All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.
This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.
By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.
I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.
For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.
That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.
Of course, you could have spent half that time in PvP, which would completely change what you’re saying. Or standing around in LA. Or in low level zones (since exotics didn’t drop their until January (as far as I know).
How many hours doesn’t tell me anything.
Stand back, Vayne, I got this.
2000 hours is a small sample size compared to the vast amount of hours put in by everyone who isn’t you.
I too would agree that it’s likely impossible for accounts to have flat out better or worse loot than other accounts. It’s completely possible to have a really long bad (or good) luck streak though.
Perma-DR on an account would have a been a massive bug and would have received the attention of devs early and loudly. The fact that perma-DR is still getting lip service is a reminder that some people really do think the world is against them.
“I didn’t buy into GW2 being the second coming of christ.
I just wanted a AAA MMO with no sub made by ArenaNet. And it’s awesome.”
All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.
This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.
By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.
I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.
For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.
That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.
Of course, you could have spent half that time in PvP, which would completely change what you’re saying. Or standing around in LA. Or in low level zones (since exotics didn’t drop their until January (as far as I know).
How many hours doesn’t tell me anything.
Stand back, Vayne, I got this.
2000 hours is a small sample size compared to the vast amount of hours put in by everyone who isn’t you.
I too would agree that it’s likely impossible for accounts to have flat out better or worse loot than other accounts. It’s completely possible to have a really long bad (or good) luck streak though.
Perma-DR on an account would have a been a massive bug and would have received the attention of devs early and loudly. The fact that perma-DR is still getting lip service is a reminder that some people really do think the world is against them.
As I said, there was already an example in this game that was a per account issue.
And exactly that is the issue. This game has a backstory when it comes to issues in that regard. Opening this door once opens the possibility of all sorts of per account issues.
And a per account issue does not exactly mean, that my account is a “no-luck” account. It could be the exact opposite of certain accounts gaining a bonus for no reason whatsoever.
Perma-DR on an account would have a been a massive bug and would have received the attention of devs early and loudly. The fact that perma-DR is still getting lip service is a reminder that some people really do think the world is against them.
If there was any real evidence that this was going on – see salvage kit bug – this would have already been investigated and solved. What is happening is that some people think they should be rewarded with valuable loot for every kill, which simply doesn’t happen.
I wander the zones and kill dozens of mobs before finding a single green item, but I don’t complain that it’s DR, it’s just the way the loot system works. You get more vendor trash than whites, more whites than blues, more blues than greens, more greens than yellows and occasionally you get an orange.
Yeah… they have no history of denying a loot drop bug and then MONTHS later finally owning up to finding an ‘issue’ where everyone was not getting the loot they were entitled to.
As a matter of fact… I do believe the devs referred to that as “an X-File level conspiracy” long before actually discovering the problem. What an insult to the player base that was.
Yeah… they have no history of denying a loot drop bug and then MONTHS later finally owning up to finding an ‘issue’ where everyone was not getting the loot they were entitled to.
As a matter of fact… I do believe the devs referred to that as “an X-File level conspiracy” long before actually discovering the problem. What an insult to the player base that was.
And they were honorable enough to admit they were wrong. The next time someone posted real evidence that there was a problem, it was immediately picked up and investigated, and the bug was fixed in a day or so.
It’s called learning from your mistakes. So when people keep crying “DR bug! Loot bug!” without posting evidence and no dev comes in to say “we are investigating this issue” then it leads me to think that there is no issue to investigate.
All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.
This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.
By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.
I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.
For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.
That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.
I’ve personally had 7 drop the entire gameplay time. (not sure what it is because I’m heading to lunch) but needless to say the sample size is big when you loot everything you kill in the game per hour not missing a single thing. I agree, they can’t argue against that many hours and actually sound sane.
All things are not equal in the loot system, all people are not getting the chance for good drops, some people are stuck in a perpetual low drop 98% of the time situation so you can argue until you’re blue that there’s nothing wrong, but until everyone has equal chances at the loot there will still be a problem. That’s not what’s happening in this game I repeat loot chances are not equal in this game.
This is the only myth I can see concerning loot drops.
By this logic, I should be angry that there are people who are 98% of the time getting better loot than everyone else.
I would argue that it is actually impossible that there are accounts which have plain worse/better chances at getting rare loot… but let’s be honest it seems like a possibility when we all remember back at release.
There was a problem with some accounts not getting any WvW boni. That was an issue on a per account base. Why shouldn’t there be a related bug regarding loot.
For example, I have a char with 200% magic find. I can tell you that I found in total 9 exotics in over 2000 hours of gametime.
That doesn’t sound normal to me. And please don’t come up with stuff like, oh your samplesize is too low. It is 2000+ hours, that isn’t exactly low.
I’ve personally had 7 drop the entire gameplay time. (not sure what it is because I’m heading to lunch) but needless to say the sample size is big when you loot everything you kill in the game per hour not missing a single thing. I agree, they can’t argue against that many hours and actually sound sane.
