Guild Wars 2

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/04/ncsoft-q3-2015-financial-report-guild-wars-2-wildstar-all-game-sales-down/

There. You person who can’t do their own research. What has your mother taught you? Do your homework!

I can’t baby sit you and tutor you and have a convo about saving this game all at the same time.

Fiscal Quarter 3 goes from July 1 through September 30. That means anyone who pre-ordered or bought HoT after September 30th are not included in those numbers. And given how slowly ANet trickled information out, could be a large portion of players. There was a content drought in 2015 so that also affected sales for 2015 Fiscal Quarter 3. If 2016 Quarter 1 numbers are down, then there will be a stronger case for ANet being in trouble. 2016 Quarter 4 numbers will likely be up due to HoT’s release.

NCsoft’s current stock prices say no to that.

Stocks can go down because of corporate problems. The stocks could be going down due to one of the other games under NCSoft’s banner. You can’t say the stocks going down are due to GW2.

you can look at GW2 specific numbers. They’re all going down.

Your idea is not a solution because you don’t know if it would generate more income than it would cost to create. Furthermore, you don’t know if there is something for the same cost that would generate MORE income than mounts. I would be pretty sure that there are LOTS of features Anet could create that would generate more income than mounts AND cost less to develop.

Obtena.7952:

Is that right? You didn’t say the ONLY thing?

Soleil.1304:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-2016-A-message-to-devs-and-players/first

this thread will give you a better idea of the downward spiral that needs to be stopped. Only mounts can do it.

This is the challenge I’ve already put to you that you refuse to address; WHY mounts? You claim only mounts will save this game from ‘sinking stock prices’ (I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you mispoke or made an inappropriate correlation between NCSoft and Anet here). Why not something else like a gathering tool that has a chance to drop a needed materials or something else more relevant to the gameplay? Mounts would be such a nothing feature in this game.

Take it into context. This is regarding the downward spiral. And I truly believe mounts are the simplest and most cost effective way to do it.

The GW2 game as whole needs a lot of work beyond just mounts to have the perfect fix.

So not just mounts as a whole. But for the downward spiral, mounts is the turning point they need. Something fresh, something new, something a lot of people want, and simple and easy. Also, something people are willing to pay a lot for. This has been proven by other mmos. People pay a lot for mounts, we all know this.

Obtena.7952:

Your idea is not a solution because you don’t know if it would generate more income than it would cost to create. Furthermore, you don’t know if there is something for the same cost that would generate MORE income than mounts.

Yes I do. The animal models are already there. Turning them into mounts is not hard. I’ve studied Graphical Design my Sophomore year for my Bachelor’s. I know it’s easy when you already have the model in place.

You claim that I don’t know if there is anything else out there. That is a very weak argument. At least I am suggesting a viable option. And it will add income no doubt. Every MMO games have made money off mounts. You can’t deny this.

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

Is that right? You didn’t say the ONLY thing?

Soleil.1304:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/GW2-2016-A-message-to-devs-and-players/first

this thread will give you a better idea of the downward spiral that needs to be stopped. Only mounts can do it.

This is the challenge I’ve already put to you that you refuse to address; WHY mounts? You claim only mounts will save this game from ‘sinking stock prices’ (I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you mispoke or made an inappropriate correlation between NCSoft and Anet here). Why not something else like a gathering tool that has a chance to drop a needed materials or something else more relevant to the gameplay? Mounts would be such a nothing feature in this game.

Take it into context. This is regarding the downward spiral. And I truly believe mounts are the simplest and most cost effective way to do it.

The GW2 game as whole needs a lot of work beyond just mounts to have the perfect fix.

So not just mounts as a whole. But for the downward spiral, mounts is the turning point they need. Something fresh, something new, something a lot of people want, and simple and easy. Also, something people are willing to pay a lot for. This has been proven by other mmos. People pay a lot for mounts, we all know this.

But are they willing to spend a lot of money on a game they don’t like the direction of? That they have more issues with than the lack of mounts?

If the game constantly crashes or has low FPS for you are you willing to spend the money for 1700 gems to buy a mount that won’t stop the crashing and/or isn’t going to look pretty due to your FPS issue workaround or only makes your FPS issue worse?

If you’re angry at the WvW or PvP situation but play PvE regularly still, are you going to be willing to give ANet money for mounts without some positive solution for those areas of the game?

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

To be honest, I think your whole thread is just a poorly disguised attempt to complain that GW2 doesn’t have mounts. Your arguments are just soo weak, thin and some cases, irrelevant.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Soleil.1304:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Soleil.1304:

LastHope.8127:

People argument against mounts because we have waypoints. Mounts should be rewarded AFTER 100% map completion so that A: people do the map completion and B: if you make an alt you don’t have to go trough the painstakingly slow progress of walking around the entire world again.

