Guild Wars 2

3 ectos is what I’m reading on most posts…

From what I understand precursor >>>> 3 ectos, oh yeah but the godskull exploiters were fine? Not cool.

But regardless, how could anybody freaking know that the intensity of the exploit was a perma ban? Maybe if you let the players know or acted sooner/told ppl who were asking about it in the FORUMS, people would’ve stopped. I didn’t get banned because I’m not much of a crafter, but I can’t play with a friend anymore because someone is bad at programming/no one can answer questions or announce things well in forums. I can understand a temp ban for maybe a month. But a permanent ban?? Seriously, that’s like giving someone who profited too much money off a “backdoor” the death penalty because he took advantage of it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/15uwja/fyi_mass_bans_were_handed_out_today_for_those_who/

fyi, if no one checks reddit.

While there are legitimate ways to make money in the game, if a player finds a more profitable way, the onus is on them to find out if it is an exploit or not. In the case of the snow flake jewels, those familiar with crafting knew there was something wrong with the recipe. And those who saw a quick buck are now banned.

They should have rerolled the account removed the items or gold they made or roll back everything.

Perma ban for the mistake anet made is totally wrong. I’ve never seen an mmo ban players for a mistake on the devs part.

If they were hacking i would understand but this was uncalled for.

wildcode.5403:

While there are legitimate ways to make money in the game, if a player finds a more profitable way, the onus is on then to find out if it is an exploit or not. In the case of the snow flake jewels, those familiar with crafting knew there was something wrong with the recipe. And those who saw a quick buck are now banned.

Right, but you don’t get my point. I don’t care if it’s a 1 year ban for all I care. But a permanent ban is kinda harsh. They denied all of your work into the character. A total strip of their account stuff is better than a permanent ban.

Could anyone care to explain what the exploit was about?
Im with very slow net atm so lurking around doesn’t work very well unfortunately.
But correct me if I’m wrong but the exploit was that people salvaged some event trinkets?

If the case is that, I agree that perm ban could be a bit harsh.

Pukknub.7368:

Could anyone care to explain what the exploit was about?
Im with very slow net atm so lurking around doesn’t work very well unfortunately.
But correct me if I’m wrong but the exploit was that people salvaged some event trinkets?

If the case is that, I agree that perm ban could be a bit harsh.

More info here. And the thread post contains the recipe:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/151wsw/punishment_for_the_snowflake_jewelryexploiters/

Basically it was a looped recipe to give you more ectos than you put in so it was a profit. Only thing that costed money was BL kits if you didn’t have any. But the only reason for it’s major profits was due to the majority of ppl selling snowflakes at low prices not knowing what they could produce for jewel crafters at 400. But seriously, out of all things to perma ban for, this? I think a total account strip is so much better. However, as it stands, basically you lost $60 and TIME. which is more valuable than anything for doing something that profited virtual game money which imo shouldn’t matter that much in a game where you can get most anything decent without trying. I just find this very wrong.

It wasn’t even an exploit. Lol. Poor game design again but banning everyone… wow, that’s pretty pathetic.

Sounds like people were taking advantage of an unintended game mechanic. That actually makes it an exploit imo.

But I still think that perm ban was a bit harsh for this, at least if the person didn’t gain insane amount of gold.

My opinion on it pretty much echoes the sentiment of the reddit post. If people did this to an extent to get banned then they did it enough to know it wasn’t intended. And they didn’t care. They didn’t care that the ectos and gold flooding the market would have a negative impact on the vast majority of players throughout the entire game.

You can’t just strip the account of someone with that mentality. They will just do it again. I’d wager everything I own that the same people that used the karma weapon exploit and were given another chance, also did the godskull and snowflake exploits.

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit. Best to just get rid of them. In the real world when inconsideration costs you real money, it tends to make you actually think about your actions. Most of the time.

