Guild Wars 2

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

Ameepa.6793:

saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

the reason why they didn’t left the game because of duels is because they accepted the fact, GW2 is the only MMO where PvE is free from duels.
in fact, i know some who play this game because there are no duels in PvE, if it’s added then you can expect a decline of players.

That poll above proved everything clear.Majority of people want duels.Minority will leave but more people will come ( or stay to this game).

That is false and illogical for reasons already stated.

I think that the vast majority of players don’t care one way or another, and that the battle really just lies on the forums.

First of all…Mudbone,people that want duels agrees with default auto-decline.Second thing is that….if you really counted that then seriously…i dont want to be rude but that is just prof of “hating”.There is a poll and it shows everything.You cant know what players want based on “yeas and nays” cause not everyone are ragers and haters that want to argue on the forums.People vote and leave to play a game.Some people dont care about conversation that is going on here,other people dont care much about dueling to care to comment anything here at all,but they dont mind it.I talked with many people in game and everyone agrees on 1 thing.They dont go to forum at all cause they think that toxicity here is terrible.Most of players dont even read forums and those that do,they think that all these negativity and attempt’s to prevent some people from getting content they want is vary sad thing.Those people that said “nay” here are dueling “haters” (no offence really) and that is why they doing everything to prevent this content from happening.But other games already showed that duels are not problem.Biggest MMORPG ever WOW has duels and was never a problem to Blizzard community.Other games proved that as well.Gw2 community is just to spoiled.I know i will get negative point for this but i had to say it.

pdavis.8031:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

Ameepa.6793:

saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

the reason why they didn’t left the game because of duels is because they accepted the fact, GW2 is the only MMO where PvE is free from duels.
in fact, i know some who play this game because there are no duels in PvE, if it’s added then you can expect a decline of players.

That poll above proved everything clear.Majority of people want duels.Minority will leave but more people will come ( or stay to this game).

That is false and illogical for reasons already stated.

I think that the vast majority of players don’t care one way or another, and that the battle really just lies on the forums.

True that.Most of people dont mind it and battle that is on forums are showed on polls.You say how poll is illogical but what you guys talking is logical really? “im lazy to click on auto block duels” is logical?Im done with this.If they want too add dueling i will be happy.If they dont then i dont care,i will play other games that have.Toxicity here is terrible and i dont want to leave this game as i did League of Legends just cause of bad community.Dont bother to reply cause im not gonna read it.

saalle.4623:

First of all…Mudbone,people that want duels agrees with default auto-decline.Second thing is that….if you really counted that then seriously…i dont want to be rude but that is just prof of “hating”.There is a poll and it shows everything.You cant know what players want based on “yeas and nays” cause not everyone are ragers and haters that want to argue on the forums.People vote and leave to play a game.Some people dont care about conversation that is going on here,other people dont care much about dueling to care to comment anything here at all,but they dont mind it.I talked with many people in game and everyone agrees on 1 thing.They dont go to forum at all cause they think that toxicity here is terrible.Most of players dont even read forums and those that do,they think that all these negativity and attempt’s to prevent some people from getting content they want is vary sad thing.Those people that said “nay” here are dueling “haters” (no offence really) and that is why they doing everything to prevent this content from happening.But other games already showed that duels are not problem.Biggest MMORPG ever WOW has duels and was never a problem to Blizzard community.Other games proved that as well.Gw2 community is just to spoiled.I know i will get negative point for this but i had to say it.

I will reiterate, WHAT POLL, where?

@Im Mudbone: I think the one on the signature of someone on page 2.

Anyway, I’ve been reading the forums a lot lately (work has been light these last couple of weeks). I keep reading this “forum is toxic”, “the community is toxic” comments, but I fail to see how it is. Obviously there are people who are offensive, but so far, at least in this post, I’ve yet to see something toxic.

Truth be told, it seems that disagreeing = toxicity. To me that just…blows.

saalle.4623:

pdavis.8031:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

Ameepa.6793:

saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

the reason why they didn’t left the game because of duels is because they accepted the fact, GW2 is the only MMO where PvE is free from duels.
in fact, i know some who play this game because there are no duels in PvE, if it’s added then you can expect a decline of players.

