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Recount would be great
That goes both ways.
Every dungeon run I’ve ever done I create my own party, and I typically put something along the lines of, “No elitism”, or “No zerkers – beginners only”, or “No Speed Clears” in my description line.
About half the time I get 1-2 people who completely ignore my description and start harassing other players or trying to kick them.
This happens when I create my own group.
So, let’s flip this around – should we also add some kind of meter that allows me to filter OUT zerker/elitists, aside from the LFG tool and part description?
Ya’ll are focused on only one side of the coin – a DPS meter that allows you to ensure that no one with sub-optimal gear will join your group.
How about the other way around – I want a tool that automatically rejects anyone who plays the way you do from joining my group, because I’ve had nothing but issues with your “kind” in the past.
The truth is, I don’t actually care how anyone is geared – I respect everyone’s right to play their own character however they want – including if they want to max out their DPS. I don’t put that in my description because I don’t like DPS builds – I put it there because I typically don’t like the attitude of the people that go along with it.
This GAME however, was sold as a ‘play how you want to’ game, which means that every kind of build, at least hypothetically, should be viable if the player is skilled.
The fact that it’s not is more indicative of poor game design. The fact that the meta favors a single kind of build just points to poor balance, nothing else.
I simply won’t support anything that continues to push things in this direction.
Justify it however you want to, I believe that a DPS meter is contrary to the spirit of this game.
If it is an absolute necessity that you run with a specific kind of player, then JOIN A GUILD, that’s what they’re for.
I vote a resounding NO for DPS meters.
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Regardless, ipan is not wrong. Good things need to be worked for and making a party tailored to your tastes isn’t hard. However putting a recount will make it easier for players to bar others from content. The leeches have as much of a right to do the dungeon as you do, but you already have the tools to tailor them out .
You wanting to bar players from content is just as bad as the players who want to lazy their way through a dungeon.
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That goes both ways.
Every dungeon run I’ve ever done I create my own party, and I typically put something along the lines of, “No elitism”, or “No zerkers – beginners only”, or “No Speed Clears” in my description line.
About half the time I get 1-2 people who completely ignore my description and start harassing other players or trying to kick them.
This happens when I create my own group.
So, let’s flip this around – should we also add some kind of meter that allows me to filter OUT zerker/elitists, aside from the LFG tool and part description?
Ya’ll are focused on only one side of the coin – a DPS meter that allows you to ensure that no one with sub-optimal gear will join your group.
How about the other way around – I want a tool that automatically rejects anyone who plays the way you do from joining my group, because I’ve had nothing but issues with your “kind” in the past.
The truth is, I don’t actually care how anyone is geared – I respect everyone’s right to play their own character however they want – including if they want to max out their DPS. I don’t put that in my description because I don’t like DPS builds – I put it there because I typically don’t like the attitude of the people that go along with it.
This GAME however, was sold as a ‘play how you want to’ game, which means that every kind of build, at least hypothetically, should be viable if the player is skilled.
The fact that it’s not is more indicative of poor game design. The fact that the meta favors a single kind of build just points to poor balance, nothing else.
I simply won’t support anything that continues to push things in this direction.
Justify it however you want to, I believe that a DPS meter is contrary to the spirit of this game.
If it is an absolute necessity that you run with a specific kind of player, then JOIN A GUILD, that’s what they’re for.
I vote a resounding NO for DPS meters.
Ipan, the answer is yes. Better filtering tools work both ways. I don’t think anyone in this thread has made a claim that speed clear groups are the only way to play. The issue is people have a right to play how they want (any way) including people who speed clear and people who don’t. As it stands now it’s too easily wrecked by players that have a notion about what the “proper” way to play is. That’s the entire point, is anyone who makes a group has the right to set the standards for the group they have created. If you don’t like what the standard is, then make your own group or find one that is a standard you will enjoy playing or as you suggest, “JOIN A GUILD, that’s what they’re for.”
Maybe we just need LFG upgrade so we can set which profession+armor(armor would be based on overall stats)can join.
Zerkers will have only zerker people , all welcome people just dont set lfg specification so everyone can join .
Maybe we just need LFG upgrade so we can set which profession+armor(armor would be based on overall stats)can join.
Zerkers will have only zerker people , all welcome people just dont set lfg specification so everyone can join .
This was proposed earlier in the thread, and I think is a good middle ground. A meter of some kind may single out a individual, but a filter will not discriminate as long as they meet the requirement.
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Regardless, ipan is not wrong. Good things need to be worked for and making a party tailored to your tastes isn’t hard. However putting a recount will make it easier for players to bar others from content. The leeches have as much of a right to do the dungeon as you do, but you already have the tools to tailor them out .
