Guild Wars 2

If they make Tengu a new playable race which seems logical. It also seems logical to make a Samurai class or something like it, it will most likely be a heavy armor class. Cantha had Samurai (not playable class) and Tengu are from Cantha, so I guess Samurai makes most sence.

What does samurai give that warrior (for the more mundane form) and guardian (for a more mystical version) do not?

Cantha actually didn’t have samurai, but warriors who used Asian-themed armour and Asian-themed weapons. As illustration, searching the GW1 wiki reveals no in-game instances of the term. A samurai is essentially a warrior who stems from the nobility – who probably has better equipment and training than a common soldier, but is still a warrior nonetheless.

The proposal breaks two of the rules for ArenaNet’s profession philosophy:

1) It’s essentially a variation of an existing profession. ArenaNet has stated that they are only likely to introduce a new profession if it has a playstyle as distinct from existing professions as they are from each other. (Not in those exact words – this was nearly a decade ago now – but that was the message.)

2) It’s a profession that only fits one race, since what distinguishes it from other soldiers is essentially cultural, and the other races don’t have a samurai culture.

I can see tengu-themed heavy armour being samurai-themed, but a samurai profession per se is highly unlikely.

There is the potential for tengu to introduce a new profession to Tyria – possibly something involving ritualism, if the lore behind that form of magic can be used for mechanics that are distinct from the engineer – but it’s likely to be no more strongly tied to tengu than guardians for humans and engineers for charr. Namely, that it arose from a particular culture, but there are no elements to it that mean that it’s specific to that culture.

I honestly would rather see more content involving races like tengu, kodan etc. Would really love to see inside the Dominion of Winds. I dont mind tengu not being a playable race because the novelty will wear off quickly, Id rather see them more involved with the story and lore.

draxynnic.3719:

What does samurai give that warrior (for the more mundane form) and guardian (for a more mystical version) do not?

Cantha actually didn’t have samurai, but warriors who used Asian-themed armour and Asian-themed weapons. As illustration, searching the GW1 wiki reveals no in-game instances of the term. A samurai is essentially a warrior who stems from the nobility – who probably has better equipment and training than a common soldier, but is still a warrior nonetheless.

The proposal breaks two of the rules for ArenaNet’s profession philosophy:

1) It’s essentially a variation of an existing profession. ArenaNet has stated that they are only likely to introduce a new profession if it has a playstyle as distinct from existing professions as they are from each other. (Not in those exact words – this was nearly a decade ago now – but that was the message.)

2) It’s a profession that only fits one race, since what distinguishes it from other soldiers is essentially cultural, and the other races don’t have a samurai culture.

I can see tengu-themed heavy armour being samurai-themed, but a samurai profession per se is highly unlikely.

There is the potential for tengu to introduce a new profession to Tyria – possibly something involving ritualism, if the lore behind that form of magic can be used for mechanics that are distinct from the engineer – but it’s likely to be no more strongly tied to tengu than guardians for humans and engineers for charr. Namely, that it arose from a particular culture, but there are no elements to it that mean that it’s specific to that culture.

It doesn’t have to be the standard samurai. It could be more of an assassin type of samurai with force techniques and spiritual attunement. I could see it being something like Dervish/Ritualist.

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

Zoid.2568:

It doesn’t have to be the standard samurai. It could be more of an assassin type of samurai with force techniques and spiritual attunement. I could see it being something like Dervish/Ritualist.

But what would it bring to the table that current classes do not?

X T D.6458:

I honestly would rather see more content involving races like tengu, kodan etc. Would really love to see inside the Dominion of Winds. I dont mind tengu not being a playable race because the novelty will wear off quickly, Id rather see them more involved with the story and lore.

Agreed. I don’t care for rolling another race, but having access to their lore and such would be pretty awesome

Zoid.2568:

It doesn’t have to be the standard samurai. It could be more of an assassin type of samurai with force techniques and spiritual attunement. I could see it being something like Dervish/Ritualist.

Then why call it a samurai when you can give it a name that doesn’t have cultural associations, and let all of the soldier professions be samurai tengu?

I tend to think more a warrior monk when i think Tengu.

But in my mind that’d just be a Guardian/theif with a quarterstaff.

Rather than the Tengu bringing in a new class altogether, because I certainly can’t think of one that isn’t too similar to the existing roles, how about Heart of Thorns expands on the existing ones.

