Guild Wars 2

azurrei.5691:

And if all the S1 content was permanent instead of temporary perhaps there wouldn’t be a desire for filler content until the expansion…

Of course it would. Because by now the vast majority of people would have already completed all S1 content more than enough times to not wanting to do it again.

People are also overestimating the amount of content S1 actually delivered. It was quite a bit less than S2.

My preferences

-Sab (world 3 or at least 1&2)
-Crown Pavillon

I spent over 2000 Gems on permanent harvesting equipment and outfit skins that I lost because I deleted the characters before those items were switched from soul-bound to account-bound. I’m not whinging or demanding refunds, and that content will NEVER come back. Your precious box will return, and your token will still get you in. The self-righteous sense of entitlement you project by spouting rhetoric like “robbing customers blind” and demanding refunds does not help your cause.

MarkPhilips.5169:

My preferences

-Sab (world 3 or at least 1&2)
-Crown Pavillon
-SouthSun Survival

Southsun Survival is already in there still, on the rotating list of daily activities. And Crown Pavilion wouldn’t be until sumer.

RoseofGilead.8907:

MarkPhilips.5169:

My preferences

-Sab (world 3 or at least 1&2)
-Crown Pavillon
-SouthSun Survival

Southsun Survival is already in there still, on the rotating list of daily activities. And Crown Pavilion wouldn’t be until sumer.

Right for Ss, I edited.

Thx

ChyldeMyst.5098:

I spent over 2000 Gems on permanent harvesting equipment and outfit skins that I lost because I deleted the characters before those items were switched from soul-bound to account-bound. I’m not whinging or demanding refunds, and that content will NEVER come back. Your precious box will return, and your token will still get you in. The self-righteous sense of entitlement you project by spouting rhetoric like “robbing customers blind” and demanding refunds does not help your cause.

So you choosing to delete these things knowing full well they would be lost is comparable to buying something that was rendered irrelevant?

Snow.2048:

So you choosing to delete these things knowing full well they would be lost is comparable to buying something that was rendered irrelevant?

That can be turned around as well.

We bought the coin knowing full well that the content would not be available at all times.

It is irrelevant if the content would be around for eternity. An item with infinite uses should not be sold as such, if it does not have infinite uses. It was false advertising, which might not have mattered so much, if they had kept SAB around for longer than it was available to be bought in the gem store.

party buddy.4956:

It is irrelevant if the content would be around for eternity. An item with infinite uses should not be sold as such, if it does not have infinite uses. It was false advertising, which might not have mattered so much, if they had kept SAB around for longer than it was available to be bought in the gem store.

But it does have infinite uses.
It just isn’t usable right now.

If I buy a life-time membership at a gym, that doesn’t mean it will no longer be a life-time membership just because the gym is closed down for a couple of months in order to upgrade.

lordkrall.7241:

That can be turned around as well.

We bought the coin knowing full well that the content would not be available at all times.

Not quite.
One was deliberate destruction, the other is buying something that you knew would have pauses, but based on the pattern of releases still expected to see regularly. Whether or not those affected by this are right isn’t what I’m aiming for, more that the whole I deleted my character after spending 2k gems is an invalid argument.

(I personally think that just opening it for a while would have been the best solution, or making it a yearly event, but that’s a different matter)

ChyldeMyst.5098:

The self-righteous sense of entitlement you project by spouting rhetoric like “robbing customers blind” and demanding refunds does not help your cause.

Really? Is it actually “self righteous entitlement” to expect a service you paid for?

I often think the “entitled” accusation is overused here, even when its discussing people asking for free content. In this case people are asking for content they actually paid for.

lordkrall.7241:

Snow.2048:

So you choosing to delete these things knowing full well they would be lost is comparable to buying something that was rendered irrelevant?

That can be turned around as well.

We bought the coin knowing full well that the content would not be available at all times.

There was a reasonable expectation that the content would be brought back at regular intervals. This is such a terrible argument that I can’t believe even you are making it.

If you got to use your “lifetime membership” to a gym for a month, then it closed down “for maintenance,” you’re telling me telling me that you don’t feel like you should have access to some of the facilities after two years? Yeah, please do keep turning these arguments around, because they’re only helping my case.

you forgot to open sab in todays update. Fix pls

Seriously kitten Anet and their SAB withholding ways.

RIOT for SAB death to those with holding sab from us

As i said already in another thread, it seems like they prefer to not add anything than to put SAB back. Quite annoying.

