Ley lines. The perfect solution to deadlines and writers block. Now in an easy open Can.
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Players feeling their opinions are not valued
Constructive feedback and criticism. Sounds nice. Maybe people gave up.
Why bother writing a long thought ought article with legit concerns and suggestions when its guaranteed to fall on deaf ear?
Arena net has shown that they’ll do what they want.Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Well, that is enlightening. That is honestly your belief?
That is how protesters get lined up against a wall and shot, basically.
Only in places where nothing but the ‘party line’ is accepted and you can’t compare games to things that really matter in life. To say otherwise belittles the people who gave their lives for something that they believe in. I don’t thank anyone was put in jail for saying that any game is junk.
But, people whining on this forum is not about beliefs (like the Dr. King speech "I have a Dream’) but about being ‘entitled’ because they bought this game and that means they want information more than they need, want or even sometimes deserve.
There is a huge difference.
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The Official Feedback threads = The Rug
Player feedback = The Dirt
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Well, that is enlightening. That is honestly your belief? There have been governments that felt that way.
That is why protesters get lined up against a wall and shot, basically.
Oh, I’m not accusing you of that. It is a chilling statement, however.
I can hear Godwin’s Law rumbling in the distance…
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
Lately, criticisms seems to be in the form of comedy.
Constructive feedback and criticism. Sounds nice. Maybe people gave up.
Why bother writing a long thought ought article with legit concerns and suggestions when its guaranteed to fall on deaf ear?
Arena net has shown that they’ll do what they want.Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Well, that is enlightening. That is honestly your belief?
That is how protesters get lined up against a wall and shot, basically.
Only in places where nothing but the ‘party line’ is accepted and you can’t compare games to things that really matter in life. To say otherwise belittles the people who gave their lives for something that they believe in. I don’t thank anyone was put in jail for saying that any game is junk.
But, people whining on this forum is not about beliefs (like the Dr. King speech "I have a Dream’) but about being ‘entitled’ because they bought this game and that means they want information more than they need, want or even sometimes deserve.
There is a huge difference.
You stated “Any Civil Society”. That is a pretty broad stroke. I didn’t make it.
Ley lines. The perfect solution to deadlines and writers block. Now in an easy open Can.
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
Fire up the Hyperbowl ma, we’re going to town!
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
I can’t argue the truth of this.
However I would never support or encourage complacency. Even if something seems hopeless, I feel we should always keep trying for the better.
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
I can’t argue the truth of this.
However I would never support or encourage complacency. Even if something seems hopeless, I feel we should always keep trying for the better.
Absolutely true.
Fire up the Hyperbowl ma, we’re going to town!
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
Depends on your build. I respecced all of my Youth and Vigor points into stubborness.
Ley lines. The perfect solution to deadlines and writers block. Now in an easy open Can.
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
Depends on your build. I respecced all of my Youth and Vigor points into stubborness.
Lol well that explains things.
Fire up the Hyperbowl ma, we’re going to town!
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Would you like some hard cheeze with your sad whine?
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
Depends on your build. I respecced all of my Youth and Vigor points into stubborness.
Your build is outdated. A stubbornness/curmudgeon hybrid is the current meta.
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Pretty much on the mark here, I think. It’s one of the reasons I don’t post as much as I used too.
Depends on your build. I respecced all of my Youth and Vigor points into stubborness.
I spent all my Youth and Vigor points on Chest of Dreams keys. All I got was a t-shirt that said “I spent all my Youth and Vigor points on Chest of Dreams keys and all I got was this t-shirt.”
Sales can, in part, show if you’re doing good.
Feedback, negative or constructive shows what you can improve.
Praising the game to praise the game it serves just as PR fluff that can help to sell the game, but not to improve it.You obviously have no understanding of development, sales, marketing & customer service.
Positive feedback tells the maker of anything where they are doing things right and what the customer likes about what they are doing. It is hardly PR fluff.
By giving the customer more of what they do like and taking future offerings in those directions, they almost assure themselves of not only increased sales but also customer satisfaction.
Constructive feedback is also welcome. Even negative feedback is helpful when presented in a mature and non-hateful manner.
Most of the so called negative feedback here in the forums are neither constructive or mature. Mostly it is just aggressive, demanding and mean spirited. Those types of negative comments are rarely responded to with positive intent.
I’ve never said that “positive feedback” is not useful, quite the opposite and I would include it in the constructive feedback category.
