Guild Wars 2

Players log
2012-10-21

07:30

The three guilds I’m currently in are empty. I take a survey, four people respond when I ask in map chat who’s out there I run around through several empty dynamic events. The game is built with dynamic events being a critical component of story delivery, but they aren’t designed to be solo-able.

I could try my luck, crack my armor, spend my in-game savings. This is so frustrating. I do a few heart quest, one has me gathering items and taking them back to an NPC, I get bored quickly. I try for the next chapter of my personal story but fail it. It wants me to be two levels higher than I currently am. My armor isn’t good enough, have to grind….

08:30

I’m in Lions Arch selling loot and doing a little crafting. My loot is mostly whites and blues. trash items. I take what bronze I can get. I’m bored, going to check out the human starter area maybe there are other players there in zone for my level.

I arrive in Divinity’s Reach. Mostly a ghost town. I step outside. I cross the bridge and run past the sprinklers on the hill. Other players! Rangers with bears! A lot of rangers with bears I run with them, but they don’t respond to my local chat. . I don’t like this group, I move on.

In the swamps I see a very large creature spawn. He’s huge. We have three others players here trying to take him down, but simply not enough to make it work. We all die many times before giving up the fight.

09:30

Signing out…

Glad I’m not alone out there…
Or rather: sad that I am alone out there.

Maybe try..

Saturday Night, 0230 still drinking beer in the club

Sunday, lunch time, waking up.

Honestly 0730 on a Sunday morning and there are no players on? Who would have thought that…

Xericor.9103:

Maybe try..

Saturday Night, 0230 still drinking beer in the club

Sunday, lunch time, waking up.

Honestly 0730 on a Sunday morning and there are no players on? Who would have thought that…

Right because the times you are able to sign-in to play should dictate your play experience… If you don’t intend to play in peek hours, don’t expect to have an enjoyable experience silly.

Before being released, guild wars 2 went into a state religion (as I say), wich means, theres no point coming here and posting facts, however sad they are, there always come believers to say that the game is great, all are having fun, and there’s nothing wrong going on, the problem is only with yourself.

Lol you tried communicating with bots ^_^ With bots you should always anticipate where they’re going, do enough damage for loot, run to the next group of mobs, rinse, and repeat. Oh, don’t forget to report them for botting too.

Before being released, guild wars 2 went into a state religion (as I say), wich means, theres no point coming here and posting facts, however sad they are, there always come believers to say that the game is great, all are having fun, and there’s nothing wrong going on, the problem is only with yourself.

This^

But its lv 60+ maps in Sea of Sorrows. No one around no one to help you and if you ask for help, 9 times out of 10, they tell you, you suck and l2p and refuse to help.

Last post here, as I dont like to get dragged into discussion with peoples whose minds are already made up…

With the exception of World Events, most Dynamic Events are playable solo. Even some champions can be killed solo.

In any other game that requires ‘group’ activity, be that 8 man raids or whatever, its GROUP activity. You may as well complain to the Football Federation that you cant play football by yourself.

I’m quite sure there are many staff at ArenaNet with selective hearing when it comes to the problems. The bottom line is they know and we don’t. They have the numbers for many people are signing in. How long people are signing in an playing and how many people are actively playing vs how many people bought the game at launch.

They also have the numbers on how many new copies of the game sold last week vs its first month. They have the data on how well their game is doing and that’s not data I imagine we’ll see.

As players all we can do is use these forums to report what we experience and how we feel. It’s up to them to take action and not selectively hear what they want to. Don’t let your game be the unsinkable ship in your mind. Don’t let it be the Titanic of MMORPGs

That’s all

Xericor.9103:

Last post here, as I dont like to get dragged into discussion with peoples whose minds are already made up…

With the exception of World Events, most Dynamic Events are playable solo. Even some champions can be killed solo.

In any other game that requires ‘group’ activity, be that 8 man raids or whatever, its GROUP activity. You may as well complain to the Football Federation that you cant play football by yourself.

They are not soloable. Pure lies by elitists. Maybe for a guardian which seems to be what everyone is playing.

You cannot not solo Champion Giant Kol in Harathi Hinterlands or the big event chain with the centaurs or the centaur leader and his champ war beasts before the fight vs him.

