Guild Wars 2

im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it. the premise is really simple. Play the game for fun. have fun with the game. when you stop having fun take a break. you aren’t being forced to farm/grind or whatever else you want to call it. it’s not required to do anything in the game. so just remember it’s a game, have fun. if your not having fun, take a break. you already bought the game and it will be here when you’re ready to have fun again.

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

I cant play the game for fun anymore. I love FoTM too much not to just sit in LA and run it. I run it because I love the dungeon, but the main reason that FoTM is the only thing I do is because I don’t want to log in 3 months from now with everyone “LFG, FoTM lvl 50, 3-piece ascended only pst”, when Im still low level and no ascended gear.

Dont wanna be left behind, get in FoTM today!

Indeed OP. Someone earlier asked me “What do at 80 now they removed plinx” to which i could only respond “I didn’t used to grind plinx even when he existed”. I just dont… I explore, I tinker with builds, have fun, mess about do dungeons, trade.

I don’t get the obsession with loot at all, and it seems like I’m enjoying the game much more than the people who are :/

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

Ryuujin.8236:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

I’m hoping that ANET will fix the issues that adding in ascended gear, fractal levels without the ability to skip levels, and progression tied to RNG caused. The patch just released, there’s still room for ANET to change it a bit. Thus why I’m on the forums.

If its not changed, or there isn’t any hit of it being changed, in a week or two. I’ll leave GW2 forever.

Please find me the person who thinks it is fun to be ineffective in groups, to be useless in dungeons, and to get stomped repeatedly in WvW? Find me the person who enjoys sitting for hours trying to find a group? In what way is it fun to get left out of new content or the best rewards?

Part of having fun in a game is being effective and useful and sometimes successful. You can’t do any of those things if you are left far behind by the stat treadmill. You won’t get groups and you will be largely ineffective in PvE content. You won’t be useful and will constantly get defeated in WvW. This game requires gear and stats in order to be effective and successful…and ArenaNet just added a huge grind to that requirement with their new tiers of gear and infusions.

I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening, how the game works, or what other people are saying, and that it causes you to be annoyed.

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

honestly yes! provided you found the game fun before this patch that is. This patch didnt change any of the content that was there before (okey some class balances here and there) just added new stuff.

If you find the added stuff unfun whats the problem with ignoring it?
do you think without ascended items you’ll fail at PvE?
do you think without ascended items everyone will kill you in WvW?
whats the real issue why this patch made what was fun before suddenly be unfun?

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

El Hefe.2814:

im sick of all this kitten on these forums. if you guys feel like your grinding or being forced to do something then don’t do it. the premise is really simple. Play the game for fun. have fun with the game. when you stop having fun take a break. you aren’t being forced to farm/grind or whatever else you want to call it. it’s not required to do anything in the game. so just remember it’s a game, have fun. if your not having fun, take a break. you already bought the game and it will be here when you’re ready to have fun again.

If you are sick of all the kitten on the forums then take your own advise and don’t read the threads. Then you wont feel obligated to make a whiny thread about whining .

Fozzik.1742:

Please find me the person who thinks it is fun to be ineffective in groups, to be useless in dungeons, and to get stomped repeatedly in WvW? Find me the person who enjoys sitting for hours trying to find a group? In what way is it fun to get left out of new content or the best rewards?

Part of having fun in a game is being effective and useful and sometimes successful. You can’t do any of those things if you are left far behind by the stat treadmill. You won’t get groups and you will be largely ineffective in PvE content. You won’t be useful and will constantly get defeated in WvW. This game requires gear and stats in order to be effective and successful…and ArenaNet just added a huge grind to that requirement with their new tiers of gear and infusions.

I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening, how the game works, or what other people are saying, and that it causes you to be annoyed.

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

None of that is true provided you know how to play your character properly! I started crafting my exotic armor about a month ago, finished the chest and legs then saw the corrupted staff and really liked it, dropped the exotic armor set and started working towards that.