You wanting to bar players from content is just as bad as the players who want to lazy their way through a dungeon.
How exactly will it bar someone from completing content? The only difference how much damage someone does is how quickly content is completed not whether it can be completed. Players who enjoy efficiency and players who don’t will both still be able to run in their groups, they just have different goals in mind. Are you implying that players who don’t care about efficiency do not have the skills to complete a dungeon on their own and rely on piggybacking to achieve their goals?
Maybe we just need LFG upgrade so we can set which profession+armor(armor would be based on overall stats)can join.
Zerkers will have only zerker people , all welcome people just dont set lfg specification so everyone can join .
I am not opposed to this at all. This is a totally different kind of thing from a DPS meter.
Maybe we just need LFG upgrade so we can set which profession+armor(armor would be based on overall stats)can join.
Zerkers will have only zerker people , all welcome people just dont set lfg specification so everyone can join .I am not opposed to this at all. This is a totally different kind of thing from a DPS meter.
lets be serious they will never add it , this game is noob friendly and it will cause too much harm even in pug groups , maybe only personal dps meter but forget about group option
That goes both ways.
Every dungeon run I’ve ever done I create my own party, and I typically put something along the lines of, “No elitism”, or “No zerkers – beginners only”, or “No Speed Clears” in my description line.
About half the time I get 1-2 people who completely ignore my description and start harassing other players or trying to kick them.
This happens when I create my own group.
So, let’s flip this around – should we also add some kind of meter that allows me to filter OUT zerker/elitists, aside from the LFG tool and part description?
Ya’ll are focused on only one side of the coin – a DPS meter that allows you to ensure that no one with sub-optimal gear will join your group.
How about the other way around – I want a tool that automatically rejects anyone who plays the way you do from joining my group, because I’ve had nothing but issues with your “kind” in the past.
The truth is, I don’t actually care how anyone is geared – I respect everyone’s right to play their own character however they want – including if they want to max out their DPS. I don’t put that in my description because I don’t like DPS builds – I put it there because I typically don’t like the attitude of the people that go along with it.
This GAME however, was sold as a ‘play how you want to’ game, which means that every kind of build, at least hypothetically, should be viable if the player is skilled.
The fact that it’s not is more indicative of poor game design. The fact that the meta favors a single kind of build just points to poor balance, nothing else.
I simply won’t support anything that continues to push things in this direction.
Justify it however you want to, I believe that a DPS meter is contrary to the spirit of this game.
If it is an absolute necessity that you run with a specific kind of player, then JOIN A GUILD, that’s what they’re for.
I vote a resounding NO for DPS meters.
Play how you want in GW2 didn’t mean every build would be viable or good if the player was skilled.
It meant you could do any activity in the game and still have access to the best statistical gear.
It had nothing to do with builds.
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Play how you want in GW2 didn’t mean every build would be viable or good if the player was skilled.
It meant you could do any activity in the game and still have access to the best statistical gear.
It had nothing to do with builds.
I thought it meant I could level by dancing for cows all day, silly me.
. . . also, far as I can tell every build is viable and playable in PvE due to how remarkably simple enemy AI is over much of the world. I mean, if my undergeared Engineer can still handle things without knowing what the heck he’s doing . . .
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That goes both ways.
Every dungeon run I’ve ever done I create my own party, and I typically put something along the lines of, “No elitism”, or “No zerkers – beginners only”, or “No Speed Clears” in my description line.
About half the time I get 1-2 people who completely ignore my description and start harassing other players or trying to kick them.
This happens when I create my own group.
So, let’s flip this around – should we also add some kind of meter that allows me to filter OUT zerker/elitists, aside from the LFG tool and part description?
Ya’ll are focused on only one side of the coin – a DPS meter that allows you to ensure that no one with sub-optimal gear will join your group.
Maybe we just need LFG upgrade so we can set which profession+armor(armor would be based on overall stats)can join.
Zerkers will have only zerker people , all welcome people just dont set lfg specification so everyone can join .I am not opposed to this at all. This is a totally different kind of thing from a DPS meter.
Just to be clear, yes, the problem with people ignoring group descriptions goes both ways, and I fully agree if you want tools to effectively exclude zerkers and hostile elitists from your groups.
I don’t really care about the DPS meter either, I am just totally opposed to the idea expressed in this thread that LFG tool should be for “casual” runs only.
How exactly will it bar someone from completing content? The only difference how much damage someone does is how quickly content is completed not whether it can be completed. Players who enjoy efficiency and players who don’t will both still be able to run in their groups, they just have different goals in mind. Are you implying that players who don’t care about efficiency do not have the skills to complete a dungeon on their own and rely on piggybacking to achieve their goals?
