Guild Wars 2

Hi!

I constantly see Rangers being kicked by leaders in WvW squads, they openly say reason: “rangers are useless in WvW”. Happened a lot with me and with many other rangers, sometimes 4-5+ people at once kicked from squad to make room for useful classes like Templest (ele).

Also seeing same trend in PvE, for example Fractal 40lvl farm. They need only chrono+warr+3 ele for farm. Yesterday i saw in LFM “No rangers” in one of fractal groups (classes were not stated, was not usual Chrono+Elle PvE farm group).

Being locked out of WvW and PvE activities as certain class, what are options except changing class?

Thanks for advice.

Create your own squad/party/group?

Good luck.

Not being in a squad does not lock you out from WvW activities. No one can stop you from still playing with the zerg.

None, Anet doesn’t really care or can police kicking due to stats, level or class. You’re best off looking for a group which isn’t elitist or just following and not joking the squad.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Create your own squad/party/group?

Good luck.

exactly this, if you’re hosting for fractals, it’ll fill up pretty quickly, those are speedrun groups, people who have found [what they consider to be] optimal classes to run specific levels with… and especially for lv 40 farm chronomancer is invaluable.

For fractals: that only happens in farm groups, they use chrono+warr+3 ele for maximum damage to do the farm as quickly as possible. Fast runs = more runs = more gold. Although Ele isn’t the top dps anymore so those farm pugs need to update.

As for WvW, once upon a time I was told not to bring a ranger because of Epidemic. Enemy Necromancers could use Epidemic on the pet, which then spread conditions that were active on the pet on nearby targets (the pet cannot dodge it). Since then they changed how the skill works so it’s no longer such an issue.

Your commanders / party members are really behind in terms of meta lol

maddoctor.2738:

For fractals: that only happens in farm groups, they use chrono+warr+3 ele for maximum damage to do the farm as quickly as possible. Fast runs = more runs = more gold. Although Ele isn’t the top dps anymore so those farm pugs need to update.

As for WvW, once upon a time I was told not to bring a ranger because of Epidemic. Enemy Necromancers could use Epidemic on the pet, which then spread conditions that were active on the pet on nearby targets (the pet cannot dodge it). Since then they changed how the skill works so it’s no longer such an issue.

Your commanders / party members are really behind in terms of meta lol

Ele burst is still pretty solid. Althought you can probably replace those eles with dragonhunters.

1.) You can’t be “kicked” in WvW. You can be kicked out a squad, but that doesn’t stop you from following them. You lose out on communication, supply count, and party placement but the later 2 do not matter because boon share is generally irrelevant for rangers anyways unless they are frontline heal or something. Proectile weapons such as ranger longbow are liabilities due to the large amount of projectile hate, and while you may not, there’s no way for the commander to know you personally.

Speaking as someone that does use “rallybots” at fodder, I’d like to say that people that blame pugs for their failures especially in large fights are generally projecting and just want to blob the map, especially now that rallies are only 1 per kill so this generally is more of a problem when numbers are less than 10 In general zergs though, the so called “bads” often get 1 pushed and die before they have the chance to rally anyone. Unless you are heavily outnumbered, nobody in your group should even be close to going down before all these non-squad folks are dead. If you are, then you’re probably as bad as the pugs you’re kicking if not worse.

The ones that do the rallying are actually the bad heavies that are selfish and don’t push with the melee so they burn all their cooldowns for selfish survival and end up dying at the worst moments. But don’t let facts get in the way of rage I guess.

2.) Epidemic on pets is a problem…. assuming pets actually live long enough for that to happen. Which is never. 99% of the time just target the ranger and epi load .

3.) Make your own squad. You can’t be kicked from it. Hell, you can even make a squad and kick everyone using meta builds if that’s your thing. Once there was no tag and we came under attack and there wasn’t any time to switch toons, so I tagged on Druid. People cooperated because there was nothing better to do anyways.

That’s always something I’ve wondered on this topic. Why don’t people make groups like “Casual Bring anything NO META OR KICK groups” I doubt anyone is going to complain about being excluded from that, so what’s the downside?

Fractals: Just create your own group and don’t join farm runs.