That means I missing 3 / 5 exotic armor parts and all my accessories short for the amulate which I got from a drop (had the right stats too )… anyhow thats far bigger gap then having exotics instead of ascended rare → exotic = 12% stats gap, exotic → ascended is 7% gap unless I am mistaken, feel free to correct me.

I get groups, I am overly effective in PvE, which btw I even remove the only 2 exotics I have when pveing and the rest of the gear replacing it with a set focused on MF and still everything except for southern cove is just too easy!
I can dungeons just fine, most of the time without dieing once.
I can WvW just fine, never felt I was underpowered when I went against someone 1 on 1. Even won some engagements with higher odds ! And this me, I dont do PvP, I dont consider myself good at it! I just play my build well nothing else!

the game doesnt require stats and gear at all, it requires player skill!

Seriously not having the best gear will not make you useless in the least! if you dont like the fractals of the mists dont worry about it, enjoy the game you dont need ascended gear!

Fozzik.1742:

Please find me the person who thinks it is fun to be ineffective in groups, to be useless in dungeons, and to get stomped repeatedly in WvW? Find me the person who enjoys sitting for hours trying to find a group? In what way is it fun to get left out of new content or the best rewards?

Part of having fun in a game is being effective and useful and sometimes successful. You can’t do any of those things if you are left far behind by the stat treadmill. You won’t get groups and you will be largely ineffective in PvE content. You won’t be useful and will constantly get defeated in WvW. This game requires gear and stats in order to be effective and successful…and ArenaNet just added a huge grind to that requirement with their new tiers of gear and infusions.

I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening, how the game works, or what other people are saying, and that it causes you to be annoyed.

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

you call it grind because you don’t find it fun. some people do. some people are really really dedicated and like to do challenging content. that’s what the fotm dungeon offers. it also lets people jump in and try it and an easier, less dedicated level. in other games Raiding is the endgame. Guild Wars 2 offers other things for ‘end-game’ content. They also now offer more challenging content that those who are dedicated can sink their teeth into.

Did you just start another thread because no-one agreed with you in the previous one you posted in about just having fun?

Everyone wants to have fun in this game, that is the whole point of the upset.

You seem to either not understand the issues involved or are living in a bubble where the others players in an MMo game somehow doesn’t affect you at all.

The world of Tyria is a living world, it needs players, players are being sucked into the Fractals because they want to stay ahead of the gear threadmill. Hence the maps are emptier, hence DE’s cannot be done.

Not all players want to be part of that- it is not hard to understand

Taking a break makes it worse.

Yes we were having fun before this patch- don’t let me even start on how my class was broken yet again, since that is off topic.

I will never understand people that sling the line “don’t play if you aren’t having fun”. You know what happens when enough take that advice?

Anet needs to find a way to KEEP it fun. Telling people to take a break is always a bad idea. I currently have 25 members taking said break and it isn’t limited to my guild. If enough take a break with how GW2 is designed this game will not FUNCTION. Can you and a handful take down Claw of Jormag? How about a temple? Nothing sadder than game death … let’s not encourage the demise please.

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

I’m hoping that ANET will fix the issues that adding in ascended gear, fractal levels without the ability to skip levels, and progression tied to RNG caused. The patch just released, there’s still room for ANET to change it a bit. Thus why I’m on the forums.

If its not changed, or there isn’t any hit of it being changed, in a week or two. I’ll leave GW2 forever.

This sums up all of my frustration succintly. Thank you. I agree 110%. I am still logging in each night for an hour or two, trying desperately to get into a low level FoTM. Then I log out and go to WoW, which I resubbed to on Thursday when I realized the lack of response from Anet concerning ascended gear. I am now a hair away from 89, I will be 90 by tomorrow night and I want to see what new things await me endgame there(scenarios, challenge modes, etc).

The future of my MMO gaming depends on two things:
-Arenanet’s response to our overwhelmingly unified stance against ascended gear,fractal levels not resetting, prescursor halloween this weekend
-If WoW’s new-found endgame has enough to keep me satisfied for a few hours a night.

In one-two weeks I will know. I really hope that I end up choosing GW2 because I absolutely love Tyria, combat, story, and I love the dungeons. Its everything about this most recent patch that derailed it to almost a point of no return for me.

