Guild Wars 2

I have been playing a lot lately. Getting back into this game over the past two months after a six month hiatus. I come on these forums, and reddit, and I see the complaints; no expansion, no endgame, no balance.

I don’t see these as issues (though, new weapons skills would be nice wink)

My only issue is ascended gear. Not that it exists. Not that there is horizontal gear progression. My only gripe is that the only way to obtain the weapons and armor is through RNG or crafting.

See, I have played WoW, Rift, Tera, LoTRO, Aion, and never, have I ever enjoyed crafting. I hate it. I think its boring. I think its tedious. I know some people (maybe the majority, I don’t know) enjoy it, but the idea of leveling these skills makes me physically ill.

Why, is there no other option? Why can I not buy them? Why is there no quest where I can drop the materials needed, and defeat some boss and get the gear? Anything, other than crafting. Even if its so grindy I would want to hate myself, as long as it isn’t CRAFTING.

Anyway, besides that, I would like to say I love the game and plan on continuing for awhile!

Thanks!

Aside from fractals, which you already know drops ascended gear, there is always the once per week guild missions. There is a slight chance you can get it through completing certain ones, some missions don’t reward the player only the guild.

THANK YOU!

My sentiments exactly. Everything is crafting, crafting, and more crafting. Crafting even lets you level your character faster than playing. Why should I go out and fight monsters for a few weeks to get to level 80 while a guy can sit behind a crafting table and get there in less than a day? How does crafting teach someone how to fight? That just isn’t right if you ask me.

I can live with the faster leveling. (I have all but one of the Professions to 80 already). It seems pretty unfair and unrealistic, but I can live with it since I don’t need to level anymore for the most part.

As far as Ascended Gear goes though, I wish to heck they’d make it sellable. The crafters could rake in a lot of money (another advantage to crafters) and the non-crafters could finally have a source to get “the good stuff”.

Hamfast.8719:

My sentiments exactly. Everything is crafting, crafting, and more crafting. Crafting even lets you level your character faster than playing. Why should I go out and fight monsters for a few weeks to get to level 80 while a guy can sit behind a crafting table and get there in less than a day? How does crafting teach someone how to fight? That just isn’t right if you ask me.

Realistically, it is actually very possible (and practical) to gain a majority of fighting experience from a professional trade such as crafting. If someone were to spend a lot of time making weapons, surely they would know how to use said weapons once they become an expert—or lv400-500. If someone where to spend a lot of time dealing with magical trinkets or enchanted clothing like the tailors do, an expert would surely be able to hold his/her own in a fight with their magical experience.

One thing you might want to take into consideration is that time (supposedly) moves a lot faster in-game. What might seem like a few minutes could be a few hours. So you’re technically spending quite a few ‘hours’ honing your weapon/magic/marksmanship skills which should be efficient enough to make you hold your own in a fight. :P

For the OP, Ascended weapons are supposed to take a ton of time to get. Its a time sink more than anything else. Aside from legendaries, these weapons are the strongest you can get so it stands to reason that you have to put a lot of time into obtaining one. What better way to show that you’ve spent a lot of time working for something than crafting? Just be happy that they are still easier to get than legendaries :P

Also, please learn how to use a comma XD

I understand they are meant to be a time sink. But, there are other ways that they could be implemented as time sinks. Even material sinks.

Take for example the heros and mistforged weapons. The heros is a rare, while the mistforged is an exotic. However, you are able to turn the heros into a mistforged weapon using the mystic forge.

Now, for example. Why not create an exotic level ascended precursor type item. Something that could be crafted, and sold. You could buy it, and than have to grind out… some type of supplies.

I just think in a game where you can “choose how you want to play”, limiting the TOP END equipment to crafting is against the grain.

I used commas for exaggeration!

Noah.9654:

Realistically, it is actually very possible (and practical) to gain a majority of fighting experience from a professional trade such as crafting. If someone were to spend a lot of time making weapons, surely they would know how to use said weapons once they become an expert—or lv400-500. If someone where to spend a lot of time dealing with magical trinkets or enchanted clothing like the tailors do, an expert would surely be able to hold his/her own in a fight with their magical experience.