If you use the recount to discriminate against people who just want to do the content, you will turn them off to dungeons in general. The remaining dungeon population will make up mostly, if not completely, of people who use recount and follow the meta. It is essentially barring content.
And no, I am implying that if you have problems with PUGy players to just carry harder. You’ll be glad you did knowing that you are good enough to keep a dungeon run flowing smoothly even if it wasn’t optimized. Secondly recount is only going to push this game’s community closer to a WoW-tier attitude. Nobody wants that. Hell, I don’t want to deal with that again.
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“Please stop complaining about stuff you don’t even know about.” ~Nocta
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Just to be clear, yes, the problem with people ignoring group descriptions goes both ways, and I fully agree if you want tools to effectively exclude zerkers and hostile elitists from your groups.
It’s impossible to filter by personality and attitude – and you can’t exactly filter by stats, because there’s actually quite a lot of zerker-wearing casuals (some of them are very skilled as well, they just don’t care if the other people in the same group are equally skilled).
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Dps meters distract me way too much from everything else in the game. I become obsessed by that little number. It acts like a black hole, swallowing all my attention, all the fun, all my identity. Every element of the game becomes nothing but as tool used to raise that little number above the average, above other people’s. No thanks, I’m having way more fun not having to worry about it. Not everything has to be a competition.
Play how you want in GW2 didn’t mean every build would be viable or good if the player was skilled.
It meant you could do any activity in the game and still have access to the best statistical gear.
It had nothing to do with builds.
I thought it meant I could level by dancing for cows all day, silly me.
. . . also, far as I can tell every build is viable and playable in PvE due to how remarkably simple enemy AI is over much of the world. I mean, if my undergeared Engineer can still handle things without knowing what the heck he’s doing . . .
Well as long as dungeons are considered part of PvE then technically No. You see if you go into a dungeon with any “crap” build all you have done is increase the work your teammates have to do aka being carried.
e.g. Mace shield guardian specd for healing(not support or control). He would argue he keeps the party alive.
To say your undergeared Engineer can still handle things without knowing what the heck he is doing to me means that 1. Open world. 2. Open World. 3. Open World. 4. If Dungeons you were carried so well you didnt even notice.
And that is why when playing with “newbs” I always stand back and let the mobs slaughter them first. Then explain what happened, what Im going to do, and why im doing it.
Dont want them thinking just anything is acceptable. Thats like saying just anyone can play a sport well. I can tell you I may be 6ft tall but put a basketball in my hand and I will be carried nonstop. Infact it would be wise of them not to throw the ball to me as I love to travel.
I vote no.
Recount and Omen always wind up as ways for elitists to take over pugging. Not to mention some tend to spend more time watching the DPS meter rather than the fight.
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
Not really – it would be used as a way to be ‘LEETIST’ – "sorry you can’t join our group because you only do 99% of the damage the rest of us do’
It would be nice to have something like Recount so i can see who isn’t pulling their weight. Can’t stand leechers who get loot and gold off of others hard work and abilities.
This is attitude is precisely why they don’t have recount, and I, for one, am happy with their decision. There are several reasons why:
- There is more to this game than flat out DPS. Just because someone chooses to focus on condition removal, CC, and/or healing doesn’t make them lazy “leechers.”
- This is a game. There is no “hard work” involved. It’s all play. If you want to participate in a system where your hard work and abilities are recognized then get a job and excel at it.
- If you’re forming a random group it should be just that: random. You’re not entitled to play with only the best of the best players when you choose the random route. If you only want experienced players who conform to your specific glass cannon style of play then form a guild that focuses on that, and do things with them. Otherwise try to be a good in-game citizen and quit worrying about how everyone else does or doesn’t play.
- There are too many trolls out there who will deliberately do nothing whatsoever knowing that recount will expose them and incite fits of rage in players with attitudes like yours. You’re thinking that recount will improve the player base’s quality, but as a long-time WoW player I can attest that it often does the opposite.
It would be nice to have something like Recount so i can see who isn’t pulling their weight. Can’t stand leechers who get loot and gold off of others hard work and abilities.
This is attitude is precisely why they don’t have recount, and I, for one, am happy with their decision. There are several reasons why:
- There is more to this game than flat out DPS. Just because someone chooses to focus on condition removal, CC, and/or healing doesn’t make them lazy “leechers.”
- This is a game. There is no “hard work” involved. It’s all play. If you want to participate in a system where your hard work and abilities are recognized then get a job and excel at it.
