Profanity thoughts
I think you’re right, but I’m insignificant.
If it makes you feel better.
A profanity filter isn’t a license to use profanity.
I like that the filter is optional when talking with friends. They aren’t going to report me for cursing though.
[SFD] – Maguuma
Specifically, this part:
The Name and Word Filter is not a “license to swear” or “permission to offend.” Saying “Just turn on your filter” isn’t that answer, any more than telling parents “Just cover your children’s ears” give you the excuse to swear up a storm in a restaurant. With any private service — restaurant, movie theatre, game server — the owners reserve the right to expect a certain level of behavior. The filter is offered as a means to try to limit offenses, but not as a feature that then presents others with the opportunity for “no holds barred” in the use offensive language.
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Yes it is, why have it at all then?
A profanity filter isn’t a license to use profanity.
Yes, it is. If all profanity is not allowed, why are we given an option to be allowed to read it? Why not have it blocked from the game completely if we aren’t allowed to use it?
the only thing i feel is a fair ban for inappropriate language is if you change your words with spaces, commas, periods etc… to bypass the filet and make people see words when they have the swear filter on.
since the swear filter is on by default, a person must manually turn it off in order to see curse words, which means they have no logical right to report you for swearing.
totally unjustified ban.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
This discussion is as old as MMO’s.
They do not permit inappropriate language. It’s in the EULA. They suspend for infractions. The filter is there for people to use. It still doesn’t give you the right to use foul language.
That’s just the way it is. That’s the way it is in every MMO that I have played (Perhaps not EVE. That game was a whole other ball of wax.) That’s the way it will be till the end of time probably.
Just don’t use foul language in any chat other than with friends. Or be prepared to suffer the consequences of your actions.
Sylvari Guardian. – Dragonbrand.
Specifically, this part:
The Name and Word Filter is not a “license to swear” or “permission to offend.” Saying “Just turn on your filter” isn’t that answer, any more than telling parents “Just cover your children’s ears” give you the excuse to swear up a storm in a restaurant. With any private service — restaurant, movie theatre, game server — the owners reserve the right to expect a certain level of behavior. The filter is offered as a means to try to limit offenses, but not as a feature that then presents others with the opportunity for “no holds barred” in the use offensive language.
I like Gaile Gray’s take on it. What a well-written and well-reasoned response on the subject. That’s pretty much my take on profanity in-game or in-public IRL as well.
Would you go into a mall and start yelling obscenities? What ever happened to respecting other people, kindness and consideration?
I’m retired military, and I can and do curse with the best of them. But I understand there is a time and place for everything. Just because I’m sitting behind a keyboard, I act no differently than I do when I’m out face to face among crowds. It’s a game, but you’re still playing with thousands of other people. Those of us who grew up before the Internet age know what I mean. If you displayed behavior in public like people do behind their keyboard, you’d get your butt whipped or hauled off to jail.
The fact that people actually defend the right to curse in public (and that’s what this is) makes me wonder why parents stopped instilling morals, values and manners in kids now-a-days. It’s not just in-game, it’s society as a whole.
I guess the bottom line here is, it’s Anets world and Anets laws. You break them, you pay the price…..even if it should be a no-brainer manners thing. Sorry, but I’m glad you got suspended.
i would like an official comment on this because if we are going to be banned for using “naughty words” when there’s an option to have a swear filter on for carebears then why bother having a toggle on the filter at all?
i don’t see why i should be punished because others are offended. that’s something they’ll have to deal with, not me. they can have their swear filter and as long as i don’t avoid the filter i can’t see how any rational person could argue that using “naughty words” is ban worthy.
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
You already have your official comment in Raine’s post.
The logic above makes me weep for humanity.
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You can still be obscene and offensive with the word filters on. For you to get banned for that, you really need to go up and beyond the average internet user.
i would like an official comment on this because if we are going to be banned for using “naughty words” when there’s an option to have a swear filter on for carebears then why bother having a toggle on the filter at all?
i don’t see why i should be punished because others are offended. that’s something they’ll have to deal with, not me. they can have their swear filter and as long as i don’t avoid the filter i can’t see how any rational person could argue that using “naughty words” is ban worthy.
I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive. It doesn’t make you sound grown up, cool, or anything like that. Now I’m not saying everyone should be silent unless something is productive and necessary to say. I love a good comedian, good stories, small talk with people about their day, etc. But offensive language doesn’t have a place in any of those situations.