That poll above proved everything clear.Majority of people want duels.Minority will leave but more people will come ( or stay to this game).

That is false and illogical for reasons already stated.

I think that the vast majority of players don’t care one way or another, and that the battle really just lies on the forums.

True that.Most of people dont mind it and battle that is on forums are showed on polls.You say how poll is illogical but what you guys talking is logical really? “im lazy to click on auto block duels” is logical?Im done with this.If they want too add dueling i will be happy.If they dont then i dont care,i will play other games that have.Toxicity here is terrible and i dont want to leave this game as i did League of Legends just cause of bad community.Dont bother to reply cause im not gonna read it.

“That is false and illogical for reasons already stated.” It’s just in reference to another thread that the OP tried to defend every argument with that line. Some of us kind tried to turn it into a meme. I just find it amusing when I see the same arguments going on again :P

Having duels will not force people to leave the game. That is total BS.

If you don’t want to duel, then don’t. Why should others not have the option simply because you don’t want to duel? This is ludicrous! It shouldn’t even be an argument.

The best part about this game is the combat. Hands down, I play this game over any other MMO simply because of the combat for both PvE and PvP! Any addition to the game that would allow for more combat is a major bonus to me! ADD DUELING PLEASE!

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

Ameepa.6793:

saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

the reason why they didn’t left the game because of duels is because they accepted the fact, GW2 is the only MMO where PvE is free from duels.
in fact, i know some who play this game because there are no duels in PvE, if it’s added then you can expect a decline of players.

That poll above proved everything clear.Majority of people want duels.Minority will leave but more people will come ( or stay to this game).

i am pretty sure the sale numbers prove you wrong, Anet broke a record on most sold copy’s within 8 months.
in the mean time, all your duel allowed games fail to get even close to that number.

i think it’s much more likely the majority would leave and only a minority would take the risk, there is also no poll so you’re talking BS.

I think this pretty much sums up everything…..

This is the so called poll: http://strawpoll.me/1650018/

I wouldn’t even venture, with a sample so small, to argue that people want or reject anything.

Aline Castro.9820:

@Im Mudbone: I think the one on the signature of someone on page 2.

Anyway, I’ve been reading the forums a lot lately (work has been light these last couple of weeks). I keep reading this “forum is toxic”, “the community is toxic” comments, but I fail to see how it is. Obviously there are people who are offensive, but so far, at least in this post, I’ve yet to see something toxic.

Truth be told, it seems that disagreeing = toxicity. To me that just…blows.

Ahhhhhh, ok, to small of a base to even consider that as a poll, but, meh, if DEFAULT AUTO-DECLINE is in place I won’t care then, that option isn’t even included with that poll.

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

saalle.4623:

sorudo.9054:

saalle.4623:

Ameepa.6793:

saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

Yeah .. because i left AION of course because all the ganking and griefing from open World PvP that of course is much worse than duelling since there is no way at all to decline it.
However that game is the main reason i never again want to have to play a game where i am confrontated with PvP in any way in the open world.

Arguments against dueling?

First and foremost. Gw2 wasn’t launched with dueling. Gw2 ISN’T other MMOs. The majority of reasons for dueling is “X MMO has it, many others do too, why not GW2?” If Anet wanted GW2 to be like other MMOs they would have included dueling, mounts, and raids from the very beginning. But they didn’t.

Also open world dueling creates more of an irritation than anything. I don’t think it will become as “toxic” as people would like to believe, but map chat in general (expect when train or boss is going on) is already irritating and “toxic” enough as it is. (Thats why I pretty much ignore it anymore. Saw a conversation in LA before the Zepharites about anime, and it got pretty graphic pretty quick).

Anet already gave us an option for dueling. 1v1 “rooms” in the heart of the mist. You can duel to your hearts content.

“Becasue its fun, and is a good way to train/pass time” is also a major pro argument for having open world dueling. But I would contend that just as many people find NOT dueling to be just as fun. Dueling for training purposes is not really a valid argument anyway, because any PvP/WvW is done in a seperate area and has completely different mechanics from PvE. I would be behind dueling in WvW, as a form of training, but in open world PvE it doesn’t really make sense.

