Guild Wars 2

Greetings friends! It’s been a while since I came around, and I see they got rid of the Black Lion Trading forums. Not sure why they decided to do that, but worry not, as I’m here to bring back the magic of market talk.

As you know, Precursors are wondrous luxury item. Many people want one, but a lot feel they’re unable to afford one, let alone get lucky enough to win RNG. Well, with Precursors being so ultra rare, there are some available right now on the TP for 100 Gold or less! As you’ll see in the attached screen shots, there are options for the budget minded players who want a Legendary, but lack the funds to buy Dusk or Spark.

Oh, i totally forgot that underwater combat is still in-game.

I think ANet pretty mich gave up on that matter…

Which is a shame. If it received just a minimal amount of dev effort (and a restoration and re-implementation of the water areas in WvW instead of the ~removal they pulled) then the 3D combat could be amazing for how much it shakes up the combat system of the game.

It’s just… It needs so little. One pass over the raw damage numbers of the underwater weapons. Done. Just the numbers! Not even the skill effects, those are meh but can be manageable!

Yeah try killing a ranger 1v1 underwater

Staying in topic, I think getting a precursor drop for the first time and seeing it’s one of those would probably break my heart.

Tom Gore.4035:

Staying in topic, I think getting a precursor drop for the first time and seeing it’s one of those would probably break my heart.

Remember, Precursors are one of the rarest items that can drop in game. But if you’re not lucky enough to hit that jackpot, then you can buy one of the listed in my OP pic for cheap. Proof positive that Precursors are affordable.

Not this again.

That’s all well and good if you just want a legendary and don’t care which one, or happen to really like Rodgort, Frenzy, or Kraitkin.

But most people want the ones for the weapons they actually use, and you know that kitten well.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Tom Gore.4035:

Staying in topic, I think getting a precursor drop for the first time and seeing it’s one of those would probably break my heart.

Remember, Precursors are one of the rarest items that can drop in game. But if you’re not lucky enough to hit that jackpot, then you can buy one of the listed in my OP pic for cheap. Proof positive that Precursors are affordable.

Actually if you say “Precursors are affordable” you’re insisting that all of them are affordable, which is false. You should say “some Precursors are affordable”.

Tom Gore.4035:

Staying in topic, I think getting a precursor drop for the first time and seeing it’s one of those would probably break my heart.

My first precursor drop was Venom. I was like “Oh sweet! A Pre! And it sells for nothing. Kitten that I’ll just make the darned thing!”.

…aaand here we go again, deliberately comically missing the point about obtaining a legendary vs. obtaining the legendary you want and will enjoy a bit more than for 10 seconds in each Swamp fractal.

This post makes just as much sense as “you can equip all your characters in Zojja’s Ascended without ever crafting” and “everyone can become the president of United States”, but whatever, it will draw the desired attention and make a particular person happy.

Tom Gore.4035:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Tom Gore.4035:

Staying in topic, I think getting a precursor drop for the first time and seeing it’s one of those would probably break my heart.

Remember, Precursors are one of the rarest items that can drop in game. But if you’re not lucky enough to hit that jackpot, then you can buy one of the listed in my OP pic for cheap. Proof positive that Precursors are affordable.

Actually if you say “Precursors are affordable” you’re insisting that all of them are affordable, which is false. You should say “some Precursors are affordable”.

You’re correct sir. Some Precursors are affordable. Thank you for that catching my mistake.

Lishtenbird.2814:

…aaand here we go again, deliberately comically missing the point about obtaining a legendary vs. obtaining the legendary you want and will enjoy a bit more than for 10 seconds in each Swamp fractal.

This post makes just as much sense as “you can equip all your characters in Zojja’s Ascended without ever crafting” and “everyone can become the president of United States”, but whatever, it will draw the desired attention and make a particular person happy.

The point here is that even a Casual player with low income can afford a Precursor, and eventually work their way to a Legendary. Not everyone is skilled in JPs. Not everyone has the time to run 100 Dungeons a day. And not everyone has the money to buy the most desirable Precursors.

