Guild Wars 2

Ohoni.6057:

Why not wait till we see it, or at least know more about before all the hand wringing? At this point, this is pretty much all just speculation.

I know you’re trying to be helpful, but “why not wait and see” is never helpful. We need to express our opinions, whatever they might be, at the earliest possible opportunity. The longer we wait, the longer it will take them to act upon those opinions. If we’re completely wrong here, if they already have a solution in mind, then no harm done, but if they were laboring under the delusion that they could remove currently unlocked skills from characters and not catch trouble for it, then we’re giving them fair notice in advance and they can get to work on the inevitable solution sooner rather than later.

It’s never of benefit to procrastinate.

If what you are doing wasn’t mostly just speculation I’d probably agree. But from what I can tell, that’s all it is at this point.

Ohoni.6057:

They don’t have to do a single thing. I’ve pretty much had it with your whole attitude

Ditto, just so you know.

They’re giving you the points you’ve earned based on the system they’re implementing. There is absolutely no reason, your indignation not withstanding, for them to do anything more than that.

Because they are the ones changing the system. It’s no longer going to be how it currently is, and how it currently is works fine for me. If they are making the choice to change the current system, it is on them to compensate players for the fallout. This is not rocket science. Whenever these discussions take place, you seem to take the stance “ANet can do whatever they want and it’s automatically great just by virtue of being the thing they want to do.” Well maybe that works for you, and that’s great, but just accept as fact that it does not work for everybody, and that these people are no less entitled to their stance on the issue than you are to yours. You are not right, you just have your own position on things that is not inherently stronger than anyone else’s. If ANet does not have to do anything to keep you happy, then that’s fine, but if they do take away skills under the new system, then to keep me happy they have to also give them back.

It’s their system, and their game. You have no rights. You are not entitled to anything. You don’t actually deserve anything. You, sir, are wrong.

My stance is not that this is great. I’m highly dubious of whether this will even be good. But I will live with it because I know without a doubt that it doesn’t matter if I like it or not. I know that they don’t care if I stop playing or not. I probably won’t stop playing. I will adapt to the new normal because that is how it works.

If you actually knew me you’d know that I’m still griping about minor things that no one even cares about anymore because I still don’t like the new system. What I’m saying is not, “Stop complaining because everything is sparkles and rainbows.” I’m saying, "Stop complaining because your complaints are as worthwhile as a fart in a hurricane. Also you don’t understand the processes by which this change is happening, and your “demands” won’t work and won’t happen. Regardless of how good anything is, what you have to say won’t change anything."

I’m right because I’m talking about facts. How things actually work and will work. I’m not entitled to jack, nor squat. I’m not getting what I want, I’m telling you how it’s going to be. There is a world of difference.

So assuming I read Dulfy’s notes correctly, players who are already level 80 will only have to farm out 65 skill point (hero) challenges to get back to where they are now? Not really all that bad and especially since this doesn’t take into consideration for any skill point challenges completed already.

Ayrilana.1396:

So assuming I read Dulfy’s notes correctly, players who are already level 80 will only have to farm out 65 skill point (hero) challenges to get back to where they are now? Not really all that bad and especially since this doesn’t take into consideration for any skill point challenges completed already.

Any L80 character who has completed 65 of the over 200 current skill challenges will be able to unlock all the core stuff. Non-L80 toons will have to complete more challenges to do the same (or level up some more).

Yeah, but it also says that if a character has world completion done then they’ll have enough to unlock everything. I don’t want to do world completion again. It was PAINFULLY BORING. So much so I did it once two years ago and haven’t done anything close to it since. That’s how painful it was. Hopefully the 465 pts will be enough to unlock the traits I need for DPS builds so I won’t have to do any map completion.

Kal Spiro.9745:

“Stop complaining because your complaints are as worthwhile as a fart in a hurricane. Also you don’t understand the processes by which this change is happening, and your “demands” won’t work and won’t happen. Regardless of how good anything is, what you have to say won’t change anything."

No worthwhile company takes this stance.

Any company worth anything prefers a complaining customer to one who quietly stops being a customer.

If you don’t like people complaining, why are you here reading and responding?

So what about the enormous amount of gold and skill points I and others have spent buying trait unlocks? I did map completion once, on one character, and that was enough for me. I don’t want to have to go troll around in PvE maps for hours to unlock the traits that I’ve already unlocked countless times over. The whole reason for me buying many of those traits is that I didn’t want to have to bother going to point X and doing silly thing Y to just unlock a stupid trait.

Zagzag.7901:

So, what happens to characters who’d already unlocked every skill and trait in the game?
How about people who had 100% map completion and had done every skill challenge?

Do all characters start off with everything locked and a number of hero points equivalent to the things they’ve already done to earn them? That seems most likely from what we know so far.

I don’t know if anyone was paying atteniton to the stream right now, but IIRC. They said 80s with all the skill points(hero points) will be grandfathered in with 400 out of the 500+(580 I think?) hero points obtainable. Or something to that effect; I recall the the numbers 400 and 500-something specifically.