Nice try, but I don’t buy it. To get to 80 just playing takes me several weeks of fighting monsters. My Guildie can get to 80 in a day with the aid of crafting. You think that if you went out and spent several weeks in actual combat with your sword, it would be just as instructional as spending an afternoon making swords?

Does a race car mechanic who has spent a day putting together a vehicle know how to win a race just as well as a driver who has had several weeks of firsthand experience?

…Besides, it kinda falls apart when you consider that you can craft your way (mostly) to a level 80 adventurer in something like CHEF, which has very little to do with adventuring.

Yep I agree. Granted, I leveled my crafting and bit the bullet for the ascended gear… But I would have preferred nearly any other option. That said I would love to not do it again for my ranger.

Hamfast.8719:

Noah.9654:

Realistically, it is actually very possible (and practical) to gain a majority of fighting experience from a professional trade such as crafting. If someone were to spend a lot of time making weapons, surely they would know how to use said weapons once they become an expert—or lv400-500. If someone where to spend a lot of time dealing with magical trinkets or enchanted clothing like the tailors do, an expert would surely be able to hold his/her own in a fight with their magical experience.

Nice try, but I don’t buy it. To get to 80 just playing takes me several weeks of fighting monsters. My Guildie can get to 80 in a day with the aid of crafting. You think that if you went out and spent several weeks in actual combat with your sword, it would be just as instructional as spending an afternoon making swords?

Does a race car mechanic who has spent a day putting together a vehicle know how to win a race just as well as a driver who has had several weeks of firsthand experience?

…Besides, it kinda falls apart when you consider that you can craft your way (mostly) to a level 80 adventurer in something like CHEF, which has very little to do with adventuring.

I want to meet this Guildie of yours.

Crafting to 400 in Cooking as a Chef gives you what? 7 or so levels? How can you get (mostly) to Level 80 by leveling up in Cooking?

Maybe I’ve been missing something all along….

Sorry… I feel like I’m getting the thread off of the point, which is we would like some ways OTHER than crafting to attain the Ascended gear we want. Please don’t try to tell me “RNG” is the answer. I’m lucky to get one Exotic drop every other month. I’d hate to calculate how many centuries it would take to get a full set of Ascended gear that way in the stats that I want.

I appreciate that we can get the new armor sets as in-game rewards for playing. I’d love to see something like that to attain ascended gear more than any other way. A good reward for a good challenge.

Alternately, put a “Gear Booster” or “Ascension Crystal” in the Gem Store that bumps an exotic item up to ascended level (there go the dollar signs in ANet’s eyes! – Dear, Lord… what have I done?)

Or just plain let people SELL the ascended gear they make.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Crafting to 400 in Cooking as a Chef gives you what? 7 or so levels? How can you get (mostly) to Level 80 by leveling up in Cooking?

Maybe I’ve been missing something all along….

I know it’s lots less these days. Like I said, I don’t craft and I’m not up-to-date on how much you gain anymore now. I know you don’t get all the way to 80 from one craft (and can’t get entirely to 80 just crafting at all anymore, I believe?).

Anyhoo… that’s not the point of the thread. We non-crafters are just raising our pitifully ignored voices again. The grass is much greener on your side of the fence, but we find that your fertilizer stinks. We want a nice lawn without having to put up with that. Maybe I can get a truckload of those pre-grown grass squares?

My side? I don’t recall ever championing Crafting. Lol, some of my disciplines are still in the 100s.

All my Ascended gear is either from drops or from purchase with Laurels. Please try to be cognizant of who you are saying stinks in the future, if you would be so kind.

Well, you CAN buy them. You can buy everything to max crafting and make the gear on the spot. If you can afford it and think it’s worth it.

I think their idea was to add a tier of gear for people who are truly dedicated to min-maxing their characters. I think that’s a pretty good idea for an MMO. I appreciate your opinion being a moderate one though.

The forums are rife with “I don’t like it therefore it needs to go!” You do have some RNG chances to get ascended gear but overall I don’t know if straight gold to gear purchasing would make any sense with the crafting system already in place. Unless they made it more expensive and provided a shortcut for mysteriously loaded new players

Well, there are other options.

