Played another MMO for 10 min. back to GW2
Actually if anyone is talking Rubbish it’d be you, World of Warcraft the worlds first MMORPG!!!! what are you smoking? or how old are you?
Because i was playing multiple MMORPG’s long before WoW raised it’s ugly head, I was actually enjoying Anarchy Online when WoW was opened, i thought WoW was bad then and i still do now, WoW was just a copy of a few others at the time, as with everything Blizzard make they copy everyone elses ideas…
Another one with reading comprehension problems…
“World first” as in “the most popular, with the biggest player base”. I know it’s not the first MMO, I was playing UO beta 17+ years ago…
Djokovic is the “world first” tennis player, that doesn’t mean he is the first person to ever play tennis.
English lesson over.I’m guessing English isn’t your primary language, so I’ll drop a piece of advice for you for future conversations-
“World First” means the first person in the world to do something. I can’t imagine any native English speaker reading that and thinking “Oh, this means he’s the best player in the world!”
I apologize if it wasn’t clear enough, but I was meaning what I explained in the previous post. I still wasn’t deserving the arrogant and insulting tone the person used to correct me (“how old are you?”… and I’m most likely older than him), that’s why I answered with a similar tone… I don’t hold the other cheek when people are aggressive. Not to mention that I already had corrected the confusion in a previous post. Thank you for using a polite tone, kudos for that.
So those mmorpg.com rankings rate failed games played by a tiny minority higher than the most popular MMORPG of the planet, and totally disregards the number of voters. One of the rules to get an even remotely valid poll is to use the same sample size for all involved parties. This makes it a totally unreliable way of polling players, and makes the whole ranking system totally irrelevant.
Want to get a “hint” of reality out of that mmorpg.com list?
768 people voted for TSW.
1008 for GW2.
9332 for WoW.
1661 for EQ.
etc… etc…
and 260 for DF:UW.
The sample size is so random you can’t get anything out of this list. To be representative, it would need to include the same amount of voters, and include voters who would not play DF:UW and therefore didn’t bother voting for it. Otherwise, it’s like a political poll who would only poll one side, you can’t get accurate numbers if you mostly poll the fans of something.
The Farstar Alliance [TFA] – Gandara Server.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
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“World First” means the first person in the world to do something. I can’t imagine any native English speaker reading that and thinking “Oh, this means he’s the best player in the world!”
Also, in MMO-speak, “world first” means the first person/group in the game to do something. So, yeah, nearly everyone who reads the statement “worlds first MMO” will interpret it is as the first one, not the best one.
Further, Korrigan, if English really isn’t your first language, don’t lecture native speakers about it. On second thought, even if it is your first language don’t lecture anyone about it, because you are clearly not an English teacher.
I already apologized once, shall I do it again, or do you just enjoy punching downed people?
Or is it just that you people have nothing to answer to my dismissal of mmorpg.com’s list validity, and therefore focus on the language issue instead of the matter at hand?
See my previous post for the complete thing, I won’t answer to more pointless posts.
The Farstar Alliance [TFA] – Gandara Server.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
I posted befor reading your response.
I don’t care about mmorpg.com one way or the other, I’m responding to your arrogance.
Hahaha not the mmorpg.com ratings please! You can’t be serious using those as reference for the popularity of a MMORPG. Do you realize that list ranks failed games like Vanguard, Ryzom or Warhammer higher than the world’s first MMORPG World of Warcraft? Talk about a pile of rubbish.
Would Darkfail be free to play, with a cash shop, I would be less harsh, but it isn’t… those guys think they can sell their trash the same price than top quality games and then also ask an as high monthly sub as top quality games too.
I don’t slam independent developers for trying to make something new. I slam them for creating overpriced trash which gives a bad name to the whole MMORPG genre.F2P with a cash shop for a hardcore, pvp centric, FFA, full loot mmo? I think it is fairly obvious why that model would be highly unlikely to work.
And asking a monthly fee as high as AAA quality games isn’t any better. Would they ask no purchase price and something like $10/month, it would sound more reasonable since their game is a pile of bugged trash. Asking as much as a AAA quality game is arrogant and greedy. The OP paid for it… sadly.
I do have to agree with you there Korrigan!
