Or you people are the vocal minority and the rest of the players really wants dueling.
The number of people crying to not add dueling vs. people wanting to duel does not matter.
Correct. What matters is people who want to duel can go to PVP and duel. There’s no need to add another feature when the neccessary framework is already there.
Duel servers exist for me to grief there!
You admit griefing in closed PvP arenas but somehow you would not grief in open world PvE areas. Makes sense.
Who said I would not try to grief there? ANet should design it so I can’t.
Now I feel really good about some of the examples I pointed out against PvE dueling in this thread, you embody it.
I embody the state of duel servers. Duel servers allow me to grief there by design, so I grief there. Dueling, if done correctly, wouldn’t allow me to grief there by design.
It will be a lesson for ANet to do it correctly so I can’t grief there.
Why are you guys even talking about griefing and dueling in the same sentence?
griefing refers to open world PvP where you are both flagged for PvP by design, where one person kills you repeated over and over.
You guys really have no idea what you are talking about lol.
Who me?
I can grief in duel servers where people want to duel each other without outside interruption. I can be the outside interruption with no problem. So yes, they can be in the same sentence.
If you mean, Dueling as a feature. I agree with you.
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Or you people are the vocal minority and the rest of the players really wants dueling.
The number of people crying to not add dueling vs. people wanting to duel does not matter.
Correct. What matters is people who want to duel can go to PVP and duel. There’s no need to add another feature when the neccessary framework is already there.
Duel servers exist for me to grief there!
You admit griefing in closed PvP arenas but somehow you would not grief in open world PvE areas. Makes sense.
Who said I would not try to grief there? ANet should design it so I can’t.
Now I feel really good about some of the examples I pointed out against PvE dueling in this thread, you embody it.
I embody the state of duel servers. Duel servers allow me to grief there by design, so I grief there. Dueling, if done correctly, wouldn’t allow me to grief there by design.
It will be a lesson for ANet to do it correctly so I can’t grief there.
Why are you guys even talking about griefing and dueling in the same sentence?
griefing refers to open world PvP where you are both flagged for PvP by design, where one person kills you repeated over and over.
You guys really have no idea what you are talking about lol.
Narrow sighted, much? Griefing refers to the following actually:
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways. A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.
You dont need to kill someone repeatedly to grief my good man. But you can however, grief someone by taunting him/her in an unfavorable duel. You can grief ongoing matches but jumping in and laying down stealth on one of the contestents, you can grief them by luring aggro from the surrounding or whatnot.. just use your creativity, I am sure you can come up with better ideas.
IDK people on both sides are going to fight just like in this thread, best solution and oldest one is just to have PvP realms.
Players who want openworld / duel PvP can have their own server, and players who just want to PvE and see PvP as a minigame to be joined from SPvP or WvWvW have their own.
How about no?
Dueling will never be a problem. It is that the anti-dueling is driven by ignorance.
Possibly, a compromise is always better than nothing.
I also think a lot of people in this thread think dueling means Open world cutthroat PvP, which is were the ignorance part is coming from.
So completely wrong facts should be considered at all in a compromise?
Or you people are the vocal minority and the rest of the players really wants dueling.
The number of people crying to not add dueling vs. people wanting to duel does not matter.
Correct. What matters is people who want to duel can go to PVP and duel. There’s no need to add another feature when the neccessary framework is already there.
Duel servers exist for me to grief there!
You admit griefing in closed PvP arenas but somehow you would not grief in open world PvE areas. Makes sense.
Who said I would not try to grief there? ANet should design it so I can’t.
Now I feel really good about some of the examples I pointed out against PvE dueling in this thread, you embody it.
I embody the state of duel servers. Duel servers allow me to grief there by design, so I grief there. Dueling, if done correctly, wouldn’t allow me to grief there by design.
It will be a lesson for ANet to do it correctly so I can’t grief there.
Why are you guys even talking about griefing and dueling in the same sentence?
griefing refers to open world PvP where you are both flagged for PvP by design, where one person kills you repeated over and over.
You guys really have no idea what you are talking about lol.