WvW: Most rangers play longbow. With that you are completely useless in the melee zerg. When you run around the zerg to kill the enemy casters you don’t need the stability from the guards. So of course you shouldn’t be in the squad (when it is full) as you’ll take the spot of a reaper who runs with the melees and needs the stability.
You as a ranger don’t benefit from it as you have a different role.

When I (condi reaper) join a zerg and the squad is full, I’ve a very hard time to be effective as I constantly get stunned. A reaper feels the difference between beeing in a squad (and having decent guards) or beeing alone.

I have the same problem on my thief. I usually start and overflow squad and tag up. I tell everyone to follow the main tag. It’s actually nice because you get bonus pips that way.

Rhiannon.1726:

Fractals: Just create your own group and don’t join farm runs.

So i am locked out of joining farm groups in fractals. Unless i make my own, but this wont be such fast farm groups, since its not 3ele+chrono+warr setup, right?

And Raid groups?
Whom they will take – Ranger or Elementalist in Raid group? I.e. i am locked out of this content as well.

Raids are far more specific than just class. My ele is also not welcome because it’s not the “right” build. That’s a problem with how raids defy the old credo of “bring the player, not the class”.

Happened to my ranger a few hours ago in WvW in fact. She and a few other Rangers were kicked from the WvW squad without notice or explanation, but we still followed the zerg about for a bit anyway.

Bratec.7136:

Rhiannon.1726:

Fractals: Just create your own group and don’t join farm runs.

So i am locked out of joining farm groups in fractals. Unless i make my own, but this wont be such fast farm groups, since its not 3ele+chrono+warr setup, right?

And Raid groups?
Whom they will take – Ranger or Elementalist in Raid group? I.e. i am locked out of this content as well.

No it wont be as fast farm group, you know why its fast? becouse of the requirments that say you cant bring your ranger.

I play druid in raids and most fights condi ranger is totaly welcome into the group.
Bear bow longbow ranger is however not.

Linken.6345:

No it wont be as fast farm group, you know why its fast? becouse of the requirments that say you cant bring your ranger.

I play druid in raids and most fights condi ranger is totaly welcome into the group.
Bear bow longbow ranger is however not.

People are getting kicked from WvW groups are both condi and power rangers. They kick just all rangers from squad, no exception.

And those "no rangers’ in fractal groups dont check either your power or condi ranger, they just dont accept class.

About raids, you play druid (heal-buff bot) in raids because no one wants you as dps in raid (or other rangers as dps). In fights where healbotting is not needed – like fractal farm i mentioned – you are blocked by same “no rangers” LFMs.

Bratec.7136:

People are getting kicked from WvW groups are both condi and power rangers. They kick just all rangers from squad, no exception.

I saw an all-ranger squad yesterday in WvW. It was fun.

And those "no rangers’ in fractal groups dont check either your power or condi ranger, they just dont accept class.

Only for level 40 farm groups, regular fractals ranger is fine.

About raids, you play druid (heal-buff bot) in raids because no one wants you as dps in raid (or other rangers as dps).

Condi ranger is quite effective in Raids even after the nerf due to the simple rotation.

From your posts it’s almost as if you live in 2015, pre-HoT era where Rangers (together with Engineers and Necromancers) were kicked from all types of content. This is 2017, things changed

Do you expect too much balance in Guild Wars 2. Anet is just not good and balancing and it had to be said. The ballance is just like “Now this class is good, next week the other class will be good” and so on.

This morning I was roaming open-world, solo, looking to earn some HPs. When I was at this waypoint in Tangled Depths when suddenly a group of players appeared and then a prompt message appeared on my chat, " I was being kicked out of the party by this lame person".

I was liked, wth ?! I always play solo and I certainly did not join any group or squad. Did the game added a auto-group-join thingy in open world map?

Terrahero.9358:

Not being in a squad does not lock you out from WvW activities. No one can stop you from still playing with the zerg.

That’s what i do. XD
When i play WvW and i’m not solo roaming, i just follow the zerg wherever it goes without joining the squad, unless the Commander himself ask me to join on his own.

Bratec.7136:

Hi!