You will fail in any lv 60+ map even with the right build and best gear.

You obviously are drinking the kool aid or just haven’t been to the real maps.

Sorry but the reAlity in every mmo is that your play time WILL dictate your experience.

People sleep in the morning on Sunday. If you play typically in the early hours, then roll on an overseas server, simple.

Xericor.9103:

With the exception of World Events, most Dynamic Events are playable solo. Even some champions can be killed solo.

No. Dynamic events were not designed to be solo-able. This has been stated many times during the development in interviews when ArenaNet made reference to their scaling mechanics. The minimum number they scale down to is three and most scale up to accommodate ten, but some up to a hundred. They are group events. Certain professions can solo some events, others have a much more difficult time.

The bottom line is dynamic events were not designed to be solo-able. So when other players are making very valid complaint about not having enough people to do them it’s a bit annoying to see some one continue to say oh you can solo those. Regardless of what profession you are you can not solo all of them, they were not designed to be soloed at all. Please stop trying to defend a very serious flaw.

True!

A lot of content isnt soloable alone.
Mobs are packed, hit hard and respawns are way too fast.

GW2 needs be filled with a good community to survive ingame.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Xericor.9103:

With the exception of World Events, most Dynamic Events are playable solo. Even some champions can be killed solo.

No. Dynamic events were not designed to be solo-able. This has been stated many times during the development in interviews when ArenaNet made reference to their scaling mechanics. The minimum number they scale down to is three and most scale up to accommodate ten, but some up to a hundred. They are group events. Certain professions can solo most events, others have a much more difficult time.

The bottom line is dynamic events were not designed to be solo-able. So when other players are making very valid complaint about not having enough people to do them it’s a bit annoying to see some one continue to say oh you can solo those. Regardless of what profession you are you can not solo all of them, they were not designed to be soloed at all. Please stop trying to defend a very serious flaw.

If you are in sea of sorrows, please spread the word as we need people like you to help us that can’t do it SOLO like people above me say.

If fact I would need you to help me raise my guild that will be designed for group play not guilds that tout they are for the common person, but then tell you to your face to “Go do it your self! Its so easy, its soloable!”

My old guild [Nite] advertises daily for new members because they keep doing this to the new players that join and expect what they say to be true— that they will help you in each and every map and do group play then find out they are expected to solo it all and then leave and possibly complain here or quit GW 2 altogether! All you see on there is a sea of grey offline players…

Just as in GW 1, if you do not help your members often or do stuff daily with them they will leave or quit the game and your guild will die or be reduced to just a small clique of your close friends.

It’s funny you should say this, because I logged in from 8AM PST and played until 9AM PST in Ashford Fields and found there were a lot of people online and playing. I collected a few vistas with another guy who happened to be doing the same thing (fought through the cave trolls together), I stopped to do a few events with a handful of people at each, and completed two group events, all while getting 100% in the zone.

When you play a game populated primarily with Americans, in American off-peak hours, you’re going to find less people. If you play consistently in the mornings, maybe you should consider moving to the unofficial Oceanic server, where there would be people on at your time.

I’ve soloed 3 toons to 80, engineer, guardian and warrior. I think there are correct statements on both sides. DE’s can be soloed, at least IMO with these 3 classes if you outlevel content by a couple of levels. I’d make sure I was 2 levels above any content and that made the game a LOT more enjoyable. The caveat is that once you get to the high 70s and 80 the DE’s became much much less soloable, especially when they become the same level you are, but it’s not so much of an issue because there are more players (bots?) at the very high level DEs.

The one thing that intrigues me is the players that swear up and down that there are tons of people playing this game. Then when confronted with reality say that they are not playing because everyone sleeps out their hangover, or whatever other excuse they put for a particular day or time of day.

I’m self employed so I work at my own pace, there are many times I play in the mornings, afternoons, or evenings and I see it equally dead at all times. The evenings do pick up a bit, and the level 80 areas are fairly well populated as would be expected, but everything else is completely deserted, I can go for literally hours with not a single person saying anything in /map chat.