Narrow sighted, much? Griefing refers to the following actually:
A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game who deliberately irritates and harasses other players within the game, using aspects of the game in unintended ways. A griefer derives pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of annoying other users, and as such is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.
You dont need to kill someone repeatedly to grief my good man. But you can however, grief someone by taunting him/her in an unfavorable duel. You can grief ongoing matches but jumping in and laying down stealth on one of the contestents, you can grief them by luring aggro from the surrounding or whatnot.. just use your creativity, I am sure you can come up with better ideas.
You can report someone for verbal harassment. You can’t report someone for using the design flaw to grief.
I don’t see why anyone would be against duelling as long as it’s done like in WoW:
“XXX challenges you to a duel” => “Accept or decline”. And while fighting you stay unattackable by other players, but also not friendly so no buffs can be applied to you.
You choose your location, (out of mob ranges).
I mean, how great is it to have some friendly duels while waiting for a world boss to spawn for example. (Where you btw can’t leave if it’s an organized attempt against e.g. wurm).
It’s also a great learning tool and a gateway to PvP for people that feel intimidated by sPvP.
Another reason is for ‘fight club’ style events. In PvP you need to find an empty server, and as soon as 7+ people are in it, other people will be joining expecting a normal game.
And for big events the server will just be full.
Duelling is fun, and it adds great ways for fighting without consequences.
edit: added 2 sentences.
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I’m not a fan of duelling.
But, anet could have it as an option.(as in, in options. “allow dueling: tick for yes, empty for no.”
They could also make it so you can’t ask anyone to duel who is more than 5 levels below your level. (to prevent downscaled hassling others, )however those others could still ask a downscale to a duel, so if friends and whatnot want to duel despite the different level, they could.
But all in all, I don’t see the need of adding a duel option in PvE, there is a PvP option, go PvP. And leave the environment out of it.
In the end it’ll only end up as an instance anyway. heck buy the gemstore custom pvp arena, and off you go.
But all in all, I don’t see the need of adding a duel option in PvE, there is a PvP option, go PvP. And leave the environment out of it.
In the end it’ll only end up as an instance anyway. heck buy the gemstore custom pvp arena, and off you go.
Doing so much effort for a simple duel makes it all very serious though, the main reason I want duelling is to have something fun to do while waiting on PvE things.
And I sure as hell don’t want to spend money for a couple of duels.
I don’t like dueling in THIS game.
Dueling is fun when you have open world and not maps and portals.
Dueling is fun when the PvE skills and PvP skills are the same. (as you should know some stuff is tweaked differently for pvp and pve in this game)
Dueling is fun when there’s powercreep.
If Anet gave us an option to auto reject dueling invites and if before a duel starts the players were moved to an empty overflow map then that’s ok. In this game I want my PvE world to be PvE, I don’t want to see people with an IQ lower than 50 spamming map chat and the forums with cries and complaints.
If it doesn’t happen that way then, I don’t want dueling in this game, and I state it, just like everyone else, and I don’t need no give you reasons why (even though I did). You and other people want dueling and asked for it and you’re not obliged to give reasons why. There’s absolutely no need to bash people and be an kitten .
If Anet gave us an option to auto reject dueling invites and if before a duel starts the players were moved to an empty overflow map then that’s ok. In this game I want my PvE world to be PvE, I don’t want to see people with an IQ lower than 50 spamming map chat and the forums with cries and complaints.
If it doesn’t happen that way then, I don’t want dueling in this game, and I state it, just like everyone else, and I don’t need no give you reasons why (even though I did). You and other people want dueling and asked for it and you’re not obliged to give reasons why. There’s absolutely no need to bash people and be an kitten .
1 Auto reject dueling invites is a standard feature.
2 It makes no sense to put duelers in an overflow map.
3. People already go to the forums with cries and complaints, yet there is still no dueling. So it’ll happen anyways.
3b. You don’t see bots spamming gold selling over and over. Yet there is no dueling. So spamming won’t happen.
3c. Your statement that people will spam chat and cry is rude and condescending. You completely lose your stand.
I don’t mind there is duel as long as
1) it is auto reject
and
2) it is not in any form of PvE map
and
3) on/off toggle to watch other players duel (i will always toggle off in my case)
and
4) auto gear balance (or say switch to PvP gear but keep the skin)
So it says.
