Guild Wars 2

i mean, when you think about it, kittens are the way to go.

Plenty of different species out there to include. And we can even go so far as ghost kitten, mordrem kitten, etc

People would spend plenty of gems for kittens

Soleil.1304:

Endless Soul.5178:

Pandaman.4758:

Raziel.4216:

Soleil.1304:

Raziel.4216:

Arenanet has introduced lore, updates, income and variety with a lot of different methods that do not require mounts, these benefits are not worth it in the dev’s eyes, why? Could be a lot of reasons, I’d guess it’s one of these:
a) The % of the population that wants it is way too small.
b) It goes agaisn’t their design philosophy.

No

Raziel.4216:

Horse has been beaten over and over and over again, let it die. It’s not happening, if it’s THAT important to you then feel free to move on to a game that meets your mount needs.

No. I already said why.

”That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”
Hitchen’s Razor.

You’ve yet to show any correlation that supports anything you claim, this has been pointed out multiple times in the last page, saying “nanananaaaa I’m right !!” is not an argument.

After three pages of this nonsense I think we should just leave the OP alone. This isn’t the thread you want to be in if you want an actual, intelligent discussion.

Yep, came to that conclusion about halfway through the first page.

Why hasn’t this been merged with the well-known Mounts thread by now? Are the mods on vacation?

Again, it’s not about just the mount. It’s about saving this game. Stock prices are still too low. And, mounts would be a natural pleasant boost to the income as well as the lore.

Here is the problem: You haven’t explained why mounts would be better at saving the game, generating income and enhancing lore than anything else that Anet could create. Frankly, I think mounts as you suggest them is not a well thought out idea; with the abundance of spped buffs, it’s very unlikely someone will pay gems to get an effect most professions have access too as part of their regular toolset.

You haven’t considered opportunity cost, value for money, nor have you considered how Anet has been developing the game over the last three years. Your whole proposal shows a significant lack of understanding. The whole idea that mounts, that offer practically nothing, would boost sales so significantly compared to other things in the GS, enough so to ‘save’ the game is completely preposterous. At this point, I can only think you believe people are just stupid enough to believe you or you have no idea WTH your talking about.

Furthermore, stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game or a money earner. Just throwing mounts into the Gemstore is not a solution to whatever you think ails the game.

Serophous.9085:

i mean, when you think about it, kittens are the way to go.

Plenty of different species out there to include. And we can even go so far as ghost kitten, mordrem kitten, etc

People would spend plenty of gems for kittens

I’d pay for kittens.

there can be player events for gathering about with kittens, and maybe implementing code so the kittens play with each other.

The next step would of course give out kitten toys to play with your kitten and keep them happy, maybe even food and stuff like the Tamagotchi. Perfect way to get some etc income

Endless Soul.5178:

Serophous.9085:

i mean, when you think about it, kittens are the way to go.

Plenty of different species out there to include. And we can even go so far as ghost kitten, mordrem kitten, etc

People would spend plenty of gems for kittens

I’d pay for kittens.

course they would! But we need to have some kittens collectable in the game world too.

We can make a kitten collector collection which the prize is a pretty pink or blue bow you can tie to your kitten. You have to transverse tyria, finding kittens stuck in trees, wells, or cornered by beasts

Obtena.7952:

Stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game.

Well, since ArenaNet is a privately traded company it doesn’t have a public listing and thus none of us would know what its price is, but let’s not let facts get in the way of anything.

Also stop picking on Soleil.

Gliding is mounts done right in my opinion.

Obnoxious sparkly horses / dragons etc that offer no unique gameplay other than a movement speed increase and a way to show off your kitten are something gw2 can do without.

Serophous.9085:

Endless Soul.5178:

Serophous.9085:

i mean, when you think about it, kittens are the way to go.

Plenty of different species out there to include. And we can even go so far as ghost kitten, mordrem kitten, etc

People would spend plenty of gems for kittens

I’d pay for kittens.

course they would! But we need to have some kittens collectable in the game world too.