For me it’s ok, I resigned myself to this being a single player game when I bought it and am quite happy with it. It just intrigues me why people deny what is clearly in front of their eyes, at least on my server, I can’t speak for other servers. Maybe the other servers are chock full of players and even in the mid level zones the DE’s are just as full as they were on release day.

Agreed. A lot of stuff isnt meant to be solo, and some stuff clearly is not solo

But the majority is.

But the game is far better with a social crowd, so anyone who needs help, please feel free to add me ingame, and if you want to transfer to Aurora Glade, we can party toghether!

I’m on a server where people are often complaining about a lack of people and I’ve hardly ever had to worry about people joining in events. Often I start doing them to see if I can solo them. Sometimes I can, and very often, three or four other people join me in about five minutes.

Players log
2012-10-21

12:31pm

I log into “The Mists” there are 17 other players that are close enough to physically see.

I move to the spvp browser. There are 30 spvp games that are full.

I check my guild tab and there are 32 people online.

I come and make this equally pointless reply to a pointless thread. Since how many people that are online relates to time of day and what day it is. It also matters if you are in an active guild or not.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Right because the times you are able to sign-in to play should dictate your play experience… If you don’t intend to play in peek hours, don’t expect to have an enjoyable experience silly.

What are your expectations, then?

They call them “peak” times because when viewed on a graph, a large number of people logging in over a short period of time causes the overall population to rise rapidly, causing a “mountain peak” to appear. When they log off because they have other obligations – work/school/church in the morning, etc. the number of people declines, causing the other side of the mountain peak.

When you specifically log on during a “valley” time, when you know that the population is nowhere near that of the “peak” time, you are not surprised that there are fewer people online. You logged on specifically when there are less people online, in order to complain that there are less people online.

What do you propose? The game was designed to not entrap people into a gear treadmill because there is no monthly fee to milk from customers. It’s expected that between content releases the overall population will drop and that many of these people will return when there is something new to explore.

Again, what do you propose Arenanet do about this? Begin charging their members a monthly fee so they feel obligated to log in every so often? Go to their customers’ houses and kick them out of bed on Sunday morning so you have someone to play with?

They have created an expansive, interactive world to explore, and it seems like people are only interested in “how do I make X gold per hour?” As the cliche goes, Arenanet has built the horses their watering hole, it’s not up to them to make the horses drink there.

@tolunart The problem I have is that ArenaNet designed GW2 to be dynamic event centric. They tell the story of the world and they require a group to complete. In a traditional MMO you can peck away at quest. If a certain location is empty, you just move on to the next thing in your quest log or you go back to one from earlier you did not finish.

ArenaNet’s stated intent when designing dynamic events was to create a better system. From the book Making of Guild Wars 2 they state From the early stages of development we wanted to have a living world with no quest log.

Dynamic Events suffer from this unique problem when zones are empty. Players being stalled by empty dynamic events is a design flaw. Suddenly the old quest log doesn’t seem like such a bad design.

If you’re going to be bold and make a manifesto video telling the world you have a better approach I just think there should be some accountability when that approach is proven to have some serious design issues. Dynamic Events suffer from multiple design issues, but not having enough players or having too many is game breaking for many.

@Jnaatha.6549 It’s good to hear the sPvP portion of the game is not suffering from lack of players. Keep in mind sPvP matches are not bound to specific worlds/servers. Also sPvP portion of the game is a sandboxed experienced (using the term sandboxed as in isolated, not as in a game definition). With its own armor and weapon sets and glory replacing XP as the metric of progression it is a very different thing.

Once they add: leader boards, rank pairing, leagues, private servers and fix the speed hacks so people can’t cheat sPvP will be something I look into. For the time being I usually go back to TF2 if I just want to hop in on some random PvP match where I don’t really make much difference.

“Enough” players is subjective… I often join up with my wife in game, and so far there hasn’t been anything that the two of us can’t handle. Not saying that it’s impossible that one or two players can’t handle something, but if you have trouble with something specific there’s an entire world out there to roam around in until your guildies come online or something.

If it is so bad, quit and leave. Trying to grip at the rest of us via the forums is useless. Had you been on my server, I would never had heard the OP anyway, because I generally keep map chat off because of people just like the OP spamming it with complaints that no one is on. The last thing I need is my chat spammed with whiners crying about population.

