Guild Wars 2

Lately I’ve been very unlucky with salvage kits.
Using Black Lion Salvage Kits on rares, I received 3 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 6 rares.
Using Master’s Salvage Kits yesterday, I received 2 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 8 rares.
Today I had a similar result, not yielding any Globs of Ectoplasm from 5 or 6 rares using the Master’s Salvage Kits.
Have the kits been nerfed?

Yoroiookami.3485:

Lately I’ve been very unlucky with salvage kits.
Using Black Lion Salvage Kits on rares, I received 3 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 6 rares.
Using Master’s Salvage Kits yesterday, I received 2 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 8 rares.
Today I had a similar result, not yielding any Globs of Ectoplasm from 5 or 6 rares using the Master’s Salvage Kits.
Have the kits been nerfed?

I kinda noticed that as well… I stopped salvaging rares, and TP all of them.

Logged in just to comment that I have seen this lately, too. Yesterday I had guild missions, was lucky with drops, and hit a few world bosses. I got 9 rares and one exotic. Salvaged the rares with Mystic kit, got ONE ecto, salvaged the exotic with a BL kit and get this- I got ONE mithril lump. Talk about p’d off… Not salvaging anything else till we see another patch.

Salvaging was indeed nerfed. I thought it was just the T5 materials, so their value would rise, but I always suspected they did the same to rare/ecto. My salvages were pitiful before, but now it’s just ludicrous. I can break a rare and get one (1) T5 material. It’s maddening.

In other words – sell all your rares on TP. Thanks guys.

https://www.gw2tp.com/item/19721-glob-of-ectoplasm looks like no …

Having nothing better to do, after I read this thread I salvaged my tiny collection of 11 rares with a mystic salvage kit.

Results
10 ectos
6 thick leather
5 mithril
1 ori
1 ancient wood log
2 silk scraps
8 runes/sigils

I had a very good rate lately… It’s just bad RNG ;-)

If multiple people noticed rares not yielding nearly as many materials, I’m pretty sure it’s something more than “bad RNG”.

Just a flesh wound.3589, thank you for posting that we’re just having a run of bad luck. I was hoping that was the case, but when others start to “confirm” your fears its nice for someone else to show its not the case.

“Bad RNG” got buffed 50%

These threads are made after every patch since the game launched. Every time it turns out nothing was changed. Salvaging 8 or 9 rares is not going to tell you anything about the rate of ecto, it’s not even close to being a significantly large sample. Need more like 200+.

With the amount of people crafting stuff. If the ecto rate was nerfed the prices should be going up while the supply should be going down but the opposite seems to be happening. Where are the extra ectos coming from if the salvage rate has been nerfed?

Edit: Just thought of the answer to my own question. The overall drop rate of rares feels like it has increased but that aside pushing more people to fractals also means more rares being added and salvaged. Fractals has always had a decent drop rate for rares and account bound exotics so that could account for the additional supply.

Khisanth.2948:

With the amount of people crafting stuff. If the ecto rate was nerfed the prices should be going up while the supply should be going down but the opposite seems to be happening. Where are the extra ectos coming from if the salvage rate has been nerfed?

Edit: Just thought of the answer to my own question. The overall drop rate of rares feels like it has increased but that aside pushing more people to fractals also means more rares being added and salvaged. Fractals has always had a decent drop rate for rares and account bound exotics so that could account for the additional supply.

More people are doing bosses for scavenger hunt/collection items…more bosses equals more rares.

Khisanth.2948:

With the amount of people crafting stuff. If the ecto rate was nerfed the prices should be going up while the supply should be going down but the opposite seems to be happening. Where are the extra ectos coming from if the salvage rate has been nerfed?

Edit: Just thought of the answer to my own question. The overall drop rate of rares feels like it has increased but that aside pushing more people to fractals also means more rares being added and salvaged. Fractals has always had a decent drop rate for rares and account bound exotics so that could account for the additional supply.

There are also more people in Orr again for the map rewards, one of which being ecto.

Could this be in line with :

“Salvaging Changes

Despite keeping a heavy sink of materials in the new endgame weapon journeys, the changes were nowhere close to balancing the current numbers . To help get us closer to where we want to be, we’ll simultaneously roll out changes to the salvaging of some materials. Some of these changes will reduce output to help us maintain scarcity, and some will rebalance heavily input materials with more rare materials to help even out some of the variation of scarcity we currently have."
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/the-guild-wars-2-heart-of-thorns-economy/

Yoroiookami.3485:

Lately I’ve been very unlucky with salvage kits.
Using Black Lion Salvage Kits on rares, I received 3 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 6 rares.
Using Master’s Salvage Kits yesterday, I received 2 Globs of Ectoplasm out of 8 rares.
Today I had a similar result, not yielding any Globs of Ectoplasm from 5 or 6 rares using the Master’s Salvage Kits.
Have the kits been nerfed?