I hate map completion so I don’t like this idea. However, it does keep the waypoints useful. Just one more idea to throw in, but I think we still agree: mounts would be an exciting update.

For a minority.

No, just no. We have enough posts to support the claim that it is more in the majority.

Not really. In the main mount thread, most of the posts are people saying no with one of three animated gifs of someone hitting a dead horse.

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering. I can think of two that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

To add to this:

And gem sales may go up if they open up lines of communication and tell us about future plans for WvW or the crashing or the FPS issues. Because WvW has been playing second fiddle for too long and is literally dying due to it’s current state. I don’t know about you, but a game where I crash all the time or I have horrible FPS issues, I’m not too willing to fork over the money.

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

Nothing in that link is a stock price and furthermore, that’s NCSoft financial report, not ANet; this just reinforces the fact you don’t understand the relationship these two companies have and how one impacts the other. Let’s put aside the fact you have no idea about the ‘business’ stuff. Let’s move on to what you wanted to focus on:

I’m still waiting for you to explain how mounts is the only thing that will save the game … based on a logical argument related to lore.

I never said that it was the “only” thing. I only claimed that it is “the” thing. A good income will trickle down to resolving the other issues as well. A well-paid engineer can do amazing things a low-budget one will give you low-quality results. None of us want that. As players, we should invest in the game ourselves. Starting with mounts.

The thing is, I’ve already spent enough on this game, that I really shouldn’t spend any more for about 2 years…

But, that is because I joined later than most, am into fashion and minis and stuff, don’t have multiple cheap accounts to milk for log-in rewards, didn’t enjoy speedrunning dungeons and don’t enjoy playing the TP.

So, they have already got plenty out of people like me (i.e. mainly women, frankly), but I know that there are other players, mostly male players, who love mounts and who would, almost certainly, be tempted by them, if they were good looking and functional.

TBH, it’s probably already too late, for many of the existing players, though…

As many of them have this multiple log-in rewards thing sewn-up, to the extent where they don’t need to ever buy anything with real money, ever again (if they ever even did).

That is why Anet should really have done this before.

Before they put the original game on deep discount sale and made it, essentially, free to make gold, for anyone who took advantage of that, just by logging on every day and spending their laurels cleverly.

Not saying they couldn’t still make money from the right mounts; they almost certainly could.

But, they would have to attract new players; ones without multiple accounts.

The mounts might be enough to do that, or they might not, at this point.

As I say, from a financial perspective, they really should have done this earlier.

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Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

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Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

I’m not 100% against mounts but saying anything will save the game and then putting it in the gem store as you suggest shows the gap between players of this game.

The gem store is why things aren’t right. Free to Play exists entirely because they want fresh gem sales and all development of GW2 going forward will be with an eye to converting the unpaid horde into purchasers not just of the game but of gems. Old players already have bag slots and character slots so the best potential gem customer is a new player.

Save the game with a gem store item? I’d pass.

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Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

You’re not saying anything substantial here; Yes, we know that we have the option to buy things we like in the GS and not buy things we don’t. That’s not in question. What we are talking about is how mounts compare to other offerings Anet could introduce in the GS.

I’ve provided two examples of what I believe would be easier, more cost effective and generate more revenue than mounts. I’m challenging the idea that your thread’s intention is to ‘help’ Anet make money with a poorly thought out suggestion to sell mounts in the GS.

Actually I am pretty sure mounts will come soon or later because ANet will make millions from gems to buy mounts at BLTC.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

We just bought an expansion that broke more than it fixed, and watched Anet go Free To Play with our Buy To Play core game. You want us to buy gems…. No.

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Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

RedBaron.6058:

Actually I am pretty sure mounts will come soon or later because ANet will make millions from gems to buy mounts at BLTC.

Exactly my hope. What I am saying is… now’s the perfect time to do it. No strings attached, just ANET’s present to the community. Something new, something fresh, something fun.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

We just bought an expansion that broke more than it fixed, and watched Anet go Free To Play with our Buy To Play core game. You want us to buy gems…. No.

Be patient, they’ll prove themselves. They always have.

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

Throwing money at a problem doesn’t fix the problem. How that money is spent is how the problem is fixed. If ANet doesn’t put the money towards the problem, the problem doesn’t get fixed. We unfortunately can’t tag our money as “only to be used to fix WvW issues” or “to fix crashing issues only”. ANet gets free reign over how it spends the money.