We can make a kitten collector collection which the prize is a pretty pink or blue bow you can tie to your kitten. You have to transverse tyria, finding kittens stuck in trees, wells, or cornered by beasts

Ooo could there be one of those orange, white, and brown Calico kittens?

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

And then some of the really nice people can give away kittens as gifts or prizes for contests.

And when they run out, they can say “sorry folks! I’ve run out of kittens to give!”

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

Pandaman.4758:

Obtena.7952:

Stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game.

Well, since ArenaNet is a privately traded company it doesn’t have a public listing and thus none of us would know what its price is, but let’s not let facts get in the way of anything.

Also stop picking on Soleil.

Look up NCsoft and Anet. You can find them. You’re welcome.

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

No

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

No

Yes. You said we could talk about ideas to save the game.

Kittens will save the game

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

No

Yes. You said we could talk about ideas to save the game.

Kittens will save the game

No

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

See? Totally following your own rules set. Saving the game.

Kittens

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Lets talk more about kittens cause its the real way to save the game.

No

Yes. You said we could talk about ideas to save the game.

Kittens will save the game

No

yes

Soleil.1304:

Pandaman.4758:

Obtena.7952:

Stock prices are not an indication of how GW2 performs as a game.

Well, since ArenaNet is a privately traded company it doesn’t have a public listing and thus none of us would know what its price is, but let’s not let facts get in the way of anything.

Also stop picking on Soleil.

Look up NCsoft and Anet. You can find them. You’re welcome.

Shh, shh, it’s okay, we’ll just wave the make believe wand and pretend NCSoft is the same as ANet, and that they aren’t a publishing company that has other products that influence its profitability.

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

I don’t understand what that has to do with lore at all. Just because it’s completely reasonable for the races to ride mounts doesn’t automatically lead anyone to conclude it MUST be introduced to the game for players and that it enhances lore.

If you JUST want to argue based on lore, then the obvious question is if mounts are the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed to improve lore. I’m doubtful it is. In fact, I can’t even understand how the ability to ride a mount affects lore at all. Is my story or immersion enhanced if I’m on a horse, or whatever animal you want to mount? That’s a pretty weak basis to argue for mounts.

You can’t ignore the business side here. Nothing you have written in this thread makes me or anyone else think that mounts are the silver bullet to save the game, especially based on lore. Especially since you haven’t thought of impacts of such a development would require for resources. Not to mention you don’t understand the fact that your basing your whole argument off a poor stock price for a company that doesn’t have publicly traded stocks to begin with. ><

If you know anything about investor pressure, you’ll know what I mean. All the investors who invested in June looking forward to the release date stock rise are probably furious that they lost more than 10% and still haven’t climbed back up even though the release happened a long time ago. I admit it is still on the rise, but it still hasn’t hit the goal even with all the gemstore item releases.

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

more money =/= better game. Or else WoW would never have fallen as much as it has

Interesting you should mention WoW…

One of the main reasons WoW lost half of its playerbase, in WoD, was because Blizzard removed flying.

It’s not the only reason, by any means, but it’s one of the main ones.

Taking something away is worse than not adding it, certainly, but still.

The WoW situation illustrates that most people do care about mounts.

In that case, their grounded flying mounts, specifically.

As I say, I wouldn’t expect much support for this suggestion, on this forum.

As this is a private forum, for people who have bought the game and/or HoT and is, mostly, full of the people who still remain in the game, despite it being mount-free.

I doubt many of the people who left the game still post on here, very often…

…and obviously, the people who never joined the game, in the first place, due to it not having mounts, don’t (as they can’t).

So, this forum can never hope to reflect the typical views of most of the gamers who could be potential customers.

I don’t personally mind if Anet want to remain niche, from this point of view.

As I say, I’m not mount obsessed and I’m not a shareholder, so it doesn’t directly affect me.

But, if they have been acting like it’s the right choice, from a purely maximising profits point of view, they are almost certainly incorrect.

As Blizzard’s experiences, over the last year or two, have clearly shown.

