Guild Wars 2

Seiniyta.6971:

Dungeon design is one of the best I’ve ever seen in the mmo landscape. They blow the dungeons of Guild Wars 2 out of the water.

That’s the thing I’m looking forward to. Though let’s be honest, blowing the GW2 dungeons away is not difficult at all. A highly limited combat system, an unpolished release and 1.5 years of total negligence make no recipe for success.

CptAurellian.9537:

Seiniyta.6971:

Dungeon design is one of the best I’ve ever seen in the mmo landscape. They blow the dungeons of Guild Wars 2 out of the water.

That’s the thing I’m looking forward to. Though let’s be honest, blowing the GW2 dungeons away is not difficult at all. A highly limited combat system, an unpolished release and 1.5 years of total negligence make no recipe for success.

Yeah, it is hard to understand why people would play GW2 for the dungeons. They are boring and feel all the same, mostly because of the “everyone melee DPS” stacking nature.

Meleeing the stuff is at least still a lot more interactive than pewpewing away at range while being practicallly AFK.

CptAurellian.9537:

Meleeing the stuff is at least still a lot more interactive than pewpewing away at range while being practicallly AFK.

Yeah, I blame all that on the fact that GW2 pretty much has no aggro mechanism of any kind.
If the bosses were any dumber, they would forget breathing and die on their own.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

CptAurellian.9537:

Meleeing the stuff is at least still a lot more interactive than pewpewing away at range while being practicallly AFK.

Yeah, I blame all that on the fact that GW2 pretty much has no aggro mechanism of any kind.
If the bosses were any dumber, they would forget breathing and die on their own.

Though, to be fair, bosses in games that do have aggro mechanisms also tend to come with aggro management, which makes the bosses just as dumb (that is, completely ignoring the people actually doing damage and wiping the minions out, and that guy waving their glowy hands and keeping the guy insulting / shouting obscenities about said bosses mother alive).

Gw2 just needs more and more permanent endgame content(including new pve/pvp options) and more feature packs and it will dominate every current game in the industry. After this point, instead of living story content they have to proceed with feature packs and permanent game-expander content.

Really, you just have to try eso/wildstar after playing gw2 for a long time, their combat system/quests seem so stale to you after gw2. Wildstar also has a cartoonish/childish graphics style which i hate to see in any kind of game.

For GW2 to dominate anything, ANet would need to correct a kittenload of massive design and policy flaws. So far after 20 months, there’s not the slightest indication that they would just be capable of realizing all those flaws.

Some design “flaws” are just flaws from certain player points of view and not flaws with a capital “f”. There are many things people list as flaws that others quite like.

I don’t think Guild Wars 2 was designed to appeal to everyone. I think Anet trying to appeal to everyone has done more damage to the game than anything else.

I always thought that if the endgame was the main focus of the game, why not just tart everyone at max level so they can get straight into the endgame?

I mean, making people go through content which has little value just to get to the ‘good’ bit of the game sounds as logical as writing a novel where the first 30 chapters are extracts from a calculus textbook.

Xae Isareth.1364:

I always thought that if the endgame was the main focus of the game, why not just tart everyone at max level so they can get straight into the endgame?

I mean, making people go through content which has little value just to get to the ‘good’ bit of the game sounds as logical as writing a novel where the first 30 chapters are extracts from a calculus textbook.

That’s why “endgame” shouldn’t exist in games. Splitting the game’s content in two is sad.

I haven’t tried WS so can’t comment, but as some have also tossed ESO into the frey, i can comment on that since i did participate in the last 2 ESO betas.

I used to play a lot TES games, like Morrowind and Oblivion and more for nostalgic reasons than anything else, i was so looking forward to ESO, but was very undecided after they announced their payment model….it seems terribly expensive, full box price + sub + cash shop! omg really! And i didn’t like that a whole race…well at least the look of one…was locked behind a paywall even b4 the game released!

I was excited when i got beta invite so i can finally make a decision one way or the other and i have. Not getting it, not for now anyway.