It was exploited to the point where the prices went so low that it wasn’t profitable anymore, and because of that it suddenly isn’t an exploit anymore??? People read the forums/reddit, learned about this exploit and abused it. It was not an accident where they did it once or twice but 100x of times. heck, people that have 400 jewlcrafting should know that an exotic/rare recipe needs either 3 or 5 exquisit jewls so they cant even say “but i didnt know”. Overall, people that didnt learn from the whole karma vendor bug kinda deserve to get banned, just for the amount of…. not sure if its greed, stupidity or arrogance. Probably a mixture of all 3.
Also, those that got banned and now claim they only did it once or twice… I call bullkitten. They are the same people during the karma vendor bug that claimed they only did it once or twice untill a dev came in and said “yo we only banned those that did it 60x +”

Astraea.6075:

So I read the link… it seems to be a repost of someone asking for bans for the people who used the looped recipe to create ectos.

No where do I see evidence that such bans have actually been handed out? Or am I missing something?

Their accounts are banned otherwise you would see floods of screams and whines crying about their newly banned account.

No Perm ban is about right.

Please don’t change it. Exploiters should be all perm banned.

I seen the payout of the snowflake salvaging and avoided it because I could easily tell that wasn’t intended….. As someone pointed out before people familiar with crafting could easily tell that something was off and the people who were in need of a ton of gold seen a quick way to get it……

Honestly I can see both sides of the argument on this and I think a perma ban was a bit excessive…. They should have got a 3 day ban to get attention on issues like this but not perma banned unless they were the same people who did the karma exploit back at launch because those guys should have known better… Seems to good to be true…. It is.

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@ hellokittyonline I think exploiters should be banned but everyone deserves a 2nd chance… Look at the karma exploit near launch those guys got a 2nd chance and they did much MUCH worse then the snowflake exploiters.

BobJoeXXI.2493:

Astraea.6075:

So I read the link… it seems to be a repost of someone asking for bans for the people who used the looped recipe to create ectos.

No where do I see evidence that such bans have actually been handed out? Or am I missing something?

Their accounts are banned otherwise you would see floods of screams and whines crying about their newly banned account.

I actually deleted the post you are quoting because I discovered I had read the 2nd reddit link not the first one. The first one does have a couple of Anet responses confirming some bans have happened over this exploit.

The two rules which have been true for all MMOs before:

1. Never play on a patch day.
2. Exploit early, exploit often.

Thank god, ANet got it right and fixed both issues.

AcidicVision.5498:

My opinion on it pretty much echoes the sentiment of the reddit post. If people did this to an extent to get banned then they did it enough to know it wasn’t intended. And they didn’t care. They didn’t care that the ectos and gold flooding the market would have a negative impact on the vast majority of players throughout the entire game.

You can’t just strip the account of someone with that mentality. They will just do it again. I’d wager everything I own that the same people that used the karma weapon exploit and were given another chance, also did the godskull and snowflake exploits.

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit. Best to just get rid of them. In the real world when inconsideration costs you real money, it tends to make you actually think about your actions. Most of the time.

Culling isn’t intended, let’s ban all the thieves who use it.
Bugs in fotm isn’t intended, let’s ban all the higher level people who probably hoped for the bugged fractals and ban them.
Godskull exploiters weren’t banned? Ban them.

Or how about something we call a “warning”? You know…the kind of thing that gives people a chance? I’m surprised that arenanet has 0 tolerance for people who play their game and enjoy it; exploit or not exploit because exploits aren’t floating around everyday.

Obviously they are like any other player and want to play this game; doubt they are just camping LA to wait for a new exploit everytime it comes around. But yeah, let’s go ahead and cut everyone hands off for taking a loaf of bread once.

wildcode.5403:

While there are legitimate ways to make money in the game, if a player finds a more profitable way, the onus is on them to find out if it is an exploit or not. In the case of the snow flake jewels, those familiar with crafting knew there was something wrong with the recipe. And those who saw a quick buck are now banned.

I don’t think that’s a great policy. This was a case of a very fine line… mismanaged by Anet.

I think every needs to calm down. The community’s response here is out of line. Anet has said, although their comments are now buried because of the horrid downvotes on Reddit, that they only banned the people who exploited this massively. I admit that this was a loophole that should have been caught. It was not and it was pushed and someone found it and published it and then exploited it and made tons of money. You know what, that is an exploit right there.