Soleil.1304:

If you know anything about investor pressure, you’ll know what I mean. All the investors who invested in June looking forward to the release date stock rise are probably furious that they lost more than 10% and still haven’t climbed back up even though the release happened a long time ago. I admit it is still on the rise, but it still hasn’t hit the goal even with all the gemstore item releases.

exactly why there needs to be more kittens. Heck the model is already in the game, so its even cost efficient!

Kittens are the way to go for gem sales!

Tigaseye.2047:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Blude.6812:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Mounts-merged/first

OLD conversation.

Mods please merge.

This is not a conversation only about mounts. It’s also about saving this game.

I for one know for sure that if ANET makes more money, the better the game will become. Skilled engineers working on a game that’s already good is a recipe for success.

Again, this is about saving the game and mounts is a MUST for that. I’ve already agreed to many posts suggesting other improvements. Mounts is an easy addition that will change gw2 for the better forever.

more money =/= better game. Or else WoW would never have fallen as much as it has

Interesting you should mention WoW…

One of the main reasons WoW lost half of its playerbase, in WoD, was because Blizzard removed flying.

It’s not the only reason, by any means, but it’s one of the main ones.

Taking something away is worse than not adding it, certainly, but still.

The WoW situation illustrates that most people do care about mounts.

In that case, their grounded flying mounts, specifically.

As I say, I wouldn’t expect much support for this suggestion, on this forum.

As this is a private forum, for people have bought the game and/or HoT and is, mostly, full of the people who still remain in the game, despite it being mount-free.

I doubt many of the people who left the game still post on here, very often…

…and obviously, the people who never joined the game, in the first place, due to it not having mounts, don’t (as they can’t).

So, this forum can never hope to reflect the typical views of most of the gamers who could be potential customers.

I don’t personally mind if Anet want to remain niche, from this point of view.

As I say, I’m not mount obsessed and I’m not a shareholder, so it doesn’t directly affect me.

But, if they have been acting like it’s the right choice, from a purely maximising profits point of view, they are almost certainly incorrect.

As Blizzard’s experiences, over the last year or two, have clearly shown.

And what has blizzard been doing to make up for profits? Putting more stuff in their store. What do they put out more than mounts? PETS!

Again, this all comes back to needing more kittens in the gem store

I’m not keen on mounts. I shudder to think of what would happen to the systems of those who experience rendering issues with just player models. Imagine a herd of players racing to an event, with twice the models on screen due to mounts.

If not for that I’d be OK with mounts that were slower than the 25% speed boosts from traits and skills, maybe at +15% like in WS/ESO, iirc. I prefer that the opportunity costs of the 25% or 33% speed boosts be preserved.

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Uhh…the overlooked goldmine is kittens.

Again.

People will pay out the wazoo for kittens than mounts because kittens can be with you all the time. Thats the real goldmine

-_- I don’t even…

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Uhh…the overlooked goldmine is kittens.

Again.

People will pay out the wazoo for kittens than mounts because kittens can be with you all the time. Thats the real goldmine

-_- I don’t even…

Its ok, you were blinded by mounts that you missed the obvious.

The models are already in the game, all they need are retexturing, and BOOM! Kittens everywhere!

Obtena.7952:

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

I don’t understand what that has to do with lore at all. Just because it’s completely reasonable for the races to ride mounts doesn’t automatically lead anyone to conclude it MUST be introduced to the game for players and that it enhances lore.

If you JUST want to argue based on lore, then the obvious question is if mounts are the most pressing issue that needs to be addressed to improve lore. I’m doubtful it is. In fact, I can’t even understand how the ability to ride a mount affects lore at all. Is my story or immersion enhanced if I’m on a horse, or whatever animal you want to mount? That’s a pretty weak basis to argue for mounts.

You can’t ignore the business side here. Nothing you have written in this thread makes me or anyone else think that mounts are the silver bullet to save the game, especially based on lore. Especially since you haven’t thought of impacts of such a development would require for resources. Not to mention you don’t understand the fact that your basing your whole argument off a poor stock price for a company that doesn’t have publicly traded stocks to begin with. ><

It’s clear that you don’t understand. Thanks for trying though.

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Soleil.1304:

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

But that’s not the title of the thread, its about mounts saving the game. Then you said that it doesnt have to be about mounts but ways to save the game.