I’ve said that praise for the sake of praising, the “no matter what will happen this game will always be the best” and “people will always come back”, it’s not useful.
Example:
A game claim to be grind free (not talking specifically about gw2).
- At day 1 it takes 24h to reach max level 100.
Random John: levelling is really fast and easy. - At day 60 (changes are made) it takes 100h to reach max level 100.
Random John: it’s still really easy and fast to level your toons. - At day 120 it takes 300h to reach max level 100.
Random John: piece of cake! fastest levelling mmorpg. - At day 600 it takes 1000h to reach max level 100:
Random John: I can still level pretty fast. I have more than 15 character at max level with top tier equip, so I can’t see why some people complain.
That’s what I was talking about.
Edit to quote this wise sentence:
Also, Reddit mob rule does not a valid forum make. Any venue that can simply vote out minority opinion is suspect.
“Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games.”
- Mike Obrien
- Mike Obrien
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This is a good example of what I just posted about. This attitude is the biggest reason why they remain silent until their plans are fully developed.
I don’t think there’s much wrong about my attitude on this matter. I do honestly believe they should tell us more. Not everything but more. I would simply like more updates on what’s going on behind the scenes, I think players deserve that. I feel like the wall between the players and Anet is very high and very thick. I think the wall between players and developers should be thinner, and more open.
I am not talking about them responding to every nit-picking opinion, I’m asking to have open updates on what they’re working on. I’d like to hear more updates on precursor crafting, on getting season 1 into the journal. I’d like to know if they’re working on fixing almost 2 year old dungeon bugs. They do not need to promise us anything, I just feel they should update us regularly on their current projects.
Not everything needs to be super secret right up until a feature pack is released, that is all. They are silent about so many matters, matters that are INCREDIBLY important to their player base.
What exactly should they tell us?
Anet has said time and time again they’re an interative company. The create and try things that never make it into game. So if they say they’re working on it, a percentage of fans will think okay this will be in the game.
Before launch we heard of a shoot gallery and a bar room brawl. Neither made it into the game. Fans occassionally still bring them up, after two years. Why didn’t they make it into the game? No idea. But we wouldn’t be hearing about it if Anet didn’t annouce it. Now it’s possible that they made it and testers didn’t find it fun or exciting or entertaining. So they looked at the work involved to complete redo it, decided it was throwing good money after bad and abandoned the project.
Which is no problem if they don’t tell us stuff is coming. You’re not etitled to know what’s coming long term. You want to know. It’s not a right.
Eh, see, here’s where I find out how much of a freakishly odd person I am. See, I don’t expect anyone to actually like my opinion, or even agree with it, on many . . . many topics.
I’m moderately uneducated, uninformed, and in general a poor example of someone who has the right to make decisions of any kind. Why in the name of sanity would anyone put value in an opinion of mine?
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Eh, see, here’s where I find out how much of a freakishly odd person I am. See, I don’t expect anyone to actually like my opinion, or even agree with it, on many . . . many topics.
I’m moderately uneducated, uninformed, and in general a poor example of someone who has the right to make decisions of any kind. Why in the name of sanity would anyone put value in an opinion of mine?
I don’t know. I find your opinions to be refeshingly intelligent and poignant. Maybe it’s me. lol
Eh, see, here’s where I find out how much of a freakishly odd person I am. See, I don’t expect anyone to actually like my opinion, or even agree with it, on many . . . many topics.
I’m moderately uneducated, uninformed, and in general a poor example of someone who has the right to make decisions of any kind. Why in the name of sanity would anyone put value in an opinion of mine?
I don’t know. I find your opinions to be refeshingly intelligent and poignant. Maybe it’s me. lol
Ah, yes, but that’s not the point of what I meant. See, what I mean is I don’t expect them to be agreeable or such when I voice them. I just give them as I hold them (even if they’re subject to change on either reflection of the matter or the whims of amusement).
Seeking assistants for the Asuran Catapult Project. Applicants will be tested for aerodynamics.
I don’t feel like my opinions are not valued, as the Devs have told me my opinions are valued several times. A few times personally, and many times communally as a response to a thread.
But….that’s just me. =)
Now, if what the OP really means is that his/her personal opinion is not being validated either because certain things in the game have not been changed to suit his/her preference or the Devs aren’t consulting him/her before continuing with game design or implementation…..well, that’s a different matter entirely.