I constantly see Rangers being kicked by leaders in WvW squads, they openly say reason: “rangers are useless in WvW”. Happened a lot with me and with many other rangers, sometimes 4-5+ people at once kicked from squad to make room for useful classes like Templest (ele).

Also seeing same trend in PvE, for example Fractal 40lvl farm. They need only chrono+warr+3 ele for farm. Yesterday i saw in LFM “No rangers” in one of fractal groups (classes were not stated, was not usual Chrono+Elle PvE farm group).

Being locked out of WvW and PvE activities as certain class, what are options except changing class?

Thanks for advice.

Fractal 40 is a very, VERY small fraction of PvE. Druids are highly valued pretty much everywhere else, and condi rangers are still a fine dps class.

cannot reproduce the wvw problem, no commander in wvw seems to care what class you play.
Fractal 40 isn’t really just 3 ele’s, it’s mostly 1 chrono, 1 cPS, and 3 dps classes who can pull their weight

Make your own squad. Make your own LFG farm groups. Might not be the “fastest” but if you have capable people it’s ez mode anyway.

As for wvw, if you find any of the haters dead, ress em to 99% then stop and walk off saying “ohye im useless”.

As a druid you might be a welcome healer in any zerg, especially in wvw. As a ranger you’ll might be a very useful scout in wvw, any bigger zerg needs some of those. Your long distance longbow attacks are useful for attacking or defending a castle or tower. – You just need to be able to use TS.

I just noticed there is hate for Rangers, specifically.

That’s nothing new and was a lot worse pre-HoT than it is now.

Not every class/build is viable for all content.

You can’t expect to play a PVT Bearbow and be taken into raids. The fact that the ranger does have viable builds for all content modes (with exception of extremely high dps burst like fractal 40 farm), puts it far above the list when compared to some other classes.

Rangers might not always be the optimal class, but we have 9 classes and for each particular task only 3-5 end up being optimal.

Yea you ranger/druid should count yourself lucky just check how many raid/fractal spots revenant or its elite spec have for example.

And Necro sure is good to survive fractals with pugs but no speed clear there either and not so many raid spots aswell.

Zania.8461:

Not every class/build is viable for all content.

Try not to use the world “viable” to make your case — the word gets used differently by different people.

The core idea is that not all builds are equally useful or efficient. With limited time to organize a squad that is “on the move”, commanders (and their lieutenants) are going to want to simplify (or even oversimplify) the task as much as they can. Since they can’t easily check your build or your experience, they’ll look at what they can see: your profession. If you’ve chosen a prof that is almost always less useful to a coordinated squad, they’ll drop you in favor of someone who demonstrates knowledge by bringing a preferred class.

So while it might not be literally true that “rangers are useless in WvW,” it’s true enough that they are “not useful enough” for that particular group at that particular time.

In other words, ask not what the squad should do for you; rather ask what you can do for the squad.

i dont have that issues with my ranger … but i can play 3 roles atm . Support heal condi , Condi Druid for buffs , or full DPS condi Ranger.

Really? HA HA. I’ve always been a ranger ,almost since launch,even when the rangers were really hated and never had a problem doing any type of content and I even play “lazy ranger” build…signets and all. But in the same time..i am a guild leader…I create the groups.

Mil.3562:

This morning I was roaming open-world, solo, looking to earn some HPs. When I was at this waypoint in Tangled Depths when suddenly a group of players appeared and then a prompt message appeared on my chat, " I was being kicked out of the party by this lame person".

I was liked, wth ?! I always play solo and I certainly did not join any group or squad. Did the game added a auto-group-join thingy in open world map?

No, the game did not add an auto-group join, what it sounds like is you got an invite and it popped up while you where doing something else and you accepted without knowing it. Believe me, it does happen…I’ve done it once myself.

Interesting, I usually command a zerg in the wee hours in WVW as a ranger (not druid) and no one has said anything, i openly accept any who will die for the cause. Sorry you’ve encountered some kittengery out there. You just keep doing your thing and let them keep the sense of entilement all to themselves GL & HF

Zaklex.6308:

Mil.3562:

This morning I was roaming open-world, solo, looking to earn some HPs. When I was at this waypoint in Tangled Depths when suddenly a group of players appeared and then a prompt message appeared on my chat, " I was being kicked out of the party by this lame person".