WvW is the only place i am okay to have duel function
I don’t mind there is duel as long as
1) it is auto reject
and
2) it is not in any form of PvE map
and
3) on/off toggle to watch other players duel (i will always toggle off in my case)
and
4) auto gear balance (or say switch to PvP gear but keep the skin)
So it says.
WvW is the only place i am okay to have duel function
1. Sure.
2. Why not?
3. Why?
4. Why?
5. Why?
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What do you mean, “Still no dueling”? There is plenty of dueling here, and it’s right where it belongs, in an sPvP room or in WvW. Please get your jollies there and leave PvE as it is.
What do you mean, “Still no dueling”? There is plenty of dueling here, and it’s right where it belongs, in an sPvP room or in WvW. Please get your jollies there and leave PvE as it is.
Dueling Servers exist for me to grief in!
What do you mean, “Still no dueling”? There is plenty of dueling here, and it’s right where it belongs, in an sPvP room or in WvW. Please get your jollies there and leave PvE as it is.
Dueling Servers exist for me to grief in!
dude, you keep saying that
It is not helping your case at all
dude, you keep saying that
It is not helping your case at all
Has dueling been implemented in PvE? No? I guess my comments are helping my case.
Btw, the use of the word “carebear” is also helping my case. It shows exactly the attitude that non-duelers would have to deal with in PvE, if Anet were to develop that.
The toxic environment would break this game for a lot of PvE players. The constant “duel me, dude” and “what are you afraid of…” and after I mute you, your guild gets in on it, “c’mon dude, duel him. duel me too” and “what, are ya to chicken to fight?” and “f’ing carebears everywhere here…”
I’ve seen it in too many other MMO’s and it was part of the reason why I came here. I love dueling in WvW, but I don’t ever want to see it in PvE.
dude, you keep saying that
It is not helping your case at allHas dueling been implemented in PvE? No? I guess my comments are helping my case.
Btw, the use of the word “carebear” is also helping my case. It shows exactly the attitude that non-duelers would have to deal with in PvE, if Anet were to develop that.
The toxic environment would break this game for a lot of PvE players. The constant “duel me, dude” and “what are you afraid of…” and after I mute you, your guild gets in on it, “c’mon dude, duel him. duel me too” and “what, are ya to chicken to fight?” and “kitten carebears everywhere here…”
I’ve seen it in too many other MMO’s and it was part of the reason why I came here. I love dueling in WvW, but I don’t ever want to see it in PvE.
She was quoting and directing the comments toward Runeblade.
What do you mean, “Still no dueling”? There is plenty of dueling here, and it’s right where it belongs, in an sPvP room or in WvW. Please get your jollies there and leave PvE as it is.
Dueling Servers exist for me to grief in!
dude, you keep saying that
It is not helping your case at all
Then you are ignorant to why duel servers do not work at all.
It does not work because I can enter a duel room and disrupt their duel by killing the enemy. There is no system that keeps me out of it unless they pay a lot of gems. There is no other viable alternatives that stops me from disrupting duels.
I want open world dueling and i hope we see it in game,there is no real reason not to have it
dude, you keep saying that
It is not helping your case at allHas dueling been implemented in PvE? No? I guess my comments are helping my case.
Btw, the use of the word “carebear” is also helping my case. It shows exactly the attitude that non-duelers would have to deal with in PvE, if Anet were to develop that.
The toxic environment would break this game for a lot of PvE players. The constant “duel me, dude” and “what are you afraid of…” and after I mute you, your guild gets in on it, “c’mon dude, duel him. duel me too” and “what, are ya to chicken to fight?” and “kitten carebears everywhere here…”
I’ve seen it in too many other MMO’s and it was part of the reason why I came here. I love dueling in WvW, but I don’t ever want to see it in PvE.
Don’t worry I agree with you
I never want to see dueling in pvE
I was referring to Runeblade’s repeated posts about griefing other players
I don’t mind there is duel as long as
1) it is auto reject
and
2) it is not in any form of PvE map
and
3) on/off toggle to watch other players duel (i will always toggle off in my case)
and
4) auto gear balance (or say switch to PvP gear but keep the skin)
So it says.