As much as the world was nice and some really nice quest plots, the game was sooo bugged it was awful. almost every quest was bugged where i couldn’t progress and this worried me greatly being only 2 weeks b4 release (although some pple were saying that we were playing an old build but i’m not sure if that was true or not and if it was, how strange to do that for their last beta)?

Leveling was snail pace. I played a lot during the 2 weekends it took me both
to reach lvl 10! Now i don’t mind slower lvling but that was way too slow for my liking. The UI was awkward, the combat was awkward, the animations ugh. But i will say this, if it was b2p, i wouldn’t think twice buying it, just coz of the great story, interesting plot quests and ofc being able to explore a whole new world.

Anyway, it was a relief to be back in gw2, it was like coming home…..but…. i’m sad. i really need some new zones in gw2. I’m mostly a pve person and love exploring and i’m bored. these days, i just log in for my dailies and log out /sad face. and now with the daily AP limit which i’ll reach with 200 AP more, i’ll have no reason to log into gw2, unless they open up Tyria and i may well move onto other pastures, regardless whether they’re greener or not.

Edit: typing error

Tiger Ashante.1792:

I haven’t tried WS so can’t comment, but as some have also tossed ESO into the frey, i can comment on that since i did participate in the last 2 ESO betas.

I used to play a lot TES games, like Morrowind and Oblivion and more for nostalgic reasons than anything else, i was so looking forward to ESO, but was very undecided after they announced their payment model….it seems terribly expensive, full box price + sub + cash shop! omg really! And i didn’t like that a whole race…well at least the look of one…was locked behind a paywall even b4 the game released!

I was excited when i got beta invite so i can finally make a decision one way or the other and i have. Not getting it, not for now anyway.

As much as the world was nice and some really nice quest plots, the game was sooo bugged it was awful. almost every quest was bugged where i couldn’t progress and this worried me greatly being only 2 weeks b4 release (although some pple were saying that we were playing an old build but i’m not sure if that was true or not and if it was, how strange to do that for their last beta)?

Leveling was snail pace. I played a lot during the 2 weekends it took me both
to reach lvl 10! Now i don’t mind slower lvling but that was way too slow for my liking. The UI was awkward, the combat was awkward, the animations ugh. But i will say this, if it was b2p, i wouldn’t think twice buying it, just coz of the great story, interesting plot quests and ofc being able to explore a whole new world.

Anyway, it was a relief to be back in gw2, it was like coming home…..but…. i’m sad. i really need some new zones in gw2. I’m mostly a pve person and love exploring and i’m bored. these days, i just log in for my dailies and log out /sad face. and now with the daily AP limit which i’ll reach with 200 AP more, i’ll have no reason to log into gw2, unless they open up Tyria and i may well move onto other pastures, regardless whether they’re greener or not.

Edit: typing error

Give TESO about 6 months and it will be F2P, they are in cash grab mode and will be milking the subs as long as possible, soon as subs drop below a certain level they will be F2P, I cannot find the article but that is there business plan.

Nice to see people STILL judge games by their art style and/or graphics.

/s

Wetpaw.3487:

But what I have gathered in game (I have asked in game), most players rather play dress up barbie and look good w/flashy particles and animations than competitive combat. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

If all you want is combat then there’s online games for just that.
Large scale 21st century or futuristic war? Planetside 2 and Battlefield
Medieval combat? Mount and Blade series and Chivalry.

I don’t think that any people enter MMOs for their combat. After all MMOs combat has been behind single player and combat specific games, because MMOs are not meant to be combat simulators.

Kratos.6293:

Are you being sarcastic ? What did GW2 bring to the mmo industry ? Zergs pvp zerg pve and more zergs, zerker meta, lame storyline(traherne), repetitive combat, boring dungeons ( stacking,etc), hearts are not fun, unbalanced classes. Shall i go on ?

New forms of combat (after the Industry was completely stagnant for so long), the demolishing of trinity, less grind, personal nodes, personal story, everyone gets loot from killing an enemy together (even though WoW has adapted that model for their timeless isle).

