 china version their sub system works pretty well without putting free players at at disadvantage. (the game is cheap and ping is actually playable for when i am in asia for business compared to the us servers)
There are some things i would change, but the system would be a nice addition to the western version.
But sadly it will probably not happen as many current gw2 players see the word “subscription” and have a closed minded vitriolic reaction to it no matter how well implemented or optional it maybe.
Game was advertised and marketed as Buy to Play, without a subscription fee. A lot of people purchased the game and play the game on the basis of that statement. If Anet introduced a sub fee out of the blue that granted people who could pay benefits, yeah people will be kittened off because it kinda takes a massive dump on the whole basis of their early marketing and alienates those who bought the game to play it without fees whether due to not having the money, or just personal preference.
But yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is ~“close minded”~ and, you’re the only open minded person here, yadda yadda, so on and so forth.
This is the reaction of some one who has not actually played gw2 china and does not know how the vip system really works. It is sold on the gem store so you can buy it without real spending money. The most significant things it offers over the non sub are:
1) convenience features (bank/tp/mech access straight from your inventory page)
2) revive on a long cd (similar to revive stone)
3) port to a friend
4) gem store discount.
5) Minor non combat boosts like from the achievement system.
6) Title and fancy icon
If people are so upset about something like this then why did they not protest the buyable bank access, tps, Bl merchants, revive stones? These were all in game at launch on the gem store. And what about the introduction of the royal terrace/air ship passes and infinite gathering tools? If you do use those on a regular basis then you would actually spend more money buying the individual items than the china sub.
The package is not perfect and there are some changes i would make for the western version.
Nothing really changes, what it really entails is a convenience package that can be bought individually a la carte, or in monthly access package that is cheaper AND has better implementation. So tell me how this would change the current game in any sense. People who play this game because it has no sub are not affected in any form. And almost all the features that the sub offers were already in the game as a cash shop item.
If you complain about this then you have to complain about the services that are already offered in the gem store. So if you are ok with the current buyable services, then the sub is no different. However, if you already object to the current services then i see why you would be unhappy, but unfortunately these service are probably here to stay.
I fully accept that people do not like subs and have already conceded that any sub will not make it into the game no matter how good it may be. In the end the vip/sub whatever you want to call it, it just a PR problem which will never be over come.
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I was thinking about adding NON MANDATORY SUBSCRIPTION to gw2 so I want to say that entire gw2 stay completly the same as it is now , but there would be something like gemstore sub which will give you some bonuses (no-combat bonuses)
Few quick ideas
-first requires rebuilding Black Lion chests, so they become account-bound and they drop rate is a bit reduced. Every blc has time to open (7 days since drop) . People with sub can open unlimited ammount of blc without using keys
- gem store loyalty points so lets say that every month subscriber gets 1000 points ,these points can be used to
————-reduce time-gated content(for example crafting ascended mats, you can craft only one every 24h but using 100 points you can disable this gate so you can craft 2 [after 2nd craft gate appears again] so you have to use same amount of gold but you dont have to wait.
————same dungs you can get only once a day account-bound chest but using tokens you can replay same path 2nd time and get full loot
————- for example for 1500 tokens player can start his own pvp arena
————— tokens can be converted to influence or guild merits
—————-and many other
- and maybe account mf 25% boost , karma 10% boost, gold find 5% boost
-and black lion trading company symbol next to the gold star for map comp just to show offI think that sub like this will help this game becasue we all know that $$$$=content and it doesnt affect gameplay combat but it can bring much more content like dung,new pvp arenas etc
You want to pay a sub fee? Buy $15 of gems a month, there you go, got your subscription.
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No. You’re trying to have a “VIP” account like LotRO has which is awful and does nothing but creating 2 tiers of players.
The current method is much much better. The minute you create these tiers of “VIP” and “Common” players you are preventing some players to access some parts of the game.
It starts there and before you know it only VIP can play unlimited time in WvW and so forth. And why not? The “VIP” are paying customers. How about they get insta 100% luck for them? And better loot tables to begin with?
And even if you limit the “VIP” accounts to certain perks, that will cause antagonism between players.
Anyway, why be “committed” to play for a month because you paid the $15, instead of buying a one time/two weeks access to services)?
a.net: I will not be buying gems with cash until you fix traits.
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If it can be bought via the gold to gems and is not tied behind having to pay money, then as long as the cost isn’t so high that it makes it impossible to get the gold in that time frame I don’t have a huge issue with it. And as long as the sub doesn’t come.with not needing keys to open chests. Too many rare event items are in the chests. And it’ s unfair to remove the chests already earned. Since keys are so rare of a drop.
Of course the price would have to be high enough to.get enough people to open their wallet.