WvW is the only place i am okay to have duel function
1. Sure.
2. Why not?
3. Why?
4. Why?
5. Why?
2) I experienced in other game with duel, some stupid kid keep jumping in front of me, asking for a duel, i refused and he kept trolling around. This is totally unacceptable. I just want to play my game peacefully.
Think about it, if open world got duel, even we have auto reject, people can type, they can do all kind of stuff to annoy someone when they rejected the duel request.
3) I don’t want being interrupted when i am playing, so i rather not seeing someone dueling, but maybe someone don’t mind to watch, so toggle.
4) People cannot tell whether it is gear differences or skill issue for the lose. But mostly result in claiming their class sucks. There will create even more fake class balance issues.
5) WvW on the other hand, people will be busy fighting other world outside of city/keep, so nobody will duel outside of the city, and inside city, people will rarely stay for too long so couple guy duel there is fine.
All in all, you got your reason to have duel, and i got my right to be free from trollings from players who wants to duel.
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Perhaps the easiest solution for duels would be sPVP servers (the default ones, not custom arenas) that have a 2 person limit.
2) I experienced in other game with duel, some stupid kid keep jumping in front of me, asking for a duel, i refused and he kept trolling around. This is totally unacceptable. I just want to play my game peacefully.
Think about it, if open world got duel, even we have auto reject, people can type, they can do all kind of stuff to annoy someone when they rejected the duel request.
3) I don’t want being interrupted when i am playing, so i rather not seeing someone dueling, but maybe someone don’t mind to watch, so toggle.
4) People cannot tell whether it is gear differences or skill issue for the lose. But mostly result in claiming their class sucks. There will create even more fake class balance issues.
5) WvW on the other hand, people will be busy fighting other world outside of city/keep, so nobody will duel outside of the city, and inside city, people will rarely stay for too long so couple guy duel there is fine.
All in all, you got your reason to have duel, and i got my right to be free from trollings from players who wants to duel.
2) I experienced a stupid kid in GW2 that keeps begging me to give them gold. Should ANet remove gold, or should I block him and report him for harassment? There is your answer to your dueling problem.
3. I don’t see how dueling will interrupt you. Their attacks should do 0 damage to bystanders. If they are dueling while in a Dynamic Event, the only way to affect DE difficulty is when they damage the mobs in a certain amount. So even if they are accidentally attacking mobs, they are stilling helping you in your dynamic event. It is an anti-griefing tool for people that afk in a dynamic event.
4. It already happened and will happen again, whether or not if there is dueling.
5. Those people take up WvW queue. It is very disrupting to push dueling in WvW only. As oppose to PvE world where they have overflows.
I want legit reasons that will make me appalled enough to stop me from posting, not repeated stuff.
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I just wish they’d create a PvP/dueling server to test the water. But what’s funny is that people act like they’ll be forced onto that server and just shout it down from on top of their horse.
It doesn’t make any sense to me, how people can be so adamantly against something that doesn’t oblige their involvement whatsoever, such as a new dueling server.
I want legit reasons that will make me appalled enough to stop me from posting, not repeated stuff.
Is not enough for you to spam nonsense in this thread ? :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-there-STILL-no-dueling/page/2#post3807339
If the developers think its a good idea to create duel arenas in places like LA based on the players need then they will do it, but your spam doesn’t help your cause.
I’m quite sure Anet will never create a pvp/duel server just for 5 people, and they wont even make duelling possible outside controlled enviroment such as arenas.
For the time being you can keep trolling/griefing in OS/sPvP showing to the entire world how awesome and skilled you are…
I want legit reasons that will make me appalled enough to stop me from posting, not repeated stuff.
Is not enough for you to spam nonsense in this thread ? :
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Why-is-there-STILL-no-dueling/page/2#post3807339If the developers think its a good idea to create duel arenas in places like LA based on the players need then they will do it, but your spam doesn’t help your cause.
I’m quite sure Anet will never create a pvp/duel server just for 5 people, and they wont even make duelling possible outside controlled enviroment such as arenas.