Ascended Weapons tokens for doing certain task.

World Completion? Weapon Token
Level 80 in PvP? Weapon Token
Level 40? Fractal? Weapon Token

Things that are attainable.

That, or ascended weapons chests, allow you to choose the stats. I got a ascended armor drop. With clerics stats.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Well, there are other options.

Ascended Weapons tokens for doing certain task.

World Completion? Weapon Token
Level 80 in PvP? Weapon Token
Level 40? Fractal? Weapon Token

Things that are attainable.

That, or ascended weapons chests, allow you to choose the stats. I got a ascended armor drop. With clerics stats.

Ascended weapons are barely 1 step down from a Legendary, they should not be available so easily, IMO. I’m not saying that crafting is the only way you should be able to get them, maybe crafters selling them might be Ok, or maybe it would kitten up the economy, I don’t know but nothing on your list measures up, in my opinion.

I want to see more raid bosses like Wurm and Teq added. In fact I want to have legit 8-10 man raids. The raids could have a weekly reward of dungeon tokens, and ascended gear could be added to the dungeon vendors. Before you flip out, consider my breakdown:

• 1 new raid boss per existing dungeon
• it could be instanced or it could be open world in the vicinity of the dungeon entrance
• killing it rewards 500-800 tokens (for that dungeon) per week
• ascended gear is added to a new tab at the dungeon vendors
• gear costs between 1000 and 3000 tokens depending on the slot
• 1000 for boots and gloves
• 1200 for off-hand weapon
• 1500 for main-hand weapon
• 2000 for shoulders and helm
• 2500 for chest and pants
• 3000 for two-handed weapon

Hell they could even have a 9001 token legendary crafting material you buy for precursor crafting (if they ever implement that in my lifetime…)

This would allow non-raiders and dungeon farmers a way to still get the gear (albeit slower) while giving us something to spend our excess tokens on. Also, they wouldn’t have to invent yet another currency to bloat our wallets.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Well, there are other options.

Ascended Weapons tokens for doing certain task.

World Completion? Weapon Token
Level 80 in PvP? Weapon Token
Level 40? Fractal? Weapon Token

Things that are attainable.

That, or ascended weapons chests, allow you to choose the stats. I got a ascended armor drop. With clerics stats.

The thing is that Ascended gear is attainable. In my opinion it has no business being a PvP drop since PvP does not use Ascended gear.

Fractals already do RNG Ascended gear. I 100% agree that the RNG in Fractals needs a rework…and so does nearly everyone else on these forums. We’re still waiting for them to do something positive with these numbers.

As someone with 7 World completions, I disagree that it merits Ascended gear. Ascended gear not needed for any of the content in this game except high level Fractals. All of the content in this game can easily be completed in Exotic tier gear. Ascended gear provides that extra stat boost that min-maxers will really enjoy. For the average player though, Ascended gear won’t add that much extra to the game.

I don’t think that something as easy, albeit tedious, as World completion deserves Ascended gear.

That said, I think that if your initial suggestion of buying the gear straight up were to be implemented, the cost should be considerably higher than that of crafting it.

Two things. If they actually added a means to get full sets they’d finally have to adjust crafting so it’s not so much of a chore, that alone makes me support your request.

Second, everything is RNG in this game, RNG died in 2004 it’s not longer a valid system and is riddled with holes, it should be scorned by every veteran player, so if this helps them along in getting rid of some of that as well I’m all for it. Most of the games you named in your post OP all updated their currency systems to work like the Karma system originally worked here. Anet needs to go back to using Karma to get the gear people are seeking. It’s simple, adapt.

Other means of obtaining ascended gear:

Complete collections.

LS Achievements.

Saint.5647:

Well, you CAN buy them. You can buy everything to max crafting and make the gear on the spot. If you can afford it and think it’s worth it.

This ^^

You can already “Buy” Ascended gear, by buying everything required to make it. Allowing players to sell their Ascended gear is a bad move, remember what happened when Anet decided to make Legendaries sellable? I don’t want a repeat of that. Not everything should be buyable with gold (directly), so I don’t think making ascended gear sellable is a good idea.