I’ve gotten six or seven exotics total and I’ve been playing since two weeks after launch. Oh no! I’ve caught the DR bug!
Yeah… they have no history of denying a loot drop bug and then MONTHS later finally owning up to finding an ‘issue’ where everyone was not getting the loot they were entitled to.
As a matter of fact… I do believe the devs referred to that as “an X-File level conspiracy” long before actually discovering the problem. What an insult to the player base that was.
And they were honorable enough to admit they were wrong. The next time someone posted real evidence that there was a problem, it was immediately picked up and investigated, and the bug was fixed in a day or so.
It’s called learning from your mistakes. So when people keep crying “DR bug! Loot bug!” without posting evidence and no dev comes in to say “we are investigating this issue” then it leads me to think that there is no issue to investigate.
Disagree? Prove it.
Actually they mentioned nothing about calling players names and it was quickly swept under the rug. They just said there was a bug and they fixed it. Emotionless and quick to keep it from being a further issue. That was after almost 6 months of us complaining.
There’s plenty of evidence for this issue, I’ve been posting mine off and on since November when this all began, just because people want to use the strawman argument that people want something for nothing does not remove the evidence on the other side of the coin either where some players get everything all the time in the same events in the same party doing the same things monthly. That’s evidence enough that it’s not randomized, and no amount of cognitive dissonance is ever going to change that fact.
This doesn’t happen in any other mmo btw It’s not a matter of some electronic representation of luck, because that’s not reality. If this were a luck issue, it would happen to me in the three other game titles I play but it never does which means it’s in this game alone.
So the sooner they check the algorithm the sooner we’ll all shuddup until the next bug comes along, but that’s not happening. so. (as far as I know) so they are redoing some aspects of the rewards system to see if that helps. I hope it does.
I guess the salvage bug thing being fixed within 48 hrs was just a dream, then.
Also: you’ve never posted any proof that anything is wrong. Your only screenshots about it were pretty much the same as what I see when I play the game. Likewise your number of exotic drops. They’re supposed to be very rare drops. No problems there.
Yeah… they have no history of denying a loot drop bug and then MONTHS later finally owning up to finding an ‘issue’ where everyone was not getting the loot they were entitled to.
As a matter of fact… I do believe the devs referred to that as “an X-File level conspiracy” long before actually discovering the problem. What an insult to the player base that was.
And they were honorable enough to admit they were wrong. The next time someone posted real evidence that there was a problem, it was immediately picked up and investigated, and the bug was fixed in a day or so.
It’s called learning from your mistakes. So when people keep crying “DR bug! Loot bug!” without posting evidence and no dev comes in to say “we are investigating this issue” then it leads me to think that there is no issue to investigate.
Disagree? Prove it.
You keep on doing that. No posts by a dev means no problem. Right.
Just like the Engineer scope bug that was reported for MONTHS. Then, when a dev finally posts about it, it is to simply state there is nothing wrong with it but the players just don’t understand how underwhelming it is. After some MORE documented evidence of the bug, it was finally acknowledged and then fixed.
I don’t know HOW many times it was documented and proved, but the only response after months was that the players were wrong and didn’t understand it. The devs were actually clueless to the issue.
But you keep on believing that no Dev posts about looking into an issue than no issue exists. Their track record is not very good, in my book.
But you keep on believing that is no Dev posts about looking into an issue than no issue exists. Their track record is not very good, in my book.
Several people post evidence that there is a problem with salvage rates. A dev posts that they are looking into it. He comes back to thank everyone for their efforts and says the bug has been fixed. People get free salvage kits to replace the bugged salvages.
This is not my imagination. This is the system working the right way. After the embarrassment of calling out people for posting conspiracy theories when it turned out there really was a problem, Anet cannot afford to ignore proof that there is a problem.
The thing is, actually posting conspiracy theories without backing them up with evidence will still get laughed at and dismissed.
They DID look into the salvage bug and the DID fix it. No one is arguing that.
But they are STILL ignoring bugs that are being documented by players. Just because they do not acknowledge them or investigate them does not mean they don’t exist.
The engineer scope bug was just fixed about two patches ago I believe. That information had to be forced down their throats before they would even start to believe it was broken.
But you keep on believing that is no Dev posts about looking into an issue than no issue exists. Their track record is not very good, in my book.
Several people post evidence that there is a problem with salvage rates. A dev posts that they are looking into it. He comes back to thank everyone for their efforts and says the bug has been fixed. People get free salvage kits to replace the bugged salvages.
This is not my imagination. This is the system working the right way. After the embarrassment of calling out people for posting conspiracy theories when it turned out there really was a problem, Anet cannot afford to ignore proof that there is a problem.
The thing is, actually posting conspiracy theories without backing them up with evidence will still get laughed at and dismissed.
Sooo I guess you missed all of the posts lately about the evidence from both sides that have shown that the same people get the same amount of great loot all the time with no randomness while the same people who usually get nothing still get nothing while both sets are playing the same events on a weekly basis.