And everything that you said is subjective. Hearts are not fun to you, yet for me it’s infinitely better than being sent to kill 50 mobs by a quest giver. And I don’t think that there’s a single MMO out there with perfect class balance.

Cotheer.2806:

Nice to see people STILL judge games by their art style and/or graphics.

/s

Well if the art style is unacceptable for a person, I doubt that they could get into a game anyway. I’m not that fussed about graphics (after all one of my favorite games is atom zombie smasher and that’s entirely make out of small 2D squares), however even I have my preferences and needs.
Needs:
- I can’t play a game bellow a certain FoV. I get too dizzy and nauseous to be able to.
Wants:
- I love a cuter graphics style and can’t stand bleak looking games. Doesn’t mean that I can’t play realistic looking games (for example I really like Crysis 1), however when it comes to games like Elder Scrolls Online the bleakness of it completely puts me off.

Seiniyta.6971:

Dungeon design is one of the best I’ve ever seen in the mmo landscape. They blow the dungeons of Guild Wars 2 out of the water.

The game is rather bland up till 20ish. A bit too easy with a limited skillset due to your low level. At level 20 difficulty off all content starts ramping up. Attack patterns off mobs become more complex and some will hit extremely hard. So in a lot of cases you really need to “outplay” the mob to survive.

And at 20 you get acces to dungeons. Wildstar dungeons are without a doubt the best 5 man dungeons ive played so far. Youtube videos or streams dont do it justice at all. If you like to do 5 mans, this game is a must have.

Probs the best Wildstar review to date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twa4hE1I8Hc. Watch the entire thing.

I’ve tried too many MMOs already. From the upmost popular like WoW, through some obscure like Rohan Online, high expectations failures like SWTOR or WAR. WS seems to be just one of them, like the ESO.

The ones that caught my attention for a longer period are only two titles – Ultima Online (hey there Mytharia shard-folk! anyone here?) and GW2 (did not play 1).

Flytrap.8075:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Really? I’ve had the exact opposite experience. Never have I seen a game rip you off more than GW2. I mean $100 a month on average to access all the games content… I’d gladly pay a pitiful $15 a month for the same privilege with the added bonus of the devs not purposefully designing inconveniences into the game to sell you stuff.

I’m more inclined to agree with your post.

For a game that has a “cosmetic end-game”, it’s pretty lame that it revolves around the Gem Store. Essentially all of the new weapon and armor skins are locked behind a gem purchase, and the drop rate on Silver Transmutation Stones is so low that you’re often forced to buy or convert gems in order to update your appearance.

I get that they need to make money somehow and that this game is not a charity, but I still feel as if the focus on the Gem Store is far too strong.

The Gem store isnt required though and you can use your in game gold to buy the cosmetic things you want

that’s a fair compromise imo
and its not like they don’t give you free Gems as a reward for hitting a 5k achievement point benchmark either

Granted I agree that a little less Gem store focus would be nice but I would much rather contribute to an optional Gemstore than be forced to pay a monthly fee for a game I bought for over £100
why?

because at least Gw2 doesnt make me feel forced to play it once I’ve paid my monthly subscription
nor does GW2 essentially perma ban me unless I give them money either once my subscription runs out

with Gw2 I can play it anytime, anywhere and I never have to spend a single penny on it once I’ve payed for the game if I don’t want to

with other MMOs its give us money or you cant play anymore and I do not approve of this model
specially when financially the world is a mess right now and in an unfortunate situation say loosing a job or having your income cut is bad enough without having your favorite game come along and say oh you can’t afford to pay your subscription this month? oh well sucks to be you give us a call when you become worthy to play me again…

GW2 takes peoples financial situation into account
its a game for everyone no matter what situation they are in
and its better for the community as well

I’ve got friend in warcraft who always used to complain about a planned Raid getting cancelled because 2 of their best party members got fired and couldn’t play until they found another job
or someones Pc broke down and they had to put money away for a new part thus having to cancel Wow Subscription for a few weeks to do that
granted these are uncommon but they cannot happen with gw2

sub fees are just a user unfriendly model and Gw2 proves that there are alternatives that work
and they work well too

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

If you owned a product and had a website associated with it would you leave good publicity for your competition on it? It’s not a double standard, it’s business.