Kinda sucks on this.

I mean after the last content patch they admitted that costs were two high on certain things, for example stuff made from passion flowers and karka shells.

So we get a new patch and stuff for the next event with lowered costs, but apparantly thats an exploit and not, y’know to be taken as the lowering of costs in response to prior feedback ¬_¬

ArcTheFallen.7682:

AcidicVision.5498:

My opinion on it pretty much echoes the sentiment of the reddit post. If people did this to an extent to get banned then they did it enough to know it wasn’t intended. And they didn’t care. They didn’t care that the ectos and gold flooding the market would have a negative impact on the vast majority of players throughout the entire game.

You can’t just strip the account of someone with that mentality. They will just do it again. I’d wager everything I own that the same people that used the karma weapon exploit and were given another chance, also did the godskull and snowflake exploits.

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit. Best to just get rid of them. In the real world when inconsideration costs you real money, it tends to make you actually think about your actions. Most of the time.

Culling isn’t intended, let’s ban all the thieves who use it.
Bugs in fotm isn’t intended, let’s ban all the higher level people who probably hoped for the bugged fractals and ban them.
Godskull exploiters weren’t banned? Ban them.

Or how about something we call a “warning”? You know…the kind of thing that gives people a chance? I’m surprised that arenanet has 0 tolerance for people who play their game and enjoy it; exploit or not exploit because exploits aren’t floating around everyday.

Obviously they are like any other player and want to play this game; doubt they are just camping LA to wait for a new exploit everytime it comes around. But yeah, let’s go ahead and cut everyone hands off for taking a loaf of bread once.

They don’t ban people for doing it once they ban people who are clearly exploting it. They do it mutlpile times with full knowledge that Anet bans exploiters and that they are exploting. It’s the same as banning botters.

GlisteningDragon.3975:

I think every needs to calm down. The community’s response here is out of line. Anet has said, although their comments are now buried because of the horrid downvotes on Reddit, that they only banned the people who exploited this massively. I admit that this was a loophole that should have been caught. It was not and it was pushed and someone found it and published it and then exploited it and made tons of money. You know what, that is an exploit right there.

No one is saying that it’s not an exploit. It’s the punishment for it that’s harsh. Goodness, lock out their accounts for 5 years, take away their clothes, their money. But don’t take away their time. That’s such a horrible decision to make.

Another ridiculous move by anet, why is anyone surprised by this?

Crating mats too high so they lowered them and then they act surprised when people can turn a profit.

The market corrected itself before anet even rolled out the hotfix.

It’s one thing to abuse an unintended value for an item (karma) but it’s completely different when it’s a crafting recipe that anet added and required mats + black lion kits to even turn a profit. Probably why I haven’t seen a single gem store item from the daily in months.

What makes it really funny is the posts people asking about it on the forum with no replies from anet.

I can’t find another answer but laziness:

What would be reasonable would be to delete the gold acquired by this exploit and give a warning to the player.

I’m sure a lot of people did this on purpose hopping that nothing would happened but maybe others thought it was ok.

I actually make money taking advantage of other people lack of awareness, laziness or rush on the TP, why would players had to be punished by Anet lack of awareness, laziness or rush at a game mechanic?

You know I just had this thought…. If it was easier to get money in game all of these issues would happen much less often……. Most people resort to exploiting bugs like this to make money when they are in need of it… Some players say it’s easy to get gold but the issue is that it’s to time consuming and all of the rewards else where feel very lackluster and underwhelming… This is the only game that rewards players so little for actually playing it that I can’t think of any other as bad as this loot wise off the top of my head… Even those free pay to win games have better loot payout for time invested then gw2 at the moment….