E.G. Level 80 thief comes across a Tengu trainer, ‘grats you’re now an assassin, go play with your new pretty dagger skills.

Or the queen lady decides your 80 warrior has killed so many rabbits in tyria that you’ve earned a knighthood.

Something like that, only not… Ridiculous.

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

Nope I’m not interested in being a birdy either. In fact I can’t think of any race beyond what we have that I would care to play. I would much prefer anet not adding another race because to me it would be a huge waste of resources.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

Nope I’m not interested in being a birdy either. In fact I can’t think of any race beyond what we have that I would care to play. I would much prefer anet not adding another race because to me it would be a huge waste of resources.

I want a class… and if they really wanted more customization for the races we have, but yea a new race is a waste.

They gave us Asuran / Norn / Sylvari as playable races as none were available to play in guild wars 1 so I highly doubt the’ll be any new playable races just yet though if they did
the Tengu / Largos / Kodan / Skritt / oOOoooOOoo Quaggan as a playable race could be a possibility
personally id rather see more combat skills added to the game than a new character race but that would be a nightmare to code into the game and balance

I’m sure the Developers will come up with something to surprise us in the future until then we can’t all have what we want now can we? so who knows

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

<— You are not alone.

I have posted the post I wrote below to all the “new race threads” out there to tell you all it is not going to happen, please read below and provide arguments HOW they could possibly add Tengu if you can think of any that makes sence compared to mine:

“Hi, speaking of adding new races, don’t you think it will be weird if they add lets say Tengu? I think it is impossible, I mean the whole personal story is based around the five current playable races so Tengu players would feel very left out of the gang, especially the Pact. There is also a dilemma whether they would get their own personal story or simply adapted into the old one in some way: if they get their own, the living story will be messed up, as they won’t be familiar with the pact commander title they are supposed to have earned in the original personal story and so on. Basically all events of the personal story is tied to the living world s1 and s2 in one way or another so if that is going to work out they will need to merge the tengu into the original personal story somehow? And I find that very weird and unlikely. It would also make no sence if they just had their own new little personal story that tied directly to HoT or even the living world, as that would make HoT confusing for new player tengus who then missed out on the original personal story and living world s1 and s2 so they would not get the same context to HoT.
The only way I can think of to add another race to GW2 is basically through another campaign, as that would come with a brand new story for all races anyway. But I don’t think HoT is that, so as far as I can tell, it is IMPOSSIBLE to add more races to Tyria right now. Thoughts?”

Moldur.6275:

Thoughts?"

Well, they could make the personal story for a new race pick up from where the Living Story is right now, and have you follow a different path up to current events. Eventually that path will become outdated, but that’s already happened to the personal story for all current races, so that’s not really an issue.

If a new race decided to join the fight, I’m sure a member of it would be able to quickly earn the rank of Pact Commander (given current LS events). So, the rank there isn’t an issue. Getting to know the other characters in the LS, however, is. I’m sure they could be introduced in the race’s PS, or they might simply hand-wave a bit and run with it. Not the best solution, but hardly the biggest plot hole ANet has handed us.

And as for the confusion of those that start as a Tengu/whatever and are dumped into events without the build-up? It’s no worse than those that start playing now and go from the end of the Personal Story (if they even do that), and into the end of Season 2. (That would be one incredible jump in plot, very confusing.) With the game always moving forward, there’s going to be a need to catch up on what you’ve missed, new race or not, for new players.

Edit: Not saying that I expect Tengu in HoT, or any other race. Just saying that the plotline problems are not insurmountable.

Palador.2170:

Moldur.6275:

Thoughts?"

Just saying that the plotline problems are not insurmountable.

I do believe they are actually. Introducing a new race and bam they’re pact commander and starts @ the events that took 2 ½ years to accumulate, would be very bad writing. No matter how well-adapted they make such a story for the tengu, it will not by far compensate and replace personal story and living world progression up to this date. And to come up with a completely “tengu version” of the events from release until today would really divide the community, they cannot change the past to that extent. Anet would never ever give us a new race with story gaps from the beginning.

I do agree that new players in general are facing kind of the same issue with the absence of living world season 1, but I think it is safe to assume that Anet will reintroduce it with HoT, although it might be modified to be more solo-friendly.