I haven’t tried Wildstar but I have played ESO. While I prefer the art style, terrain design, customizable UI and character progression of ESO the controls gameplay of GW2 are just too good to even compare (speaking of PvP, WvW). I won’’t be moving on any time soon.

Julie Yann.5379:

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

If you owned a product and had a website associated with it would you leave good publicity for your competition on it? It’s not a double standard, it’s business.

I haven’t tried Wildstar but I have played ESO. While I prefer the art style, terrain design, customizable UI and character progression of ESO the controls gameplay of GW2 are just too good to even compare (speaking of PvP, WvW). I won’’t be moving on any time soon.

Thread saying random game is better → closed because off-topic.

Thread saying random game is worse → left open because ???

Text book double standard.

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

Your house, your rules.

If someone came into my house and started saying that my wife’s cooking sucked and their wife’s cooking was so much better, I’d probably ask them to leave (whether or not it was true). If they said that my wife’s cooking was good, I’d have no reason to ask them to leave, because they’re not being impolite.

On a game forum, talking about another game that’s a competitor in positive terms, ie trying to sell it, is just plain rude.

Talking about the game the forum is dedicated to isn’t.

Ettiquette isn’t a double standard. It’s just something a lot of people seem to have forgotten.

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

I would hardly classify this post as Pro-GW2… you have about 40% of the people on here who proclaim GW2 as the second coming even though they’ve never played Wildstar, about 30% of the people saying they played wildstar and it was a good game but they don’t like the sub model, and 30% saying that wildstar crushes GW2 in every way.

I know personally I really enjoyed wildstar even in the lower levels. But holy crap, I hit level 20 last night and the first dungeon was SPECTACULAR. It was by far the best 5-man content I have ever played in an MMO and it was only the first dungeon. It was challenging, rewarding, well designed, positioning was actually important, you needed actual skill and gear.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

I would hardly classify this post as Pro-GW2… you have about 40% of the people on here who proclaim GW2 as the second coming even though they’ve never played Wildstar, about 30% of the people saying they played wildstar and it was a good game but they don’t like the sub model, and 30% saying that wildstar crushes GW2 in every way.

I know personally I really enjoyed wildstar even in the lower levels. But holy crap, I hit level 20 last night and the first dungeon was SPECTACULAR. It was by far the best 5-man content I have ever played in an MMO and it was only the first dungeon. It was challenging, rewarding, well designed, positioning was actually important, you needed actual skill and gear.

GW 2 dungeons were considered hard at launch too. Some were nerfed quite serverely. If you think the dungeons in WS are going to stay hard, you’d be wrong.

People will complain and leave the game and in an attempt to keep them there, the devs there will do what the devs do in pretty much all games with hard content.

Because those guys that really want the hard content are actually a pretty small percentage of the player base.

Guild Wars 2 still is a Superior quality MMO despite all that was said and done. However there is several reason ill likely play ESO for a while and they are

1. i finished the game with all class (80 and geared)
2. got a craft to 500
3. got a high level in fractals (more then i ever hoped for)
4. tried the stronguest build and played them (aka most meta)
5. Finished prety much everything Worth doing in this game and since there is no actual new permanant content Worth myself dedicating to i need to keep myself busy with something interesting

for all those reason ill likely go to a downgraded quality MMO as you call it and play it so to do something ’’NEW’’ Scarlet was in no way something as great or interesting as in an expension and i didnt actualy bother to spend time doing her storyline. Since april doesnt seems to bring anything interesting ill be just leaving for a while and play something new until GW2 itself has something new as well. Its not a question of game quality its just that like everyone i like doing something ’’new’’.

kyubi.3620:

for all those reason ill likely go to a downgraded quality MMO as you call it and play it so to do something ’’NEW’’ Scarlet was in no way something as great or interesting as in an expension and i didnt actualy bother to spend time doing her storyline. Since april doesnt seems to bring anything interesting ill be just leaving for a while and play something new until GW2 itself has something new as well. Its not a question of game quality its just that like everyone i like doing something ’’new’’.