Soleil.1304:

RedBaron.6058:

Actually I am pretty sure mounts will come soon or later because ANet will make millions from gems to buy mounts at BLTC.

Exactly my hope. What I am saying is… now’s the perfect time to do it. No strings attached, just ANET’s present to the community. Something new, something fresh, something fun.

To be clear, presents aren’t COD.

Soleil.1304:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

We just bought an expansion that broke more than it fixed, and watched Anet go Free To Play with our Buy To Play core game. You want us to buy gems…. No.

Be patient, they’ll prove themselves. They always have.

Not the same company.

Huh? we already have broomstick and flying carpet…but I guess a rideable centaur would not hurt XD …if mount would be a thing make it like broomstick and flying carpet, where your speed is not affected by it, please.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

Throwing money at a problem doesn’t fix the problem. How that money is spent is how the problem is fixed. If ANet doesn’t put the money towards the problem, the problem doesn’t get fixed. We unfortunately can’t tag our money as “only to be used to fix WvW issues” or “to fix crashing issues only”. ANet gets free reign over how it spends the money.

But at least we get a mount out of it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy a mount. Simple.

Loner.3452:

Huh? we already have broomstick and flying carpet…but I guess a rideable centaur would not hurt XD …if mount would be a thing make it like broomstick and flying carpet, where your speed is not affected by it, please.

I have the carpet already. But to call these mounts… erm that’s just horribad.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

Obtena.7952:

What you believe and what is true are not necessarily the same thing. So when you say ONLY mounts could do this, you simply haven’t thought hard enough or you’re being sensational, because it’s all you have to ‘prove’ what you believe.

I don’t debate people would pay for mounts. The question is how many at what cost.

I don’t see why you think mounts are the simplest and most cost effective feature to implement for GS offering; nothing ingame right now demonstrates the mechanics necessary for mounts. All the collision, animation, artwork, etc… would need to be coded.

On the other hand, I can think of two things that would be hands down even more simple and cost effective than mounts because the mechanic already exists as a Watchwork pick. If we got a harvesting and logging tool that give bonus mats like WW pick, that would sell better than any mount ever would and for a lower development time and cost as well.

I think in a way us as a community are simply just complaining and asking ANET to simply fix all these problems. I don’t think that’s fair for ANET.

I think us as the community need to put our money where our mouth is and actually invest in this game so that the devs can attack those problems effectively.

Mounts gives us the community a good opportunity to do just that. Invest in the game. And mounts are usually one of the highest priced items in MMOs. That’s one of the reasons why I picked it.

We always have the choice not to buy them. We already have speed buffs to get us by. But having the mount available just helps us the community to invest in the game and get something nice out of it too. I honestly think this is a win win situation.

We just bought an expansion that broke more than it fixed, and watched Anet go Free To Play with our Buy To Play core game. You want us to buy gems…. No.

Be patient, they’ll prove themselves. They always have.

Not the same company.

point taken

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

RedBaron.6058:

Actually I am pretty sure mounts will come soon or later because ANet will make millions from gems to buy mounts at BLTC.

Exactly my hope. What I am saying is… now’s the perfect time to do it. No strings attached, just ANET’s present to the community. Something new, something fresh, something fun.

To be clear, presents aren’t COD.

We have plenty of free presents. The holiday events for one is a free gift to us. I’m aiming for an opportunity for the community to give back to the devs. But they have to give us mounts. It’s really their call. So I’m calling it “presents.”

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

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Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

People converting gold to gems do not give ANet money. At all; the money has been accounted for already. So if players are more willing to farm gold to convert to gems than buy gems with real money, then ANet gets no more money.

The willingness of players to spend real money on a game is partially dependent on what direction they feel the company is going in. Someone like Aidenwolf who hates the direction the company is going in (and hate may be an understatement given the post history), is very unlikely to be willing to buy gems to get anything off of the gem store, even if it was the most perfect item for them. Whereas you would be likely to buy gems to buy your perfect item, because you overall like the direction the game is going in (based on your posts, you’re asking for mounts so you can buy them, which means your threshold to buy gems is currently met for the right item).

It’s also dependent on how many gems the item is worth and what the item is.

Loner.3452:

Huh? we already have broomstick and flying carpet…but I guess a rideable centaur would not hurt XD …if mount would be a thing make it like broomstick and flying carpet, where your speed is not affected by it, please.

Problem is, no one seems to use those mounts, as they offer absolutely nothing in terms of functionality and (from what I understand) you are dismounted immediately, on entering combat.

Much as people like nice mounts, they don’t want to feel as though they are totally pointless.