Oh, I know. They’re peer moderated. People downvote stuff they don’t like (even if they shouldn’t) and it vanishes. That doesn’t happen here. Two, three, five guys here can keep a thread going forever. But if you count individual names in those threads, for and against, you’ll find that a long held thread doesn’t mean community agreement. It doesn’t mean everyone is saying the same thing, or that it agrees with anything else.
What do you mean that doesn’t happen here? Moderators remove posts they don’t like all the time. This is honestly the worst forum on the internet I have ever seen when it comes to moderation.
. . . really? Worst forum on the whole of the Internet?
Oh, that you have ever seen. I have seen incredibly worse ones, also by actual companies. I’ve seen worse companies over “do we care about your opinions”, come to think of it.
Really, it’s nice even when we get a red post going “We’ve discussed this, and it’s probably not changing since we don’t agree with your interpretation”.
It’s far, far better than “Working As Intended” from another MMO I used to play. In quotes because it never worked, was obviously patched later, and they stuck to the story of it always working but people not doing it properly.
. . . but it’s still not as good as a couple indie game company forums I’ve been involved in. (Highly recommend Gnomoria.)
Seeking assistants for the Asuran Catapult Project. Applicants will be tested for aerodynamics.
. . . really? Worst forum on the whole of the Internet?
Oh, that you have ever seen. I have seen incredibly worse ones, also by actual companies. I’ve seen worse companies over “do we care about your opinions”, come to think of it.
Really, it’s nice even when we get a red post going “We’ve discussed this, and it’s probably not changing since we don’t agree with your interpretation”.
It’s far, far better than “Working As Intended” from another MMO I used to play. In quotes because it never worked, was obviously patched later, and they stuck to the story of it always working but people not doing it properly.
. . . but it’s still not as good as a couple indie game company forums I’ve been involved in. (Highly recommend Gnomoria.)
Indie titles have a smaller playerbase and much much shorter chain of command so if they are not responding more to players it is mostly because they don’t personally have the skills to do so. Large ones like this there are many layers between forums and people who can decide things, and many layers back down again when things are decided.
Personally players thinking that they should have constant feedback for things is a reflection of their own self-doubt.
Indie titles have a smaller playerbase and much much shorter chain of command so if they are not responding more to players it is mostly because they don’t personally have the skills to do so.
No, you misunderstand. I’ve seen pretty good overall communication, even if it’s the unfiltered bluntness of someone who doesn’t know how to “PR Dance”. (Something you can could have seen last year in these forums, in fact. Won’t say more, as it could be “calling out” the individual, even though I do like it.)
But on the other hand, more than a few times? Seen it where a studio where there’s less people than the fingers on a hand developing a game communicate openly and honestly. Luckily, the forums tend to actually be civil and respectful for the most part.
Large ones like this there are many layers between forums and people who can decide things, and many layers back down again when things are decided.
Let’s be honest? Those layers (and the “PR Speak Filter”) exist primarily so we do have a discourse where we don’t have people utterly misbehaving for attention (even negative attention) or just to shout down those they don’t agree with (which happens a lot).
It exists so you don’t get a developer sound byte or quote making it around the Internet which casts poorly on the company as “unprofessional” no matter how much it was baited out of them.
Personally players thinking that they should have constant feedback for things is a reflection of their own self-doubt.
I always like having feedback when I run tabletop games, and usually reserve the last ten minutes of time of a session to go “so, what are your thoughts, what would you like to see different, and did anything stand out good or bad?”. And, much like people accuse ArenaNet . . . I am likely to listen, nod my head, and go on anyway with what had already been planned for the next two weeks of sessions while furiously working to retool something further down the line.
Seeking assistants for the Asuran Catapult Project. Applicants will be tested for aerodynamics.
Indie titles have a smaller playerbase and much much shorter chain of command so if they are not responding more to players it is mostly because they don’t personally have the skills to do so.
No, you misunderstand. I’ve seen pretty good overall communication, even if it’s the unfiltered bluntness of someone who doesn’t know how to “PR Dance”. (Something you can could have seen last year in these forums, in fact. Won’t say more, as it could be “calling out” the individual, even though I do like it.)
But on the other hand, more than a few times? Seen it where a studio where there’s less people than the fingers on a hand developing a game communicate openly and honestly. Luckily, the forums tend to actually be civil and respectful for the most part.
Large ones like this there are many layers between forums and people who can decide things, and many layers back down again when things are decided.
Let’s be honest? Those layers (and the “PR Speak Filter”) exist primarily so we do have a discourse where we don’t have people utterly misbehaving for attention (even negative attention) or just to shout down those they don’t agree with (which happens a lot).