I seriously think they should just of slapped them on the wrist but a.net needs to take a step back and look at the bigger picture…. Why would a player exploit a bug like this? Is your game rewarding players for time/effort spent by a good amount ? Are the players happy with drop rates and money gain as it is ? The answer to the last is no… Even the people who live the game like me are disappointed in the drop rates and money gain in the game… You have to spend 1-2 months to save up for a precurser or one of the really cool skins you want… Not because the cost but because events are under 2 silver and mobs don’t drop a single silver…. If events actually gave some form of reliable income do you honestly think players would stay glued in lions arch looking for speed clear dungeon runs or fractals ?

ArcTheFallen.7682:

GlisteningDragon.3975:

I think every needs to calm down. The community’s response here is out of line. Anet has said, although their comments are now buried because of the horrid downvotes on Reddit, that they only banned the people who exploited this massively. I admit that this was a loophole that should have been caught. It was not and it was pushed and someone found it and published it and then exploited it and made tons of money. You know what, that is an exploit right there.

No one is saying that it’s not an exploit. It’s the punishment for it that’s harsh. Goodness, lock out their accounts for 5 years, take away their clothes, their money. But don’t take away their time. That’s such a horrible decision to make.

It is not, it will make others rethink the next time if they really want to risk using an exploit. Btw, if someone got a permaban on this, he was expointing the hard way…

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Or how about something we call a “warning”? You know…the kind of thing that gives people a chance? I’m surprised that arenanet has 0 tolerance for people who play their game and enjoy it; exploit or not exploit because exploits aren’t floating around everyday.

The warning was in the terms of service. The thing everyone agrees to. The onus isn’t on Anet for people that didn’t read it. Bans were also doled out for the karma exploit and the peppers exploit, which were the exact same thing as this. And most of those people were given a second chance.

Anet shouldnt have to issue a statement every few weeks reminding people to read what they click to agree to, or to exert a bit of common since if they come across something that can be egregiously exploited to the detriment of every player that isnt doing the same thing.

Your friend knew he was exploiting and got banned for it, I don’t see the problem here.

AcidicVision.5498:

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit.

Sounds to me like you’re actually condoning the lack of forethought, testing and inaction on the developer’s half. Yes people will try to exploit what they can to give them an edge over the others and the game mechanics, but by the developers actually ENABLING them to do it, who is actually in the wrong?

So assume you come at my home and discover that by putting 1 euro in my vending machine you get 2.
You keep doing so until you rob me a ton of money. And then I discover it.
How many are the chances I let you in my house again? Zero.

Exploiters are to be permanently banned.
One thing is doing it while unware, but it’s impossible to not be aware you get 2 ectos with 1.

Killul.9685:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

AcidicVision.5498:

My opinion on it pretty much echoes the sentiment of the reddit post. If people did this to an extent to get banned then they did it enough to know it wasn’t intended. And they didn’t care. They didn’t care that the ectos and gold flooding the market would have a negative impact on the vast majority of players throughout the entire game.

You can’t just strip the account of someone with that mentality. They will just do it again. I’d wager everything I own that the same people that used the karma weapon exploit and were given another chance, also did the godskull and snowflake exploits.

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit. Best to just get rid of them. In the real world when inconsideration costs you real money, it tends to make you actually think about your actions. Most of the time.

Culling isn’t intended, let’s ban all the thieves who use it.
Bugs in fotm isn’t intended, let’s ban all the higher level people who probably hoped for the bugged fractals and ban them.
Godskull exploiters weren’t banned? Ban them.

Or how about something we call a “warning”? You know…the kind of thing that gives people a chance? I’m surprised that arenanet has 0 tolerance for people who play their game and enjoy it; exploit or not exploit because exploits aren’t floating around everyday.

Obviously they are like any other player and want to play this game; doubt they are just camping LA to wait for a new exploit everytime it comes around. But yeah, let’s go ahead and cut everyone hands off for taking a loaf of bread once.

They don’t ban people for doing it once they ban people who are clearly exploting it. They do it mutlpile times with full knowledge that Anet bans exploiters and that they are exploting. It’s the same as banning botters.

I don’t get your point. Why is it necessary to remove them in the game? Basically ArenaNet is telling him/her that…

“In order for you to play this game again, you need to give me $60, then I’ll let you slide.”