For the time being you can keep trolling/griefing in OS/sPvP showing to the entire world how awesome and skilled you are…
I don’t see why you have to be against dueling so much, I think it is nonsense to be against it. You didn’t even list any false predictions for me to shoot down.
Can you please actually try to shoot down my counterpoints if you think that they are nonsense?
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It bothers me that a bunch of boring minorities don’t want dueling in this good looking world A-net has made and refuses to implement incentive to explore. You don’t know how many times in other MMO’s people have gone to specific locations just to duel someone in a scenic area.
And also to the people saying “It will bother me when Im in town TP’ing or in a bank”. Why are you dumb enough to assume that a-net won’t make those zones Un-duelable in? And if you cop out and say “Well they will constantly message me to duel” they can do that anyways with the crappy Spvp dueling system, you’re not going to be asked any more or less…
If Anet gave us an option to auto reject dueling invites and if before a duel starts the players were moved to an empty overflow map then that’s ok. In this game I want my PvE world to be PvE, I don’t want to see people with an IQ lower than 50 spamming map chat and the forums with cries and complaints.
If it doesn’t happen that way then, I don’t want dueling in this game, and I state it, just like everyone else, and I don’t need no give you reasons why (even though I did). You and other people want dueling and asked for it and you’re not obliged to give reasons why. There’s absolutely no need to bash people and be an kitten .1 Auto reject dueling invites is a standard feature.
2 It makes no sense to put duelers in an overflow map.
3. People already go to the forums with cries and complaints, yet there is still no dueling. So it’ll happen anyways.
3b. You don’t see bots spamming gold selling over and over. Yet there is no dueling. So spamming won’t happen.
3c. Your statement that people will spam chat and cry is rude and condescending. You completely lose your stand.
1. Ok.
2. It makes sense because I don’t consider dueling part of GW1 or 2 lore, as such I don’t want to see people dueling in my game. If you want to duel do it on your overflow map. (or implement the toggle the guy above me was talking about)
3. People complain of the forums all the time, which is why it would be bad to give further reason for people to complain and have the already toxic forum submerged even more.
3.b Bot’s don’t spam because the are taken care of. What I consider spam is, nolifer kid asks to duel, second person doesn’t want to. Kid proceeds to call him names, follow him around spam map chat etc etc.
3.c I can’t believe you actually deleted your previous comment that I accused you for being rude and condescending, so you can actually get back at me with it. (Luckily I took a screenshot and mailed it support and reported you, so you’ll at least get an infraction point for it). Your behavior talks a lot about you. And I’m not going to waste my time with you. Also since I already stated my point of view on this subject I’ll also refrain from contributing considering you refuse to understand and continue the conversation in a civil manor.
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If Anet gave us an option to auto reject dueling invites and if before a duel starts the players were moved to an empty overflow map then that’s ok. In this game I want my PvE world to be PvE, I don’t want to see people with an IQ lower than 50 spamming map chat and the forums with cries and complaints.
If it doesn’t happen that way then, I don’t want dueling in this game, and I state it, just like everyone else, and I don’t need no give you reasons why (even though I did). You and other people want dueling and asked for it and you’re not obliged to give reasons why. There’s absolutely no need to bash people and be an kitten .1 Auto reject dueling invites is a standard feature.
2 It makes no sense to put duelers in an overflow map.
3. People already go to the forums with cries and complaints, yet there is still no dueling. So it’ll happen anyways.
3b. You don’t see bots spamming gold selling over and over. Yet there is no dueling. So spamming won’t happen.
3c. Your statement that people will spam chat and cry is rude and condescending. You completely lose your stand.1. Ok.
2. It makes sense because I don’t consider dueling part of GW1 or 2 lore, as such I don’t want to see people dueling in my game. If you want to duel do it on your overflow map. (or implement the toggle the guy above me was talking about)
3. People complain of the forums all the time, which is why it would be bad to give further reason for people to complain and have the already toxic forum submerged even more.
3.b Bot’s don’t spam because the are taken care of. What I consider spam is, nolifer kid asks to duel, second person doesn’t want to. Kid proceeds to call him names, follow him around spam map chat etc etc.