And finally, Dueling by waiting for mega bosses would cause more problems and grief than anything. Everyone already complains about no one listening to commanders for Teq and THW, and thats with nothing to distract them. People can get downright hostile when it goes wrong because “Noobs weren’t paying attention!!!” Now throw in dueling. People arrive early, half listen to commander and instead start dueling. They have fun, but when fight is ready to begin, they were too busy dueling to know what was going on and cause more people to rage and QQ and cry about “noobs not paying attention!!!” same thing with dungeons…

All in all I can see very little benefit to adding dueling in open world PvE at this point. If it had been implemented shortly after launch it wouldn’t even be an issue. Bu this late in the game, it most certainly would be buggy as heck, and people wouldn’t be used to it and begin QQing about people going crazy with duels causing party wipes, lags, chat spam, harassment, etc.

Hahaha, I imagined people dying while fighting Tequatl and yelling for help, while others are dueling in front of it, because it looks epic.

pdavis.8031:

I think this pretty much sums up everything…..

Id say the pvp in the matrix is kinda stupid then. O wait there is none.

pdavis.8031:

Arguments against dueling?

“Becasue its fun, and is a good way to train/pass time” is also a major pro argument for having open world dueling. But I would contend that just as many people find NOT dueling to be just as fun.

>_>

pdavis.8031:

Arguments against dueling?

1 First and foremost. Gw2 wasn’t launched with dueling. Gw2 ISN’T other MMOs. The majority of reasons for dueling is “X MMO has it, many others do too, why not GW2?”….

2 …Also open world dueling creates more of an irritation than anything. I don’t think it will become as “toxic” as people would like to believe, but map chat in general (expect when train or boss is going on) is already irritating and “toxic” enough as it is…

3 Anet already gave us an option for dueling. 1v1 “rooms” in the heart of the mist. You can duel to your hearts content.

4 “Becasue its fun, and is a good way to train/pass time” is also a major pro argument for having open world dueling. But I would contend that just as many people find NOT dueling to be just as fun. Dueling for training purposes is not really a valid argument…

5 And finally, Dueling by waiting for mega bosses would cause more problems and grief than anything. Everyone already complains about no one listening to commanders for Teq and THW, and thats with nothing to distract them. People can get downright hostile when it goes wrong because “Noobs weren’t paying attention!!!” Now throw in dueling. People arrive early, half listen to commander and instead start dueling…

All in all I can see very little benefit to adding dueling in open world PvE at this point. If it had been implemented shortly after launch it wouldn’t even be an issue. …

…and begin QQing about people going crazy with duels causing party wipes, lags, chat spam, harassment, etc.

Wow, ok…

1: Asking for dueling in GW2 isn’t because people want GW2 to be “other mmos”, however, in many cases it most certainly is as a result of people enjoying dueling in other mmos and want it for our game as well. (In which it probably would work very well)

2: If we have a few, small dueling arenas (a circle on the ground would suffice) spread across Tyria, inside of which dueling would be allowed (but nowhere else), these issues would disappear.

3: As I’ve said once before, finding a custom arena server where you can actually duel people is really, really rare. It’s simply not worth sitting in the browser for an hour when it mostly results in nothing.
Whenever I do find them, however, I’m easily having more fun than I’ve ever had in GW2 – It’s an absolute blast and I’m sure a lot of others would say the same.

4: Everyone will not find dueling fun. A lot of people will though. My first MMO was WoW, like a lot of others. The combat system wasn’t really as well suited for dueling, but nonetheless there where always about half of the amount of people outside the gate dueling as there where in the busy city center (Where the bank and AH/TP was).

And how is dueling not a valid form of PvP practice? It’s the purest way to practice 1v1, arguably a much more effective way when compared to the means we have today.
I find it a lot easier to learn countering another profession/build by dueling them in Courtyard (Again though, it’s a huge struggle finding a server for that)

And it is a lot of fun, and a great way to pass the time. I’m sure almost everyone have spent an awful lot of time waiting in LA/VK for a group (of guildies) to assemble. How great would it be to be able to duel in comfortable distance of the FotM portal?