MMORPG.com is a total waste of time when it comes to anything because they are completely biased. There’s this tendency in the media to not allow for any improvement and it shows especially there. The writers in this website in particular can find no wrong, believe that every game released is the best thing ever and their audience reflects that. They ban anyone who disagrees and offers a descenting opinion and critical thinking on anything. There’s also some mention by some of the more honest youtube personalities that the media when it comes to games has a stranglehold on the reviewers of these games by making it known behind closed doors that if they say anything negative especially around the time before launch that these game companies will cutoff access to future games (which most likely will cascade if they know enough people in the business) so we really don’t see hardcore honest reviews on everything.
I’m all for positive reviews but people have to remember there’s plenty of room for improvement even in a title as great as this. It’s why I’ve been pushing for a kitchen sink update because the ui/class bugs all need addressing before we go any further and now that the report of earnings is out we know NCsoft has the funds to do it.
Balance Team: Please Fix Mine Toolbelt Positioning!
I posted befor reading your response.
I don’t care about mmorpg.com one way or the other, I’m responding to your arrogance.
I suggest you read the post of the person I was answering to if you want to see “arrogance”. When someone questions the age of another instead of addressing the topic at hand, he doesn’t deserve any respect.
What would you say if I now answered “You call me arrogant? How old are you?”. I guess you wouldn’t be happy either.
The guy could have corrected me without insulting me. As I said, I don’t hold the other cheek, I answer to people the same way they address me. Want me friendly? Be friendly, as the other person who corrected me was.
And this is definitely my last post about this. Please address my critic of the ranking system if you want more answers from me, if you persist on bashing me based on a language problem, I will ignore you.
The Farstar Alliance [TFA] – Gandara Server.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
(edited by Korrigan.4837)
You were repeatedly asked why you claimed that WoW was the first MMO, and when you finally responded that you meant it was the best MMO, you insisted that your statement was clear and the other person was wrong.
It’s the other way around, you made an incorrect statement and were corrected, then refused to accept this. That’s arrogance.
Anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. As far as I’m concerned, you’re a teenager with an attitude.
you know.. theres this groups of people that think that gw2 will get destroyed to oblivion by eso once its comes out..
I have no opinion one way other other on this…….but this crap happens every time a new MMO comes out. gw2 was also going to dethrone WoW as were many others going to destroy each other. Its no wonder people are so disappointed by an MMO when they play it when this kind of hype is built up around them for months before release. They have nowhere to go but down to disappointment. I’d hate to be a developer with this kind of hype out there.
you know.. theres this groups of people that think that gw2 will get destroyed to oblivion by eso once its comes out..
I have no opinion one way other other on this…….but this crap happens every time a new MMO comes out. gw2 was also going to dethrone WoW as were many others going to destroy each other. Its no wonder people are so disappointed by an MMO when they play it when this kind of hype is built up around them for months before release. They have nowhere to go but down to disappointment. I’d hate to be a developer with this kind of hype out there.
The kind of games I could see harming GW2 would be one with similar combat and content mechanics (action based combat with dynamic dodging, no fixed trinity roles, dynamic events, level downscaling, etc…) but with a more “serious” tone to it. Some content in GW2 is, no offense meant, quite ridiculous. Back pieces come to my mind as prime examples… quaggan packs, tentacles, etc… those new hats in the shop are also not very “serious” looking either. Bow with unicorns shooting rainbows, that comes straight from a “Carebears” episode. All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, but thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild and I rarely do pickup groups so I can ignore them most of the times.
If another game offers the same great gameplay and open world in a more “serious” and “darker” setting, I will most likely consider it. So yeah, if ESO copies the best of GW2 while ignoring the “my little pony” style fluff content, it will be a serious contender for the position of “main MMORPG” for me, no matter how much I enjoy all the other GW2 features. There’s just too much “silly” stuff sometimes compared to the more “serious” stuff. So if some games takes all the good features of GW2, with the same awesome production quality, but goes for a more grim, darker and realistic setting for characters and equipment, it will win me over.
The Farstar Alliance [TFA] – Gandara Server.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
(edited by Korrigan.4837)
you know.. theres this groups of people that think that gw2 will get destroyed to oblivion by eso once its comes out..
