Guild Wars 2

How about this as an idea if (Anet wants) – install fishing in the game for our characters!

It seems a few of the posters above need to brush up on their reading comprehension. JAFW isn’t asking for the fish to be removed from the game nor is she being overly sensitive and complaining. I’ve never known JAFW to behave in such a way.

Sister Saxifrage.7361:

It’s not a Magikarp reference?

GG putting two and two together, Water Dragon confirmed.

No, really, ANet shouldn’t change it, because kitten political correctness. That is in the same league than people that tried (and sadly, succeded) in making ANet feel guilty for their plane joke for 2015 april’s fool.

If it really disturbs you, you can move away, it’s the pet of another player, not yours. My point is : if you don’t like it, ignore it, as it’s not forced unto you. I really don’t see why it disturbs people so greatly, unless they think about it hard, and take the time to actually observe the animation, in which case…maybe the problem is not in the animation.

My advice to you OP is to watch the fish closely. If the fish dies at some point then it was truly suffocating. If it continues to flop around and never dies it simply has no legs. I hear ANet likes to add long loop animations so make sure to really study it for a good amount of time just to make sure.

Endless Soul.5178:

It seems a few of the posters above need to brush up on their reading comprehension. JAFW isn’t asking for the fish to be removed from the game nor is she being overly sensitive and complaining. I’ve never known JAFW to behave in such a way.

Reading comprehension?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

-snip-The question is, should ANet keep this animation or change it to a swimming animation. -snip- I would vote for a change in animation. Your thoughts?

Fiddlestyx.9714:

Endless Soul.5178:

It seems a few of the posters above need to brush up on their reading comprehension. JAFW isn’t asking for the fish to be removed from the game nor is she being overly sensitive and complaining. I’ve never known JAFW to behave in such a way.

Reading comprehension?

Just a flesh wound.3589:

-snip-The question is, should ANet keep this animation or change it to a swimming animation. -snip- I would vote for a change in animation. Your thoughts?

You left out a later post of mine where I said,

If after looking it over they decide to change the animation then I’ll buy it. If they don’t, then that’s their choice. I’m perfectly capable of ignoring it as is, but neither will I buy it.

I think the next mini should be a nice block of cheese to go with all this whine.

I think it’s perfectly fine. Just like the different kinds of content, such as Raids, it does not appeal to everyone, but does to some. Not my cup of tea, again, such as Raids, but I would not ask for it/them to be changed, because some enjoy it/them.

Variety is always good. Everything does not have to appeal to everyone, not even to the majority (such as Raids).

Good luck.

Doggie.3184:

He’s having a good time, just look at his happy face.

lol

My view is that humans have a very strange way of treating animals with favouritism. I don’t think that the controversy around the mini pet is A-net’s issue, but more of a social one. And it’s an uncomfortable one to think about- it’s convenient to only have to care about animals that are cute (to avoid having to think about the suffering we cause to the rest).

So in that respect, I agree that it’s a shame that most people don’t bat an eye if they see an animation based on the death throes of a real animal.

Sure, we see animations of animals and people being injured in game all the time. I suppose there are a couple of key differences here:
-The mini doesn’t seem relevant to current events (April fish, perhaps? shrugs)
-It’s perhaps a little too jarring/realistic to what we would expect animation/creature-wise in-game (i.e. a dying giant wurm head crawling across the ground is ok- that’s entirely a fantasy creature)
-Choosing a non-enemy (?) creature model that appears to be dying seems like a strange choice of mini pet in general.
-That a dying animal is being sold as a novelty/comedy item

I saw that somebody said that WoW had a fish in a floating water bubble mini. I think that sounds a lot more interesting aesthetically as well as less… weird.

So uh… I don’t think A-net should change the mini. It would’ve been nice if something different was chosen to begin with, but oh well, I just won’t buy it. I think the mini has started an interesting dialogue here as well, so there’s that.

Inb4 next mini available: a moa walking around with its head buried in the ground

Looking forward to the next pet: a perpetually drowning cat that spasms as it drags itself around after you.

Pifil.5193:

Looking forward to the next pet: a perpetually drowning cat that spasms as it drags itself around after you.

Ouch.

I did point out to another poster (a point that no one else picked up) that just because it’s a fish doesn’t mean it’s less upsetting to see it gasp for air. I then suggested as a thought exercise, would you be ok with a mini of a dog lying on its side gasping for air and flopping around to catch up with you?

shop/toys

I bought the Floppy Fish, and it’s as cute as can be!