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Galen Grey.4709:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

honestly yes! provided you found the game fun before this patch that is. This patch didnt change any of the content that was there before (okey some class balances here and there) just added new stuff.

If you find the added stuff unfun whats the problem with ignoring it?
do you think without ascended items you’ll fail at PvE?
do you think without ascended items everyone will kill you in WvW?
whats the real issue why this patch made what was fun before suddenly be unfun?

Hopefully my break down for why its not longer fun for me helps you understand this

1) I don’t like like being required to grind for gear
2) This new patch requires me to grind for gear now and in the future because not only does this gear have better stats (and so will the next pieces), but Agony will be required to participate in future content, ANET said it will be used in the future, you don’t get progression. This means, if I want to experience new content and be the best I can be in WvW I’m required to grind
3) MMORPGs are an overall process of character development and exploration. Its also a social. Thats why I prefer MMORPGs over single player games, even games like Skyrim. If I don’t like what the future holds, because it involves things I don’t like (vertical gear progression tied to RNG) I lose my desire to play.

What becomes way more worrysome than the actual new tier is that everyone suddenly seems to grow the fitting mind-set for this. Suddenly people start to discuss if it is ok to exclude someone from a group for not having the proper gear. Some feel forced to run the dungeon over and over again, some run away panicing.

Hey, they introduced a new tier I do not like it and I’m not happy with it but somehow many of you guys seem to be brainwashed. After all it’s you who decide how to have fun and what you like to do. Don’t let a new tier of gear scare you away from doing what you like to do. I’m not saying that it definitely will have no consequences in the future if you do so, but don’t let some items change your own gaming habbits.

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

Thats it, there was no reason. Challenge could have been made without higher stats.

I left my dead server,joined a busy server.Left a dead guild behind,helped out a couple of players on new server.Got a guild invite,did more with them in one night than I did in two months with old guild that had 150 [10 active]members.

Great fun.

YES, I finally got full exotics, all the runes and sigils I need, now I can start working on my LEGENDARY and putting together skins for my equipment!!

wait… wait… hold up. New gear I have to grind…

two months later: YES, finally got my full fractal, now I can start working on my Legendary again!!

wait… wait… hold up. New gear I have to grind…

El Hefe.2814:

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Its not necessary YET. ANET said it will be in the future. Content gating has been introduced to GW2

I found the game before ok and now i no longer find it ok nor fun.
If that is hard for some people to understand its their business and i shouldnt take up with their “pretend to be ignorant” talk, if thats not ok with u that core GW1 ppl no longer find GW2 fun then u can either leave or post more educated posts.

I was really looking forward to this patch, the possibilities i had in my mind, new level 80 areas, new dungeons, new bug fixes, proper class balance, instead they have made my armor stats obsolete with 1 dungeon and a semi level 80 area that is used for that dungeon alone and every mob semms to have at least twice the HP of mobs in ORR, also twice the damage aswell.

TheWarKeeper.5374:

I found the game before ok and now i no longer find it ok nor fun.
If that is hard for some people to understand its their business and i shouldnt take up with their “pretend to be ignorant” talk, if thats not ok with u that core GW1 ppl no longer find GW2 fun then u can either leave or post more educated posts.

if it’s not fun then why play?

I usually play games to torture myself!

El Hefe.2814:

TheWarKeeper.5374:

I found the game before ok and now i no longer find it ok nor fun.
If that is hard for some people to understand its their business and i shouldnt take up with their “pretend to be ignorant” talk, if thats not ok with u that core GW1 ppl no longer find GW2 fun then u can either leave or post more educated posts.

if it’s not fun then why play?

I dont play it as much as i did before, what is the purpose of your question?

How can you have fun when everyone is now got the gear treadmill in their head.

OH i want to do a dungeon, wait I can’t, everyone is doing FoTM lvl 20 now. I can’t find anyone to do level 1. So just gonna sit around in LA now for weeks on end.

Then you could counter it saying doing it with your guild. Well the argument with that is Find a guild that’s doing PvE dungeons nowadays thats got space and on level 1.