Is that justice to the banned people? I’m not sure, but at least Anet profits from it right? Wrong. Games are meant to be played and enjoyed. I don’t remember Bungie calling me to return my Halo 4 disc because I exploited something in multiplayer. It’s called patching. It’s called roll-backs. It’s called warnings. It’s called having some game admin etiquette and being the good cop, not the bad cop.

Red Falcon.8257:

So assume you come at my home and discover that by putting 1 euro in my vending machine you get 2.
You keep doing so until you rob me a ton of money. And then I discover it.
How many are the chances I let you in my house again? Zero.

Exploiters are to be permanently banned.
One thing is doing it while unware, but it’s impossible to not be aware you get 2 ectos with 1.

Random number generator is random, you could spend that 1 Ecto and get three back, or you could get one back and waste a charge on your salvage kit, or if the luck isn’t with you, you could of got no ectos, wasted your charge and the snowflakes.

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

AcidicVision.5498:

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit.

Sounds to me like you’re actually condoning the lack of forethought, testing and inaction on the developer’s half. Yes people will try to exploit what they can to give them an edge over the others and the game mechanics, but by the developers actually ENABLING them to do it, who is actually in the wrong?

If you are checking out in a grocery store and the cashier looks away with the register open, who’s fault is it if you grab all the money and run? Who is going to jail, you for making a poor decision or the cashier for enabling you by not closing the drawer?

This is a game with millions of lines of code. That thousands of people put a load on at any given moment and that 150 people are probably individually working on. No software of game in the history of computers has been bug and exploit free. It’s impossible and unreasonable to expect perfection from a developer. Now that’s not an excuse for buggy, shoddy nonsense (looking at you Bethesda), but its a reality of the medium. It’s more realistic to hold users to the terms of service that they agree to and the number of posts all over the place by Anet advising players to report issues they find and not to repeatedly take advantage of them.

AcidicVision.5498:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Or how about something we call a “warning”? You know…the kind of thing that gives people a chance? I’m surprised that arenanet has 0 tolerance for people who play their game and enjoy it; exploit or not exploit because exploits aren’t floating around everyday.

The warning was in the terms of service. The thing everyone agrees to. The onus isn’t on Anet for people that didn’t read it. Bans were also doled out for the karma exploit and the peppers exploit, which were the exact same thing as this. And most of those people were given a second chance.

Anet shouldnt have to issue a statement every few weeks reminding people to read what they click to agree to, or to exert a bit of common since if they come across something that can be egregiously exploited to the detriment of every player that isnt doing the same thing.

Well, I’ve never encountered a game that was as buggy as this. And also, remind me the next time you agree to a terms of service and I’ll tell the company to slip in a “…and you agree to pay $100 for the rest of your life to us” at the end. Who reads the terms of service. ArenaNet at the least could use their forums to announce incidents like the karma exploit or whatnot instead of going to third party sites or having the community report them because unlike us forum people, some people have no idea the things that are going on in this game.

And sure, ArenaNet doesn’t have to, we aren’t entitled to it; but I had a little hope that ArenaNet was more about making us into better players than punishing us for being baddies. They play the game and enjoy it. That’s all I’m saying. Botters don’t, they play for the money. But freaking game players who play with you everyday, pug with you, the good ones—-the guys you see running around the map to make it populated; not all people who were banned were straight out money hungry exploiters. Some were new to the game and took a risk, and some had no clue and possibly even thought it was working as intended as a special wintersday thing. But this punishment is beyond me. Was there an answer to any forum question on this matter? No.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

I don’t remember Bungie calling me to return my Halo 4 disc because I exploited something in multiplayer. It’s called patching. It’s called roll-backs. It’s called warnings. It’s called having some game admin etiquette and being the good cop, not the bad cop.

No, they wont call you for the disc back. they will just ban your console/PC/account and IP from playing online. Like they did here…
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-bungie-bans-halo-reach-afk-exploiters-article

and here….
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/1600-Hackers-Cheaters-Exploiters-Banned-From-Modern-Warfare-3-37163.html

and here…
http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-bans-several-thousand-diablo-iii-users-6401766

’nuff said.