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

Nope. I want Skritt. I Miss my EQ2 Ratonga.

None of that was logical.

Moldur.6275:

Palador.2170:

Moldur.6275:

Thoughts?"

Just saying that the plotline problems are not insurmountable.

I do believe they are actually.

Oh come on! You’re not even trying, are you?

Me thinking creatively, although I’m not super sufficient with gw lore (and I’m not some fanatic that must have Tengu, I just think they are neat and would be something new compared to the race spread available to the MMORPG scape in general), but I can see several possible routes to take with the Tengu personal story:

1. In the meantime. . . basically, the story telling what the Tengu were doing while the pact were fighting. Maybe they knew more about Mordremoth than we did and were performing actions to suppress the dragon or perhaps using another dragons power to fight another. Could have been in-fighting or something. Basically, the story leads up to why the Tengu did not directly provide aid and leads to the living world story.

2. Lone Hero. . . The beginning of the story can tell why your main Tengu hero breaks the mold and joins the pact where few other Tengu had. He might get in trouble with his clan and forced out into another clan who want to fight Zhaitan. This idea is for those who cannot fathom progressing the personal story to reflect the current world.

3. The Living World. . . Someone mentioned not even having a personal story at all! Just make a chapter of living story that introduces and develops a Tengu hero that joins the new DE group. If you need to, make a few Tengu specific missions where you and this new Tengu hero fight together. Basically, Tengu “personal story” would start in this chapter along with others who continue the living story from the beginning.

There’s other ways if you’re familiar with the lore, but it’s far from impossible. That’s more of a ludicrous notion, to think it can’t be done. Heck, the devs could go out of their way to update all the personal stories of all races to reflect the changes of the world if they are so inclined to do that much work. Difficult is not insurmountable.

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

Moldur.6275:

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

<— You are not alone.

<—- Utterly disinterested in playing BigBird as well

Leo G.4501:

Moldur.6275:

Palador.2170:

Moldur.6275:

Thoughts?"

Just saying that the plotline problems are not insurmountable.

I do believe they are actually.

Oh come on! You’re not even trying, are you?

Me thinking creatively, although I’m not super sufficient with gw lore (and I’m not some fanatic that must have Tengu, I just think they are neat and would be something new compared to the race spread available to the MMORPG scape in general), but I can see several possible routes to take with the Tengu personal story:

1. In the meantime. . . basically, the story telling what the Tengu were doing while the pact were fighting. Maybe they knew more about Mordremoth than we did and were performing actions to suppress the dragon or perhaps using another dragons power to fight another. Could have been in-fighting or something. Basically, the story leads up to why the Tengu did not directly provide aid and leads to the living world story.

2. Lone Hero. . . The beginning of the story can tell why your main Tengu hero breaks the mold and joins the pact where few other Tengu had. He might get in trouble with his clan and forced out into another clan who want to fight Zhaitan. This idea is for those who cannot fathom progressing the personal story to reflect the current world.

3. The Living World. . . Someone mentioned not even having a personal story at all! Just make a chapter of living story that introduces and develops a Tengu hero that joins the new DE group. If you need to, make a few Tengu specific missions where you and this new Tengu hero fight together. Basically, Tengu “personal story” would start in this chapter along with others who continue the living story from the beginning.

There’s other ways if you’re familiar with the lore, but it’s far from impossible. That’s more of a ludicrous notion, to think it can’t be done. Heck, the devs could go out of their way to update all the personal stories of all races to reflect the changes of the world if they are so inclined to do that much work. Difficult is not insurmountable.

That was very naive, considering you did not solve any of the problems I described. To begin with: You did not solve how this new player to the game would get to know about everything from the original personal story (which is the foundation for the continuing living world), to name a few: (who is trahearne, the pale tree, zhaitan, why is there no tengu in destinys edge). New tengu players would find it odd that they are not even part of the living world so far, yet they emerge from their capital and takes command of the pact just like that.
And if the tengu were not introduced to the original personal story, what would they think of orr? A random wasteland being a wasteland for a random reason?
And what about that spine in the durmand priory, is that just for esthetical pleasure?
And every single character in the story so far, would be presented as someone familiar, yet unfamiliar to a new tengu player.