When I hear people swearing in public, I feel embarrassed for them because of how unaware of themselves they are. The thing is, it happens so rarely when around real people. Most are sensible enough to do it quietly, or in a more private setting so not everyone hears them. People will do the most ridiculous things from behind a keyboard, and it really just shows everyone how immature they really are.
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
That’s the way it is in every MMO that I have played (Perhaps not EVE. That game was a whole other ball of wax.)
I think if some players here had spent any time in Warhammer, the player names alone would have sent people screaming and trying to scoop up their exploded eyeballs.
True story.
They must have taken my marbles away.
But they gave me plenty of porous bones to compensate.
But they gave me plenty of porous bones to compensate.
i would like an official comment on this because if we are going to be banned for using “naughty words” when there’s an option to have a swear filter on for carebears then why bother having a toggle on the filter at all?
i don’t see why i should be punished because others are offended. that’s something they’ll have to deal with, not me. they can have their swear filter and as long as i don’t avoid the filter i can’t see how any rational person could argue that using “naughty words” is ban worthy.
I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive. It doesn’t make you sound grown up, cool, or anything like that. Now I’m not saying everyone should be silent unless something is productive and necessary to say. I love a good comedian, good stories, small talk with people about their day, etc. But offensive language doesn’t have a place in any of those situations.
When I here people swearing in public, I feel embarrassed for them because of how unaware of themselves they are. The thing is, it happens so rarely when around real people. Most are sensible enough to do it quietly, or in a more private setting so not everyone hears them. People will do the most ridiculous things from behind a keyboard, and it really just shows everyone how immature they really are.
i’m not here to debate with you and i frankly don’t care about your opinion. i just want an official response on whether or not i will be banned for saying “kitten” when i fall off a cliff due to a glitch and die.
(can i be banned for saying kitten? the swear filter caught it and i didn’t avoid the filter, but maybe some people will be offended anyway?)
Bristleback can’t hit anything? Let’s fix the HP bug instead.
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(Perhaps not EVE. That game was a whole other ball of wax.)
I like the way eve handles it. Just block the offender and you’ll never have to listen to them again if you don’t want to. The GMs occasionally get involved if you go waaay off the deep end, but that’s pretty hard to do.
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i would like an official comment on this because if we are going to be banned for using “naughty words” when there’s an option to have a swear filter on for carebears then why bother having a toggle on the filter at all?
i don’t see why i should be punished because others are offended. that’s something they’ll have to deal with, not me. they can have their swear filter and as long as i don’t avoid the filter i can’t see how any rational person could argue that using “naughty words” is ban worthy.
I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive. It doesn’t make you sound grown up, cool, or anything like that. Now I’m not saying everyone should be silent unless something is productive and necessary to say. I love a good comedian, good stories, small talk with people about their day, etc. But offensive language doesn’t have a place in any of those situations.
When I hear people swearing in public, I feel embarrassed for them because of how unaware of themselves they are. The thing is, it happens so rarely when around real people. Most are sensible enough to do it quietly, or in a more private setting so not everyone hears them. People will do the most ridiculous things from behind a keyboard, and it really just shows everyone how immature they really are.
i’m not hear to debate with you and i frankly don’t care about your opinion. i just want an official response on whether or not i will be banned for saying “kitten” when i fall off a cliff due to a glitch and die.
(can i be banned for saying kitten? the swear filter caught it and i didn’t avoid the filter, but maybe some people will be offended anyway?)
Here’s your official answer. How much more simple can it be. Just don’t curse and you have nothing to worry about. Maybe you should stick to single player games until you grow up a bit. Wow!
Gaile Gray.6028:
The Name and Word Filter is not a “license to swear” or “permission to offend.” Saying “Just turn on your filter” isn’t that answer, any more than telling parents “Just cover your children’s ears” give you the excuse to swear up a storm in a restaurant. With any private service — restaurant, movie theatre, game server — the owners reserve the right to expect a certain level of behavior. The filter is offered as a means to try to limit offenses, but not as a feature that then presents others with the opportunity for “no holds barred” in the use offensive language.
i would like an official comment on this because if we are going to be banned for using “naughty words” when there’s an option to have a swear filter on for carebears then why bother having a toggle on the filter at all?
i don’t see why i should be punished because others are offended. that’s something they’ll have to deal with, not me. they can have their swear filter and as long as i don’t avoid the filter i can’t see how any rational person could argue that using “naughty words” is ban worthy.