That’s ridiculous. So if there is a new crafting recipie that crafters can actually make money from, they shouldn’t use it for risk of being banned? I bet the people who bought and sold pristine snowflakes weren’t banned.

AcidicVision.5498:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

I don’t remember Bungie calling me to return my Halo 4 disc because I exploited something in multiplayer. It’s called patching. It’s called roll-backs. It’s called warnings. It’s called having some game admin etiquette and being the good cop, not the bad cop.

No, they wont call you for the disc back. they will just ban your console or PC and IP from playing online. Like they did here…
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-26-bungie-bans-halo-reach-afk-exploiters-article

and here….
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/1600-Hackers-Cheaters-Exploiters-Banned-From-Modern-Warfare-3-37163.html

and here…
http://www.gamespot.com/news/blizzard-bans-several-thousand-diablo-iii-users-6401766

’nuff said.

Seriously?

1) Credit bans are NOT permanent bans. So no.

2) There’s a difference between exploiting and cheating.

3) Same as #2.

‘nuff said? Don’t act like you know everything. If they did 72 hour bans and a ingame money reset, that’d seem more generous. This kind of ban to keep this so called “integrity” is ridiculous.

Kanthor.2094:

That’s ridiculous. So if there is a new crafting recipie that crafters can actually make money from, they shouldn’t use it for risk of being banned? I bet the people who bought and sold pristine snowflakes weren’t banned.

Crafters know the mechanics (and costs) of crafting, if a recipe does not follow the mechanics such as the snow flake one, then a crafter knows immediately that something isn’t right with it.

I am really sick an tired of ArenaNet permanently banning players for there own mistakes. Its childish, pathetic and unprofessional.

No, ANet said after the Karma exploit something like if it feels like an exploit, DON’T DO IT.
Exploiters have been warned, they knew the risk. End of story.

Arnath.2319:

I am really sick an tired of ArenaNet permanently banning players for there own mistakes. Its childish, pathetic and unprofessional.

They are actually banning players who exploit their mistakes. Nothing wrong with that.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

There’s a difference between exploiting and cheating.

No. There isn’t a difference at all. Exploiting is cheating. And therein lies the problem and why you cannot be reasoned with. For whatever reason you think there is some philosophical difference between exploiting and cheating. But an exploiter is a cheater, plain and simple. They are using the exploit to cheat the system in place.

The two go hand in hand. Exploit a slot machine in Vegas and try telling the pit boss it doesn’t count as cheating. You’ll end up with a lot of broken fingers.

But as long as you actually believe that, there is no reason to discuss it anymore because you are willfully incapable of understanding.

I’m sorry but this simply is not an exploit. Saying that this is an exploit would imply that crafting any rare for less than the cost of an ecto and then salvaging it to get ectos would be exploiting, which its not. The Karma incident was actually an exploit, as the items were selling for lower than the intended price.

wildcode.5403:

Crafters know the mechanics (and costs) of crafting, if a recipe does not follow the mechanics such as the snow flake one, then a crafter knows immediately that something isn’t right with it.

Most if not all of the snowflake recipies require less stuff when compared to existing recipies. For example, Giver’s insignias require 8 snowflakes, when the others require 15 of that tier’s materials. It was no accident making these recipies cheaper, but ANet later regretted that for the most profitable ones.

Melineth.2859:

I’m sorry but this simply is not an exploit. Saying that this is an exploit would imply that crafting any rare for less than the cost of an ecto and then salvaging it to get ectos would be exploiting, which its not. The Karma incident was actually an exploit, as the items were selling for lower than the intended price.

This fellow has the right idea, so if the cost of 15X tier five materials and the gathered materials, falls below the current cost of an ecto, does that become an exploit too?

AcidicVision.5498:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

There’s a difference between exploiting and cheating.

No. There isn’t a difference at all. Exploiting is cheating. And therein lies the problem and why you cannot be reasoned with. For whatever reason you think there is some philosophical difference between exploiting and cheating. But an exploiter is a cheater, plain and simple. They are using the exploit to cheat the system in place.