6 attempts (BL) and 8 attempts (master/mystic) aren’t enough to determine if the pattern has changed. Keep track for 100 trials. I’m not seeing a difference over the long run and in the short run, 50%/BL or 25%/M isn’t that unusual.

I use the mystic salvage kit. And i get tons of ectos still. I made over 100 the last 2 days. Perhaps its just RnGesus messing with you.

Yoroiookami.3485:

If multiple people noticed rares not yielding nearly as many materials, I’m pretty sure it’s something more than “bad RNG”.

You mean the three people that answered your thread?

Come on man… It’s bad luck.

I would agree that in general it feels like I’m getting fewer materials from the gear I do salvage. But I expected as much thanks to the idea what apparently what is good for the community and economy is not making things accessible by having more of them but making them less accessible by having less of them. “Scarcity”.

Yoroiookami.3485:

If multiple people noticed rares not yielding nearly as many materials, I’m pretty sure it’s something more than “bad RNG”.

Some problems with that:

1. Your sample size isn’t large enough. You can have runs of bad luck without any nerf or glitch having happened. You’re not out of the realm of a possible run of bad luck.

2. Not enough people posting concrete data to even reach a large enough sample size.

3. The people just posting anecdotal evidence without any numbers don’t count. Humans by nature are biased toward remembering when bad things happen over when good things happen. Part of our survival instincts. So we’re better apt to avoid the things that would harm/kill us.

Senario.2038:

I would agree that in general it feels like I’m getting fewer materials from the gear I do salvage. But I expected as much thanks to the idea what apparently what is good for the community and economy is not making things accessible by having more of them but making them less accessible by having less of them. “Scarcity”.

“feels like” isn’t necessarily accurate — it turns out, we humans are very good at spotting patterns that involve bad luck; we are quick to ignore average or better-than-average luck; and we discount how often we see good luck.

As a similar example, my Uncle used to complain about how bad older drivers were where he lived. He said, “every time I see a bad driver do something, I look over and see that they are old, too.” At that point, I reminded him that his development tract was bordered on all sides by retirement homes — that is, everyone he lived near was older. He was noticing the bad drivers; he paid no attention at all to the good ones (who were equally old).

The point being: our “feelings” aren’t usually accurate barometers of what’s really going on — unless you count results systematically over enough examples, you might just be noticing low salvage rate streaks and discounting the high-rate streaks.

For mystic kits, you should expect ~88 ecto / 100 rares. 1% of people who do that will see ‘only’ 80 rares, but that’s a huge number of people, so someone on the forums will experience it and I wouldn’t call it a trend. However, if you only got 75 ecto, that would be very unusual and fewer than 70 would suggest that something has changed (often, it turns out, that someone used the wrong salvage kit).

tl;dr we’d need to see data on at least 100 salvages before it would be reasonable to worry about a nerf.

Before the expansion we were told by John Smith that salvaging was going to be reduced in his “economy gonna go crazy, but we are watching” post.

He even kindly did a Q&A thread as well, that may answer other questions you might have.

The last 10 rare I salvaged net me around 20 ectos. By your logic I should be asking if salvage kits were buffed.

Other have said it, I’ll just rephrase. Sample sizes of less than 1,000 are no where to be taken serious.

Also consider this, if you open a thread with this title, guess who is going to answer first? Exactly, people who had the same subjective experience.

For future referance:

- salvaging 10 rares and getting 0 ectos is possible (I should know, it’s happened to me 1nce)
- salvaging 5 rares and getting 10 ectos is possible too

Both are not in any way representative sample sizes.

Thank you kindly for your kittenery, I appreciate it. I was simply asking if that’s the case. It’s good to know it’s not. I think you guys took the whole asura roleplaying a bit too seriously.

I’ve been convinced since the expansion came out that they buffed the ecto rate closer to 1.0 per, at least until the update earlier this week.

Not seeing it here. Looks fine.

Monk Tank.5897:

“Bad RNG” got buffed 50%

For ectos, I feel like I am seeing more occurrences of 0 AND more occurrences of 3 ectos per rare.

Maybe they increased randomness to make everybody paranoid…

I know that i have felt similar, I’d ask if you have used the Ascended Salvage Kit at all, i think that with 1 it having so little coming out of Ascended Gear, and with the drop rates of Dark Energy seeming low, it seems rather that they might have changed the drop rates (this is my opinion), thought I think the drop ratio with ASK (Ascended Salvage Kit) should be buff enough to see at least 1 with 10 pieces.