It exists so you don’t get a developer sound byte or quote making it around the Internet which casts poorly on the company as “unprofessional” no matter how much it was baited out of them.
Personally players thinking that they should have constant feedback for things is a reflection of their own self-doubt.
I always like having feedback when I run tabletop games, and usually reserve the last ten minutes of time of a session to go “so, what are your thoughts, what would you like to see different, and did anything stand out good or bad?”. And, much like people accuse ArenaNet . . . I am likely to listen, nod my head, and go on anyway with what had already been planned for the next two weeks of sessions while furiously working to retool something further down the line.
I never said I disagreed with you.
Oh, I know. They’re peer moderated. People downvote stuff they don’t like (even if they shouldn’t) and it vanishes. That doesn’t happen here. Two, three, five guys here can keep a thread going forever. But if you count individual names in those threads, for and against, you’ll find that a long held thread doesn’t mean community agreement. It doesn’t mean everyone is saying the same thing, or that it agrees with anything else.
What do you mean that doesn’t happen here? Moderators remove posts they don’t like all the time. This is honestly the worst forum on the internet I have ever seen when it comes to moderation.
Sure they’ve removed a lot of my positive posts too. Hell I’ve been banned from these forums for infractions and I’m one of the biggest defenders of the game. This forum is not peer moderated, it’s moderated by people who are trying to apply rules to posts. If it was just bad posts that got infracted, why was I banned?
I never said I disagreed with you.
Didn’t say you did . . . just from the quoted part wasn’t sure I came across correctly from how your reply read.
By the way, rest of the thread? If you think the terrible, hack devs didn’t listen to anything? LS2 is executed differently and handled in ways which had been in the CDIs and other topics. They have listened to opinions and tried to work with requests, just not all of them . . . mostly because “every single one” tends to run into the problem of there literally being not one thing there is a lack of someone opposing it.
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What I think makes it worse is that they have the new Points of Interest segment which actually doesn’t tell us much of interest! If you see what the playerbase is interested in, which are the largest threads still running, most of them address the April 15 patch. Still nothing is being said.
To me, that feels like Anet is turning away from me whilst I am trying to voice my concerns. It feels like an insult.
Point of interest was never intended to give us ‘interesting’ info it was intended to give the developers a chance to talk about the work they did.
Reddit is unreliable about feedback.
It’s a lair for people that will just defend a game no matter what.
The gw2 forum is the official and logical place that most of gw2 players from all the world will visit when they need to express their opinions.
Lot of people don’t even know what reddit is, in my country (Italy) people hardly have heard of it.
From my perspective the official forum is the first place people jump to when they’re unhappy and want to complain. I think the official part gives people the impression ANet will be more likely to hear them. Of course I’m one of the few people on the internet not using reddit so my ability to compare is limited.
People who post about mounts are not trolls, are just people asking for something they like, trolls are the people who reply to those threads inviting the OP to change game, writing just “oh this thread again” or “NO” et similia, without even trying to find (as I’ve already wrote in another post) a middle ground. (edit for kitten o_O)
A troll would be someone purposefully attempting to illicit anger. I’m guessing most of the people that reply (myself included) are long time forum users which have seen this very topic brought up so many times that it becomes noticeable painful to view. So the replies aren’t trolling so much as an attempt at catharsis.
You see these forums as a way for 2 way communication between devs and fans. But in reality these forums were set up for fans to communicate with each other. When devs come on, they do so on their own private time. They’re not paid to talk to you. They’re paid to make a game.
Yeah, for months before S2 we barely saw any trace of dev activity on the forums (working hard to deliver new content). We more often get replies in the lore forums although it’s also made somewhat clear that it’s being done in their spare time.
However I do think the forums serve as a passive means of gathering feedback. The community reps actively monitor discussion, aggregate and summarize and provide feedback to the dev team.
As a new player is nice and wonderful but very fast can turn into boringnes…after reaching lvl 80 and every day the same things you do:Dungeons,World Bosses,Chat with guild.The last new thing what was introduced if I am correct was some new healing abilities like Skelk poison to thief.I finished the LS very fast.
The lack of conventional end game content (i.e. raids) does have the bad habit of leaving more intensive players will little to do. ANet does introduce some grind content here and there though with the goal of providing longer term engagement. However where something like raids are a subtle grind what ANet usually implements is very overtly grind and so a lot of players are put off. I sometimes almost think that having a team (a small one of course) only producing group content would perhaps be good idea. Of course that’s a dangerous path to take since it might end up that raids become the primary means of end-game engagement (meaning no LW and even less PvP and WvW).
