Okay I posted this is in another thread but I feel like it will get lost without it’s own devoted topic.
I have edited this post as more information has come to light regarding the extra laurel. Originally I thought it was because some people had completed the daily achievement after the patch and before the next reset. It turns out that there was an additional daily achievement that lasted approximately 3 hours. I think this unfair to those of us in different timezones who weren’t given a fair opportunity to complete this achievement.
The idea of a 3 hour “daily” achievement is well, nonsensical. It’s equivalent to a 3.5 day “monthly” achievement for February.
I’d be interested in hearing conflicting opinions about how this is legit. Post away!
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But weren’t laurels introduced at the same time the dailies were reset? I know my dailies reset at 02:00 each morning and that was the time when I started downloading the patch.
But weren’t laurels introduced at the dame time the dailies were reset? I know my dailies reset at 02:00 each morning and that was the time when I started downloading the patch.
Nope, some people have 4. I have 3, haven’t missed a daily in weeks.
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But weren’t laurels introduced at the same time the dailies were reset? I know my dailies reset at 02:00 each morning and that was the time when I started downloading the patch.
I’m in GMT+1, and from what I understand, the update was around 22:00GMT+1. So, 3 hours before the daily reset. But I thought people did the daily twice that day, first the old one, and then the new one after the update.
Are you really complaining about ONE DAILY LAUREL vs an entire month reward that takes some time to get?
Seriously?
There goes the point of the comparison flying over your head.
The point was that the argument for the January monthly not having a laurel reward was because people had already done the monthly. People had already done the daily, too. Yet it was rewarded with a laurel after the patch, but not before. This makes no sense, and is at complete odds with their reasoning for not attributing the January monthly with laurels.
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Wait, I remember that the combo kills weren’t working for everyone, so they reset the daily requirements a bit after that. Couldn’t that be why some people have one extra, because they were able to do the combo kills?
The thing is that the ones who did the daily before the patch got their daily updated, not reset, with 3 new tasks when the new patch hit. They were then able to do the daily again with the new rewards.
Wait, I remember that the combo kills weren’t working for everyone, so they reset the daily requirements a bit after that. Couldn’t that be why some people have one extra, because they were able to do the combo kills?
That’s entirely possible, and to be honest, makes it even more confusing as to why this hasn’t been remedied.
Nevertheless, from talking to those who have an extra, it seems like they just did the initial daily after the patch. Those of who did it before got nada. They forgot to employ their own logic about the monthly to the daily, it seems!
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But weren’t laurels introduced at the same time the dailies were reset? I know my dailies reset at 02:00 each morning and that was the time when I started downloading the patch.
I’m in GMT+1, and from what I understand, the update was around 22:00GMT+1. So, 3 hours before the daily reset. But I thought people did the daily twice that day, first the old one, and then the new one after the update.
^That’s correct! Daily was reset after update. So you had 3 hours for doing it, like i did.
But i think that it shouldn’t be possible. For the simple reason that in some timezones that was already too late for the players to be awake. Specially in a week day (a lot have to work in the morning).
The thing is that the ones who did the daily before the patch got their daily updated, not reset, with 3 new tasks when the new patch hit. They were then able to do the daily again with the new rewards.
So there was a 3 hour window where you could gain the extra laurel? Seems legit… sigh.
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For the monthly achievement you get 10 laurels, so while it is slightly (<-understatement) unfair, you are only missing 1 laurel as opposed to 10. It’s really not worth worrying about IMO.
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The thing is that the ones who did the daily before the patch got their daily updated, not reset, with 3 new tasks when the new patch hit. They were then able to do the daily again with the new rewards.
So there was a 3 hour window where you could gain the extra laurel? Seems legit… sigh.
For europeans it was this 3 hour time windows after patch and before reset (the day of combo killer). I don’t know the case for NA servers.
I generally agree with you on principle. I’m one of those with 4 laurels but I don’t think I ‘deserve’ to have one more than others for any good reason.
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Ugh, please read what I said about the monthly achievement carefully. Nobody has missed out on anything with doing the January monthly before or after the patch. It was not rewarded with laurels regardless of when you did it. Nobody is missing any monthly laurels. There are people “missing” daily laurels though, including me, and that is why I made the thread.