- If you’re forming a random group it should be just that: random. You’re not entitled to play with only the best of the best players when you choose the random route. If you only want experienced players who conform to your specific glass cannon style of play then form a guild that focuses on that, and do things with them. Otherwise try to be a good in-game citizen and quit worrying about how everyone else does or doesn’t play.
- There are too many trolls out there who will deliberately do nothing whatsoever knowing that recount will expose them and incite fits of rage in players with attitudes like yours. You’re thinking that recount will improve the player base’s quality, but as a long-time WoW player I can attest that it often does the opposite.
1. If I wanted to play with other DPS-minded people, I should be able to.
2. Not a great analogy. Lets keep the comparison within the game.
3. The LFG tool is not really random. The description is there so one can personalize their party.
4. DPS may be an extreme measure. We just need a filter to better control who joins the party.
Is there some overlap between “leechers” being “people who do nothing at all to help in the dungeon” and “leechers” being “people who are trying their hardest but not outputting as much DPS as one would consider optimal?”
You can identify the former without a meter.
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ofc trying “their” hardest is subjective. :P
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
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I remember one “kick” complaint back during the heyday of CoF1 running. A mesmer was kicked, and asked why. I guess he remembered one of the names. That worthy said something like. “You took too long to CC the first boss back to the wall, and to place the portal at the boulders. You cost us a few seconds.”
I believe that, were a “sharable” DPS meter to be introduced, some players would use it to bludgeon others. I have nothing against people with standards for their dungeon groups. However, as I’ve said before, you can tell now who is and who isn’t adhering to the “approved” meta, so adding a potential griefing tool to the game (any system in an online game that can be abused, will be abused) which would only add functionality that can already be substantially attained, is not a good idea.
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
I just don’t like that mentality/attitude is all. What if I posted a zerker only party and 4 other members lied about their builds? What now? It wouldn’t be a good run, no doubt. I agree that unless it’s a record run, 1 member running suboptimal build probably won’t have noticeable difference. Just 1 though, what if 2 or 3?
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
I just don’t like that mentality/attitude is all. What if I posted a zerker only party and 4 other members lied about their builds? What now? It wouldn’t be a good run, no doubt. I agree that unless it’s a record run, 1 member running suboptimal build probably won’t have noticeable difference. Just 1 though, what if 2 or 3?
Oh I agree, I would have preferred not to even at the time, but this was before the LFG tool and I felt I didn’t have the choice if I was to ever complete my build. Even now with the LFG tool it is still way too difficult for a player to find a non speedrunning dungeon group to learn the paths.
In reality the best option would be that there not be sub-optimal builds in the first place. But for that to happen ANet would have to fix their jacked up stat system, and then the cornucopia of horrible stack-spam-dodge bosses. But since we are about to hit 21 months without a single case of a developer even speaking a word on condition damage, and just had official confirmation at gamescom they’ve written off dungeons as a lost cause, that’s not going to happen.
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They literally just revamped the Combat log, which has pretty amazing functionality now.
Granted, this should have probably been in the game at launch, but I don’t see any reason we would need something like Recount now.
Other than comparing and measuring kittens for raw DPS because someone got lucky enough to perfectly execute that right combo at the right time in that one boss fight that no one’s gonna remember of course.
In short – no.
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It would be nice to have something like Recount so i can see who isn’t pulling their weight. Can’t stand leechers who get loot and gold off of others hard work and abilities.
This is attitude is precisely why they don’t have recount, and I, for one, am happy with their decision. There are several reasons why:
- There is more to this game than flat out DPS. Just because someone chooses to focus on condition removal, CC, and/or healing doesn’t make them lazy “leechers.”
- This is a game. There is no “hard work” involved. It’s all play. If you want to participate in a system where your hard work and abilities are recognized then get a job and excel at it.
- If you’re forming a random group it should be just that: random. You’re not entitled to play with only the best of the best players when you choose the random route. If you only want experienced players who conform to your specific glass cannon style of play then form a guild that focuses on that, and do things with them. Otherwise try to be a good in-game citizen and quit worrying about how everyone else does or doesn’t play.
- There are too many trolls out there who will deliberately do nothing whatsoever knowing that recount will expose them and incite fits of rage in players with attitudes like yours. You’re thinking that recount will improve the player base’s quality, but as a long-time WoW player I can attest that it often does the opposite.
1. If I wanted to play with other DPS-minded people, I should be able to.
2. Not a great analogy. Lets keep the comparison within the game.
3. The LFG tool is not really random. The description is there so one can personalize their party.
4. DPS may be an extreme measure. We just need a filter to better control who joins the party.
- You are able to form a guild and run exclusively with them. No one is stopping you from doing that.