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Rashagar.8349:

I think the point is that any personal discomfort one feels on seeing the mini is a result of the narrative one is applying to it rather than an intrinsic element of the mini itself.
The question I’m curious about is, are you capable of removing the “ick feeling” for yourself by making a conscious decision to alter the narrative you’re projecting onto it? Now that equally valid alternative narratives have been presented I mean. (Fair do’s to you if you can btw, it’s not an easy thing to do)

Someone may be able to “change the story in their mind” after reading the thread. However, most people in the game who dislike the mini’s animation will never see this thread. They simply won’t buy the mini. And that’s my point. ANet made this mini to make money. If it doesn’t meet their projected sales then it’s not a success for them. If it doesn’t sell well and ANet doesn’t know why people aren’t buying the mini then they won’t know they made a mistake or how to correct it.

I made the thread to point out to ANet that there is an Ick factor to the animation. If the animation is hurting sales and they don’t know why, then here is the reason. If after looking it over they decide to change the animation then I’ll buy it. If they don’t, then that’s their choice. I’m perfectly capable of ignoring it as is, but neither will I buy it.

That’s fair enough but now that it’s been released I don’t think it should be changed. Though the alternative suggestions in the thread sound fun too so my vote would be that there’s plenty of room for more than one fish in the (BLT)C.
=D

Personally I’ve always loved the dolphins and whales in the game more than the fish so my vote would be for mystical floating waterball dolphins (that leapt and frolicked out of the bubble in different directions) and not-so-mini sky whales. If fish I’d want a rolling hamsterball style fishbowl that splashed water as it went. If it was definitely going to be a floating water ball with fish in it I’d want it to be one of the tropical fish types with the elaborate fins because I think it’d look like they were keeping the ball afloat through their own magic. Just personal taste really.

They could have just always used the bubble glider and put it in its own bubble on land. lol

I only vote to change it if they change it to a floppy disk.

I do find it mildly amusing that Just a flesh wound raises the issue. I don’t think I want a mini Black Knight spouting gore either.

https://youtu.be/zKhEw7nD9C4

Floppy fish are amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwS4_xo5Shg

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

cadmiumgreen.8712:

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

I thought it was worth a thread to discuss it. And I’m glad you like it. I’m reminded now of an old saying that I heard back in the 60’s.

“Everyone to his own taste,” the old woman said when she kissed her cow.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

cadmiumgreen.8712:

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

I thought it was worth a thread to discuss it. And I’m glad you like it. I’m reminded now of an old saying that I heard back in the 60’s.

“Everyone to his own taste,” the old woman said when she kissed her cow.

Wonder how the cow felt about that….

Mourningcry.9428:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

cadmiumgreen.8712:

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

I thought it was worth a thread to discuss it. And I’m glad you like it. I’m reminded now of an old saying that I heard back in the 60’s.

“Everyone to his own taste,” the old woman said when she kissed her cow.

Wonder how the cow felt about that….

Cows don’t have feelings. They’re animals. O.o
/sarcasm

Edit: added /sarcasm as some don’t know that /s means: not serious.

If I had even the slightest belief that Anet was showing an animal in distress, I would agree that a change may be needed. I say this after killing many cows and moas .

That said, I’m willing to accept any story which points to the contrary, as this is a fantasy world. To quote Gnashblade, “I’ve heard of a fish out of water, but this is absurd. Thanks to certain, uh…proprietary advancements in magic, we’ve got a genuine Krytan* bass here that’ll follow you wherever you go.”

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reel-in-a-mini-floppy-fish-today/

The proprietary advancement in magic is enough of an escape mechanism to put me at easy.

I find it kind of sick and disturbing.

The gasping like it’s “suffocating” is what I find disturbing. I know it’s not real, but watching a seemingly tortuous death that mimics something all too real made me feel uneasy. Take away the gasping look and just have it flopping around would make take away the majority of my negative feelings towards it.

I actually haven’t been playing the game for quite some time now and never saw the fish in a video or anything until this thread. Not sure I would have noticed if nobody brought it up.

Greener.6204:

If I had even the slightest belief that Anet was showing an animal in distress, I would agree that a change may be needed. I say this after killing many cows and moas .