5: Again, dueling areas would completely solve this (if it would ever be an issue in the first place.)

Frankly, I don’t see why people gets so passionately against dueling? It adds a lot for the vast amount of players that will enjoy it. And it will draw a lot of players to sPvP. The few negatives is nothing against the positives, especially with dueling areas. I’m sure most people that want dueling will accept dueling areas – As long as they can enjoy dueling other people. We could even have them hidden away for those that doesn’t want to take part of dueling – Put them in the sewers of LA, in caves or on cliffs, as long as we get dueling.

Phadde.7362:

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

i have a better idea, what’s your strong argument to add duels in an area where PvP doesn’t belong, just give a strong good reason beyond “but it’s in every other MMO” or “i want duels”.

sorudo.9054:

Phadde.7362:

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

i have a better idea, what’s your strong argument to add duels in an area where PvP doesn’t belong, just give a strong good reason beyond “but it’s in every other MMO” or “i want duels”.

Dueling outside of custom sPvP arenas lets you use your WvW char (which is most peoples main char/build/spec/etc). You can still “duel” in WvW but you are limited to people on opposing servers, instead of the people you want to duel most, like guildies and friends on your server. At the same time, you are subject to others interrupting your duel, a problem also faced by people who want to duel in sPvP but can’t afford a custom arena.

That’s one strong, simple argument— The current model only lets you 1v1 against people of your choosing on your sPvP character, which is not the main character most people play on. Open world duels would give you the option and the accessibility to duel who you want on your main (PvE/WvW) character.

Sorudo, you’ve been engaged in at least the last 3 big duel threads, and i am simply baffled that you haven’t been able to grasp any of these arguments. I honestly don’t believe you are actually reading or attempting to comprehend most of the posts in this or other threads. The same arguments have been repeated over and over until one person aggregates them all into one post. Then they get argued again and repeated over and over.

Duels in and of themselves are not bad, but open world dueling, even with auto-decline, is visual clutter this game does not need. What they should do is have some place to confine the players to who want to duel, maybe some sort of arena perhaps, could even make it custom, like a custom arena maybe?

I suggest we handle this the same way we handle it IRL. Dueling is probably the best way for players to develop their PvP skills—no question. And, we have an analog IRL: martial arts. I love to spar, but I have no interest in being challenged to a duel while walking to the movie theater. And, luckily, there is a place for sparing, the martial arts studio.

What we need, and already have, is a place for people who wish to duel, to duel. The problem is already solved. It makes as much sense to put dueling in open world PvE as it does to put sparring on IRL open world streets.

Why the need of arguments? I played games with duelling, I didnt like it. I dont need to explain why, maybe I even cant point out exactly whats wrong with it, maybe I just dont find it fun.
And because someone has a “valid point” I should forget everything I know about dueling? Or maybe because some say its “lots of fun”?
I think most ppl that are against it, have experience with it, whats so hard to understand about ppl beeing different with different opinions?
Make a zone for duels, with instatravel and hot dogs and a pub or whatever, but I would like to keep most of tyria without duels.

Phadde.7362:

Wow, ok…

1: Asking for dueling in GW2 isn’t because people want GW2 to be “other mmos”, however, in many cases it most certainly is as a result of people enjoying dueling in other mmos and want it for our game as well. (In which it probably would work very well)

2: If we have a few, small dueling arenas (a circle on the ground would suffice) spread across Tyria, inside of which dueling would be allowed (but nowhere else), these issues would disappear.

3: As I’ve said once before, finding a custom arena server where you can actually duel people is really, really rare. It’s simply not worth sitting in the browser for an hour when it mostly results in nothing.
Whenever I do find them, however, I’m easily having more fun than I’ve ever had in GW2 – It’s an absolute blast and I’m sure a lot of others would say the same.

4: Everyone will not find dueling fun. A lot of people will though. My first MMO was WoW, like a lot of others. The combat system wasn’t really as well suited for dueling, but nonetheless there where always about half of the amount of people outside the gate dueling as there where in the busy city center (Where the bank and AH/TP was).