I actually think that that is the point of GW2. You can leave it for a while, because it’s casual and you don’t have to pay a sub fee and then come back once something interesting has been done.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: if a trivial $15 monthly fee is breaking your bank, then you need to shift your priorities away from gaming.

Well why rent a product instead of just buying it? No matter how low or high the sub fee is, it will add up. For example you can’t rent 5 games without it getting really expensive. You can own 5 games though. I am “renting” world of warcraft from time to time. I’m extremely unlikely to rent something else when I’m already paying for that.

nGumball.1283:

Dark Catalyst.1028:

nGumball.1283:

GW2 is a superior game to almost every MMO in the western industry atm and Wildstar/ESO are both average ones. People would like WS/ESO for a fresh experience however neither bring anything major to the industry.

Is this sarcasm?

No, these are facts

6 days and nobody wants to ask him what the facts are? Nobody want to tell him it’s his opinion and there is NOTHING factual about it? No?

Mirta.5029:

Well why rent a product instead of just buying it? No matter how low or high the sub fee is, it will add up. For example you can’t rent 5 games without it getting really expensive. You can own 5 games though. I am “renting” world of warcraft from time to time. I’m extremely unlikely to rent something else when I’m already paying for that.

I’m not renting a product, rather, I’m paying for a service. The same exact service everyone else pays for which means everyone has access to everything the game offers. I like not having to pay real money for basics like bank and bag slots. If I like mini pets I can go out and get them. Same with a certain look. Same with mounts. All of this without bring funneled into a cash shop. Alts don’t cost me money either.

Very, very few people are going to sub to 5 MMOs at the same time. I was at one time subbed to both WoW and EVE Online and still didn’t like splitting my time even though they are very different games.

Nage.1520:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

I would hardly classify this post as Pro-GW2… you have about 40% of the people on here who proclaim GW2 as the second coming even though they’ve never played Wildstar, about 30% of the people saying they played wildstar and it was a good game but they don’t like the sub model, and 30% saying that wildstar crushes GW2 in every way.

I know personally I really enjoyed wildstar even in the lower levels. But holy crap, I hit level 20 last night and the first dungeon was SPECTACULAR. It was by far the best 5-man content I have ever played in an MMO and it was only the first dungeon. It was challenging, rewarding, well designed, positioning was actually important, you needed actual skill and gear.

GW 2 dungeons were considered hard at launch too. Some were nerfed quite serverely. If you think the dungeons in WS are going to stay hard, you’d be wrong.

People will complain and leave the game and in an attempt to keep them there, the devs there will do what the devs do in pretty much all games with hard content.

Because those guys that really want the hard content are actually a pretty small percentage of the player base.

Unlikely… the entire game of wildstar is built around the fact of a challenge not present in the current MMO landscape, it is specifically trying to draw in skilled players and not casual bads.

In GW2 nerfs were inevitable, the game is more casual than hello kitty online. The entire premise of the game is that you can get rewards for just hitting a single button. Wildstar is aimed at a different audience. Will it be a smaller audience? most likely, but that is what they were aiming for.

CptAurellian.9537:

Seiniyta.6971:

Dungeon design is one of the best I’ve ever seen in the mmo landscape. They blow the dungeons of Guild Wars 2 out of the water.

That’s the thing I’m looking forward to. Though let’s be honest, blowing the GW2 dungeons away is not difficult at all. A highly limited combat system, an unpolished release and 1.5 years of total negligence make no recipe for success.

I really don’t think it does.

I tend to feel GW2’s dungeons are very different to other MMOs. You have a lot of things besides kill trash – kill boss – kill more trash – kill final boss. The trap-playing bit of AC2 is some if the most fun I had in MMOs.

On the overall topic.

I personally think WS’s combat is just horrible. Its awkward and inefficient, and frankly, I still tabbed to aim faster anyways so it felt the same as other MMOs. I don’t really see why they hate the crosshair so much: it’s efficient, it’s intuitive, and most importantly it’s precise.