Adding better chances in fights like Tequatl or the Wurm isn’t a good way either. Why? Because in this game every player rolls for the loot individually, in order to keep those drops semi-rare on a game-basis, chances have to be extremely low. In other words since there is no competition between players for loot, RNG is abysmally low to keep it balanced. Imagine 40 people killing Teq and 10 of them getting an Ascended box… not rare anymore.

Adding tokens in multiple game formats is tricky. See, how “balanced” their gold reward for completing dungeon paths is (hint: it’s not). That’s not the answer either.

There was a CDI on raids, maybe they plan on putting higher chances of Ascended drops in those raids, or a GOOD token system to earn Ascended gear through those Raids. Fixed-size party content with an actual loot distribution system (tokens or other) is the key in making rare gear better to acquire.

I can sympathize. Hundreds of teq without the specific ascended weapons chest. 170 wurm before the armour dropped.
The consolation is that stat wise my exotics are close enough to make almost zero difference. The ascended jewellery can be bought which makes a difference.
edit: I can craft everything, all at 500. Just selling the ascended mats I make is so much more worthwhile to me.

I have 3 legendaries, yet only 2 pieces of asc armor. I don’t find it worth going for. It’s really not needed unless you are a fractal/wvw player, i’m none of those ..

I agree with the OP, though I don’t mind crafting myself. I think there should be more ways to get ascended gear.

Roundabout.1752:

I want to meet this Guildie of yours.

I’ve done it in a day-ish. I crafted my second toon to 80. Never left Divinities, aside from the initial Queensdale area you have to do. Granted this was before 500 crafting and it was a lot cheaper.

I don’t see why its fair you can pigeon hole people into crafting.

Those who are arguing against it, Im not saying make it easy. Im saying don’t make it crafting. Make it time consuming, but don’t make me spend time doing something I don’t want to do.

I don’t see why introducing new methods would negatively impact the game.

Saint.5647:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

Well, there are other options.

Ascended Weapons tokens for doing certain task.

World Completion? Weapon Token
Level 80 in PvP? Weapon Token
Level 40? Fractal? Weapon Token

Things that are attainable.

That, or ascended weapons chests, allow you to choose the stats. I got a ascended armor drop. With clerics stats.

The thing is that Ascended gear is attainable. In my opinion it has no business being a PvP drop since PvP does not use Ascended gear.

Fractals already do RNG Ascended gear. I 100% agree that the RNG in Fractals needs a rework…and so does nearly everyone else on these forums. We’re still waiting for them to do something positive with these numbers.

As someone with 7 World completions, I disagree that it merits Ascended gear. Ascended gear not needed for any of the content in this game except high level Fractals. All of the content in this game can easily be completed in Exotic tier gear. Ascended gear provides that extra stat boost that min-maxers will really enjoy. For the average player though, Ascended gear won’t add that much extra to the game.

I don’t think that something as easy, albeit tedious, as World completion deserves Ascended gear.

That said, I think that if your initial suggestion of buying the gear straight up were to be implemented, the cost should be considerably higher than that of crafting it.

I don’t think something as tedious as crafting deserves ascended. You can obtain ascended gear and never leave your home zone.

If one wanted to, they could buy gems, convert to gold, and craft all the way up.
Its not hard, its tedious.

Just give us something else.

Crafting is extremely easy in this game. In fact, you just about can buy your ascended armor! Go to one of the crafting websites; it will provide a list of materials to get your craft to 500. Buy those materials, and craft as instructed by the website. Once you get to 500, you can purchase bolt of damask, elonian squares, and deldrimor ingots! You can even purchase the finished components (such as helm strap and helm padding).

You’re talking about crafting as if it is some impossible hurdle to cross. If you follow a guide, it should take less than 30 minutes to fully level a craft. I think you just want a cheaper way to get ascended, because crafting is expensive.

rhapsody.3615:

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You’re talking about crafting as if it is some impossible hurdle to cross. If you follow a guide, it should take less than 30 minutes to fully level a craft. I think you just want a cheaper way to get ascended, because crafting is expensive.