Anet hide everything and are not open with us at all.
Yeah but the GW2 community doesn’t reall make being open very easy…
I do honestly believe they should tell us more. Not everything but more. I would simply like more updates on what’s going on behind the scenes, I think players deserve that. I feel like the wall between the players and Anet is very high and very thick. I think the wall between players and developers should be thinner, and more open.
Honestly I do feel the same why.
Life happens where “what I want to accomplish” meets “what I am capable of accomplishing.” As I get older, the two grow closer together and I learn more about my limits. I think that most of the people posting here are younger than I am, and still believe that people are capable of doing much more than they really are.
Youth is wasted on the young.
The problem with anyone from Anet that actually is working on the game, posting in this forum or any social media site is that to many immature people take was is said as gospel and a promise, as that’s what’s going to happen or be added to the game, when the dev clearly states, “we are working on”, “trying this” or “would like to add”. Also I have seen suggestion post where a rep from a game has posted in that suggestion thread “that’s a good idea I will pass it on to the devs” and a few weeks later the OP come back and post " I thought you guys like my idea how come it’s not in the game yet" It’s just that they are not ignoring the forums buy not posting to every thread, it’s just that they can’t and they can’t give out any info on anything till their positively sure it going in the game.
Opinions are like ______ everyone has one I could
put the correct term in but not everyone has kittens
put the correct term in but not everyone has kittens
Now, I don’t expect developers to rush in and answer every little nit-picky complaint and issue, but these threads contain thousands of posts including everything from sarcastic comments, to real solutions to many of the issues raised by the April patch.
THat’s exactly what it sounds like you expect because any reasonable person would realize the finite amount of resources available can’t address the insurmountable number of points players bring forward. If you’re enthusiasm for this game is blunted by the ‘lack’ of dev response, you might as well quit online MMO gaming entirely.
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You do understand that players are as varied as the colors available to us right?
I LOVE Megaserver, but I have seen people HATE it.
I LOVE PvE, but many swears by PvP/WvW only
I like my Sunrise legendary a lot, but many says ALL legendary are <insert bad comment here> ugly
The best way to play the game that you love EVERY ASPECT, and that you feel where your feedback are valued, is to make your own game just for yourself.
Heck, even with food it’s the same. I like Chocolate, and I thought everyone loves it because hey, it’s Chocolate but as I grow older and meet more people, I found many who can’t even stand the smell of it.
Same goes for cars! Same for sports…
Lv80 Thief |Mesmer |Necromancer|Ranger|Guardian|Warrior|Elementalist|Engineer
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We’ve given feedback. When will the team listen to us and/or answer our concerns?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Guild-World-Events-Megaservers-WvW/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Feedback-Questions-MegaServer/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Megaservers-and-RP/firstNow, I don’t expect developers to rush in and answer every little nit-picky complaint and issue, but these threads contain thousands of posts including everything from sarcastic comments, to real solutions to many of the issues raised by the April patch.
For me, the total lack of recognition shown regarding these problems is just killing my enthusiasm for the game. I am sure there are many others like me.
Can we please have at least one post saying “We have read and are looking into the issues raised”? I don’t know how much longer I can hold on to GW2 in the hopes of an improvement.
been happening since launch sadly. It took a long long time to get any mention on previous posts about the loot issues when they were worse than they are now, and that thread was repeated 4 times because they kept deleting them, what’s worse is the last thread that was posted about the loot issues and lack of rewards this game suffers one of the community managers posted that it was all people’s imaginations. Now there are whole memes created about that post where it’s clear they think players don’t know when something’s dramatically and fundamentally flawed in the game design.
Some of us have been playing games for years and despite the young inexperienced ones’ naivete we know that the fundamental mechanics and how they basically work, we also know the math behind these systems and know that they are basically the same on spreadsheets, so when someone doesn’t listen to us about problems we know exist in the game and they haven’t done anything about it, there’s a serious customer service issue involved here. A lack of concern for the customer’s experience is never a good sign. I’ve written multiple threads about the lack of quality control concerns going on here. Guess where they all ended up?
It’s not just limited to those threads you’ve listed mind you it’s about many many things. For example, not coding a simple checkbox in the settings to hide hobosacks on Engineers. Like seriously how long does one have to wait for such a simple code to be entered into the build of the game? I’ve spoken with multiple coding friends and it’s not a difficult thing to do at all, quite frankly the stalling involved is at this point ridiculous for something so simple.