If you make the choice to aim for something that you’ll never be able to afford, you can’t complain. However, if you realize that there are other options, life starts to look a little better. As a sports analogy, if you can’t afford Joe Montana, there’s always Steve Young.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

But most people want the ones for the weapons they actually use, and you know that kitten well.

Yes, and it turns out people go crazy about 2H swords because they make them feel big and kitten and manly. Easy to exploit if you ever find Dusk or Dawn, they wouldn’t be worth a fraction as much if people had more average tastes. :P

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The point here is that even a Casual player with low income can afford a Precursor, and eventually work their way to a Legendary. Not everyone is skilled in JPs. Not everyone has the time to run 100 Dungeons a day. And not everyone has the money to buy the most desirable Precursors.

The point here is that even a Casual player with low income can afford a Precursor, and not the Precursor, and you know it.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

As a sports analogy, if you can’t afford Joe Montana, there’s always Steve Young.

Sports players have different stats, ascended-legendaries don’t; thus, the game is not a sport, it’s an art. If you want Picasso, you don’t buy Malevich because you can afford it. You either save for Picasso or buy nothing at all. And you know it.

This troll topic again .. Give it up smooth penguin.

Demand is higher for weapons people actually want to use (eg daggers/2 handed weapons). These lovely selection of weapons are hardly used by anyone for anything remotely useful.

Stop trying to manipulate the lower end market of precursors.

I forgot to add last time you tried this they were around 30g each.

Lishtenbird.2814:

If you want Picasso, you don’t buy Malevich because you can afford it. You either save for Picasso or buy nothing at all. And you know it.

Of course he does. But he’d rather make anyone who has issues with the current precursor system look like they’re lazy and entitled… for what purpose? I’m really not sure. Trolling I guess.

He’s not one to have an honest argument with. Best to report this thread since he’s already made one like this and move on.

Are posts like this even allowed? Also this is nothing new

If they don’t plan on releasing precursor recipes, they should increase its drop rate at least.

John has access to my info in game, and can see that I’m not selling any of these items. This topic is meant for educational purposes. It’s to point out that there are some Precursors that aren’t out of reach.

I’m glad that some people understand that higher demanded Precursors will carry a higher price. The opposite is true for lower demanded ones having a lower price. It’s these lower demanded one that people with low income can buy to start their Legendary journey.

As a car analogy: If you can’t afford to buy that new Ferrari, there’s a nice Kia Soul for a good price.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

This topic is meant for educational purposes. It’s to point out that there are some Precursors that aren’t out of reach.

I’ll enforce the Godwin’s law and say that it’s somewhat very similar to “educational” threads telling that swastika should be allowed to be used freely since it’s actually a “kolovrat” symbol of the sun in Russia and a sacred symbol in Buddhism.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

As a car analogy: If you can’t afford to buy that new Ferrari, there’s a nice Kia Soul for a good price.

…except that their stats are Ascended vs. White.

I still remember Arena Net talking about underwater exploration being a huge part o the Guild Wars 2 pre-release.
Priorities. Under water combat isn’t one of them.

Buy it as a risky investment. When that expansion pops, they’ll allow underwater weapons on land. :p

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I’m glad that some people understand that higher demanded Precursors will carry a higher price. The opposite is true for lower demanded ones having a lower price. It’s these lower demanded one that people with low income can buy to start their Legendary journey.

There’s a reason why they are in low demand, and you know it. The people generally do not want a precursor. They want a precursor for the Legendary they can use… or at the very least show off with. Underwater precursors do not fill that requirement. Offhands that most classes can’t (or don’t) use are the same. The real interest will always lie with the main/two handers for land combat.
Which, of course you already know.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

As a car analogy: If you can’t afford to buy that new Ferrari, there’s a nice Kia Soul for a good price.

In that analogy Kia Soul is an ascended greatsword. Carcharias is a Ferrari-marked go-cart.
Neither of those make real Ferrari car any cheaper.

Nick.6972:

I still remember Arena Net talking about underwater exploration being a huge part o the Guild Wars 2 pre-release.
Priorities. Under water combat isn’t one of them.