- My point exactly. I’m not the one who first made the comparison. The OP is the one who referred to performance in dungeons as “hard work.”
- To clarify, the LFG tool may enable you to improve your odds of getting a certain type of player, but it doesn’t entitle you to exclusively play with the “best of the best”
- This is now straying off topic. The title of this post is that “Recount would be great.” I’m assuming that this is a reference to the WoW addon that tracks DPS, heals, and damage taken. What other criteria would you propose then?
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When are people gonna understand that no means no. It was said right from the start that programs like recount will not be allowed in gw2.
The bottom line is this you were told and you have a choice you can play the game with gw2 rules or you can go and play wow with your recount addon.
The game is not going to change into wow you can just forget about it.
As for the dude that want to play with dps minded people nothing is stopping you there are tons of zerk only groups doing dungeons join em.
Play how you want in GW2 didn’t mean every build would be viable or good if the player was skilled.
It meant you could do any activity in the game and still have access to the best statistical gear.
It had nothing to do with builds.
I thought it meant I could level by dancing for cows all day, silly me.
. . . also, far as I can tell every build is viable and playable in PvE due to how remarkably simple enemy AI is over much of the world. I mean, if my undergeared Engineer can still handle things without knowing what the heck he’s doing . . .
Well as long as dungeons are considered part of PvE then technically No. You see if you go into a dungeon with any “crap” build all you have done is increase the work your teammates have to do aka being carried.
e.g. Mace shield guardian specd for healing(not support or control). He would argue he keeps the party alive.To say your undergeared Engineer can still handle things without knowing what the heck he is doing to me means that 1. Open world. 2. Open World. 3. Open World. 4. If Dungeons you were carried so well you didnt even notice.
And that is why when playing with “newbs” I always stand back and let the mobs slaughter them first. Then explain what happened, what Im going to do, and why im doing it.
Dont want them thinking just anything is acceptable. Thats like saying just anyone can play a sport well. I can tell you I may be 6ft tall but put a basketball in my hand and I will be carried nonstop. Infact it would be wise of them not to throw the ball to me as I love to travel.
I’d snip your post, but I don’t want to waste my time as it appears you aren’t aware of A.nets design philosophy: which is that all builds should be viable . That’s how the game was designed, so that all builds for all classes using what ever weapons would be viable in the PvE world, and that includes dungeons, now is that the case? That’s a subjective matter that only each person can answer, so whether it takes one build 30 seconds to kill something vs another that might take 10 minutes(and extreme example but necessary to prove my point), it’s still a viable build.
What constitutes a viable build? To put it simply it only needs to survive and be able to kill mobs, that’s the basis of a viable build in PvE….nothing more, nothing less.
I would like a real time data log that shows me all the damage done, dps, total damage, amount of deaths etc in my speed clears.
It would be nice to have something like Recount so i can see who isn’t pulling their weight. Can’t stand leechers who get loot and gold off of others hard work and abilities.
It of course should be opional to toggle on or off, that way casuals won’t feel under pressure, but more determined palyers could use the data to improve their builds?
This is exactly why you will never see this in GW2, this game is for casual players, not the player that has to have the penultimate damage output in his party to feel like he is doing any good. I don’t put out the highest damage possible, but I am skilled enough to be the only person alive in a level 36 Fractal with no AR on the boss fight.
It is clear that I would not be “pulling my weight” in your eyes, however, I could probably play anybody under the table without a problem.
This game is about playing the game, not about fleecing the game with enough damage to mitigate the AI. That is a byproduct of console games like Nintendo and Sega.
Try doing a dungeon in a suboptimal build, and then see how much better you can make your times. That would require game skill.
This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
I just don’t like that mentality/attitude is all. What if I posted a zerker only party and 4 other members lied about their builds? What now? It wouldn’t be a good run, no doubt. I agree that unless it’s a record run, 1 member running suboptimal build probably won’t have noticeable difference. Just 1 though, what if 2 or 3?
Pot and kettle.
You don’t like the attitude that others have, others don’t like the attitude that you have. This is the endless cycle between “casuals” or “bads” and “elitists”.
They don’t stop to think that maybe how they feel about what others do is also how others feel about what they do. Very rarely does this kind of consideration ever come into play before the almighty kick button is pressed and voted.
Nobody wants to play together anymore, only argue like babies so that they can shave a few minutes off of a run, and it has just become downright awful.
This is precisely why tools like a DPS meter cannot exist.
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This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
I just don’t like that mentality/attitude is all. What if I posted a zerker only party and 4 other members lied about their builds? What now? It wouldn’t be a good run, no doubt. I agree that unless it’s a record run, 1 member running suboptimal build probably won’t have noticeable difference. Just 1 though, what if 2 or 3?