I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive. It doesn’t make you sound grown up, cool, or anything like that. Now I’m not saying everyone should be silent unless something is productive and necessary to say. I love a good comedian, good stories, small talk with people about their day, etc. But offensive language doesn’t have a place in any of those situations.
When I here people swearing in public, I feel embarrassed for them because of how unaware of themselves they are. The thing is, it happens so rarely when around real people. Most are sensible enough to do it quietly, or in a more private setting so not everyone hears them. People will do the most ridiculous things from behind a keyboard, and it really just shows everyone how immature they really are.
i’m not here to debate with you and i frankly don’t care about your opinion. i just want an official response on whether or not i will be banned for saying “kitten” when i fall off a cliff due to a glitch and die.
(can i be banned for saying kitten? the swear filter caught it and i didn’t avoid the filter, but maybe some people will be offended anyway?)
Here you go. An official statement made today for the OP in the Accounts forum.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Profanity-thoughts
I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive.
They’re productive. At least as productive as all adverbs and many adjectives. They provide context about the speaker’s opinions and state of mind. In essence, they serve as verbal shorthand. Rather than get into a prolonged discussion about perceived deficiencies and wordy complaints, the speaker can sum up, with a single F-word, their views on a particular subject. It’s interesting that you chose the word “naughty,” as if the words, in and of themselves, carried moral weight. They’re just collections of letters. Does that mean I should be punctuating my sentences with them? Probably not. But that’s only because I pride myself on more artful speech.
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I guess the bottom line here is, it’s Anets world and Anets laws. You break them, you pay the price…..even if it should be a no-brainer manners thing. Sorry, but I’m glad you got suspended.
No one is suggesting that individuals to violate the EULA or rules of conduct shouldn’t pay the price, what people are suggesting is that it’s logically inconsistent to ban swear words at the same time allow the filter in game to be disabled.
If anything, we’re asking for the filter disabler to be disabled to prevent people from violating ToC or EULA.
What happens when you have a profanity filter that can’t be turned off? People find loopholes so they can have what they say seen. If you block every curse word but someone wants to use one, they’ll just replace a few letters, add a space or odd letter inbetween. When you have that then people are still cursing only in this case you can’t block it because the filters aren’t able to be programmed to censor every single variance of certain words while remaining in reasonable bounds. Yes, there are people who go out of their way to bypass these filters, and by giving people the option to turn them on or off, you make it so that the ones uttering profanities do not use variances of them in a way that bypasses another person’s filter.
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I dunno, I find that bans on grounds of profanity are treading a really, really fine line. I consider F bombs to be a natural part of the online dialect, but then again I’m pretty liberal like that.
At the end of the day though, one thing we can all agree on is “Intent to Harm”. Saying “kittening noob why the kitten did you kittening do that kitten” is completely different from saying “kitten me, my bad”. The question at hand, though, is whether or not you punish the latter.
The naming restriction I completely understand, an undead healer in WoW was named AIDS and I quickly reported that one because as a gay man I’ve lost too many friends to that horrible disease.
But the profanity filter baffles me. Leave the option to turn it off off….won’t make any difference to me if i can’t see it if it’s a banable offense but to allow people control is a little weird.
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What happens when you have a profanity filter that can’t be turned off? People find loopholes so they can have what they say seen. If you block every curse word but someone wants to use one, they’ll just replace a few letters, add a space or odd letter inbetween. When you have that then people are still cursing only in this case you can’t block it because the filters aren’t able to be programmed to censor every single variance of certain words while remaining in reasonable bounds. Yes, there are people who go out of their way to bypass these filters, and by giving people the option to turn them on or off, you make it so that the ones uttering profanities do not use variances of them in a way that bypasses another person’s filter.
Which would be an obvious attempt to circumvent the game rules and mechanics, in this case the profanity filter.
I don’t think banning or suspending people on the basis of that is a particularly problematic thing. People who write kitten as K_i_t_t_i_n are obviously attempting to get around the filter and (likely) harass people, of which there should be no tolerance. But harassment or circumventing game mechanics are different kettles of fish from profanity in and of itself.
A profanity filter isn’t a license to use profanity.
Yes, it is. If all profanity is not allowed, why are we given an option to be allowed to read it? Why not have it blocked from the game completely if we aren’t allowed to use it?
Because, presumably, you can disable it to use in party chat with those you know won’t mind it.
I have a lock on my house. I use it to let my friends in, but to keep strangers out. If I happen to leave it unlocked, it does not mean that strangers all of a sudden have a right to enter my home.