I have no opinion one way other other on this…….but this crap happens every time a new MMO comes out. gw2 was also going to dethrone WoW as were many others going to destroy each other. Its no wonder people are so disappointed by an MMO when they play it when this kind of hype is built up around them for months before release. They have nowhere to go but down to disappointment. I’d hate to be a developer with this kind of hype out there.
The kind of games I could see harming GW2 would be one with similar combat and content mechanics (action based combat with dynamic dodging, no fixed trinity roles, dynamic events, level downscaling, etc…) but with a more “serious” tone to it. Some content is GW2 is, no offense meant, quite ridiculous. Back pieces come to my mind as prime examples… quaggan packs, tentacles, etc… those new hats in the shop are also not very “serious” looking either. All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild.
If another game offers the same great gameplay and open world in a more “serious” or “dark” setting, I will most likely consider it. So yeah, if ESO copies the best of GW2 while ignoring the “my little pony” style fluff content, it will be a serious contender for the position of “main MMORPG” for me, no matter how much I enjoy all the other GW2 features.
My prediction is they won’t be able to pull it off, because A. It’s not being made by Bethesda and B. they’re trying to put everything on a single shard and I don’t think the technology is there to do that.
Also because it’s probably going to be more focused on the consoles than computers, computer users might end up not enjoying it nearly as much.
The kind of games I could see harming GW2 would be one with similar combat and content mechanics (action based combat with dynamic dodging, no fixed trinity roles, dynamic events, level downscaling, etc…) but with a more “serious” tone to it. Some content in GW2 is, no offense meant, quite ridiculous. Back pieces come to my mind as prime examples… quaggan packs, tentacles, etc… those new hats in the shop are also not very “serious” looking either. All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, but thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild and I rarely do pickup groups so I can ignore them most of the times.
If another game offers the same great gameplay and open world in a more “serious” and “darker” setting, I will most likely consider it. So yeah, if ESO copies the best of GW2 while ignoring the “my little pony” style fluff content, it will be a serious contender for the position of “main MMORPG” for me, no matter how much I enjoy all the other GW2 features. There’s just too much “silly” stuff sometimes compared to the more “serious” stuff.
This is more realistic. Some game will come out and compete more directly with gw2 and some people will move on.
But this crap of utterly destroying gw2 in one fell swoop on launch by another MMO is just ridiculous. Like so much of the population swarms to a new game that Anet shuts down gw2.
Its stupid to place that much hype on an MMO thats not even out yet and that noone can play. If anything it hurts the new MMO’s more than gw2. By the time we play them, they are so over hyped in our mind that they are disappointing when we finally play them.
All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, but thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild and I rarely do pickup groups so I can ignore them most of the times..
So you’re not part of the target market for this game. It’s okay not to like it, there are plenty of games I don’t like – WoW, for example. I don’t know why people would spend years of their life there, but they do. I choose not to. So keep your eyes open for a game that is a better fit, and when you find it, play that game.
All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, but thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild and I rarely do pickup groups so I can ignore them most of the times..
So you’re not part of the target market for this game. It’s okay not to like it, there are plenty of games I don’t like – WoW, for example. I don’t know why people would spend years of their life there, but they do. I choose not to. So keep your eyes open for a game that is a better fit, and when you find it, play that game.
That’s the most amusing part… you have actually less completely “stupid” stuff in WoW, because the setting is different. You know what to expect since the game is so “cartoonish”.
In GW2… you’re in the shiverpeaks, amazing looking snow covered mountains, as a nasty looking huge viking like Norn character, you slay some baddies, and suddenly a fellow Norn runs past you with… a plush quaggan backpack. That’s something I expect in games like Carebears online or the Sims, but not a MMORPG with such lore. There’s something “wrong” with it. I already said it’s “for me”, it’s personal of course, but I’m willing to take a bet that I’m not the only one.
I like all the other features of GW2, that’s only a “minor” pet peeve as I said, so no need to make fanboy like comments in the style of “if you don’t like it, don’t play it”. I actually give 20€ worth of gems every month to the game because I like it, I would not do that for a game I dislike, but that doesn’t mean I don’t have my own pet peeves with it.
The Farstar Alliance [TFA] – Gandara Server.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
A PvX guild for mature players with a life.
(edited by Korrigan.4837)
GW2:
Most fun.