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Everyone had a chance to get the first Laurel. I’ve completed my daily achievements before the patch. When the patch was released the daily achievements were reset and I was able to get the first laurel before midnight UTC.
Everyone had a chance to get the first Laurel. I’ve completed my daily achievements before the patch. When the patch was released the daily achievements were reset and I was able to get the first laurel before midnight UTC.
The update was between 2 – 9am my time, during a weekday, reset is 11am my time. I don’t agree with you that everybody had that chance.
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Everyone had a chance to get the first Laurel. I’ve completed my daily achievements before the patch. When the patch was released the daily achievements were reset and I was able to get the first laurel before midnight UTC.
Not real. Those people that were at UTC + 5/6 didn’t had the same chances to get the Laurels as a UTC timezone player. Or do you expect for people to stay awake till 3AM to get a daily and then go work next morning?
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The best part of the daily is that no matter your timezone you have a chance to complete it, because it is 24 hours. Not really even comparable to a random 3 hour window.
By the way, thanks for the input guys, agreeing or disagreeing.
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Everyone had a chance to get the first Laurel. I’ve completed my daily achievements before the patch. When the patch was released the daily achievements were reset and I was able to get the first laurel before midnight UTC.
The update was between 2 – 9am my time, during a weekday, reset is 11am my time. I don’t agree with you that everybody had that chance.
You’re contradicting yourself. You just said in the first post that people who completed dailies early are penalized for not getting a laurel. I just told you is not true because the daily achievement were reseted for everyone when the patch arrived so everyone was able to complete the daily again for a laurel. The fact that you didn’t have time to login and complete the daily again during the 3 hours window between the patch and the daily reset has nothing to do with completing dailies before or after the patch.
Everyone had a chance to get the first Laurel. I’ve completed my daily achievements before the patch. When the patch was released the daily achievements were reset and I was able to get the first laurel before midnight UTC.
The update was between 2 – 9am my time, during a weekday, reset is 11am my time. I don’t agree with you that everybody had that chance.
You’re contradicting yourself. You just said in the first post that people who completed dailies early are penalized for not getting a laurel. I just told you is not true because the daily achievement were reseted for everyone when the patch arrived so everyone was able to complete the daily again for a laurel. The fact that you didn’t have time to login and complete the daily again during the 3 hours window between the patch and the daily reset has nothing to do with completing dailies before or after the patch.
I haven’t contradicted myself at all. Originally I suspected that the extra laurel came from completing the same daily as I had, just after the patch. This is what I was told by someone who had 4 laurels – but they were mistaken I take it.
If what you say is true, then that is wrong, and erm… well… where have I said that it wasn’t wrong?
More information has come to light and my opinion has changed because of that. I don’t see the contradiction.
Instead of some of us being penalised for doing the daily early, some of us are instead penalised for living in a different part of the world, it would seem. I fail to see how that is any better, or any more just, or how I am contradicting myself by disagreeing with that also o_O
3 hour window to complete a 24 hour daily is very lame, especially when you have people of all timezones involved.
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What we can take from this forum is that people here tends to complain about every single changes ANet makes. #truegw2facts #truestory
What we should take for this thread is that ANet should have delayed the patch till the last minute of 28th or made the Laurel only rewarded in the 29th daily! Don’t get me wrong i got that 3 hr window Laurel, but it’s unfair for some timezones!
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People were complaining that the patch was taking too long to come out on the 28th because the team doesn’t care about global players
Now they complain that it wasn’t delayed because the team doesn’t care about global players.
Here’s what people thought of GW1 when it first came out: http://tinyurl.com/bntcvyc
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Obviously my point was missed. I was pointing out that missing 1 laurel is an acceptable loss, while missing 10 is not. This is probably the reasoning behind why it has been implemented this way. I for one accept their reasoning and accept the loss. 1 missing laurel really isnt worth getting upset over.
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Obviously my point was missed. I was pointing out that missing 1 laurel is an acceptable loss, while missing 10 is not. This is probably the reasoning behind why it has been implemented this way. I for one accept their reasoning and accept the loss. 1 missing laurel really isnt worth getting upset over.
Nobody is getting upset. This is a discussion thread, that’s all.
Your point wasn’t missed, I just don’t agree with it. Nobody missed 10 laurels so your point is kind of moot. People did miss 1 laurel.
I mostly would just like to get an Anet response to this. It’d be very much appreciated, whether I agree or disagree with it.