Most guilds that say they do PvE and PvP basiclly just do Wv3 and thats it. Thats my exp with jumping to 5 servers to find a PvE guild.

They have completely removed the ability to take your time and do what you like for PvE and Wv3 players. It’s now World of Guild Wars. Rush to max level or be left behind.

Anet sold this game on, do what you like and won’t be left behind. 3 months on they changed there mind.

I honestly feel like i have been robbed of my £59.99

I know about 10% of most MMO players look at there game forums but look at the number of positive and Negitive threads. Negitive wins by a mile

I am with them. I am off back to WoW once again. I do love that game but I was looking for a more relaxed casual MMO. Guild wars has become a more grind fest than WoW so…….

cesmode.4257:

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

I’m hoping that ANET will fix the issues that adding in ascended gear, fractal levels without the ability to skip levels, and progression tied to RNG caused. The patch just released, there’s still room for ANET to change it a bit. Thus why I’m on the forums.

If its not changed, or there isn’t any hit of it being changed, in a week or two. I’ll leave GW2 forever.

In one-two weeks I will know. I really hope that I end up choosing GW2 because I absolutely love Tyria, combat, story, and I love the dungeons. Its everything about this most recent patch that derailed it to almost a point of no return for me.

so why not just do those things? skip the stuff you don’t find fun.

Loumy.7841:

I usually play games to torture myself!

This made me laugh, although I hope it is not true!

El Hefe.2814:

cesmode.4257:

Xpiher.5209:

Ryuujin.8236:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

Then go play a game you do enjoy. This isn’t a skinner box.

I’m hoping that ANET will fix the issues that adding in ascended gear, fractal levels without the ability to skip levels, and progression tied to RNG caused. The patch just released, there’s still room for ANET to change it a bit. Thus why I’m on the forums.

If its not changed, or there isn’t any hit of it being changed, in a week or two. I’ll leave GW2 forever.

In one-two weeks I will know. I really hope that I end up choosing GW2 because I absolutely love Tyria, combat, story, and I love the dungeons. Its everything about this most recent patch that derailed it to almost a point of no return for me.

so why not just do those things? skip the stuff you don’t find fun.

So why can we skip those things? cant skip the stuff we dont find fun.

fun … where?

i will come back and play it when its fixed to be fun again,

everyone i know quitted … couse guess what? ITS NOT FUN!

we give our feedback so they can blame themselves for ruining the game
or simply improve it, so we might come back and play it

Melonbrew.9681:

How can you have fun when everyone is now got the gear treadmill in their head.

OH i want to do a dungeon, wait I can’t, everyone is doing FoTM lvl 20 now. I can’t find anyone to do level 1. So just gonna sit around in LA now for weeks on end.

Then you could counter it saying doing it with your guild. Well the argument with that is Find a guild that’s doing PvE dungeons nowadays thats got space and on level 1.

Most guilds that say they do PvE and PvP basiclly just do Wv3 and thats it. Thats my exp with jumping to 5 servers to find a PvE guild.

They have completely removed the ability to take your time and do what you like for PvE and Wv3 players. It’s now World of Guild Wars. Rush to max level or be left behind.

Anet sold this game on, do what you like and won’t be left behind. 3 months on they changed there mind.

I honestly feel like i have been robbed of my £59.99

I know about 10% of most MMO players look at there game forums but look at the number of positive and Negitive threads. Negitive wins by a mile

I am with them. I am off back to WoW once again. I do love that game but I was looking for a more relaxed casual MMO. Guild wars has become a more grind fest than WoW so…….

don’t worry about the people who have ‘geartreadmill’ in their heads. just do what you enjoy doing. the new gear is not required.

El Hefe.2814:

Melonbrew.9681:

How can you have fun when everyone is now got the gear treadmill in their head.

OH i want to do a dungeon, wait I can’t, everyone is doing FoTM lvl 20 now. I can’t find anyone to do level 1. So just gonna sit around in LA now for weeks on end.

