Guild Wars 2

Guys calm down.
I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.
Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.
Now you guys are confronted with thinking about smart build and opponents armor actually matters again.

Great Job A-Net
This was exactly what we needed.
It keeps my hopes up for LS2

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its only the vocal minority, everyone I have seen in game, including a max character limit guild all like the patch except for a few.

I hope you are right.
The Patch is awesome

I’m sorry, but who is crying about, whatever you’re talking about? I look around this forum and all I see is complaints about wardrobe, the thing they bungled

Im really enjoying this patch! Can’t wait to try out the new trait system and this skins wardrobe brings out the collector in me! Definitely think the change to Bezerkers will bring more builds into play!

MrPersons.1560:

its only the vocal minority, everyone I have seen in game, including a max character limit guild all like the patch except for a few.

Unfortunately that minority is very vocal. I should have bought some stocks in Kleenex Tissues before the patch.

Kurrilino.2706:

Guys calm down.
I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.
Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.
Now you guys are confronted with thinking about smart build and opponents armor actually matters again.

Great Job A-Net
This was exactly what we needed.
It keeps my hopes up for LS2

Thumbs up

Gw1 Is 10 times better than what will Gw2 ever be.

Gw1 had great pvp, great pve and GvG.

Gw2 has no GvG, has pve that keeps getting worse and Pvp (lets not talk about that one).

If you really want people to play Gw1, they will realise that Gw2 has nothing to do with Gw1.

Forums are a place for feedback. If no one complained, then Anet wouldn’t know what players wanted out of their game.

Most of these main threads are even created by Anet themselves to get feedback about the new features. They want to hear the complaints and concerns so they can “listen to our feedback”.

So telling people to stop “crying/complaining” completely goes against the whole purpose of these threads. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. Your post contributes nothing to the feedback. Complaining about complainers is not very constructive and doesn’t provide any useful feedback for Anet.

Well…. this is you own medicine.
For quite some time i had to listen now to “if you don’t like it play something else or go away”
Now when the changes are not in kiddies favor suddenly they are not happy anymore with “play something else”

The critics in this forum din’t have anything to do with an opinion is was pure crying about losing 30% damage output.
Believe it or not, the majority like that change.

if you don’t like all that please feel free to not come into this forum and play something else

Sorry, but people will still laugh at your pvt gear. Nothing’s changed.

Zerk is still the best dps gear and best dps = best pve set.

GW1 is my favorite MMO, and I find this patch disappointing. Not for the berserker’s nurf, but for the changes in PvP. It’s too related to PvE now. If I don’t have a specific type of weapon in PvE, I can’t use that type of weapon in PvP. I’ll have to buy a very cheap one, and keep it in my inventory forever, even if I don’t use it in PvE. Customization in PvP has been reduced even more, since you can’t use different types of runes in different pieces of your armor. You have to pay gold and skill points to unlock traits, in PvP! You have to pay charges to use the skins you earned by playing PvP since the beginning of the game. You can’t create a level 1 character just for playing PvP (Similar to PvP only characters in GW1) because you won’t be able to apply skins to your armor since you won’t be wearing any (And again, you’ll have to give him weapons, PvE weapons). You have to complete dungeons in PvE if you want more rewards from PvP.

Silvanus.5821:

GW1 is my favorite MMO, and I find this patch disappointing. Not for the berserker’s nurf, but for the changes in PvP. It’s too related to PvE now. If I don’t have a specific type of weapon in PvE, I can’t use that type of weapon in PvP. I’ll have to buy a very cheap one, and keep it in my inventory forever, even if I don’t use it in PvE. Customization in PvP has been reduced even more, since you can’t use different types of runes in different pieces of your armor. You have to pay gold and skill points to unlock traits, in PvP! You have to pay charges to use the skins you earned by playing PvP since the beginning of the game. You can’t create a level 1 character just for playing PvP (Similar to PvP only characters in GW1) because you won’t be able to apply skins to your armor since you won’t be wearing any (And again, you’ll have to give him weapons, PvE weapons). You have to complete dungeons in PvE if you want more rewards from PvP.

You have to spectate for 20 minutes and hope a player quits so you can even play PvP since they cut half the servers.

Well I may be wrong but the entire basis of the Bezerkers DPS build was “we kill this quickly to avoid the damage it can put out” correct? Seems to me a decrease in your damage leads to an elevated risk? I’m not saying the game will snap to a Trinity style approach but I think we’ll all be looking at more balanced builds in a month or so! And I don’t think that’s anything to be angry about, Bezerkers will still represent the high DPS option and be viable within a group!