Balance Team: Please Fix Mine Toolbelt Positioning!
We’ve given feedback. When will the team listen to us and/or answer our concerns?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Guild-World-Events-Megaservers-WvW/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Feedback-Questions-MegaServer/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Megaservers-and-RP/firstNow, I don’t expect developers to rush in and answer every little nit-picky complaint and issue, but these threads contain thousands of posts including everything from sarcastic comments, to real solutions to many of the issues raised by the April patch.
For me, the total lack of recognition shown regarding these problems is just killing my enthusiasm for the game. I am sure there are many others like me.
Can we please have at least one post saying “We have read and are looking into the issues raised”? I don’t know how much longer I can hold on to GW2 in the hopes of an improvement.
been happening since launch sadly. It took a long long time to get any mention on previous posts about the loot issues when they were worse than they are now, and that thread was repeated 4 times because they kept deleting them, what’s worse is the last thread that was posted about the loot issues and lack of rewards this game suffers one of the community managers posted that it was all people’s imaginations. Now there are whole memes created about that post where it’s clear they think players don’t know when something’s dramatically and fundamentally flawed in the game design.
Some of us have been playing games for years and despite the young inexperienced ones’ naivete we know that the fundamental mechanics and how they basically work, we also know the math behind these systems and know that they are basically the same on spreadsheets, so when someone doesn’t listen to us about problems we know exist in the game and they haven’t done anything about it, there’s a serious customer service issue involved here. A lack of concern for the customer’s experience is never a good sign. I’ve written multiple threads about the lack of quality control concerns going on here. Guess where they all ended up?
It’s not just limited to those threads you’ve listed mind you it’s about many many things. For example, not coding a simple checkbox in the settings to hide hobosacks on Engineers. Like seriously how long does one have to wait for such a simple code to be entered into the build of the game? I’ve spoken with multiple coding friends and it’s not a difficult thing to do at all, quite frankly the stalling involved is at this point ridiculous for something so simple.
You are assuming that some of these things are simple. If you have not worked on this particular game engine, you just don’t know. For all you know, some of these bugs are in the game engine themselves and can’t be redone without recoding.
The problem is people think everything is easy and that ALL THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO DO is answer questions, click a box to fix things, etc. Nothing in life is that simple. If games were that easy to develop and fix, there would be many more game companies out there than there are. There were a few games I was really interested in, during development, only to find that they coded huge flaws in the game that couldn’t be fixed. These games are complex buggers.
We’ve given feedback. When will the team listen to us and/or answer our concerns?
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Guild-World-Events-Megaservers-WvW/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Game-Updates-Traits/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Feedback-Questions-MegaServer/first
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Megaservers-and-RP/firstNow, I don’t expect developers to rush in and answer every little nit-picky complaint and issue, but these threads contain thousands of posts including everything from sarcastic comments, to real solutions to many of the issues raised by the April patch.
For me, the total lack of recognition shown regarding these problems is just killing my enthusiasm for the game. I am sure there are many others like me.
Can we please have at least one post saying “We have read and are looking into the issues raised”? I don’t know how much longer I can hold on to GW2 in the hopes of an improvement.
been happening since launch sadly. It took a long long time to get any mention on previous posts about the loot issues when they were worse than they are now, and that thread was repeated 4 times because they kept deleting them, what’s worse is the last thread that was posted about the loot issues and lack of rewards this game suffers one of the community managers posted that it was all people’s imaginations. Now there are whole memes created about that post where it’s clear they think players don’t know when something’s dramatically and fundamentally flawed in the game design.
Some of us have been playing games for years and despite the young inexperienced ones’ naivete we know that the fundamental mechanics and how they basically work, we also know the math behind these systems and know that they are basically the same on spreadsheets, so when someone doesn’t listen to us about problems we know exist in the game and they haven’t done anything about it, there’s a serious customer service issue involved here. A lack of concern for the customer’s experience is never a good sign. I’ve written multiple threads about the lack of quality control concerns going on here. Guess where they all ended up?
It’s not just limited to those threads you’ve listed mind you it’s about many many things. For example, not coding a simple checkbox in the settings to hide hobosacks on Engineers. Like seriously how long does one have to wait for such a simple code to be entered into the build of the game? I’ve spoken with multiple coding friends and it’s not a difficult thing to do at all, quite frankly the stalling involved is at this point ridiculous for something so simple.