A bit like, it wouldn’t matter how much you liked cars, you would probably still feel silly riding around in one at walking speed.

Especially if it then disappeared, as soon as anyone else even touched it…

So, I think, to be popular, the mounts would have to offer a speed boost and the rider would have to be non-dismountable.

That potential advantage would then have to be off-set by a basic one being provided free in-game (like the basic glider).

My only concern then would be the possibility of even worse lag/fps.

If that could be avoided, somehow, then they would be fine, IMO.

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Soleil.1304:

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Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

True, but my point is made. We need to help ANET help us. That is a true healthy community. This applies to money as well as intellectual suggestions.

Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Okay, let’s talk lore. And bathrooms.

Bathrooms exist in GW2 lore. Not only do we kind of need something along those lines, but there were some NPCs that discussed them back in old Lion’s Arch (before Scarlet blew it up). But as you explore the game, you don’t ever see them, much less get to use one. They’re there, they’re just not shown.

Several things work like this with the lore and the game, mounts are one of them. If you join the Priory, you get to see the ghost of a dwarven drake mount. And let’s not forget Taimi pretty much uses Scruffy as a mount, often riding on his shoulder as he goes where she directs. And, of course, some NPCs in HoT use them. Beyond this, they’re assumed to be there, somewhere in the background but not shown.

Now, why do we, the Player Characters, not use mounts? Well, we have something better, that’s why. And no, I’m not talking about waypoints and asura gates.

You see, taking care of a mount is a lot of work. Food, grooming supplies, riding gear, and figuring out what to do with it when we’re someplace where we can’t have it with us. In Tyria, we can do better than that. We don’t need to bring a faster animal to ride, we can BECOME the faster animal. Wolves, jaguars, snow owls… all it takes is a small potion or charm. Fast as any mount (lore-wise) and smarter too, we can travel the world without the burdens of caring for an animal big enough to carry us. It’s simple, and actually fairly cheap.

It’s not that we’ve not gotten to horses yet, it’s that we’re past that stage thanks to magic.

Serophous.9085:

Seriously, a tiger striped dragon kitty with horns and wings and an idle animation that it hiccups a breath of flame. ANET TAKE MY MONEY!

I’m going to second this bit. I want that mini!

Soleil.1304:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil.1304:

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Soleil.1304:

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Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

True, but my point is made. We need to help ANET help us. That is a true healthy community. This applies to money as well as intellectual suggestions.

I did that with my purchase of HoT. They’re going to have to do more than add mounts to get me willing to spend money on gems.

And who knows if I’m in the majority or if you’re in the majority.

But either way just mounts won’t save the game. They’ll have to solve the problems the game has to save the game.

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Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Okay, let’s talk lore. And bathrooms.

Bathrooms exist in GW2 lore. Not only do we kind of need something along those lines, but there were some NPCs that discussed them back in old Lion’s Arch (before Scarlet blew it up). But as you explore the game, you don’t ever see them, much less get to use one. They’re there, they’re just not shown.

Several things work like this with the lore and the game, mounts are one of them. If you join the Priory, you get to see the ghost of a dwarven drake mount. And let’s not forget Taimi pretty much uses Scruffy as a mount, often riding on his shoulder as he goes where she directs. And, of course, some NPCs in HoT use them. Beyond this, they’re assumed to be there, somewhere in the background but not shown.

Now, why do we, the Player Characters, not use mounts? Well, we have something better, that’s why. And no, I’m not talking about waypoints and asura gates.

You see, taking care of a mount is a lot of work. Food, grooming supplies, riding gear, and figuring out what to do with it when we’re someplace where we can’t have it with us. In Tyria, we can do better than that. We don’t need to bring a faster animal to ride, we can BECOME the faster animal. Wolves, jaguars, snow owls… all it takes is a small potion or charm. Fast as any mount (lore-wise) and smarter too, we can travel the world without the burdens of caring for an animal big enough to carry us. It’s simple, and actually fairly cheap.

It’s not that we’ve not gotten to horses yet, it’s that we’re past that stage thanks to magic.

This argument does not work for Rangers. Sorry I can’t accept this.

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That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

True, but my point is made. We need to help ANET help us. That is a true healthy community. This applies to money as well as intellectual suggestions.

I did that with my purchase of HoT. They’re going to have to do more than add mounts to get me willing to spend money on gems.

And who knows if I’m in the majority or if you’re in the majority.

But either way just mounts won’t save the game. They’ll have to solve the problems the game has to save the game.

For the sake of my OP I have to disagree with you. I truly believe this is the way to saving the game.