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Nobody is getting upset. This is a discussion thread, that’s all.
Your point wasn’t missed, I just don’t agree with it. Nobody missed 10 laurels so your point is kind of moot. People did miss 1 laurel.
I mostly would just like to get an Anet response to this. It’d be very much appreciated, whether I agree or disagree with it.
How is my point moot?! My point was that 10 laurels is not an acceptable loss, so it is why we didn’t get laurels in this months reward. But 1 laurel is an acceptable loss, so some lost out. The comparison between 10 and 1 being acceptable/unacceptable losses was my point, so excluding it in my arguement would have been a bit ineffective wouldn’t it?
What do you realistically expect Anet to do? Give everyone 1 extra laurel? Which solves nothing because people will still have 1 more laurel than others. Spend a lot of time and effort finding all players who missed out and reward them 1 laurel? I think Anet has much more important things to be worrying about than making sure players don’t miss out on 1 laurel.
As to Anet posting a reply to this, I really don’t see it being worth their time. If we get an apology then fine, that’s up to them, but in my opinion they really don’t need to justify themselves on such a minor issue and I would rather they spent their time on more important issues, rather than catering to those who lost such an insignificant quantity.
Simplicity is complex.
Good feedback is key to getting the developers to listen to you.
How is my point moot?! My point was that 10 laurels is not an acceptable loss, so it is why we didn’t get laurels in this months reward. But 1 laurel is an acceptable loss, so some lost out. The comparison between 10 and 1 being acceptable/unacceptable losses was my point, so excluding it in my arguement would have been a bit ineffective wouldn’t it?
None of it is an acceptable loss.
10 is not an acceptable loss. Nobody lost 10 laurels. 1 is not an acceptable loss. People weren’t given an even close to fair chance at obtaining it.
What do you realistically expect Anet to do? Give everyone 1 extra laurel? Which solves nothing because people will still have 1 more laurel than others. Spend a lot of time and effort finding all players who missed out and reward them 1 laurel? I think Anet has much more important things to be worrying about than making sure players don’t miss out on 1 laurel.
As to Anet posting a reply to this, I really don’t see it being worth their time. If we get an apology then fine, that’s up to them, but in my opinion they really don’t need to justify themselves on such a minor issue and I would rather they spent their time on more important issues, rather than catering to those who lost such an insignificant quantity.
Have you seen some of the topics they bother responding to? With that in mind, this topic has a decent shot.
Btw, as for wasting their time responding
“This will be fixed in an upcoming patch”
“You will not be reimbursed for this”
“We don’t consider this an issue at all, 3 hour dailies make lots of sense”
all took me under 10 seconds to type.
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Are you really complaining about ONE DAILY LAUREL vs an entire month reward that takes some time to get?
Seriously?
There goes the point of the comparison flying over your head.
The point was that the argument for the January monthly not having a laurel reward was because people had already done the monthly. People had already done the daily, too. Yet it was rewarded with a laurel after the patch, but not before. This makes no sense, and is at complete odds with their reasoning for not attributing the January monthly with laurels.
Please read the post before replying, thanks.
Man, I’m saying you are using wrong weights. You cannot compare a montly reward vs a daily reward.
For the montly, is understandable, for a daily..meh.. I don’t really see the problem
Have you seen some of the topics they bother responding to? With that in mind, this topic has a decent shot.
Btw, as for wasting their time responding
“This will be fixed in an upcoming patch”
“You will not be reimbursed for this”
“We don’t consider this an issue at all, 3 hour dailies make lots of sense”
all took me under 10 seconds to type.
It may only take you 10 seconds, but Anet have to read through an entire forum and see what they can reply to. And even before they reply, they have to read the thread and decide whether it is worth replying to, then they must discuss how they are going to remedy it, if at all, and if not they have to carefully consider what to write, without it angering other players, revealing information they do not want revealed, etc.
It only took you 10 seconds because this is your thread and you are not responsible to all the players. You didn’t have to filter through all the threads and decide whether it needs a reply, and you didn’t have to consider what you say very carefully. It’s really not as simple as saying “We don’t consider this an issue at all, 3 hour dailies make lots of sense” or “You will not be reimbursed for this”. You can easily anger more players if you say the wrong things.