You are assuming that some of these things are simple. If you have not worked on this particular game engine, you just don’t know. For all you know, some of these bugs are in the game engine themselves and can’t be redone without recoding.
The problem is people think everything is easy and that ALL THE DEVELOPERS HAVE TO DO is answer questions, click a box to fix things, etc. Nothing in life is that simple. If games were that easy to develop and fix, there would be many more game companies out there than there are. There were a few games I was really interested in, during development, only to find that they coded huge flaws in the game that couldn’t be fixed. These games are complex buggers.
As far as your QA/QC threads ending in the trash, it could be your attitude or tone of your post that could have done it. It may have nothing to do with the topic but I see you assume it was.
Most people don’t come to the forums to give proper criticism and debate, but to live in an echo chamber so they feel special about themselves.
Person complains about something and about a net.
More people chime in agreeing.
Echo chamber begins.
Person steps in with different opinion or defends anet.
People chide new person and call white knight, etc.
Echo resumes.
been happening since launch sadly. It took a long long time to get any mention on previous posts about the loot issues when they were worse than they are now, and that thread was repeated 4 times because they kept deleting them, what’s worse is the last thread that was posted about the loot issues and lack of rewards this game suffers one of the community managers posted that it was all people’s imaginations. Now there are whole memes created about that post where it’s clear they think players don’t know when something’s dramatically and fundamentally flawed in the game design.
wahhhhh…………………………….
john smith has been very active in the forums. In fact, he answer so many post on the bltc that we actually have an ok idea which items are part of the game design or what are the real problems in this game.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/members/John-Smith-4610/showposts
if you want to spread fud. Please do not post
Yeah, john is out there answering questions, which is awesome. During the CDIs, Chris was actually spending his weekends on here replying. Heck, he even have updates saying when he had to go cause it was family time or even when he had to travel.
Heck, he even have updates saying when he had to go cause it was family time or even when he had to travel.
Wasn’t he also in the hospital during one of them too?
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There are far too many aspects to this and plenty of good reasons why they dont do it.
Primary amongst which it will probably change absolutely nothing.Consider they do post We’re looking into this and nothing happens for 6 months would the reaction of someone who wanted that change be?
Bet for the most part it would be, ahh they just lie to us, say they’ll look into something and then dont really do it. while there could be a ton of reasons why nothing happened in 6 months.- change requires more time to implement
- they did evaluate it and decided its good as it is
- they implemented a change else where to lessen the impact but for the most part decided to leave it as is
- something else needs to be changed before they can deploy the actual change as it depends on itThey said it plenty of times that they do read the forums and they do take these threads seriously and we did see changes related to some of these threads even though we heard no feed back from Anet themselves on the subject. The moment they post any kind of feedback though people will consider it a promise, a commitment either way and that in turn will create certain expectations that are likely to do more harm then good.
kitten ed if they do, kitten ed if they don’t.
I agree better if they just not comment, and upgrade the game. If you do not say anything, you cannot say the wrong thing.
My Momma taught me “When you do not Know what the right thing to say is… best to keep quiet.” (Translated from Spanish)
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
If you think gaming is that important, please go outside and breathe some fresh air.
Good of Humanity is important, gaming is not. Which is why I said what I did. If you equate the two, you need help with your priorities in life.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
If you think gaming is that important, please go outside and breathe some fresh air.
Good of Humanity is important, gaming is not. Which is why I said what I did. If you equate the two, you need help with your priorities in life.
Where in my post did I say anything about gaming? If you truly think criticism has no place in society then you need to get some fresh air. I’ll say it again…I hope, for the good of humanity, your sentiment isn’t one shared by many.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
If you think gaming is that important, please go outside and breathe some fresh air.
Good of Humanity is important, gaming is not. Which is why I said what I did. If you equate the two, you need help with your priorities in life.
Where in my post did I say anything about gaming?
I was only talking about this game. That is why I said what I did. You were talking about humanity – which I have no clue why – equating with gaming and humanity is truly mind boggling.
We already have the most uncivil discourse, in politics and elsewhere, having it here should not be tolerated, as it is optional. One can say a dissenting opinion and still be constructive. It doesn’t need to be hateful and hurtful or disrespectful.
Maybe if people would be respectful, they would get some answers from the developers. If you ever see their twitch feeds, they love to talk about the game.