It is, for players that dont grind the dungeon redundancy it is expensive(i dont like pve side of gw2), followed a guide to craft armor to 400 was about craft stuff i dont need or never will use, reached arround 412-415 had to stop due gold sink in stuff that i would not need.

Edit: and IMO i rather burn money on other game than get gems for ascended gear, but each one to is own.

shrug That was just my opinion on the matter. You were looking for a way to buy Ascended gear. Crafting is such a way. Crafting isn’t tedious in my opinion. It was always rather quick for me and provided me with quick leveling as well as a lot of freedom in the endgame as far as Ascended gear goes.

Now, it’s not that I don’t support a better system for getting this gear in Fractals since the RNG there is very wonky. To an extent even the World Bosses that drop as well. Still, I don’t think it should be available for something like World completion.

Yes, you’re right….you could buy gems and convert to gold but that can be said of anything in this game. You can buy every Legendary if you want. As far as gameplay goes, Ascended gear has a high enough mat cost to keep it unattractive to players who are not interested in that min-max or Fractal gameplay.

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If one wanted to, they could buy gems, convert to gold, and craft all the way up.
Its not hard, its tedious.

Just give us something else. [/quote]

No you can’t. Empyreal Fragments Piles of Bloodstone Dust and Dragonite Ores can not be brought and you need large qualities to craft ascended, Obsidian Shards can be purchased for large amounts of Karma and as a player with a relatively new account I can tell you Karma can be a chore to collect, so all of these items take time and lots of playing the game to collect. Time at the crafting table is just 1 small part of ascended crafting acquiring the mats to do the actual crafting is a big time commitment and shouldn’t IMO be discounted the way you have. I understand you don’t want to craft but please don’t assume that crafting Ascended is something you can just pull out your wallet and buy because you can’t.

Aeolus.3615:

rhapsody.3615:

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You’re talking about crafting as if it is some impossible hurdle to cross. If you follow a guide, it should take less than 30 minutes to fully level a craft. I think you just want a cheaper way to get ascended, because crafting is expensive.

It is, for players that dont grind the dungeon redundancy it is expensive(i dont like pve side of gw2), followed a guide to craft armor to 400 was about craft stuff i dont need or never will use, reached arround 412-415 had to stop due gold sink in stuff that i would not need.

Edit: and IMO i rather burn money on other game than get gems for ascended gear, but each one to is own.

You are supposed to salvage the items you craft and don’t need, or sell the ones that are valuable on the TP to keep the funds flowing. I don’t do dungeons either and I have 500 crafting in the disciplines I want. It is not that big of a deal. Having said that, Ascended armor is very grindy and/or expensive, but I feel it is meant to be, and I don’t really have an issue with that.

Roundabout.1752:

If one wanted to, they could buy gems, convert to gold, and craft all the way up.
Its not hard, its tedious.

Just give us something else. [/quote]

No you can’t. Empyreal Fragments Piles of Bloodstone Dust and Dragonite Ores can not be brought and you need large qualities to craft ascended, Obsidian Shards can be purchased for large amounts of Karma and as a player with a relatively new account I can tell you Karma can be a chore to collect, so all of these items take time and lots of playing the game to collect. Time at the crafting table is just 1 small part of ascended crafting acquiring the mats to do the actual crafting is a big time commitment and shouldn’t IMO be discounted the way you have. I understand you don’t want to craft but please don’t assume that crafting Ascended is something you can just pull out your wallet and buy because you can’t.

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I think he meant, craft to 500, not the ascended items themselves. Plenty of ways to buy shards and just playing world events gets you enough mats to craft stuff, it’s only 150 per piece. Besides fragments, the rest drop like rain, especially dust (which you need 500 of per). This especially if you run WvW or EotM, you’ll be over-flowing with the stuff.

This is one thing i really don’t have a big problem with, ascended stuff isn’t all that difficult to get and if you follow most of the many crafting guides, you can get to 500 in an hour, maybe 2. Besides the fact that you can buy the time gated stuff. I mean it’s expensive, sure, but i guess i feel like it’s in a good place.