You forget that gold:gem fluctuate. Let’s say it’s $16 a month (to make things easier). That’s 1600 gems or ~160g. But you take gems out and maybe next month the ratio would double so you’d have to have 320g for the conversion this time
a.net: I will not be buying gems with cash until you fix traits.
NO P2W, JUST NO. i got this game because it’s not p2w, if it becomes that i’m moving on, as are others i’m sure. there is literally NO bright side to doing this, even the money gained would be offset by the money lost in all the people leaving who do not want a p2w game.
Fix what you have before you build something new
lol , you think money buys quality….. certainly not.
Example: take a headset for instance, those turtle beach headsets are around $60 to $80 and their mics sound like crap. A $17 logitech mic headset sounds crystal clear
If you really want to give Anet money buy lots of gems……… Its like you want to be told to spend money instead of being an actual patron and donating money by spending $10-$20 a month in the gemshop…. kind of dumb and lame.
You do get great benefits from buying things in the gem store like keys , skins, stones……. Anyone who thinks a sub fee will help Anet pump out quality content knows nothing about how businesses work.
If Anet is putting out crap content it isnt because they dont have the money. It is because they are poor developers…….
Nuff said , close this thread.
Games that were once subscription and went to a VIP/F2P model offered the VIP level so older subscription players wouldn’t get trapped behind the new paywalls for access to old features that was aimed at the F2P player.
Here, after game purchase, the game is F2P. Therefore any non-subscription model that adds anything like being able to get exclusive items or an alternative way to get currently very rare items like precursors will alienate a fair chunk of the current player base.
You want more loot? Buy gems, convert to gold, buy what you want.
Edit: Yes English is my native language but I tend to drop words, change tense, etc. as I type. Had to fix the most egregious problems with my grammar.
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I can’t take someone seriously who refuses to type out a word properly when they’re wanting their suggestion to, ironically, be taken seriously. The rest of the formatting was horrible as well.
Dung.
Gotta love this new brainwashed breed of customers corporations raised.
" Are you sure you are charging me enough for this product?"
“Hey maybe you should charge me more?”
“Think about that swiming pool you wanted to build, charge me more!”
Let me remind you the rules of the game.
-You are customer, your goal is to get as much as possible while paying as little as possible.
-Anet is corporation, their goal is to provide product that keeps you interested and squeeze as much cash from you as possible.
Your goals are opposite therefore by willingly throwing cash at them you lose.
OP, the perception this would create wouldn’t be worth the income it would create.
If you dont buy sub you have EXCATLY SAME GAME .
I think that all blc before update must be deleted becasue it will ruin economy .
Those two contradict each other. If you are taking something away from people then it is not exactly the same game.
Not only is the “non mandatory subscription” a bad idea… all your ideas of the benefits were horrible as well
If it was as simple as pay $15 a month and get a bonus 20% gems or something i could support it. But as others have mentioned, putting a discount on gems accomplishes the same thing, without breaking the no sucription promise. Anet already gives bonuses on occasions for spending cash, like Mr Sparkles. They also rotate items that are on sale, so if you want more for your money, just wait for it to go on sale.
The ideas mentioned by original poster are too over the top, i couldn’t support them. Especially the unlimited black lion chests, they are like 4c each.
I think If you want more then you should spend more.
I think there should be a $15 a month optional sub but it should only provide a single benefit. It should give you a title called “I Hate Subscriptions”.
Then I’d be fine with it. Otherwise, it’s probably a bad idea.
What is stopping you from voluntarily paying money each month now? As you say it will be the exact same game for everyone else, you pay however much you want. Everyone wins?
If ArenaNet just gave a discount on bulk purchases of Gems, it would accomplish the same thing. A bit more out of the Gem Store, and no dreaded voluntary/involuntary/VIP stigma attached.
No, I dislike that,
because then I feel I’m losing out if I buy 1000gems every couple months rather than more every few months.
In the end, I’d still be paying the same, but this kind of thing increases how much people feel they “need” to spend.
I love that anet is one of the few games that whether you buy alot of gems, or a few, that prices are exactly the same.
That’s a good thing.
What is stopping you from voluntarily paying money each month now? As you say it will be the exact same game for everyone else, you pay however much you want. Everyone wins?
People suggesting these subscriptions always tries to hide the real idea behind their suggestion and that is to get LOTS and LOTS more than what they would get with the same amount of money with current system.
What is stopping you from voluntarily paying money each month now? As you say it will be the exact same game for everyone else, you pay however much you want. Everyone wins?
People suggesting these subscriptions always tries to hide the real idea behind their suggestion and that is to get LOTS and LOTS more than what they would get with the same amount of money with current system.
Yes I know, I just like sending it back at them. They won’t change but sometimes windmills are fun.
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