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Soleil.1304:

Let’s talk about lore more.

Convince me that, although the mobs in the game use mounts, the intelligent races in GW2 NEVER thought about using mounts because:

Do NOT give me dev answers or mechanics answers here. Lets talk lore.

Okay, let’s talk lore. And bathrooms.

Bathrooms exist in GW2 lore. Not only do we kind of need something along those lines, but there were some NPCs that discussed them back in old Lion’s Arch (before Scarlet blew it up). But as you explore the game, you don’t ever see them, much less get to use one. They’re there, they’re just not shown.

Several things work like this with the lore and the game, mounts are one of them. If you join the Priory, you get to see the ghost of a dwarven drake mount. And let’s not forget Taimi pretty much uses Scruffy as a mount, often riding on his shoulder as he goes where she directs. And, of course, some NPCs in HoT use them. Beyond this, they’re assumed to be there, somewhere in the background but not shown.

Now, why do we, the Player Characters, not use mounts? Well, we have something better, that’s why. And no, I’m not talking about waypoints and asura gates.

You see, taking care of a mount is a lot of work. Food, grooming supplies, riding gear, and figuring out what to do with it when we’re someplace where we can’t have it with us. In Tyria, we can do better than that. We don’t need to bring a faster animal to ride, we can BECOME the faster animal. Wolves, jaguars, snow owls… all it takes is a small potion or charm. Fast as any mount (lore-wise) and smarter too, we can travel the world without the burdens of caring for an animal big enough to carry us. It’s simple, and actually fairly cheap.

It’s not that we’ve not gotten to horses yet, it’s that we’re past that stage thanks to magic.

Yes, so that suits the WoW Druid type player.

The kind of player who enjoys being their own mount.

What about all the players who prefer the idea of having a mount, not being one?

All the non WoW Druids?

If people could become their own vehicles IRL, I bet a lot of people would still prefer the idea of using vehicles; not being them.

I just think this lore is a bit dodgy…

It assumes that being your own transport is always better than using a vehicle.

Which isn’t, necessarily, how most people feel about the situation, at all.

All in all, if we do get mounts that are 1700 gems each. remember don’t blame ANET. Blame me.

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That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

True, but my point is made. We need to help ANET help us. That is a true healthy community. This applies to money as well as intellectual suggestions.

I did that with my purchase of HoT. They’re going to have to do more than add mounts to get me willing to spend money on gems.

And who knows if I’m in the majority or if you’re in the majority.

But either way just mounts won’t save the game. They’ll have to solve the problems the game has to save the game.

For the sake of my OP I have to disagree with you. I truly believe this is the way to saving the game.

You’re seriously saying that fixing the crashing issues or WvW issues won’t go a ways to save the game?

Let’s be realistic here. No one solution will solve the problem. There are too many problems with the game for one solution to fix them all. And ANet’s in serious trouble if it can’t solve the problems that affect peoples’ ability to play the game at a level they enjoy.

Right now, given how low FPS issues are one of the major issues, they really shouldn’t be adding anything to the game that will make that worse. And mounts will very likely make that worse.

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Soleil.1304:

Seera.5916:

Soleil,

That still doesn’t show why the game needs saving. You just claim that it needs saving. And then point to an end result reason. But that’s not that core reason. And until you say what that CORE reason the game needs saving is, there is no way ANY of us can claim that mounts will save or not save the core problem you think the game has.

So, why are stocks falling?

Could be game issues or corporate issues. I will assume you mean game issues as mounts won’t solve corporate issues.

Game issues the game has:

1. Lag
2. Low FPS issues
3. Crashes
4. Too easy/Too hard – aka Difficulty issues
5. Balance issues
6. Way too many WvW issues to list
7. Guild issues
8. Achievement issues (Festive Imbiber)
9. Rewards issues (failing events, rng, etc)
10. Content issues (too much, too fast/too little, too slow)

So which key issue, will mounts begin to address? If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible. If you must expand, have the fewest words possible summary bolded or otherwise easily findable.

Basically keep asking Why is this happening? until you can’t answer it anymore without giving obvious answers.

Why are stocks down? People are unhappy with ANet.

Why are people unhappy with ANet? They are getting a feeling a lot of people have stopped playing GW2.

Why are they sensing that? Because they’re reading several posts about how players are fed up with crashing.

Fed up with crashing is the first time you get to the point where if you ask anymore questions, you’ll get obvious answers. In this case, the reason the stocks are falling’s root cause is the crashes the games has.

So, find the root problem. Then we can discuss if mounts will help fix the problem or not.