Roundabout.1752:

If one wanted to, they could buy gems, convert to gold, and craft all the way up.
Its not hard, its tedious.

Just give us something else. [/quote]

No you can’t. Empyreal Fragments Piles of Bloodstone Dust and Dragonite Ores can not be brought and you need large qualities to craft ascended, Obsidian Shards can be purchased for large amounts of Karma and as a player with a relatively new account I can tell you Karma can be a chore to collect, so all of these items take time and lots of playing the game to collect. Time at the crafting table is just 1 small part of ascended crafting acquiring the mats to do the actual crafting is a big time commitment and shouldn’t IMO be discounted the way you have. I understand you don’t want to craft but please don’t assume that crafting Ascended is something you can just pull out your wallet and buy because you can’t.

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I’m curious: what do you do in game that does not give you loads of ascended materials and karma?

rhapsody.3615:

I’m curious: what do you do in game that does not give you loads of ascended materials and karma?

Edge of the Mists, the karma train, or run around Silverwastes doing all the events and opening up bandit chests will gain you a good amount of all the above.

I didn’t even mention the Augur Stone that requires Skill Points to purchase another crafting mat that can not be brought with gold. I don’t have a problem with the mats required to craft it is doable if you take the time to play the game and don’t have a, have to have it right this minute, mentality maybe that is why is bothers me so much when posters talk like crafting is just something you can whip out your wallet and do.

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

My only issue is ascended gear. Not that it exists. Not that there is horizontal gear progression. My only gripe is that the only way to obtain the weapons and armor is through RNG or crafting.

See, I have played WoW, Rift, Tera, LoTRO, Aion, and never, have I ever enjoyed crafting. I hate it. I think its boring. I think its tedious.

And those of us with 500 crafting would love to sell it to you at a seriously inflated price.

I don’t mind crafting but it isn’t really an important part of the game for me.

For those that just hate it, I don’t see why they can’t provide an NPC that could craft ascended for you if you bring them certain things, quest items etc. They could have blah skins, maybe cost more overall in materials required, and even potentially have a few days order time as a gate. But i wouldn’t force major RNG on them beyond the normal RNG of material drops.

I don’t see how that would negatively impact anyone.

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I’m curious: what do you do in game that does not give you loads of ascended materials and karma?[/quote]

I get loads but it costs loads and loads to craft, so as you see I am always short at least 1 load.

Morsus.5106:

Hedgehog in the fog.1053:

My only issue is ascended gear. Not that it exists. Not that there is horizontal gear progression. My only gripe is that the only way to obtain the weapons and armor is through RNG or crafting.

See, I have played WoW, Rift, Tera, LoTRO, Aion, and never, have I ever enjoyed crafting. I hate it. I think its boring. I think its tedious.

And those of us with 500 crafting would love to sell it to you at a seriously inflated price.

And I would be fine with that. After all, eventually the market would catch up ;-)

This is one thing i really don’t have a big problem with, ascended stuff isn’t all that difficult to get and if you follow most of the many crafting guides, you can get to 500 in an hour, maybe 2. Besides the fact that you can buy the time gated stuff. I mean it’s expensive, sure, but i guess i feel like it’s in a good place.

I never said it was difficult.
I said it was tedious. Yes, I could spend gold and buy all the supplies and level this skill. However, this game was about playing how you want. For a game, where you don’t HAVE to do anything, it seems weird that you HAVE to craft.

Is crafting giant deal? No probably not. Will I end up leveling it? Maybe. Because it would be an hour or so of me not having fun, and why the hell would I play this game if I can’t have fun doing it. Even world exploration is more exciting to me.

The issue is, they introduced this new tier. And gave one way of obtaining it. Unless you want random RNG, (Which as I said, I have gotten a ring and a armor box(cleric stats)), you have to do something. Which is super annoying.

I don’t know, I don’t see why allowing people to get weapons through other options is a bad thing.

What really irks me is that to get your crafting up to 400-500 just costs a TON, and the garbage you craft is yet worthless when you try to sell it!!??