I do not care what MMO you play and how many millions are or are not playing it, there will be places we do not congregate in.

Please OP remain signed out. It gets old stumbling across post such as this that are the decay of the forums, because I was doing something somewhere different, and because we didn’t flock to what ever DE you were doing to join you. (which I do not really believe you, or you would at least mention the name of the event, level, and location)

Heck, there are zones I haven’t even set foot in yet. But I guess since we all are not doing the same DE you are, we are all at fault. Let us know next time so we can all drop what we are doing and accommodate you. I apologize for having fun with my guild in WvW this morning, next time we will abandon such frivolous fun so we can go do dynamic events in PvE to take you feel crowded.

SamTheGuardian.2938:

Don’t let it be the Titanic of MMORPGs

We already had the TORtanic.

This would be the Guildenburg.

The funny part is I have read threads exactly like this since month one in games that are alive today that started 12 years ago.

We have terms, where I come from, for folks like this, who make these threads, but the forums would probably turn half of them into baby cat terms.

coglin.1496:

If it is so bad, quit and leave. Trying to grip at the rest of us via the forums is useless. Had you been on my server, I would never had heard the OP anyway, because I generally keep map chat off because of people just like the OP spamming it with complaints that no one is on. The last thing I need is my chat spammed with whiners crying about population.

I do not care what MMO you play and how many millions are or are not playing it, there will be places we do not congregate in.

Please OP remain signed out. It gets old stumbling across post such as this that are the decay of the forums, because I was doing something somewhere different, and because we didn’t flock to what ever DE you were doing to join you. (which I do not really believe you, or you would at least mention the name of the event, level, and location)

Heck, there are zones I haven’t even set foot in yet. But I guess since we all are not doing the same DE you are, we are all at fault. Let us know next time so we can all drop what we are doing and accommodate you. I apologize for having fun with my guild in WvW this morning, next time we will abandon such frivolous fun so we can go do dynamic events in PvE to take you feel crowded.

People like you are part of the problem. Why don’t you leave the forums if you don’t want to see people’s criticism? Do you come here just so you can put your hands on your ears and pretend you’re playing a flawless game?

His post and complaints were very clear and shared by many others. You can’t be helped if you choose to misinterpret them.

coglin.1496:

The funny part is I have read threads exactly like this since month one in games that are alive today that started 12 years ago.

The funny part is what your definition of “alive” is.

Because I care to partake in constructive conversation, and have to wade through irrational complaint threads such as this. If folks desire to clutter the forums with irrational complaints and whining, I will feel free to point it out and let them know.

If there were any kind of rational or accurate population issues, then perhaps thir would be a leg to stand on. But to complain about how in off peak hours, no one was at a single particular DE when he was, is simply laughable.

Shroom Mage.9410:

The funny part is what your definition of “alive” is.

Simple. The fact that 250,000 players logged into the game since 6 pm friday evening. The fact that at about that time this morning I had 150+ on in my guild. TP in lions arch had enough people that my high end PC took several seconds to load them all in. The fact that I did a few DE before I went into WvW and ran into 10 random players at a bare minimum per DE.

It is more then that, but I didn’t jump into all the numbers on the EU servers. Such silly questions of that nature are not worth the extra addition.

Shroom Mage.9410:

People like you are part of the problem. Why don’t you leave the forums if you don’t want to see people’s criticism? Do you come here just so you can put your hands on your ears and pretend you’re playing a flawless game?

It has nothing to do with hearing other people’s criticism. This thread isn’t criticism. It’s someone blaming the game for people sleeping at 7h30 on sunday morning. That’s just kitten Has nothing to do with how perfect GW2 is or isn’t. I’ve voiced my own criticism about things in the game but this just is not a criticism about the game. It just isn’t.

Shroom Mage.9410:

His post and complaints were very clear and shared by many others. You can’t be helped if you choose to misinterpret them.

What is there to misinterpret? Who in their right mind would complain about not many people being on in the morning? Seriously, I do not understand how you can defend this intelligence-numbing thread.

His complaint is pure and simple. There is hardly anyone online on sunday morning….well doh.

Honestly, I don’t think they designed the game with soloing in mind. You can solo a lot of content, but they put quite a lot of effort into making it so that there really isn’t a reason to not be in a party, or at least with/around other players.