And how is dueling not a valid form of PvP practice? It’s the purest way to practice 1v1, arguably a much more effective way when compared to the means we have today.
I find it a lot easier to learn countering another profession/build by dueling them in Courtyard (Again though, it’s a huge struggle finding a server for that)

And it is a lot of fun, and a great way to pass the time. I’m sure almost everyone have spent an awful lot of time waiting in LA/VK for a group (of guildies) to assemble. How great would it be to be able to duel in comfortable distance of the FotM portal?

5: Again, dueling areas would completely solve this (if it would ever be an issue in the first place.)

Frankly, I don’t see why people gets so passionately against dueling? It adds a lot for the vast amount of players that will enjoy it. And it will draw a lot of players to sPvP. The few negatives is nothing against the positives, especially with dueling areas. I’m sure most people that want dueling will accept dueling areas – As long as they can enjoy dueling other people. We could even have them hidden away for those that doesn’t want to take part of dueling – Put them in the sewers of LA, in caves or on cliffs, as long as we get dueling.

1. Yes it is.
2. Eventually we will hear ‘why can’t we duel here while waiting for x event?’.
3. Good news! Custom arenas now cost gold! Create a dueling only guild, pool your money together, and you can create your OWN dueling arena!
4. Everyone > a lot. WoW =/= GW2

Fun is a matter of perspective. Your fun is not the same as others fun, as should be apparent by people not wanting duels. You also say you don’t understand why people are against it, yet the same question can be asked why people are for it, since this topic is so beaten you can’t tell its even a horse anymore.

And what is ‘a lot’? Is it half the player base? 3/4? You can keep saying a lot, but that could mean just 100 people. And since anet has shown no movement toward duels (other than gold for customer arenas), then ‘a lot’ =/= ‘enough’.

You cannot claim, in anyway shape or form, that it will draw people to spvp. There is no proof or evidence of it.

And again for dueling areas, people will NOT accept them. Why? Because the option is already there in point 3, and you said yourself those are rare. If dueling is already rare, then it is not as popular as you think, or people do not accept being confined.

sorudo.9054:

Phadde.7362:

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

i have a better idea, what’s your strong argument to add duels in an area where PvP doesn’t belong, just give a strong good reason beyond “but it’s in every other MMO” or “i want duels”.

I’ve stated arguments for Dueling in two rather long comments on this page and the previous, and how they can be implemented without really affecting those that do not want to take part of Dueling.

Phadde.7362:

sorudo.9054:

Phadde.7362:

To those against duels in GW2:

What is your strong arguments against dueling, which cannot be solved in a satisfying way?

The truth is that there are a lot of people that really want duels to be in the game, and it would bring a lot of positives with it. That, no one can deny.
So, your arguments?

i have a better idea, what’s your strong argument to add duels in an area where PvP doesn’t belong, just give a strong good reason beyond “but it’s in every other MMO” or “i want duels”.

I’ve stated arguments for Dueling in two rather long comments on this page and the previous, and how they can be implemented without really affecting those that do not want to take part of Dueling.

That wasn’t his question though and it might not have been directed at you, you just asked the question to those opposing duels. He was asking those who want dueling to spell out their reasons. Since a fair number of them, not necessarily you, were just saying “I want duels” or “Other games have duels”. Or just countered the arguments of those who don’t want dueling without really offering any reasons for dueling.

To add onto the person who said there should be “martial arts studios” for dueling. That would be a possible solution. And ANet could make Martial Art Studio Expresses for players to pop down a Martial Arts studio anywhere. As there are those who don’t necessarily want to do it out in the open. The ones placed in the world have open duel spots for those who wish to have an audience and they have private closed door instanced rings for those who wish to duel in private.

And have them in both the PvE area and the Heart of the Mists. That way it can be used as an effective training ground for both PvP areas (WvW and sPvP).

The Express version also will not be placed within the event ring of a major world boss if they are within 15 minutes of the spawn window (as to not scale up the event or distract from organization for too long).

And the standard ones should be at least one per map, more in the cities (and put them a bit away from the gathering hubs in the cities to reduce lag).

There is one and only one place in the game where organized duels actually has a reason to exist: Heart Of The Mists

Open up the map a bit to add a colosseum (just take the model from EB puzzle) and allow people to challenge other players in this zone alone.