The two go hand in hand. Exploit a slot machine in Vegas and try telling the pit boss it doesn’t count as cheating. You’ll end up with a lot of broken fingers.

But as long as you actually believe that, there is no reason to discuss it anymore because you are willfully incapable of understanding.

…No. You do not know what the words mean at all. And quit acting like you are superior, I’m talking on an even level here. But fyi,

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+cheating

Act dishonest? No, it was brought up it forums plenty of times. Unfair? No, anyone could do it it didn’t put anyone at a disadvantage. But yes, they exploited something that wasn’t intended—-I can see why punishment is necessary, but I still stand by perma ban being way too harsh.

Please don’t talk to me about definitions and stay on topic.

AcidicVision.5498:

Valandil Dragonhart.2371:

AcidicVision.5498:

Exploiters ’gonna Exploit.

Sounds to me like you’re actually condoning the lack of forethought, testing and inaction on the developer’s half. Yes people will try to exploit what they can to give them an edge over the others and the game mechanics, but by the developers actually ENABLING them to do it, who is actually in the wrong?

If you are checking out in a grocery store and the cashier looks away with the register open, who’s fault is it if you grab all the money and run? Who is going to jail, you for making a poor decision or the cashier for enabling you by not closing the drawer?

That rather depends on if the attendant is actually inviting you to take the cash from the drawer. That way not only would you be made to return it (if busted) but the attendant would also probably get reprimanded or lose their job.

Bottom line is don’t create this kind of scenario for people who want to exploit the game for all it’s worth. If there’s so many people working on it as you suggest, why can’t someone come along and test something for integrity? I think that word is really the thing that’s lacking with this game… integrity and basic function-testing, really the duck’s nuts of QA stuff.

wildcode.5403:

Kanthor.2094:

That’s ridiculous. So if there is a new crafting recipie that crafters can actually make money from, they shouldn’t use it for risk of being banned? I bet the people who bought and sold pristine snowflakes weren’t banned.

Crafters know the mechanics (and costs) of crafting, if a recipe does not follow the mechanics such as the snow flake one, then a crafter knows immediately that something isn’t right with it.

Except…the market corrected itself. The price of the mats got to the point where it wasn’t massively profitable anymore. How do you distinguish between a temporary market niche which takes advantage of an improper pricing of goods temporarily to an exploit?

If something can be self-corrected by the market, I don’t think its much of an exploit. This scenario differs from the 21 t3 karma for 2 reaons. 1) it was an obvious mispricing of items (T3 cheaper then T1/T2), and for the market to correct itself, it would affect the prices of ALL items. In this case, the market correcting itself just alters the price of the input components.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

…No. You do not know what the words mean at all. And quit acting like you are superior, I’m talking on an even level here. But fyi,

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+cheating
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Please don’t talk to me about definitions and stay on topic.

“An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or glitches, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.¹ It is often colloquially abbreviated sploit. Exploits have been classified as a form of cheating” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_

Hard to stay on topic when the OP isn’t clear what the topic is even about. An exploit is cheating. Exploiting and cheating are bannable offences. And thats all there is to it.

Fortunately, after the second chance that Karma exploiters were given on the goodwill condition they toss everything they earned from it, which most didn’t adhere to…these guys will likely not be given a reprieve.

Seriously? Permabans for players who are playing the game as intended? Unless it wasn’t intended to create rare items to salvage them? So what the heck did ANET even intend people to do with their useless Giver items? Wear them?

I’m sorry, but I cannot find any reason to defend them. Unlike a single karma NPC, this was something I’m sure was tested thoroughly, and thus’ intended. The fact they left it in for weeks makes this even worse because again: What the heck did they think players would do with the craft items?

I’m really getting tired of ANET banning players because ANET adds something into the game and later regrets it.

Will they start banning people who play high level fractals too? How about people who transmute cores into lodestones? I’m sorry, but this is just ridiculous!

I’m not even the one impacted by this, but after playing Guild Wars for 7 years, I’m very disappointed!