My typical playtimes are anywhere between midnight and 8am PST. So, pretty kitten dead all the time.

You know what I did? I found a guild called “Tarnished Coast Night Owls” which consists of players that play primarily during that time. Now I’m never alone during those times.

Is it still hard to solo DEs when everything’s dead at night? Yeah, but I can usually find a guildmate on around that time that doesn’t mind running around with me.

My advice? Find a guild with similar play hours, or swap to a different server that has different prime time hours. There’s a reason that server swaps are allowed every 24 hours, and it’s not just to facilitate WVWers server hopping to the winning team.

I mean, if all you’re really worried about is having players available for events that you’re soloing, then it doesn’t particularly matter which server you’re on.

Gehenna.3625:

What is there to misinterpret? Who in their right mind would complain about not many people being on in the morning? Seriously, I do not understand how you can defend this intelligence-numbing thread.

His complaint is pure and simple. There is hardly anyone online on sunday morning….well doh.

The problem isn’t that there aren’t players online on a Sunday morning. The problem is that there is nothing to do in the game on a Sunday morning because so little can be done solo. He’s obviously aware of the fact that he’s playing on a Sunday morning by the very name of the thread.

coglin.1496:

If it is so bad, quit and leave. Trying to grip at the rest of us via the forums is useless. Had you been on my server, I would never had heard the OP anyway, because I generally keep map chat off because of people just like the OP spamming it with complaints that no one is on. The last thing I need is my chat spammed with whiners crying about population.

I do not care what MMO you play and how many millions are or are not playing it, there will be places we do not congregate in.

Please OP remain signed out. It gets old stumbling across post such as this that are the decay of the forums, because I was doing something somewhere different, and because we didn’t flock to what ever DE you were doing to join you. (which I do not really believe you, or you would at least mention the name of the event, level, and location)

Heck, there are zones I haven’t even set foot in yet. But I guess since we all are not doing the same DE you are, we are all at fault. Let us know next time so we can all drop what we are doing and accommodate you. I apologize for having fun with my guild in WvW this morning, next time we will abandon such frivolous fun so we can go do dynamic events in PvE to take you feel crowded.

Gah, I hate people like this. The “if you don’t like it then quit” people. The OP makes a good point which should be open to discussion. I think it’s you that should take your own advice, if you don’t like forum threads then “just quit and leave”, better yet take more of your own advice and “remain signed out”.

There is a lot of content that is virtually abandoned in this game. IMO that’s a function of the game as a single player game with a chat box, but that’s my personal opinion and expectation of the game. Nonetheless it is what many players are experiencing.

Shroom Mage.9410:

The problem isn’t that there aren’t players online on a Sunday morning. The problem is that there is nothing to do in the game on a Sunday morning. He’s obviously aware of the fact that he’s playing on a Sunday morning by the very name of the thread.

I have to call shenanigans here.

The fact that at about that time this morning I had 150+ on in my guild. TP in lions arch had enough people that my high end PC took several seconds to load them all in. The fact that I did a few DE before I went into WvW and ran into 10 random players at a bare minimum per DE.

All are evidence that your broad and inaccurate claim that there is nothing to do on Sunday morning is mis-informed at best. Some would go as far as calling it a flat out lie since you put it as such a direct statement, but I personally never would, but some may.

Rick.1378:

The OP makes a good point

No he doesn’t make a good point. A good point has evidence that Lions arch for example is abandoned as he suggest. Because one particular DE wasn’t packed and no one reaplied to what would appear to be a troll in /map chat, do not make a server dead, by my definition anyway.

Rick.1378:

There is a lot of content that is virtually abandoned in this game. IMO that’s a function of the game as a single player game with a chat box, but that’s my personal opinion and expectation of the game. Nonetheless it is what many players are experiencing.

The game has 1500 DE events. It isn’t hard to grasp that they cannot all be jam packed on sunday morning.

I challenge you to find any MMO that will not have a quest area that is empty at anytime, much less sunday morning.