Well you have to consider what they were comparing to. Any MMO back then on the market and sure, GW2 has a metric crap ton more of underwater exploration than all the competitors combined. Now with ArcheAge out there the mantle is not that certain anymore.

All in all, I think GW2 has some really nice underwater locations, but it’s clear to see it’s not been their focus recently.

Wow, 3 hours old topic and we are already using analogies including Joe Montana and Kia Soul to explain market forces.

This gonna be a hit.

no Carcharias? It is also under 100 gold, although to be fair you need so much blood to make Kamohoali’i Kotaki that it really isnt that cheap to make it.

Carighan.6758:

Which is a shame. If it received just a minimal amount of dev effort (and a restoration and re-implementation of the water areas in WvW instead of the ~removal they pulled) then the 3D combat could be amazing for how much it shakes up the combat system of the game.

It’s just… It needs so little. One pass over the raw damage numbers of the underwater weapons. Done. Just the numbers! Not even the skill effects, those are meh but can be manageable!

I agree….. Water combat has so much potential….. but its wasted with a lackadaisical development team. It started as a wonderful platform, and just needs to be built upon. Guild Wars 2 is the only game where I don’t mind underwater combat…… but its Anet’s job to turn the “I don’t mind it” into “This is awesome.”

Lishtenbird.2814:

it will draw the desired attention and make a particular person happy.

More than one person TBH. I love this topic and almost any that revolves around the TP. It is too bad they killed the BLTP forum.

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Wow, 3 hours old topic and we are already using analogies including Joe Montana and Kia Soul to explain market forces.

This gonna be a hit.

See..

Lothirieth.3408:

Of course he does. But he’d rather make anyone who has issues with the current precursor system look like they’re lazy and entitled… for what purpose? I’m really not sure.

I won’t even bother coming back to the game until I’m guaranteed to able to get a Legendary. And it wouldn’t be 2.5 year old one either. They’d have to come out with all new weapons and practically give you a precursor. Then the game may be worth trying again. But still probably not tbh.

A character storyline quest to obtain the precursor would be a good way to do it. Not too hard or long but the choices you make along the way determine your precursor achieved. But yeah effort put in to a 2.5 year old weapon at this point is a waste. Better to play other more rewarding games.

This thread is back baby! Let the arguments begin!

I’d like under water combat a lot more if things didn’t aggro you from half way across the bloody ocean.

Just saying.

rapthorne.7345:

I’d like under water combat a lot more if things didn’t aggro you from half way across the bloody ocean.

Just saying.

I think you might have meant to post in this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/What-happened-to-underwater-content/

This topic is about precursors on the TP, not what people think of underwater combat.

JustTrogdor.7892:

rapthorne.7345:

I’d like under water combat a lot more if things didn’t aggro you from half way across the bloody ocean.

Just saying.

I think you might have meant to post in this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/What-happened-to-underwater-content/

This topic is about precursors on the TP, not what people think of underwater combat.

The old topic didnt exactly stay on topic either and here we are already talking about Joe Montana driving demand in his Kia Soul.

Wanze.8410:

The old topic didnt exactly stay on topic either and here we are already talking about Joe Montana driving demand in his Kia Soul.

Don’t try to turn this into yet another mount thread Wanze.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Wanze.8410:

The old topic didnt exactly stay on topic either and here we are already talking about Joe Montana driving demand in his Kia Soul.

Don’t try to turn this into yet another mount thread Wanze.

I dont know what you are talking about.

I’ll take a precursor speargun for 25g, final offer!

Technically, one of those is a torch. And the legendary is pretty awesome. I just don’t use torch at all.

The cheaper precursors are ones that are part of niche specs for select classes. Torch is only useful in a hand of builds and not very good in half of all classes that can even equip it.

Compare that to staffs and greatswords which are very solid weapons for almost everyone that can use them. Which is why’re they’re really really expensive.

Weapon skills aren’t very even to be honest. It wasn’t at launch and I’m surprised they haven’t tweaked them to make certain weapons more appealing and useful.