Forzani.2584:

MrPersons.1560:

its only the vocal minority, everyone I have seen in game, including a max character limit guild all like the patch except for a few.

Unfortunately that minority is very vocal. I should have bought some stocks in Kleenex Tissues before the patch.

The minority in mmorpgs always whines the loudest when their particular mode of playing might be changed in even the smallest degree. They know nothing of what is called ‘adapting’.

It’s best just to laugh and grab some popcorn and watch the endless QQ by a mindless few.

NonToxic.9185:

Silvanus.5821:

GW1 is my favorite MMO, and I find this patch disappointing. Not for the berserker’s nurf, but for the changes in PvP. It’s too related to PvE now. If I don’t have a specific type of weapon in PvE, I can’t use that type of weapon in PvP. I’ll have to buy a very cheap one, and keep it in my inventory forever, even if I don’t use it in PvE. Customization in PvP has been reduced even more, since you can’t use different types of runes in different pieces of your armor. You have to pay gold and skill points to unlock traits, in PvP! You have to pay charges to use the skins you earned by playing PvP since the beginning of the game. You can’t create a level 1 character just for playing PvP (Similar to PvP only characters in GW1) because you won’t be able to apply skins to your armor since you won’t be wearing any (And again, you’ll have to give him weapons, PvE weapons). You have to complete dungeons in PvE if you want more rewards from PvP.

You have to spectate for 20 minutes and hope a player quits so you can even play PvP since they cut half the servers.

That too. And I almost forgot, your traits are shared between PvP and PvE, meaning you have to change your traits whenever you go to and leave from PvP since you want be using the same traits in both of these.

Really? Don’t post opinions here?

I’m sorry, I was under the impression this was a “Discussion” “Forum”.

I think we’ll be posting our opinions here about the changes just fine, thank you very much.

The “quit your whining”, every thing is pie in the sky group of players is every bit as annoying, irrational and “vocal” as the woe is me, the sky is falling, ragequit group.

Its a feed back forums, people are going to leave feed back. Your POV is no better/ worse enlightened or stupid.

Kurrilino.2706:

I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.

Calling names over TCP/IP, how juvenile...

Kurrilino.2706:

Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.

I played several years, got all the swords in all coop missions, explored all the maps, did all the dungeons and reached tombs rank 9+, gladiator 4+ and champion 3+ titles in not one but two different accounts.

Now...

Why would I be happy about a patch that made my favourite activity virtually impossible to organise, made PvP even more of joke, removed RPG features that I liked and messed up my gear (yay Gear Wars 2) while giving ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in return?

Please explain to me, I’d really love to know.

It’s a terrible update. I swear I think half of these guys just want a legendary or precursor out of Anet lol. I really don’t see anything good about the update except the wardrobe system and that’s a mess. Eh, to each their own.

Trojan.1839:

The “quit your whining”, every thing is pie in the sky group of players is every bit as annoying, irrational and “vocal” as the woe is me, the sky is falling, ragequit group.

Its a feed back forums, people are going to leave feed back. Your POV is no better/ worse enlightened or stupid.

I didn’t say everything was pie in the sky.

As someone else said, we are ALL allowed to post our opinions, whether anyone likes them or not. And other people can post their opinions about those very same opinions. Until the forum police shut down the thread.

A R W E N.6895:

Gw1 Is 10 times better than what will Gw2 ever be.

Gw1 had great pvp, great pve and GvG.

Gw2 has no GvG, has pve that keeps getting worse and Pvp (lets not talk about that one).

If you really want people to play Gw1, they will realise that Gw2 has nothing to do with Gw1.

I have been saying this almost as long as I have been playing GW2, but GW2 is more like WoW than GW1 ever was, and there are things that are getting changed that apparently not just in my opinion make it more like WoW than it was before.

As far as the PvP and GvG levels in 1, I am not into that so have no idea how good it was over what is available in 2. However, I will say that there is no GvG in 2. People can cobble something together that resembles the GvG in 1, however, it is still not GvG, because the Game does not force it to be only 2 guilds/alliance fighting each other. The closest to it is WvWvW, which I feel is GvG on steroids, but is still NOT GvG.

There are some things in PvE (really in GW2 in general) that have been improved over how it was in 1.

• Open map areas – improvement over 1
• Not forcing the entire party into another area when 1 player goes into another area – improvement
• Allowing the dyes to be unlocked across all armor pieces on one character, and now across the entire account – improvement
• Allowing players to buy upgrades by way of gems with in game money and/or real world money to get more stuff in the game – improvement (but I do wish you could mail gems from 1 player to another)

That being said, here are some things I think were basically fine in 1 and should have been left alone for 2.