3.c I can’t believe you actually deleted your previous comment that I accused you for being rude and condescending, so you can actually get back at me with it. Your behavior talks a lot about you. And I’m not going to waste my time with you.
2. Logan Thackeray and Rytlock Brimstone dueled in the Edge of Destiny book and in Flame Citadel. Logan dueled with his brother in Edge of destiny book too. Cobiah had a duel with one of the shipmates to not get picked on. We get to PvE duel in the Queen Jubilee. I don’t understand why lore should stop dueling though.
3. 1v1 happen in regular sPvP play. They are called far point assaulter and home bunkers. So their criticism can be legit. Then again, 1v1 profession balancing is already discussed even if you are afraid of it or not.
3b. No-lifer beggar ask for gold. Second person don’t want to. Kid proceeds to call him names, follow him around spam map chat etc etc. Should ANet remove gold or should I block him or report him for harassment? That is how I feel about your point.
I think dueling would completely destroy this game. Its good to have the 10vs10 sPvP arenas available. Even there I often get into situations where I encounter a single enemy and I have no backup an and I freeze in panic as the game is about to break into pieces since its not balanced for 1v1. But it always turns into 1v2 or 1v3 at some point and since the game is way better balanced for that the world is whole again.
I came up with an idea a few days ago. Its called TWS “Tactical-Warfare-Simulator” You can start it over your Friends or Ignore List and its basically a race for which player stacks the largest Zerg inside a tiny claim circle in 2 Minutes. The one with the bigger zerg wins and the whole zerg gets a random number of “Tactical-Warfare-Medals” (between 1 and 17) which can be traded in for a “Mini-Skinner-Box” (for 1000 Medals), a Crude Salvage Kit (10 Medals) and a number of Exotic recipes with the new infamous Power /Power/Power- Stat combination for more variety.
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I think dueling would completely destroy this game. Its good to have the 10vs10 sPvP arenas available. Even there I often get into situations where I encounter a single enemy and I have no backup an and I freeze in panic as the game is about to break into pieces since its not balanced for 1v1. But it always turns into 1v2 or 1v3 at some point and since the game is way better balanced for that the world is whole again.
I don’t understand how dueling will destroy the game. Can you explain further on that?
All I see is how you think about 10v10 arenas.
I just had a great idea!
Implement dueling! Make it so you have to pay 500 gems or 250 gold (depending on the gem-gold conversion) per invite regardless if it’s accepted or not and you can duel with that person for 1 hour.
Dueling is neither a quality of life feature nor an important mechanic in the game. It would create more toxicity, a lot more work for the devs and will probably split the community, so people should pay for it. I’ll have people that wanna spam chat and duel me pay with their wallets or gold for annoying me
Oh look it’s this topic again.
:D, funny eh?
It’s mounts and they they switch to duels, and then mounts again..etc
don’t see why you have to be against dueling so much, I think it is nonsense to be against it.
Because we’ve all seen it before and have no interest in dealing with it again. I’m certain Anet is paying attention to that sentiment and you have been told many times, there plenty of places for you to go dueling.
Oh look it’s this topic again.
:D, funny eh?
It’s mounts and they they switch to duels, and then mounts again..etc
I demand dueling mounts!
To me the solution is simple, have a few select pvp areas in the game for duelling that exist within a main city or map, but to the side out of the way. when within these areas you can send a duel request or receive one. But only if you are within the area.
However, this is pretty much exactly what pvp is already so frankly I don’t see the point.
To the OP, I agree with other people, I don’t want open world pvp, there is lag issues, spam issues, many issues. What you are basically complaining about seems to be “I want other people to see me fighting so they think i’m cool because people currently find me far to annoying to join me in pvp 1 vs 1 but they would totally do it all the time if it was open world”
I think dueling would completely destroy this game. Its good to have the 10vs10 sPvP arenas available. Even there I often get into situations where I encounter a single enemy and I have no backup an and I freeze in panic as the game is about to break into pieces since its not balanced for 1v1. But it always turns into 1v2 or 1v3 at some point and since the game is way better balanced for that the world is whole again.