I played a couple hours this morning, about 2 1/2. Not a single post in /map chat, not a single one, not even a lfg or need more for DE, no trade, no auction, no RP chat, nothing, nada, zilch. Contrary to popular belief most of us aren’t drunk, hungover college students who sleep until 1pm on Sundays. Some of us like to get up early (9am is early?!?!) and play for a couple of hours on our Sunday off from work.

Interestingly enough I’ve been on for about half an hour in Straits of Devastation with an alt currently, which is considered about prime time for a MMO. Once again /map chat is completely and utterly barren, I’ve gone thru about 2 DE’s that were completely empty and I couldn’t finish (adding to the 4 or 5 DE’s this morning, only one populated with bots). I don’t mind though, I can overlevel myself and I figure out a way to beat the DE solo, in fact I kind of enjoy the challenge.

Most folks I know have map chat turned off 90% of the time. I am curious as to what interesting logic anyone would use to claim map chat chatter is an accurate metric for player population.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Server-is-full

Threads like this 4 minute old one seem to contradict the logic here by many. Just sayin.

coglin.1496:

Most folks I know have map chat turned off 90% of the time. I am curious as to what interesting logic anyone would use to claim map chat chatter is an accurate metric for player population.

Everything is another excuse. No players at your DE? It’s sunday morning, everyone is hung over. No /map chat? The scientific figure of 90% of players have /map chat turned off.

I agree that other MMO’s have abandoned quest hubs, it’s just the simple nature of the game. But what bothers me is people who say that there are no abandoned areas in this game at all, now that may not be you, but I’m not necessarily responding to you. As I’ve said before, I accept this and don’t really have much of a problem, most MMO’s nowadays are single player RPG’s with a chat box.

As for the chat box, even on Sunday mornings most of the other MMO’s I’ve played were fairly populated with chat banter, but a world server would probably have more people in it than just a zone chat room. I terribly miss the light banter, advice and general chat while tooling around doing quests, it just makes GW2 feel that much more like a single player game.

I just don’t see why people get upset when confronted with the trend of most of the zones, besides noob and end game zones, are pretty empty, especially on a Sunday morning which was the OP’s point.

coglin.1496:

Shroom Mage.9410:

The problem isn’t that there aren’t players online on a Sunday morning. The problem is that there is nothing to do in the game on a Sunday morning. He’s obviously aware of the fact that he’s playing on a Sunday morning by the very name of the thread.

I have to call shenanigans here.

The fact that at about that time this morning I had 150+ on in my guild. TP in lions arch had enough people that my high end PC took several seconds to load them all in. The fact that I did a few DE before I went into WvW and ran into 10 random players at a bare minimum per DE.

It’s nice to know you’re in an active guild, but that doesn’t address his actual problem, which is that there is so little for a solo player to do. He states it over and over throughout the thread. The primary form of content (events) are designed to be done in groups. You aren’t dispelling his concerns by claiming that there are always players around.

Most people in the thread who are opposing him are saying that he shouldn’t expect many players online on a Sunday morning. Are you calling shenanigans on them, too?

coglin.1496:

All are evidence that your broad and inaccurate claim that there is nothing to do on Sunday morning is mis-informed at best. Some would go as far as calling it a flat out lie since you put it as such a direct statement, but I personally never would, but some may.

You wouldn’t call it a lie, huh? Does “calling shenanigans” mean something different to you then?

@Sam
I believe you’re going to run in the same issue on any MMO.
In WoW, which is supposedly the most played MMO, I wasn’t able to find anyone during mornings (too bad because back then I has a lot of free mornings).
Beween 3am and 10am I barely ever seen 1-2 players in each map.
If you do the math, GW2 has currently 8k+ constant people per server, on 52 servers.
That sums up to 2mil total players, or 500k cuncurrent players.
Considering to join a Guild might be a good idea, since Anet made multi-guilding with the very purpose of having many social hubs to pick players from.
I’m sorry you failed to realize this feature thus far, but I believe it will be easy for you to find 3-4 guilds to join.

Btw it’s curious you did not mention your class, level, what events you were doing, etc.
It doesn’t seems like you’re looking for advice, it sounds a lot like “I already made my mind up and don’t want to hear anything beside other one-sided complaints, I will never consider I’m doing something wrong”.
I lvl’d 3 chars to 80 completely solo and didn’t have any issue; perhaps consider you might be in need of help?
You know, Thief is a disaster to level by raw damage, but swap to conditions and you steamroll through 10 mobs.