• Dancing – Putting it into having to use these books to unlock special dances, mixed. I liked a lot of the dances from 1, and how they were based on both the profession and the gender of the character. Making the character dances here basically suck to encourage people to buy the books? Not cool.
• Character classes from 1 – Screwed over in 2, guardian is basically a Warrior/Monk dual class from 1, but you should have left the professions from 1 as they were and added more, if possible, not rehash and try to replace the ones in 1. For the record, Thief is NOT Sin.
• Not forcing dual class – Mixed, because I didn’t like it being forced in 1, but I also liked that you could if you chose to.

If you want the happy-go-lucky circlejerk, go on Reddit.

Reddit is certainly more useful for constructive threads, rather than those who want to kneejerk panic about a patch just 6+ hours old.

I agree with A R W E N. Who are we fooling, GW1 will always be better than GW2. We didn’t really want a WoW killer, we didn’t really want the “best” MMO, we wanted a new game like GW1, which GW2 clearly isn’t.

But they promised us we’d have 8-player parties in WvW and PvE areas in this patch!

Waaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Teon.5168:

Reddit is certainly more useful for constructive threads

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Teon.5168:

Reddit is certainly more useful for constructive threads, rather than those who want to kneejerk panic about a patch just 6+ hours old.

Right, because making comments about a patch for a game on a site OTHER than the one from the company that actually makes the game just makes so much more sense.

Lyssan.3768:

Teon.5168:

Reddit is certainly more useful for constructive threads, rather than those who want to kneejerk panic about a patch just 6+ hours old.

Right, because making comments about a patch for a game on a site OTHER than the one from the company that actually makes the game just makes so much more sense.

Oh yea, guess you forgot about feedback.

You’re very naive if you think that Anet has the time or manpower to read the silly and absurd threads here. It’s certainly no more useful than reddit. Use feedback if you want the game company to actually have a chance of reading your complaints.

DPS cuts? WHAT DPS cuts? We ran some dungeons yesterday and noticed a few things..
(AC Path 1)
- Mobs became kitten…we were with a guild party of 4 people (instead of 5) and while two of us were fighting some gravelings, the other two sat down and were laughing..still we went through it like an incinnerator through snow..whilst doing normal DPS (no cutbacks noticed, no complaining here)
- the new thiefskill changes spongebob squishy thief into a tank…go with Fiery greatsword or S/P skill 3 instantly renews the healthpool (not complaining either)
- The fact that a dungeon is easier to run makes you think to do it over and over again..but the rewards for doing it the second time the same day are very much downgraded..which is good IMO

And overall…although the patch download time seemed to be very small…there are A LOT of details and handling changed and with care…so very great Job A-Net !

A R W E N.6895:

Kurrilino.2706:

Guys calm down.
I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.
Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.
Now you guys are confronted with thinking about smart build and opponents armor actually matters again.

Great Job A-Net
This was exactly what we needed.
It keeps my hopes up for LS2

Thumbs up

Gw1 Is 10 times better than what will Gw2 ever be.

Gw1 had great pvp, great pve and GvG.

Gw2 has no GvG, has pve that keeps getting worse and Pvp (lets not talk about that one).

If you really want people to play Gw1, they will realise that Gw2 has nothing to do with Gw1.

Completely subjective of course. I think, over all, Guild Wars 2 is the better of the two games, because obviously we like or are annoyed by different things.

But yes, Guild Wars 1 has very little to do with Guild Wars 2. That much is self-evident.

i didnt know town clothes/ megaservers/ world boss schedule had anything to do with dps

I do love a constructive post to open a a new thread with.

Everyone has right to express his opinions as long he does it the right way. You cant just order people to stop complaining there will will always be people that likes something or not and they have a right to not like.
I like the patch overall. But if someone complains desn’t mean his complains aren’t valid and you have no right to say that.

Are you complaining about complaining?

Please follow your own advice. Stop complaining about the complainers. At least they might have a point, this thread does not.

I think, people who post opposition against the patch in the forum are minority.
People who like the patch don’t open new threads here, so it looks as if there are more complaining ppl than appreciating ppl.
Players in game generally liked the patch as I see in guild chat, map chat of various zones etc.

To be fair I am not against the PATCH I am against a few “features” of the patch. Though now that I think about it quite a lot of it. I would have not have made a post if my town clothes were not messed with. I would have been unhappy about other things but not post. Dont think silence means I or anyone else agrees or is happy. Silence means silence.

And the players I saw ingame when I said hey check out your town clothes were kittened. just saying Black Citadel had RAGE. There was even a arenatagger there and people were wtf’ing him.

I am not a new player who just bought a new game. I’m an old player who has to buy gems to make the game survive.