All done.

It even solves a balance issue – all players will be PvP scaled in the mists. So it wont disrupt anything PvE at all.

I have a great idea, that would make us all happy :

Please let us pickpocket people who do duells, so we can steal their items or even their gold.

Great idea .. isn’kitten Dueller calls you “carebear” or whatever ? Pah .. ignore, steal his money and have a laugh, while he happily fights somebody else

pdavis.8031:

Arguments against dueling?

First and foremost. Gw2 wasn’t launched with dueling. Gw2 ISN’T other MMOs. The majority of reasons for dueling is “X MMO has it, many others do too, why not GW2?” If Anet wanted GW2 to be like other MMOs they would have included dueling, mounts, and raids from the very beginning. But they didn’t.

Not sure that this is a viable argument. Everything that is ever developed after launch in any game was not included at launch. Does this mean that ANet should add nothing to the game post launch ? No fractals, no special events, no new armor or weapons, no new dungeons, no new stories, etc ?

The argument that if something was not included at launch it must not be something that the developer ever intended to be included runs counter to the fact that developers launch while still working on features all of the time.

pdavis.8031:

I don’t think it will become as “toxic” as people would like to believe, but map chat in general (expect when train or boss is going on) is already irritating and “toxic” enough as it is. (Thats why I pretty much ignore it anymore. Saw a conversation in LA before the Zepharites about anime, and it got pretty graphic pretty quick).

You point out that people PVEing are toxic as an argument to claim that duelists will be toxic ? That seems like a bit of a stretch to me. Still your point seems to argue that PVE should be removed from the game since people can be toxic while playing it.

pdavis.8031:

Anet already gave us an option for dueling. 1v1 “rooms” in the heart of the mist. You can duel to your hearts content.

This is inaccurate. If HOTM dueling made duelists’ hearts content they wouldn’t be here asking for the option to duel in the open world.

pdavis.8031:

“Becasue its fun, and is a good way to train/pass time” is also a major pro argument for having open world dueling. But I would contend that just as many people find NOT dueling to be just as fun. .

No one is asking people who, “find NOT dueling to be just as fun,” to duel. If not dueling is fun for them then they could continue to have their fun even if the option is added for others to have fun as well.

pdavis.8031:

Dueling for training purposes is not really a valid argument anyway, because any PvP/WvW is done in a seperate area and has completely different mechanics from PvE. I would be behind dueling in WvW, as a form of training, but in open world PvE it doesn’t really make sense..

Which mechanics are different in a character’s build and/or performance between WvW and PvE ?

pdavis.8031:

And finally, Dueling by waiting for mega bosses would cause more problems and grief than anything. Everyone already complains about no one listening to commanders for Teq and THW, and thats with nothing to distract them. People can get downright hostile when it goes wrong because “Noobs weren’t paying attention!!!” Now throw in dueling. People arrive early, half listen to commander and instead start dueling. They have fun, but when fight is ready to begin, they were too busy dueling to know what was going on and cause more people to rage and QQ and cry about “noobs not paying attention!!!” same thing with dungeons…

So people doing world events are being hostile (a form off toxicity I guess) so events should be removed (or at least no new ones ever added again), right ?

If no one is listening now then dueling could not make matters worse. You cannot have fewer than zero people not listening.

pdavis.8031:

All in all I can see very little benefit to adding dueling in open world PvE at this point. If it had been implemented shortly after launch it wouldn’t even be an issue. Bu this late in the game, it most certainly would be buggy as heck, and people wouldn’t be used to it and begin QQing about people going crazy with duels causing party wipes, lags, chat spam, harassment, etc.

Perfectly good arguments for adding nothing to the game ever again. “People wouldn’t be used to,” new content. New content would likely be buggy, and people will QQ about it.

@ashen

If you want to take my comments to mean that it can be applied to everything, that is your perogative. However I stand by my statements. Open world PvE dueling isnt a good fit for this game.