Mentioned above is a fraction of what you can see turned out to be quite a few obstacles to overcome before a new race can be added.

Moldur.6275:

That was very naive, considering you did not solve any of the problems I described. To begin with: You did not solve how this new player to the game would get to know about everything from the original personal story (which is the foundation for the continuing living world), to name a few: (who is trahearne, the pale tree, zhaitan, why is there no tengu in destinys edge). New tengu players would find it odd that they are not even part of the living world so far, yet they emerge from their capital and takes command of the pact just like that.
And if the tengu were not introduced to the original personal story, what would they think of orr? A random wasteland being a wasteland for a random reason?
And what about that spine in the durmand priory, is that just for esthetical pleasure?
And every single character in the story so far, would be presented as someone familiar, yet unfamiliar to a new tengu player.

Mentioned above is a fraction of what you can see turned out to be quite a few obstacles to overcome before a new race can be added.

A Tengu personal story would logically cover all that. It would be easy to write the story with the assumption that your character doesn’t know all that, so the story covers them finding out all these bits of information as they go along and rise in the ranks of an order, then the Pact.

The Pact is in pretty bad shape right now. If a new soldier from any race showed up and started getting amazing results, they’d shoot up in rank quickly. They wouldn’t be THE (first) Commander, but they’d eventually make the rank of Commander by the end of their personal story.

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

personally I would love to see the tengu as a playable race, vulture looking toon FTW!!! and also asian inspired armor and weapons. for the purpose of actually adding to the gameplay I would prefer new skills for existing weapons or adding more functionality to existing skills.

Palador.2170:

Moldur.6275:

That was very naive, considering you did not solve any of the problems I described. To begin with: You did not solve how this new player to the game would get to know about everything from the original personal story (which is the foundation for the continuing living world), to name a few: (who is trahearne, the pale tree, zhaitan, why is there no tengu in destinys edge). New tengu players would find it odd that they are not even part of the living world so far, yet they emerge from their capital and takes command of the pact just like that.
And if the tengu were not introduced to the original personal story, what would they think of orr? A random wasteland being a wasteland for a random reason?
And what about that spine in the durmand priory, is that just for esthetical pleasure?
And every single character in the story so far, would be presented as someone familiar, yet unfamiliar to a new tengu player.

Mentioned above is a fraction of what you can see turned out to be quite a few obstacles to overcome before a new race can be added.

A Tengu personal story would logically cover all that. It would be easy to write the story with the assumption that your character doesn’t know all that, so the story covers them finding out all these bits of information as they go along and rise in the ranks of an order, then the Pact.

The Pact is in pretty bad shape right now. If a new soldier from any race showed up and started getting amazing results, they’d shoot up in rank quickly. They wouldn’t be THE (first) Commander, but they’d eventually make the rank of Commander by the end of their personal story.

If you are suggesting making a story the size of the original personal story for the sake of a new race, I’m sorry but if that’s happening I think we might have bigger issues than the fact that the first ones wouldn’t even be solved. You cannot simply add tengu to the current story, it is not possible in this campaign. There is no way else than breaking 2 ½ years of built up story.

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

Not everyone enjoys the things you listed either. I’d rather have Tengu as a playable race over things like new dungeons, PvP updates, and LS.

On topic; If Tengu eventually become a playable race I hope they keep their running animation from GW1.

Moldur.6275:

If you are suggesting making a story the size of the original personal story for the sake of a new race, I’m sorry but if that’s happening I think we might have bigger issues than the fact that the first ones wouldn’t even be solved. You cannot simply add tengu to the current story, it is not possible in this campaign. There is no way else than breaking 2 ½ years of built up story.

I’m curious as to why you say that. Care to explain why they couldn’t have a full personal story for a new race?

Moldur.6275:

That was very naive, considering you did not solve any of the problems I described.

I don’t think you’re using the word naive correctly. I like to think open-mindedly.

Moldur.6275:

To begin with: You did not solve how this new player to the game would get to know about everything from the original personal story (which is the foundation for the continuing living world), to name a few: (who is trahearne, the pale tree, zhaitan, why is there no tengu in destinys edge).

That is sort of a problem with the Living Story regardless of race, at least in regards to the “new player of the game” perspective. Or are you not talking about said new player jumping into the living world story from current rather than the beginning.