The patch did next to nothing good for me as an old player – I have all my looks and dyes gathered already, most bugs I’m utterly tired of never got fixed, I don’t like PvP.

On the other hand, the game completely messed with things I enjoyed – world bosses, especially doing them with medium to small groups; the waypoints are a pain now; the Orr events turned into camp-the-map-and-hope-those-PuGs-fail-this-event-finally; zergs everywhere, even in cities, is discouraging; on the other hand, the light-minded source of T6 materials on the market which made supply higher and prices lower AKA Frostgorge train is in danger; the daily options have been cut down in half so I’m practically forced to do specific things if I want a laurel; my weapons got ridiculous names. See, I don’t even mention the zerk nerf – it’s not the thing in question.

Am I happy? No. Will I support ANet if I’m not happy? No, and the recent gold-to-gem conversions instead of cash-to-gems are the direct consequence. Will there be enough eternally happy new buyers which pay enough before leaving to make the game always go forward? No, because new players are a finite number.

I like this patch +1

not happy with the way the removed most of the daily challenges. i am not interested in playing PvP.

Ever stop to think that maybe because there are so many people ‘whining’ about it,
that there is something wrong fundamentally with the patch?

It’s not just about nerfing damage, there are other things messed up in the patch as well.

Granted they did design some nice features, some that I love, like the account-wide dyes, but there’s a can full of things wrong in the patch as well.

I like how everyone who doesn’t like a particular aspect of this patch is considered a “kiddie.” If people wanted to play a mind-numbing and boring zerker beta, what’s it to you? They’re favorite playstyle is now gone, I think they should be allowed to whine about it. Just like other things people are whining about. Patch is great overall, but it’s preposterously far from perfect. It seems like ANet really didn’t think out some of these changes very much.

People, don’t dig yourselves into holes by calling other people kid. It’s juvenile and just ends up making you look worse.

Woljnir.7810:

I like how everyone who doesn’t like a particular aspect of this patch is considered a “kiddie.” If people wanted to play a mind-numbing and boring zerker beta, what’s it to you? They’re favorite playstyle is now gone, I think they should be allowed to whine about it. Just like other things people are whining about. Patch is great overall, but it’s preposterously far from perfect. It seems like ANet really didn’t think out some of these changes very much.

People, don’t dig yourselves into holes by calling other people kid. It’s juvenile and just ends up making you look worse.

Why is it gone? Berserker is still top damage. Bosses just take 5s more to kill. Besides, since almost every berserker player wields a greatsword, they have another sigil slot to compensate for the damage. Also the runes are reworked which in most cases contribute to higher damage.

Correct me if I’m wrong but while ferocity reduced the raw damage compared to crit damage, the extra sigil slot for gs and the reworked runes make up for the loss.

Kurrilino.2706:

Guys calm down.
I understand that all these kiddies cry now with their dps toy gone.
Actually people should be forced to play 60 days GW1 before doing this crap to Gw2.
Now you guys are confronted with thinking about smart build and opponents armor actually matters again.

Great Job A-Net
This was exactly what we needed.
It keeps my hopes up for LS2

Thumbs up

I agree with you but don’t you also think that the dmg over time abilities should have also been tuned down accordingly? as is atm condis dominate every aspect of the game since power/crit builds as now weaker (and slower dmg) than condis

Mugiwara Luffy.1087:

Correct me if I’m wrong but while ferocity reduced the raw damage compared to crit damage, the extra sigil slot for gs and the reworked runes make up for the loss.

Thief, wvw zerg player – Thieves have few options to get rid of conditions, therefore I need runes and traits which are all not in the power line. So there is no way for me to just even it out by new runes or a new sigil (already had two anyway) or to chose other traits as I still need the same ones so I won’t die that easily to conditions.
I have been able to solo roam and to play in a zerg before the update, now I have to chose whether I want to be a zerg thief or a roaming thief – and to me that’s a massive loss.

problems with update:
1) no real content
2) bugs
3) town clothes tonic disaster

I’m confused, you guys are complaining about complaining, name calling and assuming because the patch is good for you it’s good for everyone? Also saying people complaining are the “minority”? I find this funny, everytime someone doesn’t like something someone says, that person is part of a “vocal minority”, but then when that person feels they’re right, everyone is behind them? Hahaha.

My complaint is mesmer bugs and limited dying abilities on town clothings. These are bugs, not whining, these need to be fixed. Maybe OP you should realize this before generalizing everyone negatively.

Hi there,

since the discussion in this thread is not heading in a constructive direction, it is being closed. Please post any further comments, questions and concerns in the main feedback threads for the Feature Patch.

Thank you!