Anyway, I won’t carry on any more with this, as we obviously have opposite views on this topic and it’s not that important an issue for me. I genuinely wish you luck getting a response though, but I doubt it will happen.
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Yes when i do my daily later today i will have 4 Laurels. Just happened to be playing at the patch time so i got my first laurel daily done before daily reset.
It’s only one laurel and tbh if i missed it i wouldnt have minded.
I guess the next big complaint will be February only has 28 days and getting 28 Laurels isnt enough even though we got the extra ones from the last few days of this month.
Some GW2 players are always at work. So what? If you missed something pretty insignificant because of your schedule, is it really worth complaining about? I’d rather have them spend time fixing real issues.
OP, remember that this is a game. To miss some laurels doesn’t mean the end of the world… Or at least mine. If you intend to play the game several years, you’ll see that complaining for 1 laurel is futile.
I’m glad they had a 3 hour window. I waited all day, checking every minute for the new patch. I feel like I should be rewarded for that. ANd it is JUST one laurel… It’s sad to even complain about it. Events get held on holidays usually, and I’m never at home on holidays, because I go and see my family. Do you see me complain to Anet that it is unfair on me because I miss out!!!
Man, I’m saying you are using wrong weights. You cannot compare a montly reward vs a daily reward.
For the montly, is understandable, for a daily..meh.. I don’t really see the problem
You missed the point. Again. Has nothing to do with daily being 1 laurel and monthly 10 laurel. Just their reasoning for how they rewarded laurels, not how many they rewarded. Monthly could give 50 and it’s still irrelevant to the point of the comparison. Either way, I was wrong too, and my point is also moot on that particular subject. So it’s not worth discussing any more.
I guess the next big complaint will be February only has 28 days and getting 28 Laurels isnt enough even though we got the extra ones from the last few days of this month.
Some GW2 players are always at work. So what? If you missed something pretty insignificant because of your schedule, is it really worth complaining about? I’d rather have them spend time fixing real issues.
OP, remember that this is a game. To miss some laurels doesn’t mean the end of the world… Or at least mine. If you intend to play the game several years, you’ll see that complaining for 1 laurel is futile.
This is a discussion thread, not a complaint thread. Go troll another thread if you’re that bored, thanks.
I’m glad they had a 3 hour window. I waited all day, checking every minute for the new patch. I feel like I should be rewarded for that. ANd it is JUST one laurel… It’s sad to even complain about it. Events get held on holidays usually, and I’m never at home on holidays, because I go and see my family. Do you see me complain to Anet that it is unfair on me because I miss out!!!
Maybe the next “monthly” achievement could only be up for 3.5 days.
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I keep headdesking at this thread. Why, WHY is this so important to you? It’s only one -ONE- laurel. So a few players have one whole laurel more than you. It’ll fix itself on the days when they are too sick/busy to play, but you can. It does not give them superpowers. It does not give them any advantage. AT ALL.
Okay I posted this is in another thread but I feel like it will get lost without it’s own devoted topic.
The January monthly achievement did not reward the monthly laurels because it was determined to be unfair to those who completed it.
What about those of us that finished the daily achievement before the initial laurel patch took place? The people who did it after (on the same day, the same daily achievement) were rewarded a laurel.
How is this fair, and how is this any different to the reasoning behind not adding the reward to the January monthly.
It may not seem like a big deal – a single missing laurel – but I still think it’s very unfair that those of who completed the daily early are being penalized for doing so. Much like I’d think it unfair if the January monthly contained a laurel reward.
It isn’t imo and it’s a huge oversight to have allowed these dailies to launch without a weekly, or retro compensation for the achievements already done, or without properly testing what one could do to achieve the daily, or without the choices for what one would like to do to achieve the daily, or without the ability to have 1 daily per character per account.
It’s not like the 5 months we’ve been playing we haven’t earned them.
So much drama over 1 laurel. Some people take MMOs way too seriously and that ruins it for the rest of us.
Don’t you guys have a dungeon run to go ragequit over or something ?
I don’t know if you’re talking to me directly, but if you are, it’s a discussion thread, any drama is created by people who fail at comprehension.
ps. I love the new dungeon changes. Especially CoF P2.
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It is just a thread asking a question. If you don’t like it, you really don’t have to read/respond to it.
I don’t know if you’re talking to me directly, but if you are, it’s a discussion thread, any drama is created by people who fail at comprehension.