If you’re talking about the main character learning about Trahearn, Zhaitan, etc., that could be covered by #2. If not, it’s not impossible to fathom the Tengu personal story being crafted to mention/interact with these things. I mean, come on, those story points aren’t exactly obscure.

Moldur.6275:

New tengu players would find it odd that they are not even part of the living world so far, yet they emerge from their capital and takes command of the pact just like that.

If we use #1 or #3, being commander of the Pact could simply go unmentioned or special dialog crafted when such is mentioned. How often do story NPCs make a huge deal of you being 2nd in command of the pact? It shouldn’t be technically infeasible to program such, and if they do, they can spread this to characters who did not do/finish the personal story.

Moldur.6275:

And if the tengu were not introduced to the original personal story, what would they think of orr? A random wasteland being a wasteland for a random reason?
And what about that spine in the durmand priory, is that just for esthetical pleasure?
And every single character in the story so far, would be presented as someone familiar, yet unfamiliar to a new tengu player.

Um, it’s not like the problems in Orr are some sort of secret. If anything, the Tengu know of the death and destruction brought about by Zhaitan and intentionally closed themselves off so not to have to face it. A Tengu out of the dominion isn’t going to waltz through Orr and be like “well what the crap happened here? this is random…”.

Moldur.6275:

Mentioned above is a fraction of what you can see turned out to be quite a few obstacles to overcome before a new race can be added.

Well that could be an issue. Not particularly what you brought up, but the issue of joining a faction. Logically, there shouldn’t be factions (Priory, Order, Vigil) since they should only exist as the Pact. How would a Tengu join a particular order in this case?

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

It kinda sorta is hypocritical. I mean, people won’t find what you desire to be as important, they’d be kind of hypocritical to claim what is important to you is important to everyone when you’re practically saying people’s opinions and preferences differ…then finishing by denouncing those opinions and replacing their preferences with your own.

Moldur.6275:

If you are suggesting making a story the size of the original personal story for the sake of a new race, I’m sorry but if that’s happening I think we might have bigger issues than the fact that the first ones wouldn’t even be solved. You cannot simply add tengu to the current story, it is not possible in this campaign. There is no way else than breaking 2 ½ years of built up story.

That’s #2 in my post, if one must. The other simple option is to skip to current (or the beginning of Living Story) to create a starting point. Pretty much the beginning of the personal story leading up to joining a faction is rather unconnected anyhow so you could fill that with whatever.

Leo G.4501:

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The problem you arent understanding is there is no logical way to introduce a race such as Tengu. They would have no part of the current PS (and any suggestion asking for that to change can/will be met with derision), have had no part in the living story aside from the events in LA, and nothing that has happened so far would even bring teh tengu race into the mix of other races, even the Orders. The tengu “scrub story” would at best be the first few starting missions where the player is relating to decisions made during character creation.

And that’s still disregarding why the tengu would suddenly up and leave their Domain. Mordremoth? Pfft, they could care less about that than they did zhaitan.

Y’know, the original personal story has been borked since the destruction of Lion’s Arch. Maybe they’re planning to make a new one that’s available for all new characters, both new and old races and professions – with characters that could not be made on release only able to go through the new one.

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

You’re not alone. I have absolutely no interest in them either.

Aidan Savage.2078:

And that’s still disregarding why the tengu would suddenly up and leave their Domain. Mordremoth? Pfft, they could care less about that than they did zhaitan.

That’s actually an easy one to address.

Maybe Primordus’s destroyers have been pressing into the DoW harder, lately, and they’ve realized that they can’t stand alone forever. Or maybe some of Mordermoth’s vines went under the wall and attacked? They kept the Fallen out with the walls, but there’s at least two dragons that have active minions in the area that can bypass that wall.

Aside from that, it can actually follow the same basic structure as the other races’ personal stories. First two arcs cover choices made during creation, third centers on stepping out into the larger world and aligning with an order. There are Tengu outside of the wall, and at least one was involved with the Pact already (Izu Steelshrike, one of the craftsman recruited by Trahearne in “Forging the Pact”). It’s not unreasonable to think that they can bring back word of events, and set in motion your leaving to enter the world at large.

Again, not saying that I expect HoT to have any new races, much less Tengu. I’m just saying that they could make the plot fit, if they wanted to.

There’s Fuji Shadowbane in the Vigil as well.