But I don’t think GW2 and WS are very comparable because they just are very different games. I compared WS to TSW, and other than optimisation issues, I just found TSW to be a superior game on every front.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Nage.1520:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Flytrap.8075:

Why is this thread still open?

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again: if this thread was proclaiming the superiority of Wildstar over Guild Wars 2, this thread would be closed in a heartbeat. However, because it’s in favor of GW2, the mods have allowed it to stay open.

This thread is off-topic. Close it. Double standards OP.

I would hardly classify this post as Pro-GW2… you have about 40% of the people on here who proclaim GW2 as the second coming even though they’ve never played Wildstar, about 30% of the people saying they played wildstar and it was a good game but they don’t like the sub model, and 30% saying that wildstar crushes GW2 in every way.

I know personally I really enjoyed wildstar even in the lower levels. But holy crap, I hit level 20 last night and the first dungeon was SPECTACULAR. It was by far the best 5-man content I have ever played in an MMO and it was only the first dungeon. It was challenging, rewarding, well designed, positioning was actually important, you needed actual skill and gear.

GW 2 dungeons were considered hard at launch too. Some were nerfed quite serverely. If you think the dungeons in WS are going to stay hard, you’d be wrong.

People will complain and leave the game and in an attempt to keep them there, the devs there will do what the devs do in pretty much all games with hard content.

Because those guys that really want the hard content are actually a pretty small percentage of the player base.

Unlikely… the entire game of wildstar is built around the fact of a challenge not present in the current MMO landscape, it is specifically trying to draw in skilled players and not casual bads.

In GW2 nerfs were inevitable, the game is more casual than hello kitty online. The entire premise of the game is that you can get rewards for just hitting a single button. Wildstar is aimed at a different audience. Will it be a smaller audience? most likely, but that is what they were aiming for.

First of all, I really don’t think WS was aiming at a niche audience. I don’t think NCSoft even supports a game aimed at a niche audience.

Have you ever tried doing AC any path properly. IE, not exploiting any AI?

Dark Catalyst.1028:

I’m not renting a product, rather, I’m paying for a service. The same exact service everyone else pays for which means everyone has access to everything the game offers. I like not having to pay real money for basics like bank and bag slots. If I like mini pets I can go out and get them. Same with a certain look. Same with mounts. All of this without bring funneled into a cash shop. Alts don’t cost me money either.

Let’s see:
1. You’re renting the game. You already bought it, you bought the expansion for it, that should be enough of paying. I rather have the opportunity to pay for something optionally (like a new musical instrument on the gem store), than to be forced to pay that price and get nothing else, except for the right to play the game which I already bought for another 30 days.
2. Mounts are on the store. The same way that some skins in Guild Wars 2 are on the store. One difference – there’s no in-game currency to store currency exchange in games like Warcraft. Same with pets.
3. A lot of services are for sale. Race change, faction change, server change (is even charged per character this one) and of course you can buy a max level if you wish to pay 50 Euros.
4. Well alts don’t cost in here either. You can have 5 characters. If you want more, you can pay, while Warcraft hard-capped the amount of alts you can have and you can not exceed the cap.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Very, very few people are going to sub to 5 MMOs at the same time. I was at one time subbed to both WoW and EVE Online and still didn’t like splitting my time even though they are very different games.

That’s exactly my point. If you’re already subscribed to one, you’re unlikely to try out a different one, meaning that the sub market is somewhere where it is so much harder to compete. At the moment I enjoy playing and follow news about 4 MMOs:
World of Warcraft (the only one with a sub)
Guild Wars 2
Tera
Startrek Online.
Because it’s impossible to never grow tired of a product I tend to play one for a bit and then rotate.

Got a Curse BETA invite for Wildstar, went in the WASTEBASKET.

Flytrap.8075:

Thread saying random game is better -> closed because off-topic.

Thread saying random game is worse -> left open because ???

Text book double standard.

Perhaps there’s a different reason. If people are going to leave GW2 for a sub-based, gear progression based, trinity game anyway, perhaps NCSoft prefer it to be one of theirs.