“Discourse has ended in America. It’s all just shouting and ranting and demonization. Do you know how the rest of the world laughs at you guys? Have you got any idea? They’re just rocking with laughter night and day.” Felix Dennis
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We went from CDI to silence, especially on the major issues. We do get some dev comments sometimes, but the lack of silence on those topics that the OP linked is telling.
I dont know if Anet listen or not.
But they give a very good impression of not giving a kitten.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
If you think gaming is that important, please go outside and breathe some fresh air.
Good of Humanity is important, gaming is not. Which is why I said what I did. If you equate the two, you need help with your priorities in life.
Gaming is good for the good of humanity. Fact is, One of the earliest ways that children learn rules, is by playing games.
While it is true that gaming is not as important as say ending sex slavery, it is Not frivolous or unimportant.
Games is the earliest we experience two core concepts of any functioning society.
1. Rules and laws and the need to follow them.
And related to it.
2. The concept of fairness.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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We went from CDI to silence, especially on the major issues. We do get some dev comments sometimes, but the
lack ofsilence on those topics that the OP linked is telling.
Fixed. Lack of silence is = noise.
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
We went from CDI to silence, especially on the major issues. We do get some dev comments sometimes, but the lack of silence on those topics that the OP linked is telling.
They said they were taking a break from CDIs to launch the game in China and that they would return. I’m not sure why that’s a problem for anyone.
I dont know if Anet listen or not.
But they give a very good impression of not giving a kitten.
Except we can see changes made to the game based specifically on what some people have asked for. The problem is that programming takes a lot of time. It’s always months before we see results. So people say they don’t know if Anet listens.
If you’re paying attention, they’re listening. If you’re not, they’re not.
I dont know if Anet listen or not.
But they give a very good impression of not giving a kitten.
Except we can see changes made to the game based specifically on what some people have asked for. The problem is that programming takes a lot of time. It’s always months before we see results. So people say they don’t know if Anet listens.
If you’re paying attention, they’re listening. If you’re not, they’re not.
THIS.
Here are the facts.
1. People yell when the devs give us information, and then do not act on that fast enough, according to them.
2. people yell, if they give us information, and then change their minds about How their plans are implemented.
3. people yell at the devs if they give us information, and then decide to put it off, to do something else instead.
4. People yell at the devs if they give us information, and then implement it, without asking the players HOW they wanted it implemented.
Fact.
Most gamers today are an entitled lot. Used to be that we bought a game and played it, as long as we enjoyed it. The moment we stopped enjoying it, we stopped playing it. Now we come On the forums thinking we are game designers, that know better than the professionals( I admit to this as well…).
What we need to do is post our suggestions, and assume that Anet is never going to respond. Assume they will look at our suggestions, and consider them, and implement what they find is helpful, ignore what they find is not.
We need to get over ourselves. Anet doesn’t owe us diddly…. Anet doesn’t owe us progress reports. Anet doesn’t owe us a seat at the table, when it comes to putting things into the game. Anet doesn’t owe us veto power, anet’s doesn’t owe us a darned thing. What they owe us is access to the servers. And we have that… everything after that is gravy.
Nice to see we can agree on things Vayne :-)
The mind is its own place and in itself, can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.
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We need to get over ourselves. Anet doesn’t owe us diddly…. Anet doesn’t owe us progress reports. Anet doesn’t owe us a seat at the table, when it comes to putting things into the game. Anet doesn’t owe us veto power, anet’s doesn’t owe us a darned thing. What they owe us is access to the servers. And we have that… everything after that is gravy.
That works both ways. We don’t owe ArenaNet diddly, either. They, as a company, would be wise to treat us as valued customers, and nothing less. We, as customers, should continue to support them as long as we feel they’re working in good faith to earn that support, and not a second longer.
Negative criticisms should be ignored and thrown out. They have no place in any civil society.
Hopefully, for the good of the humanity, there aren’t many who share this sentiment.
If you think gaming is that important, please go outside and breathe some fresh air.
Good of Humanity is important, gaming is not. Which is why I said what I did. If you equate the two, you need help with your priorities in life.
You stated “Any Civil Society”. Backpedal all you wish, you didn’t limit your view to gaming, and pretty much backed up that sentiment with your later quote of a euro-centric blast at an entire culture.
“Discourse has ended in America. It’s all just shouting and ranting and demonization. Do you know how the rest of the world laughs at you guys? Have you got any idea? They’re just rocking with laughter night and day.” Felix Dennis
Bluntly, you dismiss anyone you disagree with as having a behavior problem instead of a game-related opinion.
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