There are a few points people seem to be glossing over. First off, there is zero reason why the Tengu would not know what is going on or has gone on in the storyline. There are multiple Tengu in various places around the current landscape. Merchants for the most part and there are even heart quests and events tied to them. I forget which zone, but it’s one of the early ones.

Second, During the personal story when you go to Concordia you enlist the help of a Tengu weaponsmith to work for the newly formed pact.

Third, (spoiler ahead so if you have not done current LS don’t read) We have no idea what has become of the pact after the major stomping they got when they attacked Mordy. It is very possible the pact in the form we know, no longer exists. So current characters will probably have to deal with that issue as well. To say nothing about the fact that Trahearne and some PCs are Sylvari.

Fourth, If any new race were introduced, their back story would have to be told during current events as sort of a recap of what has gone on since game start. Then leading in to the next phase of the story (Heart of Thorns.) If you remember, the first two major plots in the personal story are just that, personal. They have nothing to do with the pact or the orders. Winning the snaff prize, saving DR from bandits or rebuilding your warband or whatever. At the point in the progression where current characters would be introduced to the orders is where you would jump into the current story. The new race, instead of joining one of the orders, you would meet the Biconics instead. There is nothing stopping Anet from using different dialogue to fit a new race going forward. They already do that as it is, depending on race and sometimes class.

There are endless ways a new race could be brought up to speed using the context of the personal story, before transitioning into the living story. Any good writer could do it and Anet has some very amazing writers.

All that being said, I have mixed feelings about adding any new race. It would have to make sense in the context of the story moving forward. However, saying it can’t happen at all is just flat out not thinking creatively. Of course it can be done, it will just take some very creative writing.

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

It kinda sorta is hypocritical. I mean, people won’t find what you desire to be as important, they’d be kind of hypocritical to claim what is important to you is important to everyone when you’re practically saying people’s opinions and preferences differ…then finishing by denouncing those opinions and replacing their preferences with your own.

That’s not being hypocritical. That’s being convenient at most and I’m not replacing anyone’s preferences with my own, it’s a fact that game expansions are intended to add new content and not new characteristics to old content so children get on the hype train. If all you want in an expansion is being able to play as a Sesame Street character I really hope you can fulfill your dream.

NumenorLord.6539:

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

It kinda sorta is hypocritical. I mean, people won’t find what you desire to be as important, they’d be kind of hypocritical to claim what is important to you is important to everyone when you’re practically saying people’s opinions and preferences differ…then finishing by denouncing those opinions and replacing their preferences with your own.

That’s not being hypocritical. That’s being convenient at most and I’m not replacing anyone’s preferences with my own, it’s a fact that game expansions are intended to add new content and not new characteristics to old content so children get on the hype train. If all you want in an expansion is being able to play as a Sesame Street character I really hope you can fulfill your dream.

So you didn’t just attempt to replace someone’s preference in a topic by telling them to swing a forum thread off topic to focus on other content additions like dungeons, zones and the like despite that being against the rules (off-topic posts)?

At the very least, I find it hypocritical that you pretend to garner discussion but your actual goal is to stifle discussion by starting a flame war. You should probably start a thread to discuss the topics you’re interested in.

I personally would love to get playable Tengu. If ANet were to introduce a new race, it almost certainly would be them. They were originally slated to be a 6th playable race at launch, but got cut due to lack of time. They have a unique place in a lore, a distinct cultural feel separate from the other races, and have a ready-made location for their capital city in the Dominion of Winds. They also use the same skeleton as Charr, which means a lot of armor and weapon assets can be cribbed from them instead of being designed from scratch. Finally, Tengu also offer a lot of customisation options in terms of beaks, plumage, feather colours etc. They also have distinct differences between the sexes (female Tengu are bigger than males, but have drab plumage compared to the males).

A new profession is less likely, I feel. It’s hard to find a niche role that isn’t already filled by one of the existing professions. Samurai, for example, doesn’t really offer anything that a Warrior couldn’t already do. Just give your Warrior samurai-looking armor and Belinda’s Greatsword and there you go, you have a Samurai. Likewise, the missing GW1 professions like Monk, Ritualist and Dervish have all largely been merged into the GW2 professions (Monk+Paragon → Guardian, Dervish skills into the Human racial skills) or were completely replaced (The Ritualist, with its stationary spirits and bundle weapons, is basically replaced by the Engineer with their turrets and kits/bombs).