Don’t put me in a box of your ten problems. I am dealing with a bigger problem of unnatural lore, built up community disappointment with updates offered, and gem-induced income.

A higher income and more investment will allow more time and employees to handle your 10.

I am pointing out an overlooked goldmine that needs to be addressed in order to help address the rest of the problems.

Mounts will save the game.

Then you missed this line:

If it’s not listed, please let us know specifically in as few words as possible.

I knew there were likely more issues, but I didn’t need to spend 5 years writing an exhaustive list.

But based on this response I can infer you think it’s a money issue. Please let me know if I’m wrong.

Here’s one why path:

Why aren’t they achieving the money they want? Because HoT didn’t sell as well as expected.

Why didn’t HoT sell as well as expected? ANet mismanaged the information stream. The fiasco regarding hero points really hurt the sales combined with not much concrete information was released. Had that information come out sooner, it may not have has as huge of an impact.

So in my mind, ANet being more open with information would save the game. Not mounts.

There are enough people that withhold gem purchases with money based on ANet’s decisions for the game to say that just mounts will save the game. Enough who want mounts may be unwilling to spring the cash to buy the mounts because of other more critical issues they see with the game.

Even their merging of mount threads without a word is an issue. I’d rather then come out and say: “Hey, we’d really like to add mounts but we can’t really come up with a lore based way to do it or with a fair way to handle them that won’t make our problems with lag and FPS worse.” Or a “We don’t plan on adding mounts at this time because we are afraid this will lead to inflation due to fewer people using waypoints and can’t come up with a fair way to tax mount usage. Should someone come up with a solution to both problems, we would look at it and may consider adding mounts at that point.” But just merging it doesn’t say anything to me. It could be a it’s on the table and in the works, so we can’t talk about it; or we don’t want to drive away the large minority by outright saying no.

So: Why does ANet have a money issue?

Answer in as few words as possible. Until we get to what you feel is the core issue, extra words are pointless.

I have no reason to answer this question. It’s not something we can resolve here.

I’m not interested in talking about problems, they have experts who do that already. I am here to suggest a solution. And my solution just happens to be a beautiful one that will make everyone happy.

Your posts are well… just whining

Which means you know it won’t save the game, but are too proud to admit it.

Stop claiming it will make everyone happy when there are people in this post who say it will make them unhappy. Stop speaking for everyone.

To get other PLAYERS behind you, you need to convince us you’ve found one of the problems that ANet’s people have found and that your solution will solve that problem. If ANet’s forum reading people don’t get a sense that your solution is well liked by others, they won’t pass it on to those who are in charge of making the decision on whether or not to add mounts.

So again: Why do you have money problems?

No one has said that it will make them unhappy. The strongest negative emotion was annoyance.

A positive remark about mounts was mentioned by another poster to describe mounts as beautiful and well desired.

I’m winning in terms of community feedback about mounts.

I am giving a solution that will mainly do 2 things.

1. Enrich Lore and Gameplay Enjoyment.
2. Increase income to help ANET work on the major issues more effectively. I already think they’re doing a good job, they just need a good push to help them do it faster and more efficiently. My solution helps that tremendously.

If you really want the answer to your question as to why there’s a money problem then here it is:

It is because the developers have not listened to their community and their suggestions for improvement.

Which includes your suggestions as well Seera. I think you bring up good points. It’s just not relevant to this particular thread is all.

They’ve instead cut back and took the easy road due to budget issues. This caused the initial exodus of players who were the chief income producing agents for ANET. It all spiraled down afterwards.

Ok, we’re getting somewhere.

How does adding mounts solve that problem? Adding mounts is only one suggestion for improvement. Other suggestions have been made for the game. Some contradicting each other. Is every idea no matter how absurd supposed to be added? What do you about ideas that contradict each other?

Your problem I think is a symptom of my problem. Their lack of communication creates the perception that they don’t read threads. Whether that’s true or not, neither of us can say. If they communicated more, we’d know better what ideas would work with their vision of the game and which weren’t. And how to better to lay out the case for our ideas. Do they care more for lore or for balance?

Racial elites have been posted. Lore wise it makes sense. But balance wise that could be an issue. Norn warriors who go the Norn Elite route may end up more powerful than an Asura warrior. While lore wise that makes sense, they did say that racial skills were underpowered because they didn’t want race to become something people used for finding others to party with. So it seems if the two oppose each other, they go for balance.

I see what you mean. However, I really can’t address the balance issues you’re talking about.

I think ANET is doing a good job at balancing. It just takes time so I would ask you to be patient with them.