How is this fair, and how is this any different to the reasoning behind not adding the reward to the January monthly.
It may not seem like a big deal – a single missing laurel – but I still think it’s very unfair that those of who completed the daily early are being penalized for doing so. Much like I’d think it unfair if the January monthly contained a laurel reward.
How is this not whining? If you don’t intended this as a whine topic, you should write it differently. Right now, it’s more a fail of your own writing skills than our reading comprehension (or: if the whole world is against you… it’s probably you)
It isn’t imo and it’s a huge oversight to have allowed these dailies to launch without a weekly, or retro compensation for the achievements already done, or without properly testing what one could do to achieve the daily, or without the choices for what one would like to do to achieve the daily, or without the ability to have 1 daily per character per account.
It’s not like the 5 months we’ve been playing we haven’t earned them.
I agree with you, it is strange that what you mention was not released at the same time. That is whole other topic though and at the very least they said they would remedy that in the future.
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It is just a thread asking a question. If you don’t like it, you really don’t have to read/respond to it.
I don’t know if you’re talking to me directly, but if you are, it’s a discussion thread, any drama is created by people who fail at comprehension.
How is this fair, and how is this any different to the reasoning behind not adding the reward to the January monthly.
It may not seem like a big deal – a single missing laurel – but I still think it’s very unfair that those of who completed the daily early are being penalized for doing so. Much like I’d think it unfair if the January monthly contained a laurel reward.
How is this not whining? If you don’t intended this as a whine topic, you should write it differently. Right now, it’s more a fail of your own writing skills than our reading comprehension (or: if the whole world is against you… it’s probably you)
Erm. Read that post very slowly. Twice if you have to.
I said I think it’s unfair, and I still do, albeit for different reasons now. I was wrong about how the extra laurel came about, I’ve apologised for that. So you disagree with me. That’s cool, this is discussion topic after all.
You’ll have to explain to me how “How is this fair?” and " but I still think it’s very unfair" is whining, or better yet, answer the first question
Honestly, I think you’ve been reading too many whine topics to the point that you think any thread posted in here is just going to be QQ.
I am still open to conflicting opinions about how a 3 hour “daily” achievement is legit.
ps. I have edited the original post to remove the stuff that is now outdated and admittedly wrong, it now focuses on the awesome idea of 3 hour dailies.
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It may not seem like a big deal – a single missing laurel – but I still think it’s very unfair that those of who completed the daily early are being penalized for doing so. Much like I’d think it unfair if the January monthly contained a laurel reward.
The point here is:
- If a new system or currency is added into the game, everyone should be able to have the same opportunities. We can’t add a prize just for a couple of hours because we know for sure that there are different timezones and some players might not get them. It’s not about a single Laurel.
- This has the same implications as the Lost shores final event. Many players couldn’t attend due to timezone limitations. The fact that the game is played worldwide should provide equal fairness to all players.
So thing is, imo the Laurel system should only be set available after the daily reset on the 29th and not a few hours before. Not doing so, created this type of situations where depending on your timezone you have 3 or 4, thus categorizing players.
Stop being selfish. This has to be fair for all players, not only EU and NA players!
Cheers!
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It may not seem like a big deal – a single missing laurel – but I still think it’s very unfair that those of who completed the daily early are being penalized for doing so. Much like I’d think it unfair if the January monthly contained a laurel reward.
The point here is:
- If a new system or currency is added into the game, everyone should be able to have the same opportunities. We can’t add a prize just for a couple of hours because we know for sure that there are different timezones and some players might not get them. It’s not about a single Laurel.
- This has the same implications as the Lost shores final event. Many players couldn’t attend due to timezone limitations. The fact that the game is played worldwide should provide equal fairness to all players.
So thing is, imo the Laurel system should only be set available after the daily reset on the 29th and not a few hours before. Not doing so, created this type of situations where depending on your timezone you have 3 or 4, thus categorizing players.
Stop being selfish. This has to be fair for all players, not only EU and NA players!
Cheers!
Thank you, I thought the point was pretty clear but you made it even clearer.
I was going to compare it to the Lost Shores event but after I made the comparison to the monthly achievement I thought some people’s brains might actually melt.
Yes, the “one time only” events that lasts 3 hours in an international environment are very lame.
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