I was liked, wth ?! I always play solo and I certainly did not join any group or squad. Did the game added a auto-group-join thingy in open world map?

No, the game did not add an auto-group join, what it sounds like is you got an invite and it popped up while you where doing something else and you accepted without knowing it. Believe me, it does happen…I’ve done it once myself.

More likely, he got an invite, didn’t notice it, and then someone canceled the pending invite. It happened to me today. Never noticed an invite, but got a “X has voted to kick (my name) from the party” message in my chat log.

Bratec.7136:

Also seeing same trend in PvE, for example Fractal 40lvl farm. They need only chrono+warr+3 ele for farm. Yesterday i saw in LFM “No rangers” in one of fractal groups (classes were not stated, was not usual Chrono+Elle PvE farm group).

Pugs will never learn that there are other options than those they are used to. Guard can spike as good as Ele these days. A long time ago when dungeons were extremely frequently visited and pugged, pugs took 2 full years to forget about stacking in corners at bosses without adds.
Ranger has it’s burst, even power. Power is just weak for longer fights atm and not that high in damage as ele, guard, thief or w/e. I hope that issue is addressed with soulbeast but who knows…

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

Bratec.7136:

Rhiannon.1726:

Fractals: Just create your own group and don’t join farm runs.

So i am locked out of joining farm groups in fractals. Unless i make my own, but this wont be such fast farm groups, since its not 3ele+chrono+warr setup, right?

And Raid groups?
Whom they will take – Ranger or Elementalist in Raid group? I.e. i am locked out of this content as well.

Dude, there’s always going to be a best setup for each fractal level, and for each one it requires a different composition to speedily complete, for this specific farm, that is what they want to use and if you don’t meet the criteria you should look for a different group.

One option; start your own group and make it for rangers only. Probably won’t be very successful but it’d kitten off the l33t3sts.

Metavahn.7293:

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

lol.
Sometimes I wonder what people must have been through to get such a radical attitude. You can’t even judge anyone by the class. Even worse if you take open world as a mesurement.

Metavahn.7293:

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

By “KS”, do you mean “kill steal”? Is that possible in GW2?

Metavahn.7293:

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

Did a big bad ranger take your precursor drop or something?

Seriously though, the moment people start throwing around buzz words like “kid” and make negative, baseless assumptions about the players who play the class, is the moment they’re not worth taking seriously anymore. Stay salty.

It might depend on server as well? Yesterday I was roaming on my ranger and helped a guild group nearby capture a couple structures and engage in a couple zerg fights. They invited me to their squad and I followed them around for a couple more fights before they ported to respond to call out and I stayed on that BL.

maddoctor.2738:

For fractals: that only happens in farm groups, they use chrono+warr+3 ele for maximum damage to do the farm as quickly as possible. Fast runs = more runs = more gold. Although Ele isn’t the top dps anymore so those farm pugs need to update.

As for WvW, once upon a time I was told not to bring a ranger because of Epidemic. Enemy Necromancers could use Epidemic on the pet, which then spread conditions that were active on the pet on nearby targets (the pet cannot dodge it). Since then they changed how the skill works so it’s no longer such an issue.

Your commanders / party members are really behind in terms of meta lol

Did people actually dodge in WVW?
Are we playing the same game? I’m in T1 server constantly btw.

Metavahn.7293:

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

is “just a clueless kid who wants easy street” too long for a toon name?

Metavahn.7293:

Rangers give themselves a name, and that name is selfish loner, never do i see rangers supporting the team in pve or pvp, usually they are the first to run ahead and KS the mobs in a event before slower classes can get a tag in

Even if rangers were good for pve i wouldnt take one because i know the type of kid that would play a ranger knowing the state they are in…just a clueless kid who wants easy street

Fill your mind before you empty your mouth.

I find this thread very funny. Because I feel like the OP Is just perpetuating a myth.

Rangers have the highest dps in high level fractals. It has been this way for a year.

It seems to me that you might be inflexible. Maybe try out condi ranger builds. I gaurentee you wont be kicked…