As a general rule for life and games alike, the more you’re willing to learn the wiser you get.
The more you make your mind up the more ignorant you’ll be.
Pick whatever philosophy sounds better to you

Scientific? No, I very specifically clarified it was people I know.

Hung over? No, most folks I know were not hung over.

I am still waiting for you to present an actual fact though. An actual fact to support the argument that the game is dead and the sky is falling, because at a specific time on, on a very specific server, at a very specific dynamic event, the game is dead.

Brilliant deduction my friend.

Shroom Mage.9410:

It’s nice to know you’re in an active guild, but that doesn’t address his actual problem, which is that there is so little for a solo player to do. He states it over and over throughout the thread. The primary form of content (events) are designed to be done in groups. You aren’t dispelling his concerns by claiming that there are always players around.

Stating something over and over throughout a thread does not make it true.

Dispelling his concerns? Not really, more like declaring them invalid.

This is just like all of the reddit and other sites threads when everyone was claiming they were banned for no reason, just for SE to show it was all a lie.

Yet you expect us to take the OP with a great deal of non specifics serious? For all we know, he spams that crud in map chat 1000 times a day and is on half the servers ignore list. For all we know, the DE event he refers to is the intro one, and just because no one was making a new character at that exact moment in that ecaxt race on that exact server, the game is obviously dead.

Don’t misinterpret concern as a complaint.

The OP is absolutely correcct in his detrmining that there is an exposed flaw in DE’s by their nature when there is no one around to do them.

Absolutely, I see plenty of people on at some times. Doing dungeons, sPvP, PVP, WvW et al……

However, the DE’s expose it’s own design flaw when it’s empty DE after empty DE.

Maybe it has to do with the current populations expectations that any given DE might be bugged (there are a lot of them) so don’t bother making that a focus of their play but it is still a reasonable concern.

coglin.1496:

Scientific? No, I very specifically clarified it was people I know.

Hung over? No, most folks I know were not hung over.

I am still waiting for you to present an actual fact though. An actual fact to support the argument that the game is dead and the sky is falling, because at a specific time on, on a very specific server, at a very specific dynamic event, the game is dead.

Brilliant deduction my friend.

We already know your definition of “dead” and “alive” are dubious at best with your claim that games (more than one) you played 12 years ago are still alive.

Take a moment, if you will, to read the post just above yours. It’s by someone who is also in opposition of the OP. He explains that at the times the OP was playing, he shouldn’t expect many players to be online, even in games as populated as WoW.

Your claim that there were plenty of players online and that they all happened to have map chat off at the time isn’t holding up too well.

coglin.1496:

This is just like all of the reddit and other sites threads when everyone was claiming they were banned for no reason, just for SE to show it was all a lie.

Yet you expect us to take the OP with a great deal of non specifics serious? For all we know, he spams that crud in map chat 1000 times a day and is on half the servers ignore list. For all we know, the DE event he refers to is the intro one, and just because no one was making a new character at that exact moment in that ecaxt race on that exact server, the game is obviously dead.

Wow, this is just like Reddit. You come up with ridiculous possibilities and use them to “invalidate” your opponent’s claims. If you think he’s full of it, then why are you even posting? Every post you make bumps the thread and makes his post more visible.

coglin.1496:

Scientific? No, I very specifically clarified it was people I know.

Hung over? No, most folks I know were not hung over.

I am still waiting for you to present an actual fact though. An actual fact to support the argument that the game is dead and the sky is falling, because at a specific time on, on a very specific server, at a very specific dynamic event, the game is dead.

Brilliant deduction my friend.

Drama much? I don’t see the OP saying the “game is dead and the sky is falling”. I see the OP making the point that the game centers around DE’s, that the DE’s are not meant to be soloed, and that the low population, in particular on Sunday morning is making it tough to advance in the game. I think you totally missed his point in overreacting.

I agree with the OP, BUT… I’m able to overcome it and do most of the DE’s solo, but NOT as Anet intended and that’s only the ones I can outlevel by 2-3 levels. The ones which are at my level I wouldn’t be able to do except for all the bots usually parked there.