Then you could counter it saying doing it with your guild. Well the argument with that is Find a guild that’s doing PvE dungeons nowadays thats got space and on level 1.

Most guilds that say they do PvE and PvP basiclly just do Wv3 and thats it. Thats my exp with jumping to 5 servers to find a PvE guild.

They have completely removed the ability to take your time and do what you like for PvE and Wv3 players. It’s now World of Guild Wars. Rush to max level or be left behind.

Anet sold this game on, do what you like and won’t be left behind. 3 months on they changed there mind.

I honestly feel like i have been robbed of my £59.99

I know about 10% of most MMO players look at there game forums but look at the number of positive and Negitive threads. Negitive wins by a mile

I am with them. I am off back to WoW once again. I do love that game but I was looking for a more relaxed casual MMO. Guild wars has become a more grind fest than WoW so…….

don’t worry about the people who have ‘geartreadmill’ in their heads. just do what you enjoy doing. the new gear is not required.

You missed the point where he said he can’t because he no one else, or very little people, are doing other group related content.

El Hefe.2814:

Melonbrew.9681:

How can you have fun when everyone is now got the gear treadmill in their head.

OH i want to do a dungeon, wait I can’t, everyone is doing FoTM lvl 20 now. I can’t find anyone to do level 1. So just gonna sit around in LA now for weeks on end.

Then you could counter it saying doing it with your guild. Well the argument with that is Find a guild that’s doing PvE dungeons nowadays thats got space and on level 1.

Most guilds that say they do PvE and PvP basiclly just do Wv3 and thats it. Thats my exp with jumping to 5 servers to find a PvE guild.

They have completely removed the ability to take your time and do what you like for PvE and Wv3 players. It’s now World of Guild Wars. Rush to max level or be left behind.

Anet sold this game on, do what you like and won’t be left behind. 3 months on they changed there mind.

I honestly feel like i have been robbed of my £59.99

I know about 10% of most MMO players look at there game forums but look at the number of positive and Negitive threads. Negitive wins by a mile

I am with them. I am off back to WoW once again. I do love that game but I was looking for a more relaxed casual MMO. Guild wars has become a more grind fest than WoW so…….

don’t worry about the people who have ‘geartreadmill’ in their heads. just do what you enjoy doing. the new gear is not required.

DW about hefe guys, hes just spreading false information, the new gear will be very soon required, in addition to that i can hardly find a team for CoE that is not guild and friendlist.

These forums are making my head reel, gonna stay in the WvWvW section where everyone plays nice (hehe). OP posted opposing view in another’s thread, then posts his own thread complaining about the other threads, then others oppose his view in his thread and start new threads ….. aaaagggghhhhh

Sorry, not saying everyone’s viewpoint isn’t valid and relevant, it is – just had to get that out. Unfortunately, seems like the ship has sailed, so we’ll all have to make our decision on whether to coninue with the game in its current form.

@ E Hefe

I’m sorry but I have to ask- are you stoned?
Because you do not seem to comprehend anything that is being said to you and you answer everyone with exactly the same line regardless of what they actually posted. People have very real reasons for their objections, they answer your post with reason and you say the same thing over and over again.
What is up with that?
If you didn’t want a discussion why start a tread?

Xpiher.5209:

Galen Grey.4709:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

honestly yes! provided you found the game fun before this patch that is. This patch didnt change any of the content that was there before (okey some class balances here and there) just added new stuff.

If you find the added stuff unfun whats the problem with ignoring it?
do you think without ascended items you’ll fail at PvE?
do you think without ascended items everyone will kill you in WvW?
whats the real issue why this patch made what was fun before suddenly be unfun?

Hopefully my break down for why its not longer fun for me helps you understand this

1) I don’t like like being required to grind for gear
2) This new patch requires me to grind for gear now and in the future because not only does this gear have better stats (and so will the next pieces), but Agony will be required to participate in future content, ANET said it will be used in the future, you don’t get progression. This means, if I want to experience new content and be the best I can be in WvW I’m required to grind
3) MMORPGs are an overall process of character development and exploration. Its also a social. Thats why I prefer MMORPGs over single player games, even games like Skyrim. If I don’t like what the future holds, because it involves things I don’t like (vertical gear progression tied to RNG) I lose my desire to play.