However I will comment on PvP /WvW vs PvE. A build in PvE is based on trait and skill sets,, along with gear sets. A build in PvP is based largely on trait, skills, and amulets. The gear is standard set across the board. Heavy/medium/light all have the same stats in their respective classes. So to create more of a balance in PvP. However in PvE the armor stats vary according to armor quality. (Basic, fine, masterwork, rare, exotic, ascended). Now would a character equipped in full exotic armor be evenly matched, stat wise, vs a player with a full set of rares? or masterwork? Is an ascended level weapon on the same level as masterwork? Or even an under leveled character vs a low level character? Thats why dueling cant be considered a valid form of training or practice. Two different players on two very different levels of playing fields. If you want dueling as a way to train, as its be said many times before, you can get 1v1 rooms in HotM just for that very purpose. Many guilds have them just for training.

WvW: it is a bit different as its more of a hybrid of PvE and PvP. However, characters are up leveled to have more balance, not sure about gear. But even so builds that may work well in PvE or PvP dont necessarily work well in WvW. As WvW is more focused on massive battles where support builds can be more useful and utilities will determine the outcome of a fight more than glassy DPS used primarily in PvE.

In conclusion, while basic combat mechanics may be the same, the way there are implemented in each game mode is vastly different, as well as the way each are played. Each game mode focuses on a very different style of play. Dueling in a 1v1 situation doesnt prepare one for being able to compete in each one of those modes. While 1v1 situations may happen in PvP and WvW, they are not as common as each game mode requires working together as a group, usually its just a zerg though, in order to be effective. Open world dueling wont provide the training one would need to be a contender. The only thing open world dueling provides in an easy alternative to PvP without going to the PvP arena, which ultimately is lazy and selfish as it does nothing to improve the game as a whole, and just caters to those who feel entitled, and that Anet should cater to their desires.

Beldin.5498:

WE want the holy trinity of mounted cape wrestling !!
The game is dead because the lack of mounted cape wrestling

sad thing im curious about mounted cape wrestling. i dont want to participate but just to watch it…lol.. second to topic on hand i dont want duels in open world im ok with duel arenas specific for that purpose. my reason i didnt like it in other games(its just not my bag of tea sorry) a couple i quit because of open world dueling. id quit this game if they implemented open world dueling also but like i said im ok with duel arenas for that type of thing

saalle.4623:

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saalle.4623:

Duels and Cantha are most desired content we ware waiting for and those that dont like it are just minority.

No they aren’t. People asking for those are just minority.

Why dont you go then and look how many views and comments Cantha tread has? I dont even want to talk about numbers of treads made for dueling.Stop been selfish people.Dueling wont hurt anyone.

last time i saw a thread like this about 80% were against duels, the reason why you don’t see “remove duels” threats because it isn’t in PvE.
if it was, i can guarantee that allot of players would leave the game permanently, apparently it does hurt someone

Well i played WOW,AION,and at least 10 more MMORPG games and no1 ever left cause of duels.But i know that many people did left GW2 cause of lack of duels and 1 of them is my brother.This is only MMORPG game that i know that has no open world (pk) or duels in open world at all.It was only thing that was backing me off from buying this game.But what lacks here…Everquest Next will have.Too bad that Anet always learns too late.

the reason why they didn’t left the game because of duels is because they accepted the fact, GW2 is the only MMO where PvE is free from duels.
in fact, i know some who play this game because there are no duels in PvE, if it’s added then you can expect a decline of players.

That poll above proved everything clear.Majority of people want duels.Minority will leave but more people will come ( or stay to this game).

The majority, from this forum, as that is the only place you will see this straw poll do not play the game. Therefore the input they have have doesn’t matter. Ask the people in game – you will find people opposed to Duels.

Besides, you can duel already in sPvP – but then the tables are equaled because you can’t use your Ascended items there. That is the thing these people DON’T WANT.

Jerus.4350:

Here’s just one little problem.

If they do this they’ll have accepted 1v1 as a legitimate play style. Meaning you have to balance around it. For now they focus more on larger scale fighting where a bit of teamwork is more the focus.

Just saying, it’d make them have to balance around 1v1 as well as 5v5, full scale combat in WvW and PVE. Just… one more place to have balancing… I understand why they’re hesitant.

But why should they not strive to make classes as balanced as possible? Or implement parameters to assist with this? 1v1 is not a rare occurance after all.