In which case, Kittens

Soleil.1304:

If you know anything about investor pressure, you’ll know what I mean. All the investors who invested in June looking forward to the release date stock rise are probably furious that they lost more than 10% and still haven’t climbed back up even though the release happened a long time ago. I admit it is still on the rise, but it still hasn’t hit the goal even with all the gemstore item releases.

Frankly, I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about since you are referring to details you don’t have unless YOU are one of these investors.

You still haven’t shown anyone that out of all the things Anet could put in a gemstore, that mounts that will fix these stock prices that only you and the investors seem to have details for.

Qugi.2653:

Soleil.1304 is trolling everyone in thread very much. Funny you do not see this and still respond. . Every time you argue with Soleil you feed dead horse argue. Let thread die. Best can do.

No

Qugi.2653:

Soleil.1304 is trolling everyone in thread very much. Funny you do not see this and still respond. . Every time you argue with Soleil you feed dead horse argue. Let thread die. Best can do.

Maybe that’s his plan, he wants an undead horse mount!

Obtena.7952:

Soleil.1304:

If you know anything about investor pressure, you’ll know what I mean. All the investors who invested in June looking forward to the release date stock rise are probably furious that they lost more than 10% and still haven’t climbed back up even though the release happened a long time ago. I admit it is still on the rise, but it still hasn’t hit the goal even with all the gemstore item releases.

Frankly, I don’t think you have any idea what you’re talking about since you are referring to details you don’t have unless YOU are one of these investors.

You still haven’t shown anyone that out of all the things Anet could put in a gemstore, that mounts that will fix these stock prices that only you and the investors seem to have details for.

He just doesn’t want to admit that I found the real answer that over shadows his mounts

Seriously, a tiger striped dragon kitty with horns and wings and an idle animation that it hiccups a breath of flame. ANET TAKE MY MONEY!

Soleil.1304:

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Anyway, if this is about lore now, shouldn’t a new thread be started in the Lore forums or this one moved and retitled?

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Anyway, if this is about lore now, shouldn’t a new thread be started in the Lore forums or this one moved and retitled?

No, this thread is discussing a lot of issues at once. It will save this game in the end.

Soleil.1304:

It’s clear that you don’t understand. Thanks for trying though.

Funny, you only want to talk lore, then when I challenge your idea from a lore standpoint, you blow me off like I’m too stupid to understand whatever explanation you could give me that links riding animals to lore (which you haven’t done yet, which you need to do if you do want people to talk only about lore for your idea).

It’s your argument; you need to explain your correlation between lore and mounts better, because if I’m not getting it, you’re doing a bad job. It’s interesting you’re implying I don’t understand, but you can’t explain how out of all the things ANet could offer in the GS, mounts are THE saving feature for the game. Trust us, we aren’t hen pecked morons. If you’re so certain and you have this all figured out, it should be easy for you to do so.

BTW, if your going to throw numbers around for whatever data you think is relevant , provide links so people can access your data. You’re not credible at this point; these are your first posts on this forum and I don’t think you have the experience ingame or out to make sensible suggestions anyone should listen to. You’re not saving any time by throwing around arguments to whatever issue you want to confound people with at your leisure.

Soleil.1304:

Serophous.9085:

Soleil.1304:

Going back to the OP and the reason for me still being here:

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Anyway, if this is about lore now, shouldn’t a new thread be started in the Lore forums or this one moved and retitled?

No, this thread is discussing a lot of issues at once. It will save this game in the end.

I agree. Once kittens are implemented

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-2016-A-message-to-devs-and-players/first

this thread will give you a better idea of the downward spiral that needs to be stopped. Only mounts can do it.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

Obtena.7952:

Soleil.1304:

It’s clear that you don’t understand. Thanks for trying though.

Funny, you only want to talk lore, then when I challenge your idea from a lore standpoint, you blow me off like I’m too stupid to understand whatever explanation you could give me that links riding animals to lore (which you haven’t done yet, which you need to do if you do want people to talk only about lore for your idea).

It’s your argument; you need to explain your correlation between lore and mounts better, because if I’m not getting it, you’re doing a bad job.