As for guilds, I have 100+ in 2 I belong to, currently about 10 people on in those 2 guilds. Multi guilds are a pita at times as well, most of the time you have someone in the guild sending you a tell that if you don’t represent them they will kick you.

Game is not casual friendly.

Rick.1378:

Drama much? I don’t see the OP saying the “game is dead and the sky is falling”.

No. But thanks for asking.

That is how a great deal interpret the OP. As well a good amount of the post after sure support that stance.

Again, this rational that because every single one of the over 1500 DE have to have multiple players at them is horrible. just because others are not on the DEs does not mean the game is dead. I have a screen shot I can post from the Champion brood mother from this morning with 20+ various guild tagged players at it.

By your definition that means the game is too crowded with so many players at one DE.

coglin.1496:

Rick.1378:

Drama much? I don’t see the OP saying the “game is dead and the sky is falling”.

No. But thanks for asking.

That is how a great deal interpret the OP. As well a good amount of the post after sure support that stance.

Again, this rational that because every single one of the over 1500 DE have to have multiple players at them is horrible. just because others are not on the DEs does not mean the game is dead. I have a screen shot I can post from the Champion brood mother from this morning with 20+ various guild tagged players at it.

By your definition that means the game is too crowded with so many players at one DE.

I don’t see many interpreting him that way at all, but dunno maybe I’m looking at a different post. The “rational” that DE’s are meant not to be soloed is Anets rationale, other threads people have quoted Anets exact verbiage. Once again the OP is merely raising the valid point that having to solo DE’s which were meant for multiple players is a design decision which needs attention, he is not debating if the DE’s are empty or not as you seem to be, although IMO they are pretty well abandoned and the player either figures out how to solo them or has to skip them and do something else.

coglin.1496:

If it is so bad, quit and leave. Trying to grip at the rest of us via the forums is useless. Had you been on my server, I would never had heard the OP anyway, because I generally keep map chat off because of people just like the OP spamming it with complaints that no one is on. The last thing I need is my chat spammed with whiners crying about population.

I do not care what MMO you play and how many millions are or are not playing it, there will be places we do not congregate in.

Please OP remain signed out. It gets old stumbling across post such as this that are the decay of the forums, because I was doing something somewhere different, and because we didn’t flock to what ever DE you were doing to join you. (which I do not really believe you, or you would at least mention the name of the event, level, and location)

Heck, there are zones I haven’t even set foot in yet. But I guess since we all are not doing the same DE you are, we are all at fault. Let us know next time so we can all drop what we are doing and accommodate you. I apologize for having fun with my guild in WvW this morning, next time we will abandon such frivolous fun so we can go do dynamic events in PvE to take you feel crowded.

I would rather have people like OP post more valid concerns then to read crap from fanatics like you. So i suggest you leave and not log into forums if you can not handle criticism.

And yes it is a valid concern. In MMOS where questing is the main form of progression you can log in at any off times and still progress but in GW2 you can not do so because progression is heavily dependent upon DE’s.

I have stopped playing GW2 at off times even if i have free time because i know there won’t be enough players in PVE to get DE’s done.

If there were masses of people getting up on sunday before 8 or even 10 it would really frighten me. I doubt many people will derive themselves of a long nice sleep they earned in a week of working to get up and play a kitten computer game – I sure won´t.

Mickey.4207:

I would rather have people like OP post more valid concerns then to read crap from fanatics like you. So i suggest you leave and not log into forums if you can not handle criticism.

I see, your doing the whole your a “fanatic fan boy” because I disagree. So by that logic your the “whiny troll poster” right?

I am still waiting for an actual fact to support the claim that servers are dead and the sky is falling.

Look at the servers in the world selection screen. there are threads on it popping up today.

Have you checked out any3rd party sites that maintain log in or population information. How many people logged in over the weekend?

coglin.1496:

I am still waiting for an actual fact to support the claim that servers are dead and the sky is falling.

But no one in this thread is arguing that…

Despite being on a crowded server, I decided to undertake most of my challenges from level 1 to 80 solo. It’s not impossible, but to me it almost sounds like it’s the social counterpart you’re lacking?