Please bring back SAB. I never even liked the thing, but I just can’t escape it. People won’t shut up about it! Please end the constant whining, ANET. Please bring back SAB.

Apparently they don’t want players to actually enjoy content they make for extended periods of time.

They would much prefer us to have gem store garbage, mini grinding festivals and silverwastes farming to tie us over….they don’t care about their playerbase, and they can see their playerbase is starting to care less about them in return.

Zietlogik.6208:

Apparently they don’t want players to actually enjoy content they make for extended periods of time.

They would much prefer us to have gem store garbage, mini grinding festivals and silverwastes farming to tie us over….they don’t care about their playerbase, and they can see their playerbase is starting to care less about them in return.

And yet there were parts of the playerbase that hated SAB and wanted it out of the game as soon as it was added.
Why should one part of the playerbase be more important than the others?

lordkrall.7241:

Zietlogik.6208:

Apparently they don’t want players to actually enjoy content they make for extended periods of time.

They would much prefer us to have gem store garbage, mini grinding festivals and silverwastes farming to tie us over….they don’t care about their playerbase, and they can see their playerbase is starting to care less about them in return.

And yet there were parts of the playerbase that hated SAB and wanted it out of the game as soon as it was added.
Why should one part of the playerbase be more important than the others?

hmm usually you have better arguments than something like “some people hate it therefore its ok that its gone”. tbh you quoted drivel, but still. its weak.

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm usually you have better arguments than something like “some people hate it therefore its ok that its gone”. tbh you quoted drivel, but still. its weak.

Thats not what I said though.
I countered his argument about people wanting it back and as such it should be back ASAP, with an argument that there are also people not wanting it back and a question about whom they should listen to.

People who don’t want SAB could ignore it (i.e. they could choose not to play it without it effecting their game). People who want SAB have no choice. They cannot play it at the moment.

I get that some do not like it, but I do not think that means it should be removed for that reason. If players were forced to play SAB then I would understand, but they weren’t.

Oh I agree, it should be back. But I just question the logic behind it “must come back” based on some of the player-base wanting it while others definitely don’t want it back.

One could of course also point out that even if you chose to ignore the content there will be a massive influx of people running around with, in the dislikers eyes, silly and immersion breaking weapons everywhere.

lordkrall.7241:

Oh I agree, it should be back. But I just question the logic behind it “must come back” based on some of the player-base wanting it while others definitely don’t want it back.

One could of course also point out that even if you chose to ignore the content there will be a massive influx of people running around with, in the dislikers eyes, silly and immersion breaking weapons everywhere.

I understand your point, I just do not think it is a valid one. We already, in my opinion, have many immersion breaking weapons, etc. A bubble firing pistol or a unicorn firing shortbow are two legendary examples that for me are just plain daft and break that serious atmosphere I would prefer in a fantasy game. However, I understand that some players like those things and I therefore have no objection to them being in the game. This is because I understand that the game is not just for me. I also feel that the game should not cater to only one group of people.

People will like and dislike every aspect of the game. You cannot base the existance of something within an MMO based on the opinions of one group of people, especially when it is clear there is a massive following for SAB. There needs to be variety, so more and more people can find something they enjoy, so long as it can be explained in a lore sense, which SAB is.

Also, we already have SAB gear, minis and finishers, even though the actual mini game is not available. So the idea that the return of SAB will break immersion for some is not entirely accurate, because it already does. As to it creating an influx, that may well happen, but once the dust has settled and people have had their initial fill, things will not be as bad as people think. IMO this is why I feel SAB should be permanent rather than temporary. If it was permanent it would not suck players from other areas of the game for extended periods of time, because people would be allowed to play it when they feel like it, rather than being forced to play it at the same time as everyone else.

All that said, I do not think SAB was removed because some people disliked it. I think they have just needed to put it on hold while they concentrated on other things. I am sure once HoT is out of the way they can free up resources again and continue finishing the other worlds and eventually bring SAB back into the game. I just hope that when they do it will be permanent, not temporary.

Rin.1046:

All that said, I do not think SAB was removed because some people disliked it. I think they have just needed to put it on hold while they concentrated on other things. I am sure once HoT is out of the way they can free up resources again and continue finishing the other worlds and eventually bring SAB back into the game. I just hope that when they do it will be permanent, not temporary.