I think it’s also important to remember that those of us calling for Tengu (or other races) to become playable AREN’T saying that we don’t want new dungeons/zones etc. We’d like BOTH.

aspirine.6852:

I think I am the only one not interested playing as a big bird :/

What’s wrong with being a big bird?

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

It kinda sorta is hypocritical. I mean, people won’t find what you desire to be as important, they’d be kind of hypocritical to claim what is important to you is important to everyone when you’re practically saying people’s opinions and preferences differ…then finishing by denouncing those opinions and replacing their preferences with your own.

That’s not being hypocritical. That’s being convenient at most and I’m not replacing anyone’s preferences with my own, it’s a fact that game expansions are intended to add new content and not new characteristics to old content so children get on the hype train. If all you want in an expansion is being able to play as a Sesame Street character I really hope you can fulfill your dream.

So you didn’t just attempt to replace someone’s preference in a topic by telling them to swing a forum thread off topic to focus on other content additions like dungeons, zones and the like despite that being against the rules (off-topic posts)?

At the very least, I find it hypocritical that you pretend to garner discussion but your actual goal is to stifle discussion by starting a flame war. You should probably start a thread to discuss the topics you’re interested in.

I think you make too many assumptions and come to early conclusions. What I stated is related to the topic of the thread beacuse the main topic is about a change that might come with an expansion, and it’s a change that I don’t find as important as other changes that might take place, so I’m not breaking any rules. My interest is not starting a flame war but to express my opinion, something that I’m granted to do as a member of this community.

Forget tengu, just give us the centaurs from the Silverwastes to play as

wouldn’t a tengu be a charrs favorite snack ?

caveman.5840:

wouldn’t a tengu be a charrs favorite snack ?

ooh, a war between the tengu and charr would be fun, where can I donate my spare equipment to the tengu

Nyama.6931:

Forget tengu, just give us the centaurs from the Silverwastes to play as

They tried, but every time they tested them, the Caithe NPC kept bugging out and killing them.

((But seriously, huge armor and gear problems with them that would have to be worked out. They’d be tougher than adding Tengu AND Kodan together.))

NumenorLord.6539:

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

Leo G.4501:

NumenorLord.6539:

X T D.6458:

NumenorLord.6539:

Am I the only one around here…

Who doesn’t care about new races or classes as long as we have new areas, lore and dungeons?

I mean, seriuosly, a race will bring new esthetics, new cultural armor and new race elite skills (also new armor clipping and complaints)… It’s very hard that a new class gets me away from the 2 classes I love playing in PVE (Guardian and Warrior) and most of the ideas on the matter are weird or just dumb (no offense intended) so, why don’t we just get a second off the hype train and focus in what is really important for the game: Areas, dungeons, depth, new LS, new events, fixing bugs, maybe changes to WvW and SPvP.

You dont find that a tad hypocritical? The same reason you want more new content, is essentially the same reason some want new class/race. Because people find it fun to explore and try different things. Just because you dont find it appealing doesnt mean nobody else does.

No I don’t find it hypocritical. New class and race will add very little and won’t be enjoyed by everyone and also it also has the problems stated by someone else in this thread. An expansion is about new content (it expands the game). Races and classes might be part of the expansion but are not a priority. Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 1 race and 1 class and no new content.

It kinda sorta is hypocritical. I mean, people won’t find what you desire to be as important, they’d be kind of hypocritical to claim what is important to you is important to everyone when you’re practically saying people’s opinions and preferences differ…then finishing by denouncing those opinions and replacing their preferences with your own.

That’s not being hypocritical. That’s being convenient at most and I’m not replacing anyone’s preferences with my own, it’s a fact that game expansions are intended to add new content and not new characteristics to old content so children get on the hype train. If all you want in an expansion is being able to play as a Sesame Street character I really hope you can fulfill your dream.

So you didn’t just attempt to replace someone’s preference in a topic by telling them to swing a forum thread off topic to focus on other content additions like dungeons, zones and the like despite that being against the rules (off-topic posts)?

At the very least, I find it hypocritical that you pretend to garner discussion but your actual goal is to stifle discussion by starting a flame war. You should probably start a thread to discuss the topics you’re interested in.