My goal is to increase income and disposable income at that in order to help them address your concerns faster. We’re aiming at the same goal but going at a different angle. I hope you will see the positive effort of my OP. The end goal is to help ANET do their job well. Which I think they’re already doing. They just need that support push from us the community. And I think the mounts will be well received with a plethora of income opportunities to be had.

Until they figure out the major core issues, any gem sales are likely to be too adversely affected to have any huge affect.

People aren’t going to buy gems if they’re crashing.

People aren’t going to buy mounts if they’re having FPS issues.

People who mostly play WvW aren’t going to be happy to fork over money to ANet for mounts if WvW is still in its current state.

People aren’t going to buy mounts in drove if they have no where to take those mounts (lack of content problem). HoT maps aren’t exactly designed for traditional mounts and flying mounts would negate the entire gliding and mushroom jumping masteries. And anger a lot of players. Someone will ask for flying mounts if non-flying mounts are added. You might not, but someone else will.

Looking at all the people farming for [Winter’s Presence] I’m pretty sure plenty of people will buy the mounts regardless.

But that’s in game progress. Not spending real money. A player’s desire to spend time to farm and a player’s desire to spend real money are not based on the exact same conditions.

I’d be more likely to farm the gold to convert to gems buy a mount than open up my wallet if I had crashing issues or was a WvW player. Which doesn’t give ANet any money.

And you’d have to be very careful with the price of the mount to not make it too out of reach for players who can’t spend money on gems. Otherwise you turn the game into pay to win in that area and that will anger a lot more players, even players who would have otherwise loved collecting or buying mounts.

This is why I mentioned BL weapon skins in the earlier posts. No one will be able to buy all the mounts. And we don’t have to. Just like we don’t have to buy all the BL weapon skins. But we can if we want to.

If people can farm for a legendary which is around 50,000 gems. They can farm out the necessary gold. The gems come from somewhere. Someone has bought them to get gold for their 5th legendary or something. Anything Gem related in the end gives income to ANET. Which is my hidden goal if you want to call it.

You’re linking a legendary’s gem price…. If Anet follow your gem first thinking this game will go fully Free To Play which maybe you want. Gem sales first has done more to hurt this game than any misstep in design ever has or will.

True, but my point is made. We need to help ANET help us. That is a true healthy community. This applies to money as well as intellectual suggestions.

I did that with my purchase of HoT. They’re going to have to do more than add mounts to get me willing to spend money on gems.

And who knows if I’m in the majority or if you’re in the majority.

But either way just mounts won’t save the game. They’ll have to solve the problems the game has to save the game.

For the sake of my OP I have to disagree with you. I truly believe this is the way to saving the game.

You’re seriously saying that fixing the crashing issues or WvW issues won’t go a ways to save the game?

Let’s be realistic here. No one solution will solve the problem. There are too many problems with the game for one solution to fix them all. And ANet’s in serious trouble if it can’t solve the problems that affect peoples’ ability to play the game at a level they enjoy.

Right now, given how low FPS issues are one of the major issues, they really shouldn’t be adding anything to the game that will make that worse. And mounts will very likely make that worse.

Mounts will not make it worse. It is a programming issue. Once it’s fixed, framerate should be regular enough to handle mounts with ease.

Again we are approaching it from different angles. You have no reason to disagree with me at all… I don’t know why you’re still ranting about my OP. If you believe there are better ways than mine, go make your own thread too.

Title it:

Suggestion: Balance and fps issue fix will save the game.

For this thread and for the intents and purposes of this thread, I am fully convinced mounts introduction would save the game from its current situation and allow further restoration of the game. It is a good day for mounts right now. The time is ripe.

Soleil.1304:

Mounts will not make it worse. It is a programming issue. Once it’s fixed, framerate should be regular enough to handle mounts with ease.

Again we are approaching it from different angles. You have no reason to disagree with me at all… I don’t know why you’re still ranting about my OP. If you believe there are better ways than mine, go make your own thread too.

Title it:

Suggestion: Balance and fps issue fix will save the game.

For this thread and for the intents and purposes of this thread, I am fully convinced mounts introduction would save the game from its current situation and allow further restoration of the game. It is a good day for mounts right now. The time is ripe.

You can’t ban people who disagree with your original post from posting why they don’t agree with you.

If the game removes MINIATURES from the screen when too many people are around to keep FPS from tanking more than huge zergs already do, what do you think larger MOUNTS are going to do to the FPS when world bosses occur?

Mounts will very likely make the FPS situation worse.

I have a reason to disagree with you. You have your priorities in the wrong order. If people can’t PLAY the game, they sure aren’t going to be willing or possibly not even ABLE to buy mounts.