Pot and kettle.
You don’t like the attitude that others have, others don’t like the attitude that you have. This is the endless cycle between “casuals” or “bads” and “elitists”.
They don’t stop to think that maybe how they feel about what others do is also how others feel about what they do. Very rarely does this kind of consideration ever come into play before the almighty kick button is pressed and voted.
Nobody wants to play together anymore, only argue like babies so that they can shave a few minutes off of a run, and it has just become downright awful.
This is precisely why tools like a DPS meter cannot exist.
Maybe you misunderstood me or did not read the entirety of our conversation. Regardless of what type of run it is, casual or speedrun, I don’t like players who lie to get in any party. They shouldn’t have to as there is ALWAYS a party for everybody to join.
And please, people do wanna play together. This is what the thread is about, looking for like-minded players.
I, like many others in this thread, would like a personal-only, non-linkable to chat DPS meter so that I could at least improve myself.
I think that is an efficient compromise for everyone.
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And please, people do wanna play together. This is what the thread is about, looking for like-minded players.
No, it’s about wanting a convenience tool, one of the applications of which might be finding people who do good DPS (for certain values of good). There are plenty of ways to find the like-minded, starting with the dungeon forum. I don’t think a convenience tool should be able to be used to put other players down, not when there are slightly less convenient alternatives to do what the tool would do.
As I said before, though, I’d be down with a personal, non-shareable meter — if the new and hopefully improved combat log doesn’t do the trick.
Is there some overlap between “leechers” being “people who do nothing at all to help in the dungeon” and “leechers” being “people who are trying their hardest but not outputting as much DPS as one would consider optimal?”
You can identify the former without a meter.
They’re the same thing result wise. Nobody cares exactly why they’re not doing their job. It could be because they don’t care or don’t know how to – but the end result is a slower sloppier run.
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This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
You’re exactly the kind of person that we need filters and tools to keep away from our parties. Not because of your gear – but because of your attitude.
If here they fall they shall live on when ever you cry “For Ascalon!”
The more tools a company gives for elitists to flourish, the worse the atmosphere of the game will be for the rest of us. I don’t think any company should encourage people to empower one set of the population to demean another set of the population. Now I’m not saying all elistists do this…but some do and they’re loud and obnoxious.
We already have farmers vs people who want to just play the game in multiple threads shouting at each other, and we’ve already had a number of threads about people arguing about elitists in LFG…this would just make the issues worse.
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This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
You’re exactly the kind of person that we need filters and tools to keep away from our parties. Not because of your gear – but because of your attitude.
No idea what ‘attitude’ you’re talking about, I was a perfectly genteel dungeon runner. I never detracted from anyone’s play experience, and was not once reported, I can’t even recall an instance of anyone getting angry at me. Strictly speaking I didn’t even lie, I just joined the parties and didn’t say anything.
I was playing the game how I wanted, and it is no business of anyone else how I do so as long as I do not detract from their own way of playing the game, which I did not in any way, shape, or form.
Elitist players who make these type of groups on the other hand have abused and pushed players away from the dungeon content to the point that ANet considers dungeon content and updates a complete waste of development time. Such players are the reason we are probably never going to see another major dungeon update ever again. Thanks for that.
My attitude, in spite of my lying, did absolutely no harm to anyone at any time. While the attitude of those you are defending has completely destroyed a section of the game’s content to the point that even the developers themselves have openly abandoned all hope of repairing it.
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This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
You’re exactly the kind of person that we need filters and tools to keep away from our parties. Not because of your gear – but because of your attitude.
No idea what ‘attitude’ you’re talking about, I was a perfectly genteel dungeon runner. I never detracted from anyone’s play experience, and was not once reported, I can’t even recall an instance of anyone getting angry at me. Strictly speaking I didn’t even lie, I just joined the parties and didn’t say anything.
I was playing the game how I wanted, and it is no business of anyone else how I do so as long as I do not detract from their own way of playing the game, which I did not in any way, shape, or form.
Elitist players who make these type of groups on the other hand have abused and pushed players away from the dungeon content to the point that ANet considers dungeon content and updates a complete waste of development time. Such players are the reason we are probably never going to see another major dungeon update ever again. Thanks for that.
My attitude, in spite of my lying, did absolutely no harm to anyone at any time. While the attitude of those you are defending has completely destroyed a section of the game’s content to the point that even the developers themselves have openly abandoned all hope of repairing it.