I really hope that’s not true. But if it is, I really wish they at least give gem refunds for those who bought the ICC. If it returns post HoT, that’s be something like two years the thing was closed, and an item people paid real world cash for was rendered useless (almost immediately after purchase).

I don’t understand the people that are saying they don’t want SAB back. What difference would that even make to them? It’s like saying you hate Keg Brawl so it shouldn’t be around at all. If you don’t like Keg Brawl you certainly don’t have to play it. Same goes for SAB.

I bought an Infinite Coin. I knew full well when I bought it that SAB was seasonal content. It had appeared twice in a somewhat consistent pattern, enough for any logical person to believe it would return around the same time the following year and each year to come.

At no point did anyone who bought the coin think that SAB would simply not come back again ever. We figured once a year and that was good enough for us. We’re closing in on two years now without so much as a hint that it will be returning soon.

That’s why people are upset.

If people are really that against SAB, then maybe SAB should only be open to people who bought the coin, but I have a feeling that suddenly all of the people that don’t want it back will want to play the content and cause an uproar that they don’t have access to it now.

COME ONE COME ALL
2 the SAB protests

Later today we are holding SAB protest in RS right outside of SAB. Please keep it peaceful.. We will be lighting fireworks off, costume brawling, and dancing to show anet how much we want it. This has to start NOW!!

Rata Sum
8pm eastern
5pm western
Bring plenty of signs. No guns!

Please Anet bring sab back! It’s my favorite living story you ever made, rest sucks.
Since I bought the infinite coin I want sab back or my money back.

I can’t believe it’s been way over half a year since people started meeting up for protests in Rata Sum. Also, I can’t believe Anet has been completely ignoring the request to just put back existing content.

By now I could see their only motivation to not put back SAB being “people will complain about us re-releasing it without adding world 3 yet, which would be annoying, so we’d rather give them nothing at all until we have world 3 done”

So yeah. Here’s me still with my ICC in my bank and a whole character inventory filled up with SAB stuff like baubles.

they’re focused on expansion now. I doubt that someone’s actually working on world 3. #occupySAB2015

Except many people would be fine just getting worlds 1-2 back. I understand that until all the Expansion and story stuff and some fixes and all that lot are dealt with, no more content will be added to SAB.

Still “people will complain about us re-releasing existing content with no changes” is the only (and pretty weak) explanation I can think of to not return existing SAB levels.

Edit: Also that maybe they don’t want to go against the ‘lore’ of Moto saying that SAB is taking down for upgrading – he would hardly open it up without an upgrade then. Since he also said eventually everyone will have a SAB at home, I could see that as a reference for an SAB-node sorta thing eventually being on the GEM store for home instances or somesuch. Probably after World 4 is out, approximately 20 years from now.

I don’t even care if they bother with a world 3 anytime soon, I had fun with world 1 and 2, and I sure as hell will have fun with them again. After buying the ICC, and then having the content locked up soon after for well over a year now, I feel cheated. I understand that SAB was a special event, but you just don’t sell something in the gemstore and then lock up the content it’s used for less than a month after and never bother to release it regularly, or even give premium access to people who bought the coin.

lordkrall.7241:

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm usually you have better arguments than something like “some people hate it therefore its ok that its gone”. tbh you quoted drivel, but still. its weak.

Thats not what I said though.
I countered his argument about people wanting it back and as such it should be back ASAP, with an argument that there are also people not wanting it back and a question about whom they should listen to.

no it isnt what you said, its something like what you said. its what your reply boils down to. and i think its weak. but then, i also want sab back asap. :|

lordkrall.7241:

Zietlogik.6208:

Apparently they don’t want players to actually enjoy content they make for extended periods of time.

They would much prefer us to have gem store garbage, mini grinding festivals and silverwastes farming to tie us over….they don’t care about their playerbase, and they can see their playerbase is starting to care less about them in return.

And yet there were parts of the playerbase that hated SAB and wanted it out of the game as soon as it was added.
Why should one part of the playerbase be more important than the others?

I hate Lornar’s Pass, but it isn’t out of the game. Why should the playerbase that likes Lornar’s Pass be more important than the playerbase that doesn’t?

Vrita.7846:

I don’t even care if they bother with a world 3 anytime soon, I had fun with world 1 and 2, and I sure as hell will have fun with them again. After buying the ICC, and then having the content locked up soon after for well over a year now, I feel cheated. I understand that SAB was a special event, but you just don’t sell something in the gemstore and then lock up the content it’s used for less than a month after and never bother to release it regularly, or even give premium access to people who bought the coin.