I don’t understand how dueling will destroy the game. Can you explain further on that?
All I see is how you think about 10v10 arenas.
Because whenever two players meet randomly and try to fight each other, the game collapses for the lack of 1v1 balance. So I try to mitigate wherever I can or run away. First thing that happens to me in a duel is, my cool downs grow longer and longer, then I have to keep myself from jumping because gravity seems to have deactivated and I would just fly off the map. Sometimes my character starts to speak with Trahearnes voice. And then the game crashes because of sheer unbalancedness with a loud buzzing noise.
don’t see why you have to be against dueling so much, I think it is nonsense to be against it.
Because we’ve all seen it before and have no interest in dealing with it again. I’m certain Anet is paying attention to that sentiment and you have been told many times, there plenty of places for you to go dueling.
- I have no interest in fighting world bosses. Should ANet remove them or should I ignore them? That is how I feel about your interest.
- You told me many times that there are other alternatives. I told you many times why that alternative does not work.
I think dueling would completely destroy this game. Its good to have the 10vs10 sPvP arenas available. Even there I often get into situations where I encounter a single enemy and I have no backup an and I freeze in panic as the game is about to break into pieces since its not balanced for 1v1. But it always turns into 1v2 or 1v3 at some point and since the game is way better balanced for that the world is whole again.
I don’t understand how dueling will destroy the game. Can you explain further on that?
All I see is how you think about 10v10 arenas.
Because whenever two players meet randomly and try to fight each other, the game collapses for the lack of 1v1 balance. So I try to mitigate wherever I can or run away. First thing that happens to me in a duel is, my cool downs grow longer and longer, then I have to keep myself from jumping because gravity seems to have deactivated and I would just fly off the map. Sometimes my character starts to speak with Trahearnes voice. And then the game crashes because of sheer unbalancedness with a loud buzzing noise.
If you feel that you are disadvantaged and you dislike that, you can always change your build. A second alternative is that you don’t have to duel. No one is suggesting that you must duel.
I just had a great idea!
Implement dueling! Make it so you have to pay 500 gems or 250 gold (depending on the gem-gold conversion) per invite regardless if it’s accepted or not and you can duel with that person for 1 hour.
Dueling is neither a quality of life feature nor an important mechanic in the game. It would create more toxicity, a lot more work for the devs and will probably split the community, so people should pay for it. I’ll have people that wanna spam chat and duel me pay with their wallets or gold for annoying me
This is gonna blow your mind: People already challenge each other to go to sPvP and duel them. Yes, dueling is a way to show off, but Miniatures are as well. Have you ever been asked “Hey Dude, show me your best Miniature if you dare and then lets compare”
Its gonna be way more easy to “Hey see how I get 25 vuln on my enemy in just 3 seconds” instead of “Hey, come out the town to this bee, im gonna show you something”
I see nothing wrong with dueling in a PvP arena. However, in my opinion it has absolutely no place in PvE. Not using the system, or having the ability to auto-deny duel requests is NOT ENOUGH! Being able to block players is NOT ENOUGH! I’ve played too many games where dueling was allowed in open PvE and it was nothing but constant grief. If you want dueling set up a PvP system for it, but keep it out of PvE!
- I have no interest in fighting world bosses. Should ANet remove them or should I ignore them? That is how I feel about your interest.
- You told me many times that there are other alternatives. I told you many times why that alternative does not work.
- You bought a game with world bosses. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
- There are other alternatives. There are a lot of other games out there.
don’t see why you have to be against dueling so much, I think it is nonsense to be against it.
- I have no interest in fighting world bosses. Should ANet remove them or should I ignore them? That is how I feel about your interest.
- You told me many times that there are other alternatives. I told you many times why that alternative does not work.
Because we’ve all seen it before and have no interest in dealing with it again. I’m certain Anet is paying attention to that sentiment and you have been told many times, there plenty of places for you to go dueling.
me now:
without going back and reading all your posts to each other: You are talking about adding a new feature which doesn’t exist and has never been hinted or stated to exist. Saying that you don’t like something that is an established part of the game is not a good argument to refute somebody elses opinion, that just makes it look like you should be playing another game.