Thing is as far as we know and there is 0 reason to think it will be any different the agony mechanic which is the only thing you really need ascended gear for is in the fractals of the mists dungeon. This to me was created to provided content for people who like gear grinds, threadmills and stuff like that. If you dont enjoy that sort of thing then you’re not going to play fotm which means agony is a non issue for you which means you dont really need ascended armor.

What new content are you bared from without ascended gear? Southern cove certainly not, not even the fractals of the mists dungeon since Agony doesnt even kick in before you get to level 10!

As for being the best you can be in WvW.. okey you have a very small point there but in my opinion its negligable it will not make any difference in the grand scheme of things! You’re not going to have an easy time or a hard time in WvW based on what gear rarity your wearing! there are many more factors with far greater effect then this miniscule thing!

but well its up to you! I cant tell you how you feel! I can only tell you some issues you’re seeing arent really there from where I am standing!

People who play WvW can’t just ignore the new tier. Other players WILL bring it in to the maps, and it WILL affect them negatively if their opponents have the upper hand in stats. Yeah they’ll “eventually” add ascended gear to WvW, but people might be fed up with losing a disproportionate amount of their battles by that point.

I also did the math on my back piece (which I upgraded from rare + exotic jewel to ascended) and it was a 22% increase in the relevant stats. Nothing was lost to magic find or other stats I wouldn’t use. One piece isn’t a huge deal (I gained ~7 toughness and 1% crit) but it adds up very quickly.

El Hefe.2814:

xtorma.1283:

El Hefe.2814:

Fozzik.1742:

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.

it’s not required. if you don’t find it fun, don’t do it. i guarantee you will enjoy the game more.

If that’s the case, there was no reason for the stat increase.

the increase is to give those players a reward. they new gear isn’t easy to get. it requires dedication and skill. but it is also not necessary to complete other content.

Which could have just as easily been achieved with skins, and would have avoided the entire reason for this and many other threads. If it were just about fun, the stats wouldn’t matter. Most people realize this and are asking themselves….why the stats then?

I have my fun in wvw, I don’t need the stats at this time. As they add more and more pieces of the gear with additional stats, it is going to start to make a difference, and then I will need to get this gear to stay competitive. I can’t really see a reason for this other thier desire to start a cycle that intends to keep people playing and buying gems in order to stay competitive.

Nobody which claims he wants efficiency will ever choose an obsolete tier, its as simple as it is.

short answer:
A week ago i logged every day and asked “what i feel to do today?”
And then started playing for hours with friends……

I cannot do the same now…..because anet decided what i MUST do, andbecause they divided the community…..

Morrigan.2809:

@ E Hefe

I’m sorry but I have to ask- are you stoned?
Because you do not seem to comprehend anything that is being said to you and you answer everyone with exactly the same line regardless of what they actually posted. People have very real reasons for their objections, they answer your post with reason and you say the same thing over and over again.
What is up with that?
If you didn’t want a discussion why start a tread?

i understand what you guys saying. you aren’t having fun. you are upset that guild wars 2 isnt fun for you. im telling you the simple but honest truth. im wondering why you guys don’t understand. it’s a simple question. are you having fun? if you answered no. then take a break from the game.

Galen Grey.4709:

Xpiher.5209:

Galen Grey.4709:

Xpiher.5209:

I’m not doing it, but not playing the game anymore. The game is no longer fun, to me, with the introduction of this patch. Is that so hard to understand?

honestly yes! provided you found the game fun before this patch that is. This patch didnt change any of the content that was there before (okey some class balances here and there) just added new stuff.

If you find the added stuff unfun whats the problem with ignoring it?
do you think without ascended items you’ll fail at PvE?
do you think without ascended items everyone will kill you in WvW?
whats the real issue why this patch made what was fun before suddenly be unfun?