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https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/account/Profanity-thoughts/first#post1376238
From the forum guidelines, which I only post because the OP stated " Given that most people do not read the rules of conduct "
amusing.
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I can’t see how any rational person could argue that “naughty words” should have a place in common, public speech. They are in no way necessary or productive.
They’re productive. At least as productive as all adverbs and many adjectives. They provide context about the speaker’s opinions and state of mind. In essence, they serve as verbal shorthand. Rather than get into a prolonged discussion about perceived deficiencies and wordy complaints, the speaker can sum up, with a single F-word, their views on a particular subject. It’s interesting that you chose the word “naughty,” as if the words, in and of themselves, carried moral weight. They’re just collections of letters. Does that mean I should be punctuating my sentences with them? Probably not. But that’s only because I pride myself on more artful speech.
Maybe productive wasn’t the best word. Clearly those words produce something, and get something accomplished, but what they accomplish is not helpful. Anything you are attempting to convey with profanity can be said in other ways. I’ve done it my whole life.
My turret is so much better at this game than I am.
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I agree the profanity filter should be turned off.
I think false positives make me look like an idiot.
I don’t like the fact that I get censored because I bought an ice sc"kitten"r and sc"kitten"d the ice off my windshield this morning.
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Just my two cents.
Using a profanity that would imply a sexual or racial slur should get you a ban.
On the other hand a word is a word and using it in some type of context is viable and protected by the United States Constitution. Below is a excerpt from wiki but i verified its contents,
In 1971, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the mere public display of kitten is protected under the First and Fourteenth Amendments and cannot be made a criminal offense. In 1968, Paul Robert Cohen had been convicted of “disturbing the peace” for wearing a jacket with “kitten THE DRAFT” on it (in reference to conscription in the Vietnam War). The conviction was upheld by the Court of Appeals and overturned by the Supreme Court. Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
However this is a private game so the company can dictate the rules about what can and cannot be said. But given that if what you say is a mere word and not meant in a bias or racist manner, then I would assume that the profanity filter should set the precedence for people who do not wish to hear or see such terms.
Profanity in itself is pointless because to some people a word may be belittling in one context but in another context it is meant to be empowering. All depends on the group of people.
Should ANET get involved with profanity and be the moral police…
They have to in a racist or sexist argument. …………. The rest should be fair game when a profanity filter is in place.
I have just started using “kitten” as a substitute in game for when things aren’t going well. I get more than a few “what was that about” statements, but those who have been on these forums always give me a ROFL back.
I have just started using “kitten” as a substitute in game for when things aren’t going well. I get more than a few “what was that about” statements, but those who have been on these forums always give me a ROFL back.
Ive seen this happen and done it too, people even make joke and sarcasm of the system.
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I have just started using “kitten” as a substitute in game for when things aren’t going well. I get more than a few “what was that about” statements, but those who have been on these forums always give me a ROFL back.
I unfortunately find myself using kitten in rl…..guess I spend too much time on here.
OT…In guild chat per guild rules…sure whatever or with friends, but in open world chat or playing with randoms, I do not find profanity acceptable. Ofc there is a difference between a slip and full out not needed. I’m sure those are reviewed when considering banning. I feel pretty good about bans handed out for such occurences being justified.
Serenity now~Insanity later
When you signed up to play the game, you agreed to certain rules. One of them was not using profanity. Live with it.
Of course one man’s profanity is another man’s perfectly normal conversation but I think most people know where the line is.
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lunawisp was my peacebringer on City of Heroes – she lives on in memory as my gaming id.
Imo, the ability to turn off the profanity filter is there to present groups (i.e., parties, guilds, friends) who want to use such language the ability to do so within their group chat channels. It is not to give a license to anyone and everyone to use such language in general chat channels.
I have just started using “kitten” as a substitute in game for when things aren’t going well. I get more than a few “what was that about” statements, but those who have been on these forums always give me a ROFL back.
Ive seen this happen and done it too, people even make joke and sarcasm of the system.
Well the system is a joke, with enough people using kitten as a substitute for actually profanity, it will eventually be considered profanity aswell simply because it implies profanity..
Fact of the mather is punishing someone for being offensive with theyr use of profanity, or directing they profanity at a player, I completly support.
However when I swear in reaction to a situation, rather then at a person I expect that to be allowed, of course this does not mean I expect to be allow to spam with map or even say with profanity, nor do I expect to be allowed to use any sexually, racially or religiously related profanities. (with the exception of H***)
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