That said, I’m willing to accept any story which points to the contrary, as this is a fantasy world. To quote Gnashblade, “I’ve heard of a fish out of water, but this is absurd. Thanks to certain, uh…proprietary advancements in magic, we’ve got a genuine Krytan* bass here that’ll follow you wherever you go.”

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/reel-in-a-mini-floppy-fish-today/

The proprietary advancement in magic is enough of an escape mechanism to put me at easy.

But is it really a Bass cuz Southsun calls it a Tuna. :o

Doggie.3184:

But is it really a Bass cuz Southsun calls it a Tuna. :o

It looks more like a Yellow jack, the same kind of fish that you use as bait to catch sharks.

and yes it looks amusing, I probably won’t buy it but my wife is thinking really hard about getting it, lol

Good grief Anet!
Flopping half dead fish mini, before you know it we’ll be kicking chickens…oh wait!

I think I’ll pass as well…

We literally have a severed wurm head that’s perpetually bleeding out and flopping around to follow you, desperately grasping at whatever life it has left…

… and this is what draws the line for some people? Really?? It’s a fantasy game. If magikarp can get over it, so can this fish. I certainly hope people aren’t seriously losing sleep over this…

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The new mini pet, a Krytan Floppy Fish, is a fish out of water. It has a gasping for air animation and flops around on the ground. The question is, should ANet keep this animation or change it to a swimming animation. On one hand it is only pixels. No animals are being harmed. On the other hand, it’s depicting an animal suffocating and dying. As for myself, while I know it’s not real it does give me an “Ick feeling” as I watched it lie there gasping for air, so I would vote for a change in animation. Your thoughts?

Video of new mini pet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPSJQ6h8LnE

It is a Pokemon meme. Magicarp
It will turn into a dragon, (suggestion coming) if player take it with them on their journey and train it and does A, B and C.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The new mini pet, a Krytan Floppy Fish, is a fish out of water. It has a gasping for air animation and flops around on the ground. The question is, should ANet keep this animation or change it to a swimming animation. On one hand it is only pixels. No animals are being harmed. On the other hand, it’s depicting an animal suffocating and dying. As for myself, while I know it’s not real it does give me an “Ick feeling” as I watched it lie there gasping for air, so I would vote for a change in animation. Your thoughts?

Video of new mini pet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPSJQ6h8LnE

I don’t think any alterations will be made to it now. What this thread does, however, is hopefully give Anet an indication of more thought being required before they release stuff like this. Of course, this may not change what ultimately gets released, but perhaps the critical process will be thoroughly examined beforehand.

I personally wouldn’t buy this due to its inherent taste issues.

I might be a sick kitten but I find this mini totally absolutely hillarious. Actually, if I could get a sword (or mace) skin to go with it I’d be really plesased. (Fish slapping dance, anyone? )

And I just don’t see it “desperatly gasping for air in vain” or whatever. They do these mouth-moves in the water as well for breathing.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Mourningcry.9428:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

cadmiumgreen.8712:

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

I thought it was worth a thread to discuss it. And I’m glad you like it. I’m reminded now of an old saying that I heard back in the 60’s.

“Everyone to his own taste,” the old woman said when she kissed her cow.

Wonder how the cow felt about that….

Cows don’t have feelings. They’re animals. O.o

And yet you pity this poor fish. How strange…

When I first saw this pet, it was on Facebook with no sound. I rolled my eyes at the absurdity of it and scrolled on. I don’t think the fish flopping around is the problem. The fact that it’s making “gasping sounds”, as it is described, really seems to be the crux of the issue. Mute the pet, and everything should be fine, right?

Dont you ppl watch or play pokemon?
How come no one complain about the magikarp?
why no one ask to change magikarp animation?

Because pokemon is like 20y old.. 20 years ago ppl knew how to laugh at jokes, now this new generation takes everything serious..
Anet makes a joke, everyone has to find something that is disturbing and complain.

Is not the first time ppl come and complain about things that are funny but they make it look dark and cruel.

like ppl said here this is why we cant have nice things :P
People are just too sensitive nowadays and cant enjoy things

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Mourningcry.9428:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

cadmiumgreen.8712:

I think it’s hilarious, so I guess I have no pity for pixels. I’m sorry you had a negative reaction to it Flesh Wound.