Hopefully my break down for why its not longer fun for me helps you understand this

1) I don’t like like being required to grind for gear
2) This new patch requires me to grind for gear now and in the future because not only does this gear have better stats (and so will the next pieces), but Agony will be required to participate in future content, ANET said it will be used in the future, you don’t get progression. This means, if I want to experience new content and be the best I can be in WvW I’m required to grind
3) MMORPGs are an overall process of character development and exploration. Its also a social. Thats why I prefer MMORPGs over single player games, even games like Skyrim. If I don’t like what the future holds, because it involves things I don’t like (vertical gear progression tied to RNG) I lose my desire to play.

Thing is as far as we know and there is 0 reason to think it will be any different the agony mechanic which is the only thing you really need ascended gear for is in the fractals of the mists dungeon. This to me was created to provided content for people who like gear grinds, threadmills and stuff like that. If you dont enjoy that sort of thing then you’re not going to play fotm which means agony is a non issue for you which means you dont really need ascended armor.

You don’t get progression if the gear isn’t required for future content. If its only limited to fractals, why bother adding it? This doesn’t satisfy the people who like character progression tied to gear and it only pisses everyone else off. And ANET already said that they’ll use Agony mechanics in future updates. It doesn’t matter if Agony mechanics are only limited to dungeons, or certain dungeons in the future. The point is that the gear still has the best stats, and to do those future dungeons I have to go through an insane amount of grind to even participate in the new content (progression doesn’t exist if you don’t require previous pieces to get new ones). Content gating is simply bad (outside buying new content, which is understandable).

You should have read more posts before you made ANOTHER thread about this. If you don’t understand why this impacts the game in a negative way, go educate yourself on one of the 50 threads about this topic. And then if you have something to say, then guess what you can do? :O
You can post your opinion on the already existing thread!
Or are you just trying to draw attention to yourself?

I bought this game because I believed it would focus on fun. Here is one of the statements that encouraged me to buy it and continue playing it until the recently.

Colin Johanson, Lead Content Designer

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

Can someone just clarify this for me: What changed?

People are saying the game is no longer fun, but the game that existed before the patch is still here. They simply added new content.

If the old content was fun, why are you trying to do things that are un-fun? Why not stick to the stuff you find to be fun? (I personally hate sPvP so I don’t sPvP. Problem solved, if you don’t like fractals or the karka, don’t do them)

dalendria.3762:

I bought this game because I believed it would focus on fun. Here is one of the statements that encouraged me to buy it and continue playing it until the recently.

Colin Johanson, Lead Content Designer

“The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

so you have a problem with legendaries? they aren’t required.

Ryuujin.8236:

Can someone just clarify this for me: What changed?

People are saying the game is no longer fun, but the game that existed before the patch is still here. They simply added new content.

If the old content was fun, why are you trying to do things that are un-fun? Why not stick to the stuff you find to be fun? (I personally hate sPvP so I don’t sPvP. Problem solved)

I already explained it to you. Grinding on a treadmill for hours a day to get the best gear, that will be required for future content, has killed all motivation to play, thus making the rest of the game not fun.

Ryuujin.8236:

Can someone just clarify this for me: What changed?

People are saying the game is no longer fun, but the game that existed before the patch is still here. They simply added new content.

“They simply added new content” o_O

Fozzik.1742:

*Please find me the person who thinks it is fun to be ineffective in groups, to be useless in dungeons, and to get stomped repeatedly in WvW? Find me the person who enjoys sitting for hours trying to find a group? In what way is it fun to get left out of new content or the best rewards?

Part of having fun in a game is being effective and useful and sometimes successful. You can’t do any of those things if you are left far behind by the stat treadmill. You won’t get groups and you will be largely ineffective in PvE content. You won’t be useful and will constantly get defeated in WvW. This game requires gear and stats in order to be effective and successful…and ArenaNet just added a huge grind to that requirement with their new tiers of gear and infusions.

I’m sorry you don’t understand what’s happening, how the game works, or what other people are saying, and that it causes you to be annoyed.

We’re TRYING to play the game for fun. ArenaNet is requiring a stat grind of ever-growing proportions in order to reach that fun.*

Well said!