I feel your pain OP. I also detest crafting. It’s way too much like a boring awful job, like cleaning a toilet, rather than playing a game. I am so torn because I’d kind of like to get ascended gear because I do enjoy WvW and it can make some difference there, but the time sink, the crafting, the cost… meh. Makes me just want to go do some actual knitting instead

I agree we should have another reliable way of obtaining ascended gear. Please and thank you.

ozmaniandevil.6805:

What really irks me is that to get your crafting up to 400-500 just costs a TON, and the garbage you craft is yet worthless when you try to sell it!!??

I feel your pain OP. I also detest crafting. It’s way too much like a boring awful job, like cleaning a toilet, rather than playing a game. I am so torn because I’d kind of like to get ascended gear because I do enjoy WvW and it can make some difference there, but the time sink, the crafting, the cost… meh. Makes me just want to go do some actual knitting instead

I agree we should have another reliable way of obtaining ascended gear. Please and thank you.

Its not expensive at all, just follow a guide: www.gw2crafts.net

It also doesn’t take very long, like 30-60 minutes Max..

honestly it take 30 minutes to level a craft from 1-400. there’s a bunch of people doing it in slow mode in less than 30 minutes on youtube.

probably not the most fun thing to do if you dont’ like crafting.

Sube Dai.8496:

ozmaniandevil.6805:

What really irks me is that to get your crafting up to 400-500 just costs a TON, and the garbage you craft is yet worthless when you try to sell it!!??

I feel your pain OP. I also detest crafting. It’s way too much like a boring awful job, like cleaning a toilet, rather than playing a game. I am so torn because I’d kind of like to get ascended gear because I do enjoy WvW and it can make some difference there, but the time sink, the crafting, the cost… meh. Makes me just want to go do some actual knitting instead

I agree we should have another reliable way of obtaining ascended gear. Please and thank you.

Its not expensive at all, just follow a guide: www.gw2crafts.net

It also doesn’t take very long, like 30-60 minutes Max..

Sorry, but I have leveled several toons to 80 using crafting. It takes at least a half hour PER CRAFT TYPE, and if you add up all the things you’d have to buy to do the FAST crafting 0-400, it’s around 200g. And how much do you make back by selling the junk you made? maybe 10g?? That’s ridiculous in the extreme. You’re litterally throwing away gold to craft unless you’ve taken months to save up stacks of every item in the game.

Also, from 400-500 is SUPER expensive, as is crafting ascended if you buy everything except the stuff you can’t buy. Probably in the many hundreds if not more if you need a lot of bolts of damask.

Sorry my friend, you missed the mark and the point of my post.

laokoko.7403:

honestly it take 30 minutes to level a craft from 1-400. there’s a bunch of people doing it in slow mode in less than 30 minutes on youtube.

probably not the most fun thing to do if you dont’ like crafting.

That’s the whole point. Many of us hate crafting but are forced to do it in certain cases. Did you read the OP? He’s not talking about getting cooking from 0-400. He’s saying it’s bad that to get ascended gear you are fairly forced to craft, and he hates it. He doesn’t want to craft – AT ALL. Time or gold has nothing to do with it.

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honestly it take 30 minutes to level a craft from 1-400. there’s a bunch of people doing it in slow mode in less than 30 minutes on youtube.

probably not the most fun thing to do if you dont’ like crafting.

That’s the whole point. Many of us hate crafting but are forced to do it in certain cases. Did you read the OP? He’s not talking about getting cooking from 0-400. He’s saying it’s bad that to get ascended gear you are fairly forced to craft, and he hates it. He doesn’t want to craft – AT ALL. Time or gold has nothing to do with it.

well i’m sure there are more people hating to grind those dragonite ore or 500 gold for a set of armor.

In the end if you want something in the game you do what is required to get it. People who want Legendaries craft run Dungeons do World completion and grind for mats and gold like crazy and I’m willing to bet many of them hated at least 1 of those things every bit as much as you hate crafting but they wanted the Legendary enough to do what was necessary to get it. I hate Fractals hate them with a passion but I wanted Mawdrey and I did them because that was the price for me getting want I wanted. Wanting something in this game comes at a price you either pay it or you don’t.