Saying there is no evidence and there not being any evidence is one thing but ignoring evidence and claiming it’s not there is not evidence that everything is working properly it’s evidence that someone isn’t paying attention. There’s been multiple posts about this.
I have two sets of armor for my 80s, one with about +100% MF (explorer stats and Pirate runes, etc.) and one with no MF. It feels like when I do the “big chest” meta-events with MF gear on that I get more yellows and greens than blues from the chests. And if feels like the opposite happens when I don’t wear the MF gear. But I can’t prove it.
This is what I see happening here… you think you should get more valuable loot than you do, but it’s just a feeling, not something you can prove. If there were a bug then it would be showing up throughout the system and people could post results and compare with others to say, this shouldn’t be happening. Then the devs step in and investigate.
But they aren’t going to investigate your feelings.
But you keep on believing that is no Dev posts about looking into an issue than no issue exists. Their track record is not very good, in my book.
Several people post evidence that there is a problem with salvage rates. A dev posts that they are looking into it. He comes back to thank everyone for their efforts and says the bug has been fixed. People get free salvage kits to replace the bugged salvages.
This is not my imagination. This is the system working the right way. After the embarrassment of calling out people for posting conspiracy theories when it turned out there really was a problem, Anet cannot afford to ignore proof that there is a problem.
The thing is, actually posting conspiracy theories without backing them up with evidence will still get laughed at and dismissed.
Sooo I guess you missed all of the posts lately about the evidence from both sides that have shown that the same people get the same amount of great loot all the time with no randomness while the same people who usually get nothing still get nothing while both sets are playing the same events on a weekly basis.
Saying there is no evidence and there not being any evidence is one thing but ignoring evidence and claiming it’s not there is not evidence that everything is working properly it’s evidence that someone isn’t paying attention. There’s been multiple posts about this.
You know what, I’ve read your posts about loots drops for months now, and at this point, livestream / FRAPS or it didn’t happen.
“I didn’t buy into GW2 being the second coming of christ.
I just wanted a AAA MMO with no sub made by ArenaNet. And it’s awesome.”
“I didn’t get no loot, cross my heart,” is not proof.
What screenshots and videos? No-one has mentioned any.
See now I know you haven’t been paying attention because I posted screenies in one of the threads about it a while back. That particular thread was also filled with other people’s responses with their screenies and with videos of their own of both the gameplay and the end results. So please feel free to check again there bud instead of falsely calling people liars. Thanks.
“I didn’t get no loot, cross my heart,” is not proof.
What screenshots and videos? No-one has mentioned any.
See now I know you haven’t been paying attention because I posted screenies in one of the threads about it a while back. That particular thread was also filled with other people’s responses with their screenies and with videos of their own of both the gameplay and the end results. So please feel free to check again there bud instead of falsely calling people liars. Thanks.
I responded in that thread when you did – the results were not unusual. In fact your results were pretty much the same as what I see when I play the game.
“I didn’t get no loot, cross my heart,” is not proof.
What screenshots and videos? No-one has mentioned any.
See now I know you haven’t been paying attention because I posted screenies in one of the threads about it a while back. That particular thread was also filled with other people’s responses with their screenies and with videos of their own of both the gameplay and the end results. So please feel free to check again there bud instead of falsely calling people liars. Thanks.
I responded in that thread when you did – the results were not unusual. In fact your results were pretty much the same as what I see when I play the game.
There’s nothing going on here.
Just like when they found the bug for the killcredit and for the ecto salvage rates with anecdotal data. All we’re asking for is a thorough check into a possible Wi Flag style bug with their loot algorithm it’s not an irrational request, in fact there seems to be a growing precedent which should worry anyone, especially them.
And we’re only reporting it because we care about the game. Do you really think people would bother if they ragequit already? I wouldn’t I’m here because I like the game and I want to see it get better.
You’ve been going on about this for months, and even said near the beginning that you contacted support about it. If you had ANY actual proof, then it would have already been looked into. It didn’t take six months for them to look into the ecto salvage bug because people posted PROOF that there was a problem. Here the only thing that happens is that people FEEL like they should be rewarded with more stuff, and FEEL like other players get more stuff than they do. It doesn’t actually happen that way, or you would be able to compare results and they’d look into it.
Anet has records of everything in the game, and if they believed there was a problem they could easily search those records, for example, to see if some people received a remarkably greater number of exotic drops without MF gear. You’ve been trying to convince them – and us – of this for months and you just haven’t been able to post anything that proves your statements.
idk. i hear the cries for loot, but honestly i don’t play games for loot. i play them if i enjoy them and then loot is a happy byproduct. if this game is fun, but you seriously feel loot is an issue, does it matter all that much? heck, in gw1 i used to buy inscribable blues that were req. 8 for way cheaper than the gold ones but had the same stats. people are willing to pay more money for things that have different font color in the title. it’s nuts. i know in this game, the stats are actually better, but if it’s about loot, why then isn’t it about getting loot in rl? why waste your time searching out loot that isn’t real?
Leader of The Guernsey Milking Coalition [MiLk] Sanctum of Rall