Well, to make them more desirable, they could possibly make spear and trident legendaries interchangeable with staffs, spearguns with rifles.

To be honest, I don’t really know why there needs to be specific underwater and land weapons at all. I can understand a torch being unusable underwater but then this is magic… you still get Elementalist fire skills usable underwater.

Hopefully Anet reads this thread. They could stop worrying about all the complaints on how time consuming it is to get a precursor. They should let everyone in game know about this somehow too. Surely this will fix everything.

Legendary underwater weapons. Too bad underwater content is basically no longer supported.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Greetings friends! It’s been a while since I came around, and I see they got rid of the Black Lion Trading forums. Not sure why they decided to do that, but worry not, as I’m here to bring back the magic of market talk.

As you know, Precursors are wondrous luxury item. Many people want one, but a lot feel they’re unable to afford one, let alone get lucky enough to win RNG. Well, with Precursors being so ultra rare, there are some available right now on the TP for 100 Gold or less! As you’ll see in the attached screen shots, there are options for the budget minded players who want a Legendary, but lack the funds to buy Dusk or Spark.

If we are objective, threads about precursors being too pricy diminished quite a bit in the last couple of months. And rightly so because most lost value every month on average since Aug/Sep due to several reasons. The high droprate of t5 mats during LS season 2, halloween and now snowflakes being some of them.

Especially the huge influx of snowflakes seems to be a deliberate attempt to put a cap on t5 fine mat and subsequently precursor prices, with giant wintersday gifts now available year round from the forge, home instance nodes and maybe even ugly clothing.

But in the end, the falling price of precursors wont really matter to most players because t5 fine mats, which is a big part of the average veteran players loot table every day, lost value in a similar pace.
The only ones that might profit from falling precursor prices are dungeon runners whose loot mostly consists of coin drops.

I attached two screenshots, the first one shows price evolution on t5 large claws, the 2nd one is from Dawn.
Of course, they dont exactly match each other because either one has to catch up to the other, if supply or demand for each (precursor or t5 mat) changes drastically, but they are quite close.
The graphs show prices from march (announcement of the feature pack and accont bound leggie skins) until now.

While prices for dawn where rising until peaking in aug/sep, t5 claws, even though rising at the same pace, always did so a little later. When Season 2 started, t5 mats in general started dropping at higher rate and precursor prices started falling also as a reaction to it, but at a slower pace.
The 2 occasions when claws lost alot of value suddenly in oct/nov were halloween and SW amber chest farm. The last one, of course, were t5 flakes, which are available for 2s and pulled claws to the same level.

Being ages i havent experience any underwater combat since they changed fractal lol.

Wanze.8410:

But in the end, the falling price of precursors wont really matter to most players because t5 fine mats, which is a big part of the average veteran players loot table every day, lost value in a similar pace.
The only ones that might profit from falling precursor prices are dungeon runners whose loot mostly consists of coin drops.

Falling prices do matter to most players in as much as they’re liquifying everything to gold instead of holding onto their drops; the T5 fine mats they sold last year for <1s are long gone, and the value of that gold they’re holding sloshes around.

If you’re starting today the real price of a precursor has only dropped since last summer, as the profit margin from crafting them continues to narrow.

As you said, the only ones really affected by the gold value slosh is the dungeon runners, whose incomes are disproportionately raw coin. The price of a precursor in dungeon runs did climb substantially even as its price in Orr farming has dropped precipitously.

I swear this is almost a literal copy and paste post from back when I was actually active here.

They’re working uw combat out of the game last I checked. (I even heard the water pvp map was gone, which made me sad)

Wanze.8410:

JustTrogdor.7892:

rapthorne.7345:

I’d like under water combat a lot more if things didn’t aggro you from half way across the bloody ocean.

Just saying.

I think you might have meant to post in this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/What-happened-to-underwater-content/

This topic is about precursors on the TP, not what people think of underwater combat.

The old topic didnt exactly stay on topic either and here we are already talking about Joe Montana driving demand in his Kia Soul.

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