You’re projecting, you actually have no idea why Anet is not supporting dungeons at the moment. It very well could be that there is a small population of people who actually run dungeons. However, it’s dishonest to try and pin that on “elitist” behavior since you have exactly zero evidence beyond a limited perception and personal bias to substantiate such a claim.
The fact remains that both play styles are equally valid, however you were intentionally deceitful towards a particular group. I believe I read that you mentioned several times in another post that you “saved the day”. Did it occur to you that because the way the group was setup if you had run all dps like the others, they may have not needed “saving” since the mobs would have died before downing the players? That’s the thing about all zerker groups, everyone needs to run that way for the party to function properly with that play style.
The only thing you actually seem to care about is what you want, not what anyone else is asking for. I see far more wrong with your behavior than someone who wishes to avoid players that behave as you do.
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This is the very thing I hate in games like this.
why though? It can help you improve ur skills
No it doesn’t, there is no skill in blindly adhering to a system. That’s like saying filling out forms is a skill or obeying the traffic lights as you drive.
I have several builds I like on each of my characters, and only one build on one character out of all of them is a berserker build, the most ‘efficient’ build. But I am, good with all of them. I used to carry through CoE speed runs on a tanky condi glyph elementalist. I didn’t tell anyone that was my build, as it was none of their business, or yours. Because they would have likely made the same ill-informed snap judgments you and most players would make were they to be given the tools you are suggesting.
Yes, in a ‘play how you want’ casual party. In a zerker only party, I don’t think so. Ofc, if the other party members is unskilled, it wouldn’t be a good run regardless of gear anyways.
Also if your playing alone, in open world for example, I don’t care what build you use. But when start partying with other player, you’re no longer just responsible for your own. What build you use doesn’t just affect you, but also your party members.
It wasn’t always in a casual party, I joined plenty of the all zerker parties, and just lied about my build, and it made absolutely no difference, the clear times didn’t change and not once in the months it took me to get my CoE gear did anybody even notice. In fact I frequently got complimented and friended from my dungeon runs.
Why? No on plays perfect no matter how much they laud themselves as ‘leet’, I often saved those parties when one or multiple people missed a dodge against Subject Alpha. For the few unnoticeable seconds they lost on each run, every 3-4 runs I singlehandedly saved them minutes by averting a wipe. In fact I liked joining those parties, as it insured that I was to be the only condimancer in ANets laughably dysfunctional stat system.
You’re exactly the kind of person that we need filters and tools to keep away from our parties. Not because of your gear – but because of your attitude.
No idea what ‘attitude’ you’re talking about, I was a perfectly genteel dungeon runner. I never detracted from anyone’s play experience, and was not once reported, I can’t even recall an instance of anyone getting angry at me. Strictly speaking I didn’t even lie, I just joined the parties and didn’t say anything.
I was playing the game how I wanted, and it is no business of anyone else how I do so as long as I do not detract from their own way of playing the game, which I did not in any way, shape, or form.
Elitist players who make these type of groups on the other hand have abused and pushed players away from the dungeon content to the point that ANet considers dungeon content and updates a complete waste of development time. Such players are the reason we are probably never going to see another major dungeon update ever again. Thanks for that.
My attitude, in spite of my lying, did absolutely no harm to anyone at any time. While the attitude of those you are defending has completely destroyed a section of the game’s content to the point that even the developers themselves have openly abandoned all hope of repairing it.
If someone is asking for something specific in their party then have the decency to abide by it. When you click “join” for a party asking for zerkers without being zerk then you are lying by omission. Not to mention when someone asks for “something specific” in their party and you join then that “something specific” becomes their business. Just because some zerker somewhere wronged you doesn’t make being deceitful to someone else OK.
As for the thread, definite no to Recount. Tweaking LFG to keep people honest would be great though.
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Ill say it again. All builds are not viable. Based on what you said yourself. “needs to survive and kill mobs” Not all builds can survive all content. I made my statement with no concerns about timing.
In group content when one player is lacking the others cover that which one lacks.
Go in with crap damage, the party has to cover that with more support/cc.
the d/f ele for pure damage has no defensive utilities, uses heal as part of might stacking rotation. I near wholly depend on my teammates quick responses to conditions and control to survive. I make up for that lack of support by doing circular objects to the wall damage and adding 15stacks of might and perma fury.
That build is not always viable because 60% I have teammates that think this game has no support or control thus I die. Near instantly. Therefore I have to change my something more selfish so that I may live and be “viable”.
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Is there some overlap between “leechers” being “people who do nothing at all to help in the dungeon” and “leechers” being “people who are trying their hardest but not outputting as much DPS as one would consider optimal?”
You can identify the former without a meter.