You sound like a college student who slept through the class. Stop. Read the entire thread. Then come back.

I’ve done a wonderful job, it is you that is lacking. Sorry.

Obtena.7952:

BTW, if your going to throw numbers around for whatever data you think is relevant , provide links so people can access your data. You’re not credible at this point; these are your first posts on this forum and I don’t think you have the experience ingame or out to make sensible suggestions anyone should listen to. You’re not saving any time by throwing around arguments to whatever issue you want to confound people with at your leisure.

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Nothing in that link is a stock price and furthermore, that’s NCSoft financial report, not ANet; this just reinforces the fact you don’t understand the relationship these two companies have and how one impacts the other. Let’s put aside the fact you have no idea about the ‘business’ stuff. Let’s move on to what you wanted to focus on:

I’m still waiting for you to explain how mounts is the only thing that will save the game … based on a logical argument related to lore.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Obtena.7952:

Nothing in that link is a stock price and furthermore, that’s NCSoft, not ANet. I’m still waiting for you to explain how mounts is the only thing that will save the game … based on a logical argument related to lore.

Look up NCsoft. Seriously, if you don’t do your homework this time, I’m throwing the book at you.

Soleil.1304:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Fiscal Quarter 3 goes from July 1 through September 30. That means anyone who pre-ordered or bought HoT after September 30th are not included in those numbers. And given how slowly ANet trickled information out, could be a large portion of players. There was a content drought in 2015 so that also affected sales for 2015 Fiscal Quarter 3. If 2016 Quarter 1 numbers are down, then there will be a stronger case for ANet being in trouble. 2016 Quarter 4 numbers will likely be up due to HoT’s release.

Obtena.7952:

Nothing in that link is a stock price and furthermore, that’s NCSoft financial report, not ANet; this just reinforces the fact you don’t understand the relationship these two companies have and how one impacts the other. Let’s put aside the fact you have no idea about the ‘business’ stuff. Let’s move on to what you wanted to focus on:

I’m still waiting for you to explain how mounts is the only thing that will save the game … based on a logical argument related to lore.

I never said that it was the “only” thing. I only claimed that it is “the” thing. A good income will trickle down to resolving the other issues as well. A well-paid engineer can do amazing things a low-budget one will give you low-quality results. None of us want that. As players, we should invest in the game ourselves. Starting with mounts.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Fiscal Quarter 3 goes from July 1 through September 30. That means anyone who pre-ordered or bought HoT after September 30th are not included in those numbers. And given how slowly ANet trickled information out, could be a large portion of players. There was a content drought in 2015 so that also affected sales for 2015 Fiscal Quarter 3. If 2016 Quarter 1 numbers are down, then there will be a stronger case for ANet being in trouble. 2016 Quarter 4 numbers will likely be up due to HoT’s release.

NCsoft’s current stock prices say no to that.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

Is that right? You didn’t say the ONLY thing?

Soleil.1304:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-2016-A-message-to-devs-and-players/first

this thread will give you a better idea of the downward spiral that needs to be stopped. Only mounts can do it.

This is the challenge I’ve already put to you that you refuse to address; WHY mounts? You claim only mounts will save this game from ‘sinking stock prices’ (I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you mispoke or made an inappropriate correlation between NCSoft and Anet here). Why not something else like a gathering tool that has a chance to drop a needed materials or something else more relevant to the gameplay? Mounts would be such a nothing feature in this game.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Fiscal Quarter 3 goes from July 1 through September 30. That means anyone who pre-ordered or bought HoT after September 30th are not included in those numbers. And given how slowly ANet trickled information out, could be a large portion of players. There was a content drought in 2015 so that also affected sales for 2015 Fiscal Quarter 3. If 2016 Quarter 1 numbers are down, then there will be a stronger case for ANet being in trouble. 2016 Quarter 4 numbers will likely be up due to HoT’s release.

NCsoft’s current stock prices say no to that.

Stocks can go down because of corporate problems. The stocks could be going down due to one of the other games under NCSoft’s banner. You can’t say the stocks going down are due to GW2.