This comment is spot on. I forgot to send a support ticket on this topic. I will do this tonight at the protest. My coin has been in bank sense the event left and now the item I spent money on is useless …. Over a year later anet? Really I want a refund!! Everyone send a support ticket today who bought a infinite coin because it is now useless!

lordkrall.7241:

silly and immersion breaking weapons everywhere.

This can’t possibly be anyone’s opinion. Considering the silly, immersion breaking skins that exist outside of SAB…

I think a weapon skin that is being populated/generated via some Asuran computer technology is far less immersion breaking than a bow that shoots rainbow unicorns, a disco ball mace, or heck even a greatsword that allows you to see into some other dimension that also changes dimensions based on time of day (still not sure what the twilight/sunrise/eternity skins are referencing, is it heaven/hell does Tyrian lore even have heaven and hell?)

Draknar.5748:

lordkrall.7241:

silly and immersion breaking weapons everywhere.

This can’t possibly be anyone’s opinion. Considering the silly, immersion breaking skins that exist outside of SAB…

I think a weapon skin that is being populated/generated via some Asuran computer technology is far less immersion breaking than a bow that shoots rainbow unicorns, a disco ball mace, or heck even a greatsword that allows you to see into some other dimension that also changes dimensions based on time of day (still not sure what the twilight/sunrise/eternity skins are referencing, is it heaven/hell does Tyrian lore even have heaven and hell?)

Uhh… twilight and sunrise are both times of day, and eternity is a concept of “forever” that has nothing to do with heaven or hell. The skins visually reflect morning and evening, as well as the night sky, in the case of eternity.

If SAB were intrinsically tied to a specific Living World event that is no longer going on, or were anachronistic in some way, that would be one thing. Like, if you went in there and talked to Scarlet Briar, or if the computer that ran it was powered by Zhaitan, then it wouldn’t make sense for it to exist.

Or, if we were talking about a recurring holiday event that only made sense to appear at certain times of year, that might make sense as well.

But as we all know, SAB is not any such case. It doesn’t contradict any story events. It isn’t tied to any particular holiday or festival. It isn’t time-sensitive. And it’s entirely optional, for those who don’t enjoy it. The deletion of this content is utterly purposeless and unjustified, and to be honest I feel it is a huge blotch on the record of a company like ArenaNet whom otherwise I have great respect for.

Since when does a responsible developer remove game modes for no reason, with no plans to supplement or reinstate it in any way, despite outcry from players? And when you factor in the players who paid good money for the Infinite Continue Coin (with no option of a refund), it transcends distasteful game management and becomes blatantly disrespectful to customers.

ANet, please see reason on this issue. I don’t know what behind-the-scenes politics are going on at your company, or who is on an embittered power trip where they feel the need to make a point by withholding enjoyable content from GW2’s players, but please just swallow your pride and work it out. When Super Adventure Box came out, it made waves. It was a powerful symbol of what GW2 is capable of, how masterful the content designers are, how deeply you understand engaging level design, and how limitless the potential of this game really is. It showed the world that anything can happen in Guild Wars 2.

But, by continuing this farce and keeping such great content to yourselves, you destroy that image completely. As it stands, SAB now only exists as an eternal stain of disgrace on GW2’s record. It’s like you all just took the ball and went home. Do you really think it’s wise to let that image be ANet’s last word on such a beloved piece of GW2 content?

If there are people that don’t like SAB, then don’t play it. Not sure why people complain about bonus content in the game.

Please bring SAB back.

DirtyT.5129:

Please bring SAB back.

Very disappointing… Loved SAB I WANT MY REFUND

Now I want 1st person SAB

Takoyakii.2146:

Now I want 1st person SAB

ikr, first thing I thought of.

Not sure if 1st person would make SAB easier or harder, but I’ll definitely replay all jp’s on 1st person and SAB would also be on the list for that – if Anet brings it back that is.

Tell Moto… My body is ready…..

But they are not ready yet!….

17:10

They’re never ready.

I’ll believe SAB when it’s actually in the game, again.

Til then, it’s nothing but smoke.

Kudos to Joe on getting an interview, though.

I cannot stand this guy that is interviewing Colin.

Nothing has really changed regarding SAB.
It will return whenever they have time to work on it, or more specifically when priorities allow it.