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Yeah, but it also says that if a character has world completion done then they’ll have enough to unlock everything. I don’t want to do world completion again. It was PAINFULLY BORING. So much so I did it once two years ago and haven’t done anything close to it since. That’s how painful it was. Hopefully the 465 pts will be enough to unlock the traits I need for DPS builds so I won’t have to do any map completion.

You don’t have to complete the world. Just the skill challenges. No hearts, pois, vistas, or wp’s required. Being level 80 plus doing about 65 skill challenges gets you everything but the Elite spec, and further skill challenges get you that. I think it was 35 points or so for a full trait unlock? So 110 skills done on top of level 80 and you have all you need.

I do wonder how future Elite Specs will work if the challenges run out.

Donari.5237:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Yeah, but it also says that if a character has world completion done then they’ll have enough to unlock everything. I don’t want to do world completion again. It was PAINFULLY BORING. So much so I did it once two years ago and haven’t done anything close to it since. That’s how painful it was. Hopefully the 465 pts will be enough to unlock the traits I need for DPS builds so I won’t have to do any map completion.

You don’t have to complete the world. Just the skill challenges. No hearts, pois, vistas, or wp’s required. Being level 80 plus doing about 65 skill challenges gets you everything but the Elite spec, and further skill challenges get you that. I think it was 35 points or so for a full trait unlock? So 110 skills done on top of level 80 and you have all you need.

I do wonder how future Elite Specs will work if the challenges run out.

We’ll likely have more zones and they’ll just include those.

Gibson.4036:

Kal Spiro.9745:

“Stop complaining because your complaints are as worthwhile as a fart in a hurricane. Also you don’t understand the processes by which this change is happening, and your “demands” won’t work and won’t happen. Regardless of how good anything is, what you have to say won’t change anything."

No worthwhile company takes this stance.

Any company worth anything prefers a complaining customer to one who quietly stops being a customer.

If you don’t like people complaining, why are you here reading and responding?

It isn’t the complaints that bother me, it is the quality of the complaints and the unreasonable demands accompany those complaints. I will simply assume you haven’t followed what has been going on, and I’m not going to catch you up.

Donari.5237:

TheFantasticGman.9451:

Yeah, but it also says that if a character has world completion done then they’ll have enough to unlock everything. I don’t want to do world completion again. It was PAINFULLY BORING. So much so I did it once two years ago and haven’t done anything close to it since. That’s how painful it was. Hopefully the 465 pts will be enough to unlock the traits I need for DPS builds so I won’t have to do any map completion.

You don’t have to complete the world. Just the skill challenges. No hearts, pois, vistas, or wp’s required. Being level 80 plus doing about 65 skill challenges gets you everything but the Elite spec, and further skill challenges get you that. I think it was 35 points or so for a full trait unlock? So 110 skills done on top of level 80 and you have all you need.

I do wonder how future Elite Specs will work if the challenges run out.

Yeah… and I’ve done all those already. That’s why I haven’t redone them on any of my toons unless I happen to be by one for another reason already. I’m not fond of the idea of needing to grind out additional skill challenges to get the traits I need. Why can’t we have what we had two years ago when for a little bit of freaking coin I could have all the traits I wanted !?!?!?!

This can’t possibly mean I have to do all the hero challenges on all my characters to get all the points right? Because that’s really silly. They shouldn’t take away things that we’ve already earned on our currently level 80s. I understand having us get the points to unlock the new elite specialization stuff, but I don’t agree with having to go grab hero points on every single map on every single character. That is not alt friendly at all. If I’ve unlocked it already, it’s mine. I shouldn’t have to re-earn it again.

If what you are doing wasn’t mostly just speculation I’d probably agree. But from what I can tell, that’s all it is at this point.

Yes, but again, there’s absolutely no reason to not speculate, even if the base assumptions turn out to be false. There’s no harm in guessing and getting it wrong.

It’s their system, and their game. You have no rights. You are not entitled to anything. You don’t actually deserve anything. You, sir, are wrong.

You seem to treat this game as if it’s some basement hobby, and we should feel honored to be able to experience it. This is a consumer product, which we have paid money to play. Of course they owe their customers a certain level of feedback into how the game works, past, present and future. They can do whatever they want, but they’re wise enough not to.

So assuming I read Dulfy’s notes correctly, players who are already level 80 will only have to farm out 65 skill point (hero) challenges to get back to where they are now? Not really all that bad and especially since this doesn’t take into consideration for any skill point challenges completed already.

Yeah, knowing this, I’m not too bothered by how it sounds to shake out. Most of my characters are at least close to that and have room to pick up some easy spares. 65 SPs is really almost nothing, you can get more than half of those in starter zones and at least twice that many without having to fight anything.

I do wonder how many points we’ll need for the 6th track though, and how many HoT will add. Will we need to get World Completion (for skills) PLUS HoT ones to max the new Spec? Or would just having World Completion be enough to fully unlock the Spec on day one? Or would new HoT content alone provide enough Hero Points to unlock the new spec if you already have just enough to unlock the old stuff?