Right now, if mounts are added in the manner you suggest, then tons of people will show up to the Frozen Maw on their mounts to fight mounted. I get 50 FPS in Lion’s Arch. I get 7 FPS at Frozen Maw. And we don’t have mounts right now. I can’t imagine how much lower that would be with mounts. And I don’t get to have my little Zojja minature out during Frozen Maw. Because too many minis out affects FPS in a bad way. And I’m not one of the players affected by the FPS issues. I can’t imagine how bad Frozen Maw is for those who ARE affected by the FPS issues. And we don’t have mounts now. I can’t even imagine in the slightest how bad it would be for them if mounts were added for Frozen Maw.

And just fixing the crashing and FPS issues won’t save the game so I’m not going to make a thread with that title.

Like I said: ANet’s got so many problems with the game right now, that fixing just one or two of them is not going to save the game. They’re going to have to do a lot of work and fix a lot of problems in order to save the game. And they better fix the problems that affect the ability to play the game before they add anything that might make those problems worse. It’s all about priorities.

Right now a watchwork type gathering/harvesting/mining tool will be a better item to put in the gem store than mounts. Because that isn’t going to grossly affect the FPS of players.

Or evening adding SAB back on a permanent basis. That would be a positive step that wouldn’t cause more problems. They could even return the infinite continue coin to the store if they decided to put SAB back online. They don’t even have to immediately add more levels given how long it’s been gone, especially considering how the camera changes have caused fixes to be needed to be made to bring it back.

1. “mini’s are hidden due to player population”
2. reduction of “visual clutter” which also affects general open world pve

and you ask for mounts ? I agree with Seera above. Mounts aren’t going to ‘save the game’ (if it needs saving at all) , decent gameplay is.

Soleil.1304:

The problems you just mentioned really aren’t problems at all. At this point, it just sounds like you’re whining about a problem only you foresee just for the sake of arguing against a change. I don’t like your opinion for this reason.

Ah, understandable but if anything other MMOs, noteably WoW which added flying mounts early in the game and made fast mounts ubiquitous instead of a luxury, have shown that this is a very real thing.

Honestly you can accept those drawbacks, sure. It does however make a different in how the open worlds feels to play in, seriously. The reason I mention that is specifically because HoT made the open world more dangerous. It seems to be the opposite design direction, and “open world PvE is way too braindead simple” is one of the most common complaints we’ve seen pre-HoT.

Now it’s still easy, but not entirely braindead.

This would – probably – imply that the devs are going to repeat this, going forward. Hence any addition of something which allows you to ride past enemies should be balanced against the difficulty.

One easy option is to make mounts 50% speed, nonstacking, and automatically dismount in combat. This would mean that having a mount and not having one is a skin-only thing, as the effective run speed is the same (the OOC boost is 50%).

Carighan.6758:

Soleil.1304:

The problems you just mentioned really aren’t problems at all. At this point, it just sounds like you’re whining about a problem only you foresee just for the sake of arguing against a change. I don’t like your opinion for this reason.

Ah, understandable but if anything other MMOs, noteably WoW which added flying mounts early in the game and made fast mounts ubiquitous instead of a luxury, have shown that this is a very real thing.

Honestly you can accept those drawbacks, sure. It does however make a different in how the open worlds feels to play in, seriously. The reason I mention that is specifically because HoT made the open world more dangerous. It seems to be the opposite design direction, and “open world PvE is way too braindead simple” is one of the most common complaints we’ve seen pre-HoT.

Now it’s still easy, but not entirely braindead.

This would – probably – imply that the devs are going to repeat this, going forward. Hence any addition of something which allows you to ride past enemies should be balanced against the difficulty.

One easy option is to make mounts 50% speed, nonstacking, and automatically dismount in combat. This would mean that having a mount and not having one is a skin-only thing, as the effective run speed is the same (the OOC boost is 50%).

This problem is solved if you let us battle on top of our mounts. That’s what Cavalry does, fight while mounted. It’s quite natural to a reasonable lore.

So answer the question any and every game designer is gonna ask: what to you intend to replace all the traits, signets, and runes you just obsoleted with?

Speed exists in this game, it has considerable value, and it’s achievable at considerable cost. How do you see mounts fitting into that other than as a pure gimme that wrecks a considerable number of systems?

In order to properly introduce mounted combat you would have to add an entirely new layer of complexity to the combat system. The combat system itself has enough rough edges and bugs at its current state and don’t get me started on balancing. Even if the engine could handle it, it would mostly add another layer of chaos that’s not really needed.