They’re the same thing result wise. Nobody cares exactly why they’re not doing their job. It could be because they don’t care or don’t know how to – but the end result is a slower sloppier run.
Well, okay. If you wanna lump honest effort in with apathy.
I think people should be allowed to set a standard on their runs. Having a meter or not won’t exactly change the attitudes of people players might not want to play with anyway, so, w/e.
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God no, go back to WoW!
You’re projecting, you actually have no idea why Anet is not supporting dungeons at the moment. It very well could be that there is a small population of people who actually run dungeons. However, it’s dishonest to try and pin that on “elitist” behavior since you have exactly zero evidence beyond a limited perception and personal bias to substantiate such a claim.
You need to look up what ‘projection’ means. They blatantly stated that dungeons weren’t being given attention because they are not played enough to warrant the amount of development time they take. As for why they are not being played enough, that is not a ‘projection’ but my opinion, and one based on no small amount of experience with the dungeon community, not to mention the collective experience of every other casual player I know who has come in to contact with the dungeon community.
If someone is asking for something specific in their party then have the decency to abide by it. When you click “join” for a party asking for zerkers without being zerk then you are lying by omission. Not to mention when someone asks for “something specific” in their party and you join then that “something specific” becomes their business. Just because some zerker somewhere wronged you doesn’t make being deceitful to someone else OK.
I met all reasonable expectations that made them request that specific build. They wanted a zerker because they wanted through the dungeon as quickly as possibly. As a full condi build, so long as it is the only condi build in the group, is just as fast a zerker in most situations, I met that requirement, and therefore did nothing wrong.
Granted it would still be preferable if I didn’t have to deceive other players to do so, but that is neither my fault, nor my problem. Tell Anet to fix their barely functional stat system, their borked dungeons, and do something about the hostile community before you tell players not to play content they have every right to participate in.
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hmmmm i want to ask what was the party make up and what your prof was but that would make me elitist.
Sorta like breaking into someones house and saying they should have had bars on their windows and that they should blame the police for not standing outside.
Granted it would still be preferable if I didn’t have to deceive other players to do so, but that is neither my fault, nor my problem. Tell Anet to fix their barely functional stat system, their borked dungeons, and do something about the hostile community before you tell players not to play content they have every right to participate in.
You have not, however, described a situation in which your “right” to participate in content is the issue. You are describing a situation in which you blatantly disregard preferences expressed by other players for your own advantage.
Would it be “nice” of other players to take anyone who wanted to go? Absolutely. However, they are not obligated to do so. It would also be “nice” to respect others preferences. Your disregard for those preferences is a blatant expression of entitlement, not you exercising your rights.
You’re projecting, you actually have no idea why Anet is not supporting dungeons at the moment. It very well could be that there is a small population of people who actually run dungeons. However, it’s dishonest to try and pin that on “elitist” behavior since you have exactly zero evidence beyond a limited perception and personal bias to substantiate such a claim.
You need to look up what ‘projection’ means. They blatantly stated that dungeons weren’t being given attention because they are not played enough to warrant the amount of development time they take. As for why they are not being played enough, that is not a ‘projection’ but my opinion, and one based on no small amount of experience with the dungeon community, not to mention the collective experience of every other casual player I know who has come in to contact with the dungeon community.
You are behaving in a toxic manner by not respecting clearly defined expectations and then turning around and accusing others of being toxic. This is the very definition of projection as it relates to psychology. See example below:
Projection is a defense mechanism that involves taking our own unacceptable qualities or feelings and ascribing them to other people. For example, if you have a strong dislike for someone, you might instead believe that he or she does not like you. Projection works by allowing the expression of the desire or impulse, but in a way that the ego cannot recognize, therefore reducing anxiety.
You could have avoided that group and simply played with another group or formed your own, but instead you deliberately chose to be deceitful. However you try to justify it, your behavior is just as bad if not worse than the supposed “elitists” you seem to hold such a disdain for. Clearly you only consider your own wants and playstyle or time as having any merit. If you want to run rabid gear then do so in your own party or a party that does not specifically state zerker only. This is especially true since it’s been proven mathematically by multiple theorycrafters that condition damage does not come close to the same amount of damage in group situations that p/p/f does whether you are the only condi focused player or not because it lacks the instant burst needed in many situations.
Having said all of this, so it’s clear… there is nothing wrong with not using zerker gear. Just respect others and if a group clearly states they are looking for zerker geared players don’t try to force yourself into it just because you believe they are kittens. Doing so makes you more like the “elitists” than you will ever likely admit to and is a prime example of why there is a need for better filtering tools. It keeps everyone honest.
(edited by ShadowPuppet.3746)