I thought it was worth a thread to discuss it. And I’m glad you like it. I’m reminded now of an old saying that I heard back in the 60’s.

“Everyone to his own taste,” the old woman said when she kissed her cow.

Wonder how the cow felt about that….

Cows don’t have feelings. They’re animals. O.o

/s

You’ve never been around cows have you? Animals do have feelings, not the same as humans, perhaps, but they do have feelings.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Dont you ppl watch or play pokemon?
How come no one complain about the magikarp?
why no one ask to change magikarp animation?

Because pokemon is like 20y old.. 20 years ago ppl knew how to laugh at jokes, now this new generation takes everything serious..
Anet makes a joke, everyone has to find something that is disturbing and complain.

Is not the first time ppl come and complain about things that are funny but they make it look dark and cruel.

like ppl said here this is why we cant have nice things :P
People are just too sensitive nowadays and cant enjoy things

20 years ago I was already too old to be interested in Pokemon and still I don’t find unneccessary animal cruelty and torture funny.

What is the correct age to find dying fishes funny?

Now, I’m not a mini collector, so I wouldn’t buy this item purely because of that. It’s not what I would choose to spend my money/gold on.

This mini, I find hilarious. It’s just my sense of humour though, similar sort of humour line of the Monty Python fish slapping dance. (You can watch that here)
I don’t believe the fish is dying, because it’s a magic fish, as stated in it’s description, it also apparently swims normally in water.

All these comments about finding a dying fish funny is just ridiculous given we slaughter lots and lots of creatures in this game for loot. Very hypocritical imo.

Firm believer of ‘if you don’t like it, ignore it’. you don’t have to buy it.

The fact that the flopping fish mini would disturb some ppl highlights how far we as a species have divorced ourselves from the natural world. And that is alarming but I don’t think changing the mini is a solution. I’d say leave it as is . . .

Gop.8713:

The fact that the flopping fish mini would disturb some ppl highlights how far we as a species have divorced ourselves from the natural world. And that is alarming but I don’t think changing the mini is a solution. I’d say leave it as is . . .

More alarming is that some people seem to find it funny. People knowing and respecting the nature do not laugh at suffering animals.

The thing is the fish is not dying, I mentioned the magikarp because it has the same animation but its not dying.
Its a magic fish in a magic world that’s all.
Stop trying to ruin GW2 please

If the flopping fish didn’t flop, it wouldn’t be a Flopping Fish. It’s a flopping fish, so it flops. Maybe it should sing the Boogie Bass songs?

Ameepa.6793:

Gop.8713:

The fact that the flopping fish mini would disturb some ppl highlights how far we as a species have divorced ourselves from the natural world. And that is alarming but I don’t think changing the mini is a solution. I’d say leave it as is . . .

More alarming is that some people seem to find it funny. People knowing and respecting the nature do not laugh at suffering animals.

Tell that to those dog breeds who have been bred to have skulls that are too small for their brains so that their eyes bulge out “cutely”. They suffer all their lives.

This animated fish, doesn’t.

Rashagar.8349:

Ameepa.6793:

Gop.8713:

The fact that the flopping fish mini would disturb some ppl highlights how far we as a species have divorced ourselves from the natural world. And that is alarming but I don’t think changing the mini is a solution. I’d say leave it as is . . .

More alarming is that some people seem to find it funny. People knowing and respecting the nature do not laugh at suffering animals.

Tell that to those dog breeds who have been bred to have skulls that are too small for their brains so that their eyes bulge out “cutely”. They suffer all their lives.

This animated fish, doesn’t.

Indeed, that kind of sick breeding should have been made illegal ages ago.

For those that are uneasy, but still want (to collect) the pet, it can be used only when underwater – no undesired animations, then. =)

Of course, that requires a bit of extra work, but I’m sure it would be worth it to those concerned about the fish.

Good luck.

If it was identical fish just underwater with the same “dying animation” you wouldn’t mind, right?

This is what Anet spends time on instead of fixing real stuff.

Next pet will be a whale with a harpoon in it, dragging several japanese with it.

Offair.2563:

This is what Anet spends time on instead of fixing real stuff.

Different teams work on gemstore releases and game design/programming…

lets play a game were we run around murdering things,
oh, but that floppy fish hurts our feelz XD

how many tens of thousands of animals did you massacre for the 900 vials of blood which you needed to make your shiny Nevermore staff? XD