I think you make too many assumptions and come to early conclusions. What I stated is related to the topic of the thread beacuse the main topic is about a change that might come with an expansion, and it’s a change that I don’t find as important as other changes that might take place, so I’m not breaking any rules. My interest is not starting a flame war but to express my opinion, something that I’m granted to do as a member of this community.

Hmm, are you sure you remembered what you typed? Many of your previous opinions, while valid, have negative undertones (some might even say down right mocking) toward a specific preference.

I may be jumping to conclusions but only to a similar degree to yourself. Perhaps you don’t recognize how your tone could be perceived? I find this a common problem these days although I’m not advocating some political-correctness agenda, but am often baffled when these people get surprised about the response such attitude elicits.

Perhaps you didn’t intend your opinion to be initially hypocritical but surely you could understand why someone would attribute that to your opinion? For the same reason you want specific content, others share the same reasons to include part of what you want (lore/story) yet deemed unimportant? Many people want Tengu not only for the looks but also the areas, new events, new stories, lore and depth (or did you not want those things?).

Perhaps your opinion simply was convenient and not hypocritical, although it also makes it ignorant as well since the reasons you feel oppose such a content update could be said about practically any additional content (Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 2 new dungeons and no new rewards…and yes I’m ignoring the fact the devs likely would never do that!).

So surely, you’re not being obtuse and ignoring facts while pressing your preferences and calling all of the Tengu fans children, are you?

And I think your previous “lol whatever” comment was much easier to reply to (in fact, I wasn’t going to say anything at all lol).

Leo G.4501:

I may be jumping to conclusions but only to a similar degree to yourself. Perhaps you don’t recognize how your tone could be perceived? I find this a common problem these days although I’m not advocating some political-correctness agenda, but am often baffled when these people get surprised about the response such attitude elicits.

Perhaps you didn’t intend your opinion to be initially hypocritical but surely you could understand why someone would attribute that to your opinion? For the same reason you want specific content, others share the same reasons to include part of what you want (lore/story) yet deemed unimportant? Many people want Tengu not only for the looks but also the areas, new events, new stories, lore and depth (or did you not want those things?).

Perhaps your opinion simply was convenient and not hypocritical, although it also makes it ignorant as well since the reasons you feel oppose such a content update could be said about practically any additional content (Imagine how kittened off everyone would be if we get only 2 new dungeons and no new rewards…and yes I’m ignoring the fact the devs likely would never do that!).

So surely, you’re not being obtuse and ignoring facts while pressing your preferences and calling all of the Tengu fans children, are you?

And I think your previous “lol whatever” comment was much easier to reply to (in fact, I wasn’t going to say anything at all lol).

Yeah previous comment was deleted by forum moderators but in fact expresses what I think this discussion has been led to. Just that I remember a korean game where all they added was a new class every year and everything else remained the same, hope this doesn’t happen here since there’s a lot more to do in an expansion. This week forums were filled with Tengu race threads don’t want the expansion to suck

On the other hand, I don’t think there’s a tone when you read (prehaps you were reading it in your own tone) and seriously the samurai idea doesn’t fit to Anet’s profession philosophy and is weird. Don’t think an opinion can be ignorant either, but I seriously think judging other’s opinions is (wich I didn’t do since all I said is "Am I the only one who is not excited with tengu).

I hope you can play with the bird (seriously, not being sarcastic) if that’s all you’re looking forward to. Grew tired of this gonna just play the game and wait for the weekend anouncement. Have fun lol.

Oh, there is a lot more to do. Even I would be disappointed if a new race were all the expansion had given we’ve had this huge build-up to Mordremoth. But I am fine with a mix, because it’s not all going to be new personal story for the Mordremoth campaign – I’m sure that would disappoint people too, because there’s just no variety in that.

The problem with variety is that most things are not appreciated by everyone (actually PS included: see PvP/WvW-only players), and what those things are will differ from one player to another. You don’t care about new races. I’m a bit “meh” about dungeons and fractals. A bunch of people are going to hate any jumping puzzles they add anywhere. But other people will love those things.

That being the case, I don’t believe “many people won’t care” is enough reason to not add races or professions unless virtually nobody cares, and that’s… probably not going to be happening yet unless they add something like dredge. And I still know people who would play a dredge.