Best community.
Brilliant innovative design.
Devs willing to experiment, constantly trying new concepts and ideas.
The sheer amount of content that flows out is staggering.
This game is on the bleeding edge of MMO design, all others look tired and dated compared to it. Everyone should play it, the devs are listening!
Can’t go back to those old MMOs any more. Trying another one for even 10 minutes makes you appreciate this one all the more <3
LOL, telling you to play another game is “fanboy.” Whatever.
The kind of games I could see harming GW2 would be one with similar combat and content mechanics (action based combat with dynamic dodging, no fixed trinity roles, dynamic events, level downscaling, etc…) but with a more “serious” tone to it. Some content in GW2 is, no offense meant, quite ridiculous. Back pieces come to my mind as prime examples… quaggan packs, tentacles, etc… those new hats in the shop are also not very “serious” looking either. All those things are (for me) quite immersion breaking, but thankfully they aren’t very popular in my guild and I rarely do pickup groups so I can ignore them most of the times.
If another game offers the same great gameplay and open world in a more “serious” and “darker” setting, I will most likely consider it. So yeah, if ESO copies the best of GW2 while ignoring the “my little pony” style fluff content, it will be a serious contender for the position of “main MMORPG” for me, no matter how much I enjoy all the other GW2 features. There’s just too much “silly” stuff sometimes compared to the more “serious” stuff.This is more realistic. Some game will come out and compete more directly with gw2 and some people will move on.
But this crap of utterly destroying gw2 in one fell swoop on launch by another MMO is just ridiculous. Like so much of the population swarms to a new game that Anet shuts down gw2.
Its stupid to place that much hype on an MMO thats not even out yet and that noone can play. If anything it hurts the new MMO’s more than gw2. By the time we play them, they are so over hyped in our mind that they are disappointing when we finally play them.
Reading these forums and you will find many who only read the hype about this game. They are the ones fixated on the manifesto that came out long before the game was ready for even beta. The team behind the game had the machine going for years before a playable game was released. Hype is just that, if you refuse to dig even a little under the surface you will be very disappointed. I was actually put off by the hype for a long time. I am very pleased with the game that was produced however.
My prediction is they won’t be able to pull it off, because A. It’s not being made by Bethesda and B. they’re trying to put everything on a single shard and I don’t think the technology is there to do that.
Also because it’s probably going to be more focused on the consoles than computers, computer users might end up not enjoying it nearly as much.
A couple of facts that are probably not well known yet are that PC/Macs, and next gen consoles will not be playing together. Each of them will have their own set of servers. The console user will not get the same experience as the PC user.
Where Mega Server is going to run into a major problem is in their PvP. It will be the same 3 teams always, based on racial factions, and since people have a tendency to be biased towards humans, I expect it to be a gross mismatch.
Also, there is a good reason Bethesda isn’t developing the game. They will continue to put out single player rpgs including new Elder Scrolls games. I know a lot of people don’t like the fact that they aren’t the developer, but at the end of the day it was the best decision they could possibly make.
If ESO is to truly be a service the same way GW2 is, they need someone who can devote all their attention to it. Bethesda simply can’t.
All that being said, I’m kind of with Korrigan on this one. IF they can achieve GW2 quality minus the unicorn/rainbow silliness endemic to the game I just might switch games.
In GW2… you’re in the shiverpeaks, amazing looking snow covered mountains, as a nasty looking huge viking like Norn character, you slay some baddies, and suddenly a fellow Norn runs past you with… a plush quaggan backpack. That’s something I expect in games like Carebears online or the Sims, but not a MMORPG with such lore. There’s something “wrong” with it. I already said it’s “for me”, it’s personal of course, but I’m willing to take a bet that I’m not the only one.
You see that’s what people like. I don’t think that I’ve seen a single fantasy based MMO that didn’t have cute items. The thing is – people like me like cute items. I don’t see why it’s wrong to have it in the game.
Also, there is a good reason Bethesda isn’t developing the game. They will continue to put out single player rpgs including new Elder Scrolls games. I know a lot of people don’t like the fact that they aren’t the developer, but at the end of the day it was the best decision they could possibly make.
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MMO games should be developed by companies that know how to create MMO games. See Bioware/SWTOR for how this can go horribly wrong.