An example of how you sound is this: “I want the game to be first person, I should have the option of first person because I want it and don’t like third person”, someone would say to me “no, because we’ve all seen it before and have no interest in dealing with it in this game. I’m certain Anet is paying attention to that sentiment and you have been told many times, there plenty of other games you can go first person and this isn’t one of them.”
to which you reply: “So what!? I don’t like charr, maybe they should just remove all Charr in the game, my request is so simple that everybody elses opinions on the matter are irrelevant and my opinion is worth the most because I have validated it with a handful of other peoples opinion in this forum, the fact there is mass opinion against my idea and the fact the game is stated as not having the feature and always has been is selfish on your part, I feel they should change it anyway because its what I want this game to become, to hell with everyone else, me me me”
that’s how you sound
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If you feel that you are disadvantaged and you dislike that, you can always change your build. A second alternative is that you don’t have to duel. No one is suggesting that you must duel.
Thank you for your compassion, but I feel everybody will be disadvantaged if we let dueling enter a game that fundamentally rejects the principle. We should in no way let fun get in the way of coherence.
You can report someone for verbal harassment. You can’t report someone for using the design flaw to grief.
Of course i can report you for griefing as stated here:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/legal/guild-wars-2-conduct-breaches-outcomes/
I quote:
“In-game Infractions
The following will result in either a temporary account suspension or permanent account termination, depending upon the severity of the matter:
- Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse”
Just because game design enables you to grief, doesnt mean that you are allowed to do it.
I just had a great idea!
Implement dueling! Make it so you have to pay 500 gems or 250 gold (depending on the gem-gold conversion) per invite regardless if it’s accepted or not and you can duel with that person for 1 hour.
Dueling is neither a quality of life feature nor an important mechanic in the game. It would create more toxicity, a lot more work for the devs and will probably split the community, so people should pay for it. I’ll have people that wanna spam chat and duel me pay with their wallets or gold for annoying meThis is gonna blow your mind: People already challenge each other to go to sPvP and duel them. Yes, dueling is a way to show off, but Miniatures are as well. Have you ever been asked “Hey Dude, show me your best Miniature if you dare and then lets compare”
Its gonna be way more easy to “Hey see how I get 25 vuln on my enemy in just 3 seconds” instead of “Hey, come out the town to this bee, im gonna show you something”
Exactly! people challenge people to go to sPvP, and they go there! They won’t fight in my PvE world! Amazing!
I never got asked to show off my best miniature in this game yet, but maybe that’s just because I’m on Gandara where 90% of people are awesome and not 5year old kids. I used to have a toon on PvP servers on all the games I’ve played, hell I even play Wizardry online from time to time, when I feel like punishing myself, so I know quite a bit about dueling and what it implies, that’s why so against it.
What I don’t want is dueling on the current servers. Imo, Anet should make a serious survey. If the numbers are good, open up a PvP server where you can kill everyone on sight. BUT! Guesting shouldn’t be able to work both ways. You can guest from the PvP server to the PvE servers but not viceversa
If you feel that you are disadvantaged and you dislike that, you can always change your build. A second alternative is that you don’t have to duel. No one is suggesting that you must duel.
Thank you for your compassion, but I feel everybody will be disadvantaged if we let dueling enter a game that fundamentally rejects the principle. We should in no way let fun get in the way of coherence.
They all have the same choice just like you.
If they feel that they are disadvantaged and they dislike that, they can always change their build. A second alternative is that they don’t have to duel. No one is suggesting that they must duel.
Then there are players that want to duel while disadvantaged. It is fun for them to have a handicap. It gives them a challenge.
- You bought a game that has PvP and has duel rooms. Why haven’t you requested a refund?
Because I use those things and enjoy them for what they are, an awesome place other than PvE for group and 1v1 dueling.
- Engaging in PvP match manipulation, disrupting a PvP match by not actively playing in good faith, or any other form of PvP griefing, exploitation, or abuse"
Just because game design enables you to grief, doesnt mean that you are allowed to do it.
Hes not griefing the PvP match. He’s only griefing the duel. Strictly taken, the players dueling are leeching because they